User talk:AzulPM

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Speedy deletion nomination of Managed Runtime Initiative

A tag has been placed on Managed Runtime Initiative, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Help

Hi. I moved your help request over here, so that you'll be automatically alerted to the reply.

This article got deleted due to unambigious promotion. I am wondering though, what I need to change, as this is not a product placement or promotion. This is "equivalent" to the IceTea project and very similar to Open JDK, which both have articles here at wikipedia.

Appreciate help and comments on why this got rejected and what needs to be removed / changed.

The article is clearly about an OPEN SOURCE INITIATIVE not a product or a company.

Thanks for help!

AzulPM (talk) 14:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re. User:AzulPM/Managed Runtime Initiative

Articles need independent reliable sources - see WP:VRS.

Please read WP:FIRST. You need to give references, to show that a topic is notable.

It looks like the current article comes from the organization itself, presumably - a primary source. Secondary sources are required - newspaper articles, books, magazines.

A lot of it is not neutral, e.g. that expose new functionality and interfaces, which are needed and used by the enhanced OpenJDK runtime project or enhancing interfaces and functionality across vertical components - - these are opinions, not facts. It's also 'marketing speak' - it does sound like an advert, not like an Encyclopaedia entry.

The "goals" is probably not suitable encyclopaedic content, unless it has been widely publicized by independent sources - see WP:NOT.

If you are involved with the organization, then we recommend you do not write about it, due to the conflict of interest - see the business FAQ.

I am sorry to give such negative feedback, but at least it is honest and tells you the issues. The above problems are why we strongly recommend not editing with a conflict-of-interest; if you were editing an article you were not involved with, it would all be much, much simpler.

I highly recommend that you work on some other articles for a while - anything, from making minor edits and improvements, right up to writing an article - on any subject that you are not involved with. Try Wikipedia:Cleanup, perhaps.

It may seem odd that it is preferable to write about something you don't know much about - but it does actually make sense; if you wrote about e.g. Tanna karenkonis (assuming you don't know much about Cicada), then you'd have to be neutral, because you'd be relying on information found in reliable sources - which is why I, who also know nothing about them, was able to create Tanna japonensis - I googled, found a couple of books in the library, and it was great fun.

Wikipedia really is a wonderful place, but you have hit upon one of the hardest areas to deal with; I hope you will give it more of a chance, and edit some other articles.

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The last of those is particularly useful - please try it; pop in now and say hello. Chzz ► 15:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I appreciate the feedback and quick help. I will ask someone independent to publish a more encyclopedic definition of the project and request to publish it. There are not yet many articles on results from the project, but a lot of people writing articles and blogging about the initiative (Google search: managed runtime initiative), they are validating the project and also giving comments on the code. Don't know if you are looking for othe proof points than that?

Again, thanks for help and feedback.