User:Rosguill/Kamilalibhat NPPSCHOOL

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Make sure you read through Wikipedia:Notability as that's the knowledge which most of the questions I ask you and tasks you do will revolve around.

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Notability

PART 1

Questions

Question 1

In your own words, how is notability defined on Wikipedia?

Notability may be defined as the criteria that judges whether an topic has enough coverage of reliable resources to merit it's own article on Wikipedia. If the topic has enough coverage of resources like books, journals, newspapers, etc, the topic is said to be notable. Kammil ⟨talk⟩ 05:43, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Y

Question 2

Would step by step instructions on "How to change a car tire" be considered a notable topic in Wikipedia? Why or why not?

No it will not be considered a notable topic on Wikipedia because Wikipedia is not a manual or guidebook. Kammil ⟨talk⟩ 05:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Y

Question 3

What are the differences between the WP:GNG and the subject-specific notability guidelines? How do we determine which one to use when patrolling an article?

Subject specific notability guidelines include verifiable criteria about the specific topics such as people, etc. Where as general notability guidelines are the criteria about general topics. Kammil ⟨talk⟩ 08:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

So, say you're reviewing a biography. How would you apply notability guidelines? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I will use both GNG and WP:Notability (people) while reviewing the biography. –Kamilalibhat ⟨talk⟩ 18:15, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Y

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Hello Rosguill, I had a question. I used to ping Pahunkat when I completed my task and he marked then and set up new task. Should I do same here? Cheers, Kammil ⟨talk⟩ 11:35, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Kamilalibhat, no need to ping me, I keep a fairly close eye on my watchlist. If more than a few days go by without me responding then do please ping me, however. Do you want me to ping you? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Rosguill, yes you may! –Kamilalibhat ⟨talk⟩ 17:13, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Kamilalibhat, next section below. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:35, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Subject-specific notability guidelines

1. Please categorize the subject-specific notability guidelines (listed at Category:Wikipedia notability guidelines) into the following three categories

Primarily additional criteria that are likely to indicate notability

• people Y
• sports Y
• web Y
• academics Y
• books Y
• geographic features Y
• astronomical objects Y

Primarily additional considerations that define or restrict the nature of coverage or sources required

• organisations and companies Y
• events Y

Even mix of the previous two categories

• music Y
• films Y
• numbers Y

2. Virtually all SNGs that provide additional notability criteria specify that these criteria may indicate that the subject meets notability guidelines. How would you interpret this caveat as a new page reviewer?

If I will be reviewing an article as a new page reviewer I will make sure that the subject meets both GNG and SNG. All the articles should meet GNG. I will not accept those which doesn't meet both or any one of them. SNG's are the additional criteria to determine whether a specific subject is notable or not. Moving to GNG's, they apply to every article even to any specific SNG criteria whether it is biography, organisation or something else. –Kammill ⟨talk⟩ 17:59, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

N, while your application of GNG is correct, your application of SNGs is a little off. While the exact role of SNGs is a bit controversial right now, the best way to approach them as part of NPP is to treat them as an alternative signal of notability. With the exception of the few SNGs that add specific restrictions to the nature of coverage, subjects are not required to meet a relevant SNG if they clearly meet GNG. For SNGs with subjective criteria (e.g. WP:NACTOR's requirement of "multiple significant roles in notable works"), you should treat the criteria as a signal of notability to be taken into account alongside the available sourcing (e.g., if an actor almost meets GNG and has a weak case for meeting NACTOR, you'd be justified in accepting the article; if the same claim to NACTOR appeared alongside very weak sources, you should proceed to AfD). Finally, if an article meets an SNG, but sourcing is almost nonexistent and other reasons to doubt notability exist, you can consider nominating an article for deletion (e.g. a 2010s single charts low on an obscure Billboard chart such as Ambient, without any other available coverage online) _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:14, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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Rosguill, hello. Two days have passed since I submitted my tasks and you haven't marked them yet. I'm waiting for my next tasks. –Kammill ⟨talk⟩ 15:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Scenarios

For scenarios 1-6 review just based on "subject notability guidelines" (SNG) "alone" for sake of the exercise. Do not consider any sources or other policies. Please answer if the subject meets the SNG guidelines based on the given content below, and specify which notability criteria they meet or fail.

Scenario 1

An editor creates an article about "2024 Summer Olympics" in 2020 without providing any sources

Addition of sources would be better. The topic is notable.

Y, what if someone creates 2036 Summer Olympics? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:28, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Rosguill, if the sources exist, then it good. Otherwise delete it and make it a redirect. --Hulged ⟨talk⟩ 16:48, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Y, although note that converting something to a redirect is not considered deletion, as the content can be restored by any editor using the undo button. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:51, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Scenario 2

A New York city based 2020 start up software company , specializing in data mining, has just received a USD 200K investor fund.

Per WP:ORGCRIT, it is not notable.

Y

Scenario 3

Movsar Evloev who is a Ultimate Fighting Championships fighters with the undefeated mixed martial arts record of 12-0.

Notable per WP:NMMA.

Y

Scenario 4

An upcoming action drama title "Suleiman the Great" based on the the life of Suleiman the Magnificent, which will be in production in January 2021 and to be released on August 2021 in the cinemas.

Per WP:NFF, if the topic have coverage in reliable sources that the film has been/is being commenced, then it is notable otherwise it is not.

Y

Scenario 5

A political candidates, without any previous or current political position, who is running for November 2020 election for a Senator position in United States with multiple local newspapers coverage of his candidacy.

Not notable per WP:NPOL. He hasn't held any office.

Y

Scenario 6

A singer who self produced his first album in May 2019 and his songs are listed in Spotify.

Per WP:NACTOR, he isn't notable.

Y

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Rosguill, once again sorry for my late response. I have completed the tasks. Regards, Hulged ⟨talk⟩ 17:43, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Sources

Background for trainees

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. As such, claims made in articles should be supported by independent (secondary), reliable sources for verification. Please read WP:RS, WP:IS, WP:RSP, WP:V, WP:PROVEIT, WP:Primary, WP:Secondary, and WP:Tertiary. WP:NPPSG may be a useful reference for looking up the reliability of a source that has been discussed before on Wikipedia.

You can contact WP:RX if you could not find the sources yourself either on the web due to paywalls or offline-only sources.

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Exercises

1.

Topic	Definition	5 Examples	Comment by Trainer
Reliable source	Material such as a book, research paper, etc which are published by the organizations or authors related to a specific field. These are not close to the subject.	(example)The Guardian newspaper The Hindu BBC News Time magazine Rising Kashmir The Wire (India)	Y, I think you understand the general concept, but note that The Wire is listed as "no consensus" at WP:NPPSG and I'm not personally familiar with Rising Kashmir.
User generated sources	Sources published by the author itself.	Twitter Facebook Instagram personal website personal blog	Y, although blogs and websites by verified by experts can be reliable
Non Independent source	Sources published by someone close to the subject.	an autobiography personal website interview records comments by someone close book written by a close person	Y

2.

Type	Definition	Examples (15 Primary ; 5 Secondary ; 5 Tertiary)	Comment by Trainer
Primary	those sources which are close to the subject and are written by someone close or involved	(example) scientific journal articles reporting experimental research results official government press releases autobiographies diaries Press TV reporting on Iranian government tweets from the subject itself books or other writings by the subject organization writing about them on their websites personal websites interviews by the subject NASA The Signpost American Community Survey budgam.nic.in writing about Budgam district The Diary of a Young Girl about Anne Frank	Y
Secondary	those sources which are based on primary sources and are written by the people who are not involved in the event	(example) newspaper newspaper articles Altnews.in opinions by someone who isn't close to the subject The Hindu	Y
Tertiary	those sources which are based on secondary and primary sources.	(example) encyclopedias Encyclopaedia Britannica Encyclopaedia Iranica Wikipedia, but it is not a reliable source and can't be used on WP articles as a source The Hustle	Y, I'm not familiar with The Hustle, and at a glance it looks like a web news website, which would typically be mostly secondary coverage.

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• Rosguill, finished the exercise above. --Bears (talk) 10:06, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

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In the tables below, please indicate "y" for yes or "n" for no after "ind", "rel" and "sig" (see first example) and give a brief explanation of why you place "y" or "n" for each source.

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Fallingwater, Mill Run, Pennsylvania (1937)

Frank Lloyd Wright (June 8, 1867 – April 9, 1959) was an American architect, interior designer, writer, and educator. Wright believed in designing structures that were in harmony with humanity and its environment, a philosophy he called organic architecture. His creative period spanned more than 70 years. He works includes The Guggenheim, swirling, snail-shaped museum in the middle of Manhattan. Fallingwater, which has been called "the best all-time work of American architecture." This is one of Wright's most famous private residences (completed 1937), was built for Mr. and Mrs. Edgar J. Kaufmann, Sr., at Mill Run, Pennsylvania. Constructed over a 30-foot waterfall, it was designed according to Wright's desire to place the occupants close to the natural surroundings. The house was intended to be more of a family getaway, rather than a live-in home.

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://nypost.com/2017/06/07/frank-lloyd-wright-was-a-house-builder-and-homewrecker/	The source is major newspaper	The source is reputable published source	The source discusses the subject directly and in detail	✔ Yes
https://franklloydwright.org/work/				? Unknown
https://web.archive.org/web/20080302053743/http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jul2004/nf20040728_3153_db078.htm				? Unknown
https://books.google.com/books?id=KSA1HTTU-eMC				? Unknown
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

References

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Jordan Lennon (born February 22, 2000), is a British film producer and actor. Lennon is currently a member of BAFTA. He continues to work aside 20th Century Fox, Warner Bros, Wicked Wales, Capture Studios, Cineworld, Paramount Pictures, and Rockefeller Foundation.

At age 16, the Vice President of 20th Century Fox, Paul Higginson. Who previously worked on Star Wars, Titanic, and Independence Day took on Jordan and Rowan Snow as a mentor. In December 2018, Jordan and Rowan finished British Film Academy. Jordan lived in Skelmersdale for 10 years before moving to Rhyl, North Wales. He's currently writing 'Stranger in the Night' scrreenplay for Warner Brothers.

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm8902348/				? Unknown
http://www.bafta.org/wales				? Unknown
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-d-98111a125				? Unknown
https://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Jordan-David/				? Unknown
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

References

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Sonny Bill Williams 2010

Sonny William Williams (born 3 August 1985), who is a Muslim, is a New Zealand All blacks rugby union footballer, Williams was a Marist Saints junior when he was spotted playing in Auckland by Bulldogs talent scout John Ackland. In 2002 he was offered a contract and moved to Sydney (as the youngest player to ever sign with an NRL club) to play in the Bulldogs' junior grades.

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7505117/2019-Rugby-World-Cup-Sonny-Bill-Williams-expecting-fourth-child.html				? Unknown
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=1108				? Unknown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/warriors-league-team/news/article.cfm?c_id=360&objectid=10399308				? Unknown
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/01/1096527943523.html				? Unknown
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

References