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Talk:Alat (tribe)Please see my reply on the Talk:Alat page. I want to add that the Chinese Boma were mystifying generations of scholars, giving rise to most wild speculations, while the subject was wide open and exposed to the naked eye. The fate of that tribe could easily create a 2-pound monograph, but I know of no compilation specifically about them. Barefact (talk) 00:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC) QuoteHello. Could you please translate Atatürk's quote in this photo? Thank you. - Darwinek (talk) 22:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
![]() You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. ![]() You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. HotCat EditOn 20 January 2011 you changed the Date of Birth category on Süleyman Çelebi to 1410. According to the article he was born in 1377 and died in 1410. Was your error due to a problem with HotCat? How many other changes have you made such as that? JimCubb (talk) 21:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
peterwardein 1716hello nedim, do you have some sources from ottoman/turkish literature about battle at peterwaradien on 5th august 1716? nenad fortress.info"gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.2.185.142 (talk) 21:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
![]() You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. ![]() You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. ![]() You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Circassian Ottomans![]() user:Kansas Bearwe know he supported PKK and ASALA with his contributions. his edits like converting Turkish city and folkloric names to the Armenian just his style. is there any undergoing work to stop his anti-Turkish propaganda? --Cupcaker (talk) 16:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC) look here. he has banned. Are those the owners of Wikipedia? --Cupcaker (talk) 21:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC) D 400 karayolu'nun maddesi, açtığın Datça-Mersin yolu maddesi'nin içeriğini de kapsıyor. Az önce iki maddeyi de birleştirdim. Ayrıca, Antalyalı olarak ileride birkaç fotoğrafımı maddeye ekleyebilirim. OnurT 03:51, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Talk:Hunnic_languageDear Nedim, would you be interested to chip in on Hunnic phrase discussion at Talk:Hunnic_language, I believe that the citation of a number of imminent scholars on teconstruction of the Jie Huns phrase belongs to the Hunnic_language article, and the deletion is not warranted. As far as I know, the Hunnic phrase was successfully reconstructed only with the Turkic language, by a number of independent scholars, and its presence in the article undermines all other hypotheses. Maybe you can advise me how to better defend it. Barefact (talk) 06:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC) Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Architecture in Turkey![]() Turkic what?Is it Turkic migration or expansion? Many books use Turkic expansion. [1], here is the link for discussion: [2]. Kavas (talk) 18:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC) Infobox settlementHi! I responded on my talk page. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Campaigns of Suleiman IHi Nedim Ardoğa! As you may noted, I have expanded and renamed the article List of campaigns of Suleiman I, which you have created. I hope that you agree with most of my edits. I would like to have the article fully referenced with reliable sources, and your help would be appreciated. Especially since I don't understand Turkish language, and lots of good sources are in Turkish. Regards, Kebeta (talk) 12:20, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Veli Mahmud PashaHello! I've fixed my error at Veli Mahmud Pasha, and added some extra info. However, I also think the article ought to be moved to Mahmud Pasha Angelović per WP:COMMONNAME. Constantine ✍ 17:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC) women's library and information centre foundationHallo Nedim Ardoğa, I need help for article "the women's library and information centre foundation". I will try to add new references and sources for verification. I want to improve this article. Can you help me? Birsentalay (talk) 08:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC) women's library and information centre foundationHello, Thank you for your suggestions. I will try to do . How can I upload the logo and the photo of the library? I sent a mail to [email protected] for the visual materials. Is it sufficient or not? Again I need help. 178.233.6.209 (talk) 11:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Birsentalay" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.233.6.209 (talk) 11:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I need help for article "the women's library and information centre foundation". I will try to add new references and sources for verification. I want to improve this article. Can you help me? Birsentalay (talk) 08:54, 9 March 2011 (UTC) Hello, That's great!! I have some references about the library. I want to add these on the page. Is it OK? www.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-0424.00191/abstract muse.jhu.edu/journals/jmw/summary/v005/5.3.james.html www.highbeam.com/doc/162-344602874.html Thank you very very much for your help...Birsentalay (talk) 15:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC) NewArtBotSorry nothing to do with me I'm afraid. Alex (talk) 13:04, 15 March 2011 (UTC) ![]() You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Malta'ya gönderilen şehla Ahmet Paşaİyi günler, Türkçe Wiki'ye girme hakkım yok. O sebeple size buradan yazıyorum. Lütfen katkıda bulunhduğunuz Nişancı Şehla Hacı Ahmed Paşa maddesinin son haline bakınız. 1753 de ölen vezir 1919 da Malta'ya sürgüne gönderilmiş ! Selamlar Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 07:16, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
AttributionSeveral times I saw that the article created by me has been copied to another article. (For example whole text of Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant proposal has been copied from Büyükeceli , there are other examples as well.) I know that this is permitted in Wikipedia. But all the same the author(s) of the original article must be given credit per Copyright policy Although I warned the author no attribution has been made up to now. What should I do now ? Thanks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Ottoman diplomacyCategory:Ottoman diplomacy, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 15:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC) thanksThank you so much for adding my river in the template of turkish rivers (didn't know it was so important).--Sweetcorn (talk) 14:31, 28 March 2011 (UTC) Cumans/Volga TatarsDo you know anything about the Cumans or Volga Tatars? I am looking for other editors for a wider perspective on these two articles. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:25, 28 March 2011 (UTC) Tr.wiki mesajıMerhaba Nedim, En son Reality006 sana bir "oluşturduğunuz falan sayfa uyarısı göndermiş", Twinkle da bunu kullanıcı mesaj sayfadan kullanıcı sayfana giden yönlendirme ile karıştırmış nasıl yapmışsa. Ardından Reality'nin kendi kullanıcı sayfasını sildirmeye yönelik talebiyle sayfası silinince Twinkle yönlendirmeleri temizliyorum derken seninkini de silmiş. Bu silme işlemi ile ilgili bir mesaj geldi sanıyorum sana, şimdi gerekli düzeltmeleri yaptım. Sevgiler Vito Genovese 17:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC) Ottoman FamilySelam Nedim Bey I do not understand why the descendants of the Ottoman dynasty will be deleted, but the deposed European descendants are not deleted. I've posted resources that are not recognized. In Facebook, some princes and princesses, as well as relatives of the Ottoman dynasty to find. Dilek2 (talk) 14:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC) Canvassing on TenedosI can't help noticing that you've been canvassing on the aforementioned subject trying to influence the discussion. Please desist or you will be reported to the administrators' noticeboard. Thank you.--Anothroskon (talk) 07:40, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Datça Mersin highwayPlease participate in the discussion on Talk:State road D400 (Turkey) about this. Since both articles are clearly about the same exact road, we only need one article to cover this topic. In addition, I didn't just redirect it, I merged it over. All of the information is covered in the single article. You appear to be in a slow-moving edit war with with User:Ont, so you should not just revert the merger, but rather you should discuss why you feel that we need two articles. Until then, one article is sufficient. Imzadi 1979 → 08:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
TortumI have reverted the article about Tortum to a readable stub. Thanks ;)--Alperen (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2011 (UTC) CategoriesDear Nedim, I have noticed that WP does not have categories Turkic history, Turkic archeology, related to Turkic history subjects. Would you please initiate these categories, there is plenty of material in WP to categorize. Thank you, Barefact (talk) 09:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC) List of Ottoman battles in which Sultans participatedNedim, Thank you for you feedback on my edit of List of the Ottoman battles in which the sultan participated.
While I agree that a List-class would normally be the appropriate categorization of the the article in question, however as the Military History WikiProject uses a less orthodox assessment scale. Specifically, the project makes no distinction between lists and articles, rating them along the same scale. Assessments performed in this manner by the MILHIST project because the project sets a goals for itself concerning a overall quality of List-class pages as articles. More information regarding the MILHIST assessment system can be found here. I hope that clarifies the issue. As an aside, I have to say responding to your feedback was a nice change of pace from copy-editing. Best Regards, LeonidasSpartan (talk) 09:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC) BapheusHello Nedim. The Byzantine general at Bapheus is variously given as simply Mouzalon or George Mouzalon. The first name may well be correct, although IIRC it is not certain. He is certainly however not the same as the better-known regent George Mouzalon, which the list linked to. IIRC, I did not uncover much info on the later Mouzalon when I was researching for the Bapheus article, but I'll have another look. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 16:55, 8 May 2011 (UTC) OverlapHello, I noticed you are trying to populate a category by the name of "Turkic history". Isn't there an overlap with the already existing "Category:History of the Turkic people"? Should they be merged? Dimadick (talk) 09:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
White ClipperI think there is some confusion here. The white clipper is used in professional and broadcast video equipment. It is primarily a video circuit used within a camera or other video source. I know of no situation where sound buzz or interference is caused by peak white levels. If you were arguing the case for sound buzz due to carrier frequencies particularly NTSC colour subcarrier then I would agree with you. It is vital to distuinguish between video signals and TV signals. What are you discussing - baseband video or transmitter protection? On a low cost CRT TV receiver you will often get sound buzzing and whistling due to poor PSU regulation or loosely wound deflection coils. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robjlocke (talk • contribs) 23:05, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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Improper use of CSDHello. Your recent attempts to blank and/or list the redirect Şemsi Pasha as a WP:CSD did not follow CSD guidelines. If you have an issue with this redirect, please post to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion (RFD) with your rationale. (If you want an article moved over the redirect, please make a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves.) I will note that it is certainly NOT a cross-namespace redirect as you claimed, and the destination article Chamsi-Pasha clearly indicates "Şemsi Pasha" as an alternate spelling. Moreover, the incoming links to the article support this. Please review the CSD and RFD procedures before editing Şemsi Pasha again. Thanks. -- Hadal (talk) 07:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Assessments for WP:HWYWe only used List-Class for lists of roads, things like List of Interstate Highways in Michigan. If the article is about a single road, even though it has the junction list table in the article, it's not a "list". It would get classified as either Stub-, Start-, C-, B-, GA-, A- or FA-Class. Basically, the idea is simple: if you would nominate a complete version of the article for Featured List, it's List-Class; otherwise if you'd nominate it for Featured Article, it uses the other scale. Imzadi 1979 → 10:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC) Anyway, deletion propose was not a good idea. But I strongly support the article, if it should be revamped as a disambig page. And, we should write something about Mersin-Esendere highway. :D OnurT 20:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC) Click any one of these, you will get the article titled as "Roxelana", you can never get an article titled as Hürrem or Hürrem Sultan In addition, most of the titles are incorrectly written as well as their spellings. The Correct title is Hürrem Haseki Sultan. 193.255.108.20 (talk) 20:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC) ![]() You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Titles for the wives of the Ottoman SultansThe mother of the reigning Sovereign: Daulatlu Ismatlu (given name) Validi Sultana 'Aliyat us-Shan Hazratlari, with the style of Her Majesty. The first four official wives of the Sovereign, according to Islamic law: Daulatlu Ismatlu (given name) Bash Kadin Effendi Hazratlari, Daulatlu Ismatlu (given name) 2nd Kadin Effendi Hazratlari, Daulatlu Ismatlu (given name) 3rd Kadin Effendi Hazratlari, and Daulatlu Ismatlu (given name) 4th Kadin Effendi Hazratlari, with the style of Her Majesty. They were additionally styled Haseki Sultana if they had born a son to the Sultan, Haseki Kadin Effendi if they had only borne daughters. The next four favourite wives of the Sovereign: Daulatlu Bash Iqbal (given name) Khanum Effendi Hazratlari, Daulatlu 2nd Iqbal (given name) Khanum Effendi Hazratlari, Daulatlu 3rd Iqbal (given name) Khanum Effendi Hazratlari, and Daulatlu 4th Iqbal (given name) Khanum Effendi Hazratlari, with the style of Her Highness. Usually promoted to official wife (Kadin Effendi), on the death of one of the latter. Also borne by the mothers of sons of a Sovereign. The next four ladies of the Sovereign's harem: styled (given name) Bash Gozde, 2nd Gozde, 3rd Gozde, and 4th Gozde. The next four junior ladies of the Sovereign's harem: styled (given name) Bash Paik, 2nd Paik, 3rd Paik, and 4th Paik. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.255.108.20 (talk) 18:10, 5 June 2011 (UTC) ![]() You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. ANI notification
In case of Nükhet-Sedâ, the biological mother of Mustafa IV who died in 1850, she was BAŞ İKBAL and was not allowed to hold the title of Valide Sultan, instead the title of Valide Sultan was given to Ayşe Sine who was the Baş Kadınefendi for Abdülhamid I the father of Mustafa IV for a reason unknown to us. WHY?
Confusing or Incorrectly assigned titles in List of the mothers of the Ottoman SultansMy suggestion is this: Let's erase all titles as TITLES ERASED: Khātûn, Valide Khātûn, Sultâna, Second Haseki, Second Kadın Efendi, Fourth Kadın Efendi, Third Kadın Efendi in order not to be cause any furher confusion, but keep their full names. Your list have some of them named as Sultan or Hatun and some has no titles. Better to erase all titles. 193.255.108.20 (talk) 15:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi you were not around. Any problem in Turkish Wiki ? Anyway let me talk about your accusation of Ottomanphille. You were not sure if I were one. Well I am not. (Why to admire a monarch who killed his two sons and Piri Reis ) But this is an encyclopaedia and there is no point to follow feelings. I created the article and I never thought to classify the campaigns as Victory or defeat. That was Kebata's doing. But while defining defeat he used opinions. Lets look at the defeats . In 1529 Suleyman captured Buda, expelled all Austrians out of Hungary. He tasked a junior commander to enthrone Zapalya. Is this defeat ? Sure, he also tried to capture Vienna in vain. But still that was not a defeat. Because nobody chased him and he returned home with much booty. My two main sources Hammer and Iorga don't call this a defeat. Maybe unclear outcome at most. The same with the campaign of 1537. There although Corfu was not captured, many forts at the Adriatic cost were captured. While returning home nobody chased Suleyman. This is certainly not a defeat. (Please compare these campaigns with the campaign of 1683 which was certainly a defeat) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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"George Washington" is the common use also in Turkish
"William Shakespeare" is the common use also in Turkish
Takabeg (talk) 09:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC) And in modern Turkish language, Mehmed Paşa is common use.
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Reply to Constantine and TakabegHi , Constantine I noteiced that you had moved Kara Murat Pasha to Kara Murad Pasha. Although we 've collaborated before, I didn't know that you were an expert on Turkish names. Before writing this message I also saw that you've interrupted the discussion between me and Takabeg. OK, I'll save time by answering both of you. Ahmad Shah Qajar was Persian. But Ahmet Necdet Sezer is Turk. Although they use the same first name the spelling of the name differs. That's normal; they speak different languages. Look at the example in western languages Henri Becquerel and Henry Cavendish are two great scientists. Although they use the same first name, note that one name ends in-i and the other ends in-y . Because one is a Frenchman and the and the other is an Englishman. If you compare the counts of the names in search engines, I am sure you'll get much more Henry than Henri. (In yahoo 720 000 000 Henry vs 168 000 000 Henri) Now are you going to move Henri Becquerel to Henry Becquerel ? If not, why Mehmed instead of Mehmet and why Murad instead of Murat ? Personally I have nothing against d and in fact I have two d's in my own name. But the problem is that Turkish prohibits -d ending (as well some other letters such as b and c) For imported names ending in -d the last letter is converted to -t (b to p and c to ç for that matter). So Murat was always Murat and Mehmet was always Mehmet. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
You don't want to understand do you ? I don't say Murat is better than Murad. I say Murad is impossible in Turkish. In all languages pronouncing certain letters is almost impossible. For example French people trying to pronounce th usually puzzle Americans. In Turkish the problem is with the final d. The Turks who can easily pronounce d in a word can't pronounce it at the end of the word. ( It is not a recently invented rule) So there are no names ending in -d.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
CategoryHi. You created Category:Turkic history. Is it different from Category:History of the Turkic people ? There is Category:History of the Germanic peoples. But there isn't Category:Germanic history. Takabeg (talk) 12:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
SulukYou've moved Suluk (Turgesh qaghan) to Suluk (Turgesh khagan) with claiming Correct spelling. But we cannot say so. As long as I know, Q ( The page which was created by me!Hello Nedim. I'm a new editor and I'm not used to wikipedia options, I don't know why the page looking like this, if you can fix it, I'll be thankful for you... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somer Khaldi (talk • contribs) 17:46, 12 June 2011 (UTC) Shkodër Vilayet ?Hi Nedim. What's your oppinion on this issue ? Takabeg (talk) 14:36, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Warning
![]() You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Ottoman namesNedim, you say that you "searched the names Mehmet and Mehmed", but these are generic searches including tens or hundreds of thousands of modern Turkish people who obviously have the "t" forms. You cannot be seriously be bringing this as an argument... Now, on to the main issue. Everywhere I look, including the Turkish Wikipedia itself, these names are most often transliterated with "d" by a (very) wide margin. As it stands, it is you against scholarly usage, including, let me repeat that, Turkish-language books by Turkish authors on Ottoman history, as well as the Turkish Wikipedia. All of them apparently don't have a problem with these forms, so I cannot accept your claim about it being "impossible". Modern Turkish phonology apparently isn't the same as Ottoman Turkish, or perhaps there are other reasons... The fact however remains that these forms are a) valid and b) more widely used. I assure you that there is no prejudice here: if it were the other way around, I'd equally follow that usage. Constantine ✍ 15:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Sultans TrailNedim bey, Sultans Trail sayfaları için yapmış olduğunuz yardımlar çok işe yarıyor. Türkçe Sultanlar Yolu sayfasınada yardımlarınız olabilirse seviniriz. Bu sayfaların daha iyi kullanımı ve bizim katkılarımız bakımından tavsiyeleriniz olursa çok memnun oluruz. Selam ve sevgiler, Sedat Çakır Sedatcakir (talk) 10:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC) Correct form ?You claimed correct form and changed title of the article Sofu Mehmed Pasha. As you saw in the discussion page (Talk:Sofu Mehmed Pasha), scholars prefer Mehmed to Mehmet. If you are in Turkish Wikipedia, your claim could be justified. Because articles are written by the rule of TDK or similar organization Dil Derneği in the Turkish Wikipedia. But it is valid for modern Turkish language. TDK doesn't show the rule about Ottoman language. In this situation we cannot say X is correct form, Y is false. We have to chose the term from its alternatives in accordance with English sources. When will you understand this ? Takabeg (talk) 06:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Elinize sağlık. Bu olayın adı İngilizce tarih yazımına yerleşmiş bir terim olmadığı için Incident'in I'si küçük harfle yazılmalıdır, bence. Takabeg (talk) 14:35, 28 June 2011 (UTC) Sultans Trail hakkındaNedim bey, Sultans Trail sayfalarını Commons ile nasıl değişik dillere çevirme imkanı var. Özellikle Almanca, Hollanca, Fransızca ve İspanyolca bizim için önemli olabilir. Türkçe sayfalarında bu şekilde güncelleştirme imkanı çoğalabilir. Yardımlarınız için şimdiden çok teşekkürler. Selam ve sevgiler, Sedat Çakır Sedatcakir (talk) 21:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC) Please don't provide false information to readers![]() You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Universities in TurkeyCategory:Universities in Turkey, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 17:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
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