User talk:Journalist/Archive 20

Rehab

Hello... How are you? Hope you remember me... I nominated "Rehab" for FA and you commented on its FAC. It was the first of three. Currently the third FAC of the article is running. I can say that the article improved a lot. Can you check it again and give your comment or eventually vote on the FAC. Thanks — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 19:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

The prose in the section Production and recording was edited by your advices. Check the article again. I think that I together with Baffle gab (the copy-editor) resolved the issues. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 21:42, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Rehab_(Rihanna_song)#Production_and_recording. And I'm not going to remind you to wait at least a day before notifying someone who commented on your FAC. It's not been a day. Patience, please. The article will get there soon enough. I watchlisted it. :) Orane (talk) 00:02, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I know that you hate when people pinch you to comment somewhere, but I really want to check "Rehab" again. There are some comments on the FAC for you and also the article was copy-edited. Thank You :) — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 21:10, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Can you help me?

hello,

if you have time can you help to improve the prose in Otis Redding? I want that it passes at least GAN. Thanks.--♫GoP♫_T^C_N 14:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

It may take a few days or longer to get to, but I'll see what I can do. I may not get to everything before the FAC is over. In the meantime, you may also try WP:GOCE. Orane (talk) 23:28, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much. As you can see, it is so long in GOCE.--♫GoP♫_T^C_N 14:55, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)/archive3

Greetings Journalist. Hope you are doing great in RL. Listen, i badly need your help. See the background and releases section of "Single Ladies". A reviewer here expressed concerns that it reads like a quotefarm. I did not try to rephrase as it was a bit difficult and to avoid those copyvio issues. Please see waht you can do. I will be very happy if you could convert the quotes in original prose as he said. Please. I am waiting (im)patiently. Lol. Jivesh 1205 (talk) 02:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Single_Ladies_(Put_a_Ring_on_It)#Background_and_release. Some quotations were kept intact because they suited the article's discussion of the song's composition. Let me know if I need to convert further. As stated on the page, I have limited access to a computer, as of yesterday (Tuesday), because my lap top (which I bought earlier this year!) is a piece of crap. Orane (talk) 08:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Journalist, thank you wholeheartedly. You really made me happy, in fact, very happy. No mater how much i thank you, it is not enough. And lol at you complaining about DELL. Well, that's why i don't buy their products. My computer studies teacher told me to avoid their goods and services. Jivesh 1205 (talk) 10:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem at all. Glad I could help. Orane (talk) 22:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Breyonce is coming for that wig. Lol. Jivesh 1205 (talk) 14:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Lol. You're probably the biggest Beyonce fan I've ever met. I know I love her, but you're just something else :). Orane

That's for sue. I am not a fan but a fan + a stan = Super Mega Fan (like "1+1" = 2). Lol. Jivesh 1205 (talk) 05:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

(talk) 21:17, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Please comment on the FAC of "Single Ladies". I think i won't mind if it fails this time gain but i will do my best for the (possible) fourth nomination. Jivesh 1205 (talk) 14:13, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Will give it a review soon :). Orane (talk) 21:17, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Please be strict on the prose and do help me fix them. I mean, please leave a few suggestions of how they can be fixed. Jivesh 1205 (talk) 05:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

All the things that I could say for the FAC has pretty much already been said in comments about the prose by various people. It would be repetitive to repeat what they have said. I do agree that article needs a thorough copyedit, which may not be finished by he time the FAc is over. I can help with a few suggestions, but it's going to take a while (I work during the days, and only have time before bed to edit anything on Wikipedia) to cover everything as thorough as we may want it to be. Orane (talk) 09:17, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Love on Top/Beyonce

Why do you think her vocal range is underrated? Her vocal range is not underrated. She simply doesn't use her range to that extent very often, so people are surprised when she does use it. Calvin • ^TalkThatTalk 13:14, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

But that is what being underrated is: they are surprised when she does it, because they don't expect her to be able to sing at that range... Orane (talk) 08:05, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Everyone knows that Beyonce is capable of hitting those notes, she just chooses not to very often. She doesn't like to push her voice. It's not that people were surprised that she hit multiple falsetto notes, people were just surprised at the amount of times she hit them. I guess because I know a lot about Beyonce's voice and vocals that it doesn't surprise me too much. And the highest note in Love on Top is a B5, which isn't high for her. In studio and live performances, she has hit C6, C#6, D6, Eb6,E6 and exclaimed an F6. All of her albums feature high falsetto and head voice notes, it just happens to be that she hasn't ever done it so frequently in one song. Beyonce's vocal range is not underrated, trust me. Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 14:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm getting the feeling that you don't know what "underrated" means... Orane (talk) 03:53, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Please, I know what underrated means, however, I do not feel she is. Instead of carrying this on, reply to the S&M FAC. Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 14:11, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't come to my talk page and tell me what to do. You need to learn some manners. I'll come to your FAC page when I damn well feel like it. Orane (talk) 18:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't tell me you two are arguing now. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 03:56, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know about him, but I'm not arguing. He has a real attitude problem that he needs to check before he talks to me. Let's overlook that he didn't even say "Thank you" for the sources I found for him for his FAC. He's challenged me on a statement I made that didn't even concern him, and thinks he has the right to order me back to the FAC page to respond to his query. But to explain it to you, the fact that I think Beyonce is underrated is actually a compliment to her. And many of my friends who hear her sing these high notes had no idea that she was a belter (all they've heard were "Single Ladies" or "Video Phone" where she doesn't use her voice that much). So, in my experience, people don't give her the credit she deserves for her vocal talents and her amazing belting range. That's what I meant. But he keeps engaging in a circular argument that doesn't even make sense. If he feels she's not underrated that that's his opinion; just as how, in my experience, she is. Orane (talk) 09:57, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, i agree. The fact that Billboard put her in its most overrated list proves everything? Overrated for what? 4 did not even get the main nominations at the Grammys. She was snubbed. If "Black and Yellow" is getting nominations, this is like if "Run the World" should win Record of the Year. Lol. The Grammy committee will see thunder and lightning. Go on Twitter and see the number of people complaining. Grammys have become commercial. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:23, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Guys you are so underrated. Lol. --Efe (talk) 15:22, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol at Efe. Also, Jivesh, it just occurred to me that the B received only 1 nomination for her album. But to be honest, she has 16. She doesn't need more. And I actually think she would be happy to sit this one out and let Adele get the spotlight for now. As much as I hate to say it, I think Adele may fade from the spotlight after this album. She's definitely peaked, and should soak up all the awards she can. Hope she wins them all and I'm pissed that "Rolling in the Deep" was not nominated for Best R&B Song and Best Vocal Performance. And just ecstatic that Gaga got only 3 noms. Hope she loses. People grow tired of her shtick. Orane (talk) 04:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

4 is the first album of Beyonce not to be nominated in the R&B category. And this makes me very sad. But i do agree that Beyonce must lket others shine. Journalist, will you agree with me if i tell you Grammys are becoming commercial? Adele will fade, are you kidding me? She will never fade in my opinion. I mean i think she has established herself. Hmmm, I am a bit sad for GaGa. I have really begun appreciating her music (BTW is a good album). Is RITD really R&B? I am sad "1+1" was not nominated, also "Love on Top". Lol at this People grow tired of her shtick... What does this mean? Well, i am tired of someone else. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

OMG, the defamation of the Grammys have begun:

Beyonce's 4, Best R&B Album

Perhaps the Recording Academy thinks Beyonce has enough Grammys? It would be easy enough to make a case that 4 should be a contender for Album of the Year – it's Metacritic rating of 73 is better than four of the nominated albums, and while music critics are far from definitive, consensus acclaim shouldn't be overlooked – but we would have settled for Best R&B Album because, well, it's the perfect R&B album. On 4 Beyonce eschewed club bangers for soulful and complex ballads and insanely catchy mid-tempo jams (like "Love on Top" and "Countdown"). In its review, New York Magazine commented on the album's throw-back vibe, writing, "There’s a streak of nostalgia running through the sound, whether it’s the kind of traditionalist R&B that sells Adele albums or the cheery funk of a track like 'Love on Top,' which feels as cozy as seventies Stevie Wonder or eighties Michael Jackson." And when it comes to R&B, does a higher compliment exist than a comparison to seventies Stevie Wonder and eighties Michael Jackson?

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:33, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Journalist. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/S&M (song)/archive4.
Message added 14:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 14:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Like a Prayer

Well, the title says it all. :) One of the most controversial song and video to be released, probably. The article is GA now, I'm just trying to up the ante for FAC and have submitted for peer review here. Would you mind commenting in it as it hasn't received any response from reviewers at all? :( — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:10, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for beginning it Orane. And gee, thanks for the compliments. :) — Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:31, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Please Please Please

Hi my friend. Whenever you log in, please do me a big favor. Please rewrite this whole section for me. User:Efe want all quotes here to be transformed into prose (in the first paragraph). And he said that the second paragraph "is read like the staccato notes towards the end of her song 'I Care'. Its not written well, doesn't flow well ...". Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

And some the quotes (especially towards the end of the first paragraph). Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll try to do it when I have some time, but I'm not able to do it "whenever I log in". As I've said, above, I can definitely help you with the article, but I'm not able to address concerns as they arise at FAC. Orane (talk) 21:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

My friend, please don't take it that way... I think i should have written Whenever you can. Sorry. Okay, take your time. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh no, I didn't take it any way. And didn't mean to sound like I'm upset at all. I'm not. I'm delighted to help! I just have some real-life events at the moment that will prevent me from thinking straight for the next couple days. Nothing bad; just an amazing thing that is making me quite anxious and apprehensive, until I hear of the outcome on Thursday :) . Orane (talk) 08:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for writing this. I thought you did not appreciated my impatience. Lol. Take your time but i kindly request you to do it soonest possible as i don't want the FAC to close. 08:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Dude, I hate to say it to you, but the FAC will not pass. Not this time around. Is there a specific reason that you want it done before the FAC closes? Orane (talk) 08:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I stand corrected. There are more support votes than I realized. Good work! Orane (talk) 08:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, because i think i think nearly everyone has already commented and many FACs are coming long in December, as i see. It is soon going to be in the older nominations list. Legolas said that he will post more after i fixed his concerns which i have already done. Now, i have to do those of Efe but i only managed to so some of his ones. Those on which I got stuck, i asked you for help to fix them. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how to thank you appropriately and the way you rightfully deserve. What you have done (though it may seem little to you) is something great for me. Thank you wholeheartedly and may God bless you (just the way you blessed my day today). Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol, you're way too kind. But you're welcome. To be honest, I don't think it would be possible to remove all of the quotations. Sometimes there's no better way to say something. Just my opinion. But if you need it done further, let me know! :) Orane (talk) 08:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I know that it is not advisable to remove all quotes sometimes (to avoid copyvio issues) but i prefer not to argue with the reviewers. You know reviewers can be sometimes. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:13, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Do you like how the second paragraph of the Responses and accolades section is written? It has been re-written at least 10 times by more than five different writers. Can you believe it? Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow lol. It sounds good to me. It's difficult to write compelling prose for lists like these, but I think they did a good job, whoever did it. I read through some points in the FAC, and I think the people who have helped out are very good at what they do :). Orane (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, i simply adore them, including you. Do you think it will pass? And do you think user Indopug's reason for oppose was justified. I mean he just wrote something and disappeared. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Given its history and significance, I do not think it was justified. And hopefully the FAC delegate will realize this. You have nothing to worry about. Orane (talk) 08:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for re-assuring me. I was very impatient for your reply. Orane, can you please tell me, what article(s) have a shot at FAC? What about this? I have done some 're-writing' today but i realize there is till certain things to be done. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:37, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd say, off the bat, the controversy section needs to be trimmed and paraphrased, and the production section may need expansion; however, I haven't given it an in depth prose analysis. But with the right work and dedication, definitely. Look at what you did with "Single Ladies"? :) Orane (talk) 08:43, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, i will try my best. My dream is to take "Sweet Dreams" to FAC but i know it will never pass. Lol. On what are you working at the moment? Still 21? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:51, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Yep, still working on 21. Next plan is to trim it and give it a copy edit, and add some last minute info, like this, and this, and this... :) Orane (talk) 08:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

And "SD" has a good chance of passing, just like any other article you've written. Orane (talk) 09:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I have already seen all those list. Adele is also first on MSN and practically everywhere else. She deserves it. And i am sincere. I will try with SD later. Hey, will you mind telling me your name? Mine is Jivesh (for real). Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Mine is Orane. For real. Hate my name lol. But nice to meet you Jivesh. Orane (talk) 09:08, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Nice to meet you too. Well, i have to say your name is different but you know, something different is often pleasant to the ears. Lol. Hey, you should be a writer. I mean if you study literature (I hope you do, right?), i am sure you will become a famous writer. You will achieve a lot in life because your style of writing is simply beyond my imagination (and capacities. Lol.) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I just paid attention to what you wrote about this and i have to admit that it will be difficult task to paraphrase it. I am sure it was one of the issues for which it never passed. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:18, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Will help out when the time is right. Orane (talk) 09:19, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

But anyway, it's 4:20 am here in Canada, and I must be heading to bed. But will chat some more soon. Will grace the "Single Ladies" FAC page soon. Orane (talk) 09:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Goodnight and sweet dreams. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

After hours of surfing on the net, i finally found this. It is a very good analysis of the lyrics. Can you please use the essential of it to craft a section where the way the song proceeds lyrically can be explained. Please, do it here. I simply won't be able to do that without using quotes. It's too tricky to write in my own words. If you agree to do it, please go on YouTube and find a lyrics video... watch and listen... then write the section in the sandbox so that you understand the article better. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I have absolutely no problem helping you with it. But dude, that's totally different from doing it for you (which is what you're asking me to do, even with specific directions to "go to youtube and find a lyrics video" and to "watch and listen" then write in in your sandbox). You haven't even attempted it. Because of time constraints (and the fact that I have limited access to a computer, as I've said), I can help you edit what you have written. Even if you do it with quotes, then that's fine. But you have to give it a shot. Orane (talk) 04:27, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Getting to it right now. Sorry for the way i formulate my sentences. I know it is difficult to understand me at times. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Can you please copy-edit it now if needed? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Words are not enough to compliment your copy-editing skills. :) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Aww, you're too kind. Sorry I was away for a week. A lot has happened in real life. Changed careers, may have gotten a new job etc (keep my fingers crossed). Had no time to come on. But hope you're doing good. And see, you did an amazing job on the lyrics. Orane (talk) 09:09, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome. And I have to thank you as well for pushing me to write that section by myself. So... you life underwent some changes... Hmm good ones? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Just a couple. Maybe I'm overstating it. But yeah, good changes. I'll remain mum about the details until I know it's for sure. Don't want to jinx it: ). How u been? Orane (talk) 09:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol. I understand. Hmm, my RL has been very up and down lately. On Wikipedia (I simply love this place), I spent the last week creating articles - "Dance for You", "I Care (Beyoncé Knowles song)" and "Rather Die Young" - currently working on User:Jivesh boodhun/Sandbox12, and I revamped "If I Were a Boy" from this to this. And today, I am taking Beyonce's FAs one by one to make some corrections ({{cite web}} and {{cite news}}). I am never bored of this place. It is like heaven for me,. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:21, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad you find such pleasure in writing about Beyonce and being on here. I was that way too. We need more enthusiastic editors like you. And I must say, those articles are really good. I'm impressed. I would be on here a lot too, but I work too much, really. I hope you're keeping up with the year-end lists. Beyonce is appreaing on more of them than I anticipated, especially "Countdown". Orane (talk) 09:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. Lol, I feel so restless when there is a power cut here and I am not able to check the articles. Yes, I really love Beyonce a lot. If only God could bless me with a wife like her... My life would be complete. Orane, are you 18 as well? And of course, I am checking those lists but I have not yet put them on 4. They are on its talk-page. Same for "Countdown". Even non-singles "1+1", "Schoolin' Life", "I Miss You" are making those lists. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

No, not 18.lol. I'm 24 going on 25. And had no idea you were in love with her like that. I thought it was more stan-dom and not "I want to marry her" type thing... if you know what I mean lol. Put them on 4 when you are able to. They're important to the article. By the way, I must be going to bed soon. Orane (talk) 09:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I love her to death. I also love her songs. I mean it. But I feel kind of uneasy playing some her songs loud. Lol. They are too feminine. You know what I mean. It does not matter. We can talk later. It is ALWAYS a pleasure to talk to you. You are very gentle and kind. See you later. Take care. Goodnight. P.S I hope you know Adele is a big fan stan of Beyonce. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

We'll talk tomorrow. And don't ever be self-conscious about playing Beyonce's music out loud. I do it :). Nighty-night. Orane (talk) 09:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay. :) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:50, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Haha

You're back! LOL. "Thespian" was certainly the most gender-neutral word I could think of for an actor, but it certainly is a strange word. :-) —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 10:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe my vocab is more limited than I originally thought. But it was the first time I heard the word thespians, and it sounded a bit weird to me. lol. But yes, back temporarily. Still have only an hour to be on here per day, but I'm trying to really get back into editing 21. It needs updating, a copy edit, and the bare url sources need to be formatted. Orane (talk) 22:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I think 21's really close to meeting FACR. Keep up the work and let me know if you need a favor from me. ;) —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 10:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Will def let you know when I do. Can't thank you enough for all you've done so far. Orane (talk) 06:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Happy holidays to you. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 20:13, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Can you...

... please have a look at what User:Efe is writing at the FAC? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

What exactly do you want me to do...? Orane (talk) 22:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Try to reply him. I mean he is repeatedly saying the same thing. And I can no longer bear his I think... In my opinion. I cannot write the article by his preferences. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:18, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I know its frustrating, but I doubt that my presence would have much weight there, and would be lost in the sea of comments on the FAC page. There are a couple of his points that I disagree with (the article isn't too technical; in fact, it is expected that a music article would have musical terms (i.e. chord progression etc)—that's why we have Wiki-links: to link to terms that people want to find out more about. And I disagree with his inordinate request for "parallelism" (your response about the article not being about the album was spot-on btw). But he does have some legitimate concerns about the article. His concerns are his concerns. I can't change his mind. And to be honest, there are a couple people who seem to agree with him. You stated that you're on Wikipedia often, and that you're very enthusiastic about editing articles. That has its disadvantages: you get emotionally invested in your articles; but, more importantly, you become overwhelmed because you're trying to address all the FAC comments at once. Step back, take a breather (stay off of WP for a day or two, at least). And then come back. You'll acquire strategic distance, and you'll also be more refreshed. You may even approach a few delegates (not Sandy— I saw your question on her talk page, and although you apologised, that's something that I think you should have known in the first place) and request an extension, as you're trying to work through the objections. Orane (talk) 07:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I will do as you say. Do you know how to reduce the quality of a music sample to 64 Kbs? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:41, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Download a program called Audicity, and follow the instructions listed at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music samples (See the second point under "Guidelines"). Unfortunately, I have an early start tomorrow for work, so I have to run :(. Orane (talk) 08:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks and best of luck to you. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

My Sincere Wishes For This Festive Season

		★*★*★*★*★*★*★*★* Merry Christmas And Happy New Year 2012 *★*★*★*★*★*★*★*★
		I Wish You And Your Family A Merry Christmas And A Happy New Year 2012. May The New Year Bring Much Happiness, Prosperity, Peace, And Success In Your Life. I Am Very Happy To be Part of Wikipedia And To Have Great Friends Like You. Cheers. - From A Big Fan of ----> Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I love that first part of your message. Lol. Thanks for always being king (and especially patient) to me. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

21 (Adele album)

As I promised two months ago. You are welcome. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 23:24, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad "Marry the Night" made it to your "year-end chart" lol. I agree with your review completely. And I'm amazed it managed to get on your list despite having been a hit for only a month now. Not surprised "Rolling" is No. 1. ;-) —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 21:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I too was surprised that I liked this song. But I stand by it. It's a freaking awesome song. Still hate her, though lol. I think I like it better for the video, and that amazing narration she did at the beginning of it.

And yes, Adele would make my #1. I was gonna put "Someone Like You" and "Turning Tables" on my list too, but that would have been a bit much. Orane (talk) 00:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

After reading that Writing and recording section, I realized just how dedicated Adele is to making raw music. I have respect for her. She has that Etta James in her. Yes, that narration is amazing ("She's got a great ass.. bam."). —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 00:24, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's initially what pulled me into the video—that eloquent narration at the beginning. Plus, her acting isn't half bad.

Btw, I'm working on a draft for "Writing and recording". I've come upon some new information, and will have to rewrite the entire section. Orane (talk) 03:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I am so happy to see two Beyonce songs on your list. Adele and B slay that list. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:00, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, they "slay" it (whatever that means lol). Orane (talk) 03:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

slay means hmmm to take over but in an indescribable way or simply to surprise someone. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:29, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Posting here as it is the relevant section. I want to have a look at the Song structures section sometime. Do you want me to look over it now or after the re-write? —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 19:10, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

No rush. It's up to you. Song structures will largely remain the same. I'll only be shifting some stuff around in "writing and recording". Apparently, Adele had written most of the album before the end of her relationship (these songs include "He Won't Go", "I'll Be Waiting" and "Take It All"). And Rubin had produced 99% of it. And then, after her break-up, she went back into the studio and rewrote and rerecorded the album with Tedder and Epworth etc etc. And met with Rubin again to rewrite and re-produce songs.

Is the source you are using a web source? If so, can you give me a link? I'd like to read it. :) —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

It is a combination and mixture of many sources, actually. According to this source, Adele went into the studio with different writers, with Epworth being one of them. And according to Epworth, it was "just writing, not production"; Epworth confirmed that Rubin was going to be producing the album. This article states that Rubin produced the album. And that she had been unhappy with it. 17 paragraphs into this article, it's revealed that she had written material with Epworth, but had shelved it "for a year". Then after her break-up, she went back into the studio with him to record it (I was also watching her VH1 Unplugged session where she states that "Rolling in the Deep" started out as a separate song, but then she rewrote it to fit her experience when she went into the studio with Epworth (I'm going to try and find the video and source it). Do you think all this counts as original research? It comes close, in a sense. But I don't feel comfortable ommitting all this from the "writing and recording" section. If u think the sources are weak, I'll try to find others. Orane (talk) 22:49, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I think it's fine. But questions may come up about the article's focus. Bare in mind that album articles should describe songs in summary style. As long as this is discussion of the album of a whole, go for it. Oh by the way, careful what you did in the Accolades section. This isn't a sandbox you know. ;-) But I should be warning users who have been editing for 6 years longer than I have. Lol. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 23:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, every song about her relationship was composed during the second draft of the album. There are a few songs on the album that aren't about her relationship, but I'll have to find sources for these. Also, out of curiosity, what is wrong with the accolade section. Orane (talk) 23:57, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm? Did you make this edit? The spacing? —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 00:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Spacing was accidental. Probably occurred when I was adding refs. Orane (talk) 00:42, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Your top ten

Can be renamed to "perfection" *Cries and faints* — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:38, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol, glad you liked it. What part/song did u like best :)

Didn't know my list would be such a hot. It would be interesting to know the top ten fro you, Jivesh, and Penguin! Orane (talk) 03:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I am posting mine very soon but without commentaries. Not good at that. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

1. Beyonce - I Miss You
2. Beyonce - Best Thing I Never Had
3. Beyonce - End of Time
4. Beyonce - Schoolin' Life
5. Beyonce - Countdown
6. Lady Gaga - Mary the Night
7. Kelly Rowland - Down for Whatever
8. Beyonce - Dance for You
9. Adele - Rolling in the Deep
10. Beyonce - Love on Top
11. LMAO - Sexy and I Know It
12. Lady Gaga - The Edge of Glory
13. Adele - Someone Like You
14. Jason Derulo - It Girl
15. Beyonce - Party
16. Katy Perry - E.T
17. Beyonce - Start Over
18. Beyonce - 1+1
19. Katy Perry - Firework
20. Kelly Rowland - All of the Night

I know mime is not so good. :P Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean yours isn't as good. Your opinion is your opinion, and just as valid as anyone else. That's a good list, although i get the impression that you listen to a lot of Beyonce lol. I actually wanted to put "Start Over" in my top 10. It's an honourable mention. Amazing vocal performance. And can't stand anything by Jason Derulo. Orane (talk) 07:28, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol. I meant that i also listen to generic stuff. ("Sexy And I Know It) I adore "It Girl". I will sing it to my girlfriend one day. :) "Start Over" is really great but critics did not like it very much. Those from the UK nevertheless loved it. And yes, I listen to a lot of Beyonce. I thought you knew that. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:32, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

My Beyonce comment was meant as a joke... PS:I wonder why Beyonce hasn't sung "Start Over" in public. I'd love to hear the high notes. BTW, have you already seen this. Orane (talk) 07:40, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I know for the comment. Lol. Yes. Do you like it? Hmm, I am not a great fan of old songs. Lol. My mom would love that. Can you please copy-edit this composition section? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I will do it when I'm able to. Right now, I'm knee-deep in this. I'm planning to bring it to FAC soon, and it needs a lot of work. Orane (talk) 07:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Do you like the tribute? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:55, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol @ "Sexy and I Know It". My top 10 would be very different from yours. ;-) Maybe I'll post it sometime on New Year's Eve. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 16:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I hope I will see at least one Beyonce on it. :)) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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• here. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

  Commented on the page. As a small note, for the sake of time, it's easier to give me a heads-up about what is going on on the page. It's a bit confusing (vague) to say "look here", and then have me follow the link and read through every comment to try and understand what the discussion is about and what is needed of me. (ie., just say "Hey Journalist, do you mind giving your opinion at this talk page. An editor is questioning the reliability of Amazon as a source ..." etc). Nothing long, but just an overview.

  On a lighter note, Happy New Year =). Orane (talk) 07:30, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Lol. Noted. Happy New Year to you as well. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:34, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you online? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I can spare a few minutes. How are u? Orane (talk) 10:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I am fine. Thank you. And you? Hey what do you think of this now? It was copy-edited yesterday. Please take a quick look. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:16, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm really impressed by it. It reads well, and is very concise. There are some things that I want to touch on regarding the intro and some other bits and pieces in the body of the article. But on the whole, i really like it. I'll give you a more in depth review tomorrow, though. I promise =) Orane (talk) 10:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. *weeps* Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I guess you're going after another FA soon, huh? Good luck. With minor tweaks, this one should do great too. Orane (talk) 10:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I will nominate it tomorrow. I am so happy that Malleus introduced me to those two great copy-editors. :D Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

If you want to submit it tomorrow, then it's your choice. But there are problems that I see with the article, and I'd advise that you wait until they have been worked out. And as I said, I won't go into too much detail now: 1. The large controversy section is unnecessary, and needs to be edited down. Most of it belongs in the "Already Gone" article, instead of this one. That was Kelly's and that song's issue, not Halo's. 2. Prose in the introduction needs copyediting. 3. The lead section is too long. Everyone seems so determined to have 4 paragraphs nowadays that they'll pad the section with unnecessary info just to stretch it. According to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#Length, only articles that have more than 30,000 characters should have 4 paragraphs. "Halo" has 11,000, and should have 2, max 3 paragraphs. That's on the surface and all I can say right now. Orane (talk) 10:56, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, then I will wait. But isn't all the controversies related directly to "Halo". In fact, the controversy in "Already Gone"'s article is huge and contains more information. You can check each and every source used. They all connect "Halo" to "Already Gone". For the lead, "Halo" is three times bigger than this. Yet, see the latter's lead. I think it is better lay emphasis on the facts that the lead is supposed to summarize the article and point the important events. Here is "Halo"'s new lead. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

The convention is that if it's fewer than 15,000, it requires about two paragraphs in the lead. "One Tree Hill" is about 5,000 words, this article is 11,000. Both are below 15,000, so they use the same number of paragraphs. I'll review the article on the talk page. Orane (talk) 20:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to jump in rudely, but is that really how readable prose is measured: the number of total words = number of readable prose characters? I've used User:Dr pda/prosesize.js to measure prose, which converts the characters into Kb, one of which I assume is one thousand prose characters? Correct me if I'm wrong. "One Tree Hill" would have 14,000 characters of readable prose and "Halo" would have 21,000 if the script is right. :/ Even then however, "Halo" cannot have four paragraphs in the lead. Again, sorry to drop by. :-) —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:17, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh no, don't apologize. Your opinion is respected and always welcomed. Not really sure how the measuring aspect goes, so thanks for correcting me. But yeah, I've grown weary of the "4-paragraph intro" rule to which most articles about pop music seem to adhere. Orane (talk) 22:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

It's a running problem, I know. Your comments on every FAC/talk page/GAN I have read are perfectly worded. On a different note, could you have a second skim over "Love the Way You Lie" sometime this week? I'd be grateful, thank you. I may ask for a more comprehensive review, but a quick one should suffice for now. The lead of that article probably needs trimming as well. ;-) Thanks! —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Will definitely give it a comprehensive review soon--either today or tomorrow. Nice touch with the inclusion of the lyrics, btw. Orane (talk) 22:43, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

It was a nice idea. Thanks. Of course, people will appreciate the hook lyrics; they appreciate the pop vocals more these days. Hip hop is forever gone. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, so three paragraphs is good? Lol, it's easy to get the Kbs. OTH is 33 Kbs while "Halo" is 90 Kbs. You just have to view the history of the page. So simple. :D Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:29, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

That is total size of the article, including refs, lists, etc. Prose measurement requires a script. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:31, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Limp Bizkit

You could fix the problems you perceive yourself, if you really feel that there's anything strongly affecting the article's FA chances.--WTF (talk) 19:29, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I really don't know what to make of this message. You submit the article for a review, then become completely passive aggressive when you receive feedback. The convention is to source specific points to specific pages when using inline citations. That's just how it is supposed to be, in academia and on Wikipedia. Don't come here and tell me to fix them myself. I don't have the book—you do! I'm not the one who wants the article featured—you are. I don't know if this is you asking for my help, but if it is, you seriously need to reconsider your approach. And if you aren't asking for my help, then you have no business on my talk page. Orane (talk) 20:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't have the book at the moment, which is partially why your request is unreasonable. The other half of is that you're blatantly lying about your personal issue with the formatting being a guideline and claiming that it's not properly sourced, when it clearly is. It's actually easier to read the citations as they are now, even if having the ISBN, author and book title in every cite seems repetitive to you. Making the formatting the way you personally think is better doesn't make it any easier to read. --WTF (talk) 21:54, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hey buddy :) Thanks for commenting at the FAC. I'm puzzled though, is All Hip Hop going to give me reliability issues? Remember this is for FA. I'd honestly love to include that bit of info. Lol, you're a tough cookie because you know everything about the album :P--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

AllHipHop should be fine, and its reliability is mentioned by the sources listed in its Wikipedia page. And if it's questioned, I'll help you defend it. Sorry if I was too harsh on the article. You've done an amazing job. Just a few tweaks necessary. Orane (talk) 22:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Sure thing Orane, I completely understand! :) I'm going to work on the prose and polish it up and let you know to come take a look. I'll also try and expand the writing section a bit more.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:33, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey again! So I took the liberty in adding more information to the writing section. Additionally, I proof-read the article and made many additional prose fixes. Please have a look back :) Also, great news! It appears Adele might open the Grammys :D--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:59, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Will definitely have a look later tonight. I've seen some of your edits, and they're amazing. Good job. And I hope she opens the Grammys. Would be very exciting, singing "Set Fire to the Rain", or a medley. If she doesn't win every category she's nominated for, I'll be very upset lol. Orane (talk) 19:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

She will win all of them. I heard they are going to pay tribute to someone. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:59, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Amy probably. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 10:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

She definitely should clean up this year. Here's to hoping she can perform! I've fixed those issues Orane, but let me take some more time to read through the article a few more times :) I'll reply to you guys on the FAC when I'm done. Also, being that you are Canadian, I was wondering. Why didn't any of the Mimi singles chart? I never understood why :(--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 00:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

The singles didn't chart because Canadians have very crappy taste in music lol. Simple as that. Justin Bieber. ugh. =) Orane (talk) 01:30, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

May I replace very crappy with crappiest? Their taste changed after 2008/mid 2009. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:11, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Lol. Yeah, but the album sold well. And her previous albums and singles have always done really well in Canada. I don't know why this is different :S Haha, yeah, Justin... Enough said :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 06:48, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Seconded. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 00:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

21 new layout

Its amazing, but you probably know that. :D Did you have No Line on the Horizon articles layout on your mind when you did the re-structure? Here's to it being a future FA. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:44, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Aww thanks a lot. Glad you liked it. Hoping to take it to FA by the time the Grammys roll around. Yes, used No Line on the Horizon and Blonde on Blonde as models. I guess it's a little too obvious lol. I'm considering tweaking the heading a little bit. Orane (talk) 18:36, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Please verify.

Hi Orane, I came across this today

This part was pretty interesting:

Someone is trying to recreate that climactic '80s drum breakdown thing, the hallmark of all quality power-balladry. It's a one bar roam around the drum kit, mainly on the tom-toms, which is supposed to make the neck-hairs stand up when the music comes roaring back in.

Can I write it as such:

• The third pre-chorus and chorus is preceded by a 1980s drum breakdown after which the music returns.

Well, I know much more can be added I don't know how to put it in a way so that it does not seem awkward. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:59, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

• How did i miss this? Soo sorry. The way you wrote it is perfect, actually. Say "Each chorus as well as the third prechorus is preceded by a 1980s drum breakdown, after which the music resumes..." or something close to this. Orane (talk) 20:47, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you Orane. :D Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 15:28, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I owe you an apology

...for an exchange we had on my talk page last year. I hope you can forgive and forget. Best wishes. Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

No need to apologize. Water under the bridge. :) Best wishes and keep up the good work at FAC! Orane (talk) 23:30, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

You are too kind. Thanks. Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 23:33, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem! And I also owe you an apology. I may have been dismissive in our initial exchange. Sometimes I come across that way even though I don't mean to at all. Orane (talk) 23:38, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Yet, after all these years, you have still done not one thing about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.150.43 (talk) 01:26, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Is it possible if you can leave comments for this article I am working on? I hope to bring it to FAC within a few weeks. Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 19:36, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Yep, will be able to do in a day or two. :) Orane (talk) 23:15, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks bud! Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:25, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I replied. Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 05:24, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello

Can you cast your eyes over S&M again please? Aaron • ^{You Da One} 23:19, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I have to say, I'm really impressed with the article. You have done a wonderful job. I'm not sure its going to pass now, with so many oppose votes. Let's see if they respond. I copy-edited a few areas, but don't have time to do everything. But, I'll say this: with a few similar tweaks, you have my full support! Orane (talk) 01:39, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Calvin, I've never helped anyone out on Wikipedia just to have them show me gratitude. But to be honest, if I go out of my way to copyedit your article, I do expect a thank you. And, even if you don't say it, I expect that you won't take all the credit for the rewrite and say that you did it, as you did here. Jivesh said to you, "I see you have re-written it." And your response to him was "Yep". This bothers me. Even if it was only a few sentences. Orane (talk) 19:44, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

You made copy-edits? I didn't know, sorry. And with regard to that link, I put "Done?" and Jivesh replied to me saying "I see you've re-written it", so I replied "Yep". I thought he was referring to what I had done, I didn't know you had further copy-edited the point Jivesh has made. But to be honest, don't be so quick to say what you just said, because I didn't know you had made any such edits. As you can see by my contributions, I have made barely next to no edits today. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 19:52, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

So...you don't check the history of your own FAC? Because you even reverted someone's edits. But whatever, I'll assume good faith. Orane (talk) 20:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

What? I haven't reverted anyone. I made 4 edits on S&M and one on S&M's FAC. But thanks for making some edits. It failed earlier, but I wasn't surprised. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 20:21, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Misread the revert. But, anyway, we'll move on from that. The FAC failed, but it should pass the next time around. And as I've said, you have my support for next time. Wait a few weeks, as per SandyGeorgia suggestion. Orane (talk) 20:38, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm leaving S&M for a while. Need some time away from it, I will re-nominate in about a month. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 20:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

In case you are free

Hi Orane. I need your amazing copy-editing skills for a section of an article. I promise, it is short. Will you have a look please? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh my goodness. I am about to... :D Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:05, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

You're gonna have to be in a queue, cuz I promised User:AJona1992 that I'd help with his article. Which article do you need help with? Orane (talk) 07:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't faint. You deserved it and you did a good job. Orane (talk) 07:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Lol. It is this music video section. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:08, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I saw what happened between you and Calvin. Well, I actually thought he had re-written it. I mean I have been telling him it is not good several times. And then that day, I was going through it again and I saw it was (drastically) very nice and I said "I see you have re-written it). I did not know it was actually you. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Lol. yeah, I may have been too hard on him. It was unintentional, and I suppose he didn't see my edits. Regarding your article, I'm going to have to put it in a queue. But will definitely get to it within a couple days. Scouts honour :) Orane (talk) 07:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

It does not matter. Take your time. Aren't you on FB? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:20, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't go on facebook, actually. Never really been into it. Why? Are u on? Orane (talk) 07:28, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes. :D I was asking sop that I could add you as a friend. Avi, Andrew and I have such nice time there. They recently posted Nikki Minaj's latest video on my wall and wow at all the comments received. Seems like she has gone too far in that clip. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

LOl. Love ""Stupid Ho". Was never a fan on Minaj until recently, when I saw "Superbass". But yeah, I hope you don't take it personally, but I'm much too private to add to facebook lol. Orane (talk) 07:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Same here. I don't put my pictures there. :P To tell you frankly, I like Nikki. And I never thought I would say this but the video made the song (Stupid Hoe) catchy. And "Super Bass" is definitely a good song. It appeals to many formats of airplay. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:41, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

It is funny, but I kinda expected more from the video. She kinda copies Gaga with the big eyes lol. Orane (talk) 07:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I know about the big eyes. :D And the lyrics slay. She is definitely dissing Lil' Kim. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Lil Kim deserves it, though. I used to like her until she started this beef with Minaj for no reason. Btw, what's your next move after "Halo"? Orane (talk) 07:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually I had to ask you for your opinion. I have prepared three articles "If I Were a Boy", "Ring the Alarm" (But it still needs polishing), and "Broken-Hearted Girl". I worked on BHG yesterday and enjoyed it. But do you think it is too small for FAC? In other words, will the length of the article be an obstacle? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:01, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I'd say "If I Were a Boy"is the best of the three. And as a song, its the most culturally significant. Orane (talk) 08:09, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay Orane but please tell me, is length an issue (referring to BHG)? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

No, length not an issue. Article is concise and focused. No one will object to it. Try adding a paragraph to the "Live" section. Orane (talk) 08:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Another one? Okay, I will do my best. :D In fact, I spent all the majority free time expanding the article yesterday. Sources are very limited. Nevertheless, I will search. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Loo, why do I feel I am always the one writing essays on your talk page? :)) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

lol. no problem with your essays hahha. If not another paragraph with the article, try fluffing up the current paragraph. Talk about how she rarely performs it live, and only does so on the tour. Describe that she sings it right after/before "Smash into you" and talk about how her dress (white) has to do with the performance, if there's any info on that. Orane (talk) 08:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Great idea. Yes, I think I have seen these types of comments in reviews. Thanks. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:36, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

(Don't know if you are still here) Is this reliable? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Woah, you like "Super Bass"? Lol, in my opinion, that's the worst and most mainstream song of 2011. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 19:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I happen to like that song WP ;-) lolz I believe it was one of her best besides "Your Love". Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 19:46, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

"Superbass" is actually quite good. I learned the rap to the second verse lmao. It's so funny. And, User:AJona1992, I actually don't like "Your Love" that much. But "Right Thru Me" is awesome. And Jivesh, musicOMH is a very credible source. You can definitely use it. Orane (talk) 22:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The times musicOMH has been removed from Rihanna articles because it is "unreliable"! So annoying! Aaron • ^{You Da One} 23:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

You'll feel insulted if I tell you that she makes hip hop--my favorite music--look awful. "Super Bass" is too "pop" for my liking. I hate pop. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 23:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Calvin, MusicOMH is a very reliable British music webzine. It's used by metacritic, has professional reviews, and listed at Wikipedia:ALBUM/REVSIT as acceptable. And WP:Penguin, I'm not insulted. Your taste is your taste lol. But to be honest, mainstream isn't synonymous with inferiority. If you like an act that's underground, would you stop liking them if they became successful? Orane (talk) 23:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I know I've used it before, but various people removed it. "Grossly unreliable" were the words used I think. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 23:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, they're wrong. Reinstate the sources if you wish. Orane (talk) 23:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

It was quite a while ago now. I think I used them for Rihanna's Fading and Skin. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 23:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Definitely not, but my distaste of the song was probably influenced by how overplayed it was, plus how I didn't like it in the first place. I also see it a bit of a pity that the same styles of music are what are the most commercially successful; that's why Adele's rise surprised me. Her style is just not as prevalent as it once was. :) —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 23:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

So, a couple questions then: Who is your favorite mainstream artist? Also, do you hate all of Minaj's songs or just "Super Bass"? I was surprised by Adele's success too, but she's just the right mixture of mainstream and indie, so no one feels alienated. I had a friend who only listens to Alt rock and The Beatles, and he came up to me and asked if I knew about "some chick" named Adele (apparently he saw the video for "RITD" and fell in love). Basically, she attracts the "music snobs". But to agree with you, pop music is at its worst. When people like Gaga and Justin Bieber are on top, you know there's something wrong. Orane (talk) 00:05, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I think the only reason why Gaga is up on top is because of her followers: the LGBT community who has nobody to look up too. Though I'm part of the community and dislike her songs mostly because they aren't the songs that make my hair's stick up. Example "My All" by Carey and "Halo" by Beyonce. Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:11, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I disagree to an extent that the gay community has nobody to look up to. There are a lot of people that they can look up to. People who have done more for them than release dance-pop songs for them to buy (I don't know. maybe I' downplaying the extent of what she's done). But there are many other activist that they can idolize. Orane (talk) 00:23, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I have not heard enough of her songs to tell you that I completely dislike her. I'm yet to hear something from her that I really like though. Favorite mainstream artist... that's tough. Artists are "mainstream" at one point and not so much another time. If you consider Eminem mainstream, I guess that's your answer. I can completely understand why anyone would dislike Gaga; to be honest, I've received her favorably and unfavorably. I like her new singles (minus "Judas") but I love songs that she actually sings in and not just speak or make strange voices. Her vocal ability is amazing. "The Edge of Glory" almost made me cry, too beau. To conclude, love it or hate it, she really does deserve the respect for all the activism and work she does.

With regard to Adele, I don't like her videos (too simplistic), but her voice and music writing: slaying. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 00:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Well for a "pop singer" - is what I mean. Yeah there are other people who have done more for the community, but I currently don't know any of their names lolz (sad I know) but nonetheless, she is extremely popularized by LGBT people. Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

To WP:Penguin, I think the video for "Rolling in the Deep" is one of the best of the year, and should win the Grammy for best music video. If you want reasons, I'll give you lol. And to AJona, you're probably right. Gay men love their divas. But I think that many in the gay community need to be educated about the many non-musicians who work tirelessly behind the scenes to help the cause. So when Gaga is singing "Born This Way" and making millions by singing about the community, there are others who are organizing demonstrations and petitioning the government for gay rights, and judges who overrule prop 8 in California etc. Orane (talk) 00:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

PS: "Edge of Glory" is kinda meh. Her best vocals for me is "Speechless". Orane (talk) 00:38, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Completely forgot about that one. So emotional. And the writing inspiration was her father's heart complications. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 00:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I criticize her a lot, but unlike Madge and Britney Spears, she actually has the vocal talents to back up her craziness. I at least respect her for that. Although, to be honest, if she wins any Grammys over Adele, I can't guarantee that I won't come here and vandalize her WP page. :P Orane (talk) 00:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Although you didn't ask, I deconstructed the "Rolling in the Deep" video during a previous conversation with Nathan, and decided to paste an excerpt here for you hahah (yeah...I know):

..."If you listen to the lyrics, and watch the video, the number of symbols and understated imagery in the video are simply breathtaking. A few obvious examples: many believe that the fact that she sits on a chair works to the video's disadvantage. But I don't think a more appropriate video concept could have been achieved here. The song is about Adele's lover leaving her, and she laments how they could have had it all. The video shows her sitting all by herself in a dimly lit room in a large, broken-down, old house-- this signifies loneliness, desertion and abandonment. Her sitting down symbolizes hopelessness and despair. She hardly moves throughout the video: her movement is intentionally confined; there's nothing she can do about the situation; she's given up. The abandoned house and dilapidated furniture symbolize things that could have been; broken home/dreams. We see dishes breaking-- this symbolizes anger, rage (stereotypically, women throw/break dishes when they're furious-- Rihanna even has a song about it lol called "Breaking Dishes"), but the number of dishes symbolize the serious, almost apocalyptic, nature of her situation (an idea that is strengthened with the burning city at the video climax). Water symbolizes calmness and tranquility. In an interview, she said the beat of the drum in the song symbolized her racing heartbeat. As the drum beats in the video, the water (which represents her initial calmness) begins to jerk and ripple with the rhythm of the drum, suggesting increased agitation, emotional disturbances (which match the lyrics as she sings about a fire burning in her heart, reaching a fever pitch etc...) If you ask me, ambiguity and subtlety is far more effective than giving birth in space lol. Orane (talk) 00:58, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

This is just an excerpt?! Dear me. No, don't continue. I've heard enough, lol. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 01:09, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Lol, yeah, I know what you mean. But the point I was trying to make is that I disagree with your criticism of her videos being overly simplistic. I was able to unpack all this from it. And I could do the same for "Someone Like You" lol. When Gaga would make a nine-minute action video for a song about a clingy boyfriend ("Telephone"), where the only connection to the song is a telephone hairpiece she sports when she's in the diner, Adele's music video, like the song, is more true to life. It's more substance, less flash and less style. Orane (talk) 01:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming the reputability of the source Orane. Didn't I tell you the sections I start always become essays?!! Hehehehe. :D And wow at the RITD video analysis. Thanks for helping me get rid of my ignorance. Now, I can definitely agree that it is a good, in fact a very good video. Last but not the least, it seems I have popularized the word slayed here. :P @Jona, happy to know you like love a Beyonce song. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:12, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah, we had a full on conversation lol. T'was fun. But glad I could update you on "Rolling in the Deep". People underestimate it, and it frustrates me. Maybe it's also because I majored in English and Literary Criticism in uni lol. And yes, "slayed" is surely spreading. Funny word lol. Orane (talk) 09:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Lol for the word. And no Orane, the song is something I will not even dare to underestimate. But I never knew the video had so many interesting references. :D Sorry for late reply. I did not know you were around. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

This certainly helps color my view of Adele's artistry. I had never payed close attention to her videos. I would also like to add that although Adele has commendable talent, her melodies aren't very catchy imo. This isn't comparing with Lady Gaga lol. It just does not make me hooked to her songs; I'll fall in love with them the first fiew times I hear them, but then they're only tolerable. ;-)

On a different note, I've done some thorough work on the first few sections of the "Love the Way You Lie" article and did some heavy trimming. Legolas promised to give some input on the Composition too. Could you kindly put the article on your queue of things to look at? I'd gratefully appreciate a look at the Music video section. I've tried my best to remove the tabloid cruft. Thank you! —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:53, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

WP, I kind of agree with you. I think I would like her to try a different theme for her next album. Something more happy, about love, etc. You know what I mean, right!!! Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Her boring emo music is clearly working for her lol. Orane (talk) 19:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Her music is not boring Orane. :P We never said that. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:40, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I was joking lol. But many consider her boring. I was reading an article in which they called her "Adull". lmao. @Penguin: Will look at "LTWYL" today or tomorrow. Same to you Jivesh :). Orane (talk) 19:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Lol, I know. :D She is not boring but I think she should re-invent herself for her next album. :) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I found a good Nicki Minaj song: "Fly" feat. Rihanna. Many people don't pay attention to the lyrics and theme, but I do. This song is perfect and it's--most importantly--real. I hope she can always make songs like this; the lyrics are what hip hop is about. Plus, even though I don't like Rihanna, her vocals fit so well here. Finally a song not about her sexual desires xD, or one with so much electropop arrangement that the vocals lose their beauty. The video's imagery and aesthetic are breathtaking too. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 21:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Did what I could for each article. Let me know what else is needed. For Penguin, the comments are left on the talk page. Great job. Its still a little long IMO. Just watched the video and was reminded of how much I liked it. Fox and that guy are hot together hahhaha.

And for Jivesh, the section didn't need much editing in my opinion. It was really well written. I watched the video on youtube and it's actually quite layered. Not sure if you can find any sources to support it, but my idea is that she drove to the beach to reminisce about her relationship and gain some perspective. And the flower is a symbol of their union. And she must mend their relationship, just as she did with the petals. And, so, reassured of her love for him and not wanting to be "broken-hearted", she drives back to him. Orane (talk) 04:42, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

You are the best. Always slaying with those explanations. :D Thank you. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Could please take a very quick look at the composition and tell me if you are satisfied the music sample rationale? Please. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

It's adequate, but may be challenged. Aim for more specificity. What exactly does the particular sample add to the article, and how is it used? Orane (talk) 18:42, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you for your guidance. I will do that. Did you check the prose there? Is it satisfactory? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:45, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Orane please give me a good sentence for this: "Like the woman is reluctant to commit as she is not sure that her man will also be as committed as she is. In other words the don't value the relationship similarly". Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:48, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Is this for "Broken-Hearted Girl"? Is it a sourced point? Orane (talk) 18:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

It's Knowles vision of the song. Penguin is telling me to include it but IO am reluctant as he contradicts critics. According to Knowles, "Broken-Hearted Girl" is conceptually about the a woman's fear of the downside of love and the reluctance to commit as she does not have the certitude that her love interest values their relationship as she much as she does<-- I thought of this. I really need your opinion on this mess. :D Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:57, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

You've got me confused. What do critics say? How does Penguin contradict critics? Anyway, the sentence as you've written is structurally sound: "Lyrically, Broken-Hearted Girl" is about a woman's fear of the downside of love, and her reluctance to commit due to the uncertainty of her lover's commitment to their relationship..." or something similar to that. Orane (talk) 19:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Not Penguin. Lol. Beyonce. Actually she told the song is about the fear of commitment but according to critics, she is already cheated on in the song. You get what I mean?

You’re the only one I wish I could forget

The only one I’d love enough to not forgive

And though you break my heart, you’re the only one

And though there are times when I hate you

Cause I can’t erase

The times that you hurt me

And put tears on my face

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:20, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Gotcha! lol ok, then. The sentence should be fine. Orane (talk) 19:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for re-assuring me. :D I am just a bit worried about the reviewers. I mean how they will feel about having Beyonce's interpretation and then the critcs' one. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:29, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank You...

		*****************The Beyoncé Knowles WikiProject Thanks You*****************
		I, Jivesh, thank you wholeheartedly for your much appreciated help and copy-edits on "Halo", which is now an FA. Your kind and encouraging words helped me even more (morally). May God bless both you and the day I came across a kind and helpful person like you on Wikipedia. -> Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi

Hello Orane. Hope you are doing good these days. Saw your work on 21, I must say its really good. That album really deserves a featured article status. Anyway, I plan to nominate "Unfaithful" for FA, but obviously I would like to improve its prose. Could you possibly look at it and left some comments on its talk page? I would be grateful. — Tomica (talk) 00:10, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Will do, as soon as I get the chance. Over the next couple days. Orane (talk) 06:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Orane, you know better than me that I am not very good at prose. But I will be happy to check those references. I will also have a look at the prose but I won't be able to highlight all the issues as I have said. :) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:39, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Have you listened to these songs?

In light of your explanation about the "overtly sexual and sonically bombastic music industry" comment at the PR, have you heard of "I'd Die for this Dance" by Nicolette Larson and "Going to Santa Fe"? They're both from the '80s, and they're a pleasure to listen to. I'm not sure about you, and that I'm not a extremely passionate music fan like Jivesh, but I find the music very peaceful and very emotional :'( I'm surprised they don't have their own respective articles. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 11:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

PS. Have you joined the CUP?

No, I've never heard of these songs, but after just listening to them, they seem pretty good. I actually am a huge music enthusiast. Huge. And I actually like all type of music from different eras: 1980s, 1990s and the "bombastic" dance music that they make today. It depends on my mood, I guess. No, I haven't joined the Wikicup. Except for the free period that I have now (I'm kinda on vacation from work), I don't have a lot of free time for Wiki. Orane (talk) 19:23, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Great! You're like me. I don't not actually a massive massive fan of any one singer/band, but I usually listen to one song at a time, for a few days, and then move on. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 05:52, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I do have my musical obsessions (Adele, Kings of Leon, Camera Obscura, Beyonce, Amy Winehouse, Kanye West) but I think that my taste is still very varied. To be honest though, I hate asking people "what do you listen to" and have them reply "everthing". Because I always think that despite a wide range, there has to be that one singer/band who seems to now exactly what you're feeling. Orane (talk) 00:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh great, I like AW too. BTW, how about this song, have you heard of it? I really like the beats and the drums, and since it's foreign, I don't have to worry about the lyrics, just the music. Wonder if it has an article.... (It's no good if you hate rock.) --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 08:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Peer review limits changed

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While we have been able to eventually review all PRs that remain on the backlog, something had to change. As a result of the discussion here, the consensus was that all users are now limited to one (1) open peer review request.

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Hey

Thanks for supporting and copyediting. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 11:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

No problem. It deserves the gold star. Orane (talk) 12:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

And The Emancipation of Mimi really is the best album ever to be produced. Lol. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 12:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll settle for one-of. It really is an amazing album though, and completely restored my faith in her. Orane (talk) 12:09, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

That is what her next album needs to be like. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 12:18, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Daniel Penniman

Works for Columbia Records/Sony Music Entertainment. Was experimenting with adding credits so when the albums go up that he is given credit for it will be easy to do. No harm done. Everything changed/altered can be changed back. (Dpennyc (talk) 06:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC))

Singer-songwriter

Hi, how are you doing? How are your endless endeavors to fix all the bios that cite their subjects as singer-songwriters incorrectly coming along? I've noticed you do not log in to your account when editing recently, why is that? Just wondering... you can always make an alternate account if you are on the road. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 11:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Endless endeavor to fix the incorrect singer-songwriter tags are tedious lol. But I just hate seeing them, so I keep at it. The reason why I never log in is pretty stupid. I recently got a new computer, and for some strange reason the font changes when I log in to Wikipedia. The text get really large and ugly, and when I try to change it through the browser (font size) or through "ctrl +/-", it's either too small or too large. But when I log out, it looks better (yeah... I know. weird). So I just keep out. I log in to check my messages, though. Orane (talk) 20:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, I just saved you one less page to deal with, haha. Interesting reason for not log in. I was afraid you would never read my message because you would not log in. (Talkback!) —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 20:36, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead

Rub it in. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:24, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Reception revision

Hi. Since you seem to be the main contributor to 21 (Adele album), I thought I should let you know I made significant changes to its reception section. Along with some added prose, I clarified the lead-in statement and replaced the revscores with ones I think are more notable publications and more accurate to the majority of scores. I checked the article's history, thinking I had edited there before, and turned out I made a similar change that was reverted, which was the lead-in statement. I checked both RS and Metacritic sources, and since they both have aggregate-like scores for the albums, clarified the sources in prose: both scores are close to each other, so I thought "well-received by music critics" would be more appropriate than "garnered general praise", which seems like a stretch to me. Dan56 (talk) 04:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I reverted what you just did to the article, because you seem to be missing some key points about the Rolling Stone article. The RS reviews that they gave out of 200 was a score that was averaged from both her albums (for example, Metacritic did not give 21 a 72, as the RS article states). Read the entire RS article before you add it to the article please. Also, sources there are reputable. You can alter them if you want, but The New York Times and Rolling Stone should not be removed. Actually, I think the section is good as is. Orane (talk) 04:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

So what? The one line by this one source noting the "acclaim" the album received should be interpreted as "garnered general praise"? I'm going to just bring this to the talk page and ask other editors their thoughts, instead of a revert with a big fat "no". Thanks. Dan56 (talk) 05:01, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I remember we had this discussion once. And I told you that metacritic is not the be-all-end-all of reviews, because they are selective in which scores they collected. We had agreed upon this. I don't know why you've now chosen to rehash this point. Orane (talk) 04:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I opened a talk page post proposing my changes. I hope a comprimise can be reached, or at least my changes can be entertained. Dan56 (talk) 05:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

It's all good. Thanks. Dan56 (talk) 02:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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Missing My Baby

Hey :) do you think the article is now ready for FAC? Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 13:36, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

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RE: 21

Noticed you reverted my changes from a while ago. I explained them again and made further changes, explaining them here. Dan56 (talk) 06:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Would you mind commenting here as well? I'm not sure about whether or not executive producers should be credited in the infobox, as the template page's example doesnt do so. Dan56 (talk) 02:42, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Peer review

Hi. Since you give comments on music-related articles that are listed at WP:PR, I was wondering if you could give some helpful comments to Wikipedia:Peer review/Cher/archive1? Thanks, Lordelliott (talk) 04:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Adele

Hi Journalist. About the Adele thing, I don't believe there is an entry which precludes use of the term "singer-songwriter". I changed it from singer-songwriter to singer and songwriter because it seems to have a better flow in the lead than singer-songwriter since its term is associated with folk singers. Back in February, you reverted my here on the Florence Welch article with the explanation that she is not a singer-songwriter but a singer and songwriter. Is it any different from Adele? TheOnlyOne12 (talk) 01:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

My apologies for the Florence Welsh revert. You were wright, and she actually does fit the definition of a singer-songwriter, as does Adele. And singer-songwriter is not necessarily genre-restricted, btw. Orane (talk) 22:09, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy new year!

	Happy new year!
	May 2013 bring lots of happiness and perhaps a change for the better here on Wikipedia. I hope 21 (Adele album) will one day be an FA; this year I hope. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 03:40, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Indeed it has. Well my article... has disillusioned me a little. I really think I've bitten off more than I can chew with this one but I'm still determined. Not only that: Wikipedia's distracting me from studies in my crucial years of school. Anyway, I hope this year goes well for you and your plans. Don't worry about 21. Your work's not gone unnoticed. All the best, Penguin. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 00:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

		Best wishes for the New Year!
		Wishing you and yours a joyous, healthful, and productive 2013! Please accept a belated thank you for the well wishes upon my retirement as FAC delegate this year, and apologies for the false alarm of my first—and hopefully last—retirement; the well wishes extended me were most kind, but I decided to return, re-committed, when another blocked sock was revealed as one of the factors aggravating the FA pages this year. Maintaining standards in featured content requires vigilance, dedication and knowledge of people like you, who are needed; reviews are always welcome at FAC, FAR and TFA requests. Somehow, somehow we never ever seem to do nothin' completely nice and easy, but here's hoping that 2013 will see a peaceful road ahead and a return to the quality and comaraderie that defines the FA process, with the help of many dedicated Wikipedians! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Asgardian_appeal

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Main page appearance: Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)

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"Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" is a song by American recording artist Beyoncé Knowles from her third studio album, I Am... Sasha Fierce (2008). It was the album's lead single alongside "If I Were a Boy", contrasting Knowles' persona as herself and her aggressive onstage alter ego Sasha Fierce. Inspired by her secret marriage to Jay-Z in April 2008, the song explores men's unwillingness to commit, a topic that motivated Knowles to write "Single Ladies". It is a dance-pop song with R&B, dancehall, disco and bounce influences. According to the lyrics, the female protagonist is in a club to celebrate after a recent end to a poor relationship; her former lover is also present. The song and the repeated refrain, "If you like it then you should have put a ring on it", are directed to him. Critics praised the song for its smooth production. "Single Ladies" won three Grammy Awards, including Song of the Year. It peaked at number one on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart. The accompanying music video was shot in black-and-white and features the J-Setting dance choreography inspired by "Mexican Breakfast", a 1969 routine choreographed by Bob Fosse. The award-winning video has been parodied and imitated around the world. (Full article...)

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Long time have not heard from you

Hi my friend. How are you? Long time we have not talked. :D Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:40, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, everything at present seems fine but better not talk about the last few days. :P Yes, I am very excited for the album but it's strange how she has not released the lead single yet when the album is dropping next month. Wow, you have got the tickets? Fantastic. I highly doubt Beyonce will ever come to my country. I think I will have to travel to another country to watch her concert live but I will surely do it someday. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

It bops hard. I never imagine Beyonce singing something like that but I like it. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:45, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks for this. You are amazing. :D Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. How have you been? I'm doing good. Just dying with anticipation waiting for this album. Orane (talk) 23:25, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

i am fine, thanks. Well, the album looks like it is never coming out. :P Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:10, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Beyoncé recent comments

Thanks for these. It's so full of fancruft, it needs constant watching.--Aichik (talk) 21:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

The bit about changing "ventured further into acting" with Dreamgirls needs to be changed back. She'd already done Fighting Temptations and the Austin Powers movie by that point. thanks--Aichik (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Beyoncé FAC

Hello, so do you think Beyoncé Knowles could be a FAC? I have never worked on a FA or been involved in the process before and so I know little about it. Are there any sections/areas that would be particularly problematic/need working on? —JennKR | ☎ 10:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

CIBC

Your user page says you are an admin. Is that true?
If so, this edit is extraordinarily inappropriate.
If not, this edit is inappropriate.
I await your response, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:33, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I have absolutely no reason to lie on my user page. So yes, I am an Admin. What baffles me, however, is why you seem to take my edit to that page so personal, mischievously labelling my edit as "vandalism", reverting me without even engaging in discussion, and then rudely approaching me on my talk page to call me "inappropriate" and "await my response"? Who exactly do you think you are? If you're unsatisfied with my edit, all you have to do is say so (in a respectful manner), then explain why (with adequate policy support). I do not answer to you on Wikipedia, and it's this type of attitude that has led me to become frustrated (even disgusted) with the project.

But to answer your question, CIBC refers to the bank/company/organization. When users search for that acronym, they're looking for information about the bank. If you google the letters CIBC, it returns information about the main bank. That's what we call the bank in Canada. That's where I work. I know this. It's beyond me why you have a page that directs "CIBC" to a list of departments/buildings within the bank, instead of taking users to that page about the actual bank, with links to the various departments (that's what I did when I pasted the different uses of CIBC on the dab page, with a link to this dab page at the top of the article about CIBC). Orane (talk) 18:28, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm astounded by your reply. I assume you have read WP:NPA and WP:AGF?

The Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce is not the only user of the abbreviation CIBC, and there are many millions of Wikipedia users who do not associate CIBC with the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce.

I deduce from all those words above you are claiming that the primary use of CIBC is Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce.

If my deduction is correct, more appropriate behavior from you would be to say this, and to document your edits accordingly. Pdfpdf (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

P.S. Why didn't you just move CIBC to CIBC (disambiguation) and then edit CIBC? Such a process is unambiguous, and entirely appropriate for an admin; in fact, can only be done by an admin when the target page can not be overwritten. Pdfpdf (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

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In case you didn't know, I have nominated "S&M" for FAC once again. It is the tenth nomination. I have collaborated with the co-nominator on the article, and it has been through a Peer Review, of which several people who are experienced with the process gave help. As you opposed my sixth nomination, I would appreciate it if you would re-read the article and give your opinion on how you feel about the article now over at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/S&M (song)/archive10. Thank you.  — AARON • ^TALK 10:25, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Hey Orane. How's it going? I'm once again extremely grateful for your help on "Love the Way You Lie". Better late than never with that article becoming an FA, but it couldn't have happened without you! Once again, thanks. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh heyyy1!!! I wasn't even aware that it was nominated. I've been so out of touch with Wikipedia hahah. Congratulations. It is a great article and well-deserved and I know you worked hard! Orane (talk) 01:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

4

Hello, some copy-editing by fresh eyes has been done to 4 in the past few months since the FAC closed and I have also started looking over the sections again in the hope of putting it up for nomination again. Do you have any time to look at the page and see if there are any outstanding prose issues that need to be resolved? Regards —JennKR | ☎ 22:09, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Yep, will take a look as soon as I can. Orane (talk) 01:33, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

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Happy New Year! Wishing you health, happiness and success for 2014 and beyond! Happy editing :-) —JennKR | ☎ 18:33, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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I just had a minor run-in with Sherlock502, and editor I noticed you blocked recently. He made a personal threat when I removed a genre descriptor from the infobox for Person of Interest (TV series). POI is one of those shows that tends to collect a lot of genre descriptors depending on which editor sees what, so it's become easier to use the simplest and most obvious descriptor: crime drama. I recently removed thriller, which CBS uses in one of its descriptions of the show on its website (although not in its press releases, and not consistently.) He responded with a threat that "something would happen" to any editor who removes it. I've put a gentle warning on his talk page, allowing for his being new, but thought I'd give you a heads up since you have already blocked him once, and seemed to take an interest in correcting his behavior afterward. Hopefully the warning will do the job. --Drmargi (talk) 19:20, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Listen. I just want to say I am so sorry. You know I will never make personal threats or hurting anyone. All I am doing is set something right for the greater good. Hopefully you'll forgive me for what I did. What do you say? Can you accept my apology? Sherlock502 (talk) 22:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I accept your apology, and I want you to recognize that statements such as you made are a problem that you should not repeat. I know you can't hurt anyone because you don't know who we are. What I'm less confident about is that you won't make threats again. You've edited here less than a month and already have been blocked once, plus you've demonstrated an aggressive editing style several times. That's just not acceptable, and you're going to have to show the community that you're capable of editing that is collaborative, civil and without giving other editors an ultimatum or by making threats. You are not the final word regarding content, and need to accept that. --Drmargi (talk) 22:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

You know I may be a bit rebellious regarding rules around here on Wikipedia, but I don't like when criticism hits abroad my shoulders. I just want you to understand what I am saying. Sherlock502 (talk) 23:04, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

If that is a case, I'll try to work on my part on being "civil" in talk page discussions. Now if there is nothing to be said, I bid you good day. Sherlock502 (talk) 23:30, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

4/Beyoncé

Thank you for your work on 4 which was promoted to FA last week—you helped considerably in salvaging content I removed when I condensed the article down from its previous state and key in ensuring the prose of that article was brilliant. I've been working on the "Recording" section of Beyoncé (album) and was wondering if you had any ideas of how I can improve this section? There are even less sources this time round and as a result, I think the content lacks the structure 4 had in terms of information on how and where things were recorded. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Cheers, —JennKR | ☎ 16:44, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Congrats on the promotion. I know you worked hard on it. Glad I could help out, however small. As for the new article: give me a bit of time. I'll provide some feedback when I can, on the article talk page. Orane (talk) 23:28, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I was going to notify you soon as I still think it could do with some refining. Also, what do you think of the "Recording" section? The lack of sources has made it difficult to give it the structure 4 had. —JennKR | ☎ 02:44, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

A couple refining here and there may be in order, but it's nothing that pops out at you. I am very impressed by it. I'll take a look at the recording section as soon as I have the chance. Orane (talk) 23:28, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hello Journalist, I managed to get Beyoncé up to GA with a view to taking it to FA at some point. Do you think you could take a look over it? I found the Visuals section particularly difficult to write and I feel like it's lacking something—do you know what it could be? Best, —JennKR | ☎ 00:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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Inactive administrators are encouraged to rejoin the project in earnest rather than to make token edits to avoid loss of administrative permissions. Resources and support for reengaging with the project are available at Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention/administrators. If you do not intend to rejoin the project in the foreseeable future, please consider voluntarily resigning your administrative permissions by making a request at the bureaucrats' noticeboard.

Thank you for your past contributions to the project. — JJMC89 bot 00:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Suspension of administrative permissions due to inactivity

Established policy provides for removal of the administrative permissions of users who have not made any edits or logged actions in the preceding twelve months. Because you have been inactive, your administrative permissions have been removed.

Subject to certain time limits and other restrictions, your administrative permissions may be returned upon request at WP:BN.

Thank you for your past contributions to the project. — xaosflux ^Talk 00:01, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Hello, Journalist, I see you made some edits this month. Since you were only recently de-sysoped for inactivity, you might want to consider making a re-sysop request if you plan to be active again. See also WP:RESYSOP.  JGHowes  ^talk 13:53, 26 August 2019 (UTC)