Talk:Veganism
To view an answer, click the [show] link to the right of the question. Q1: Why does the article distinguish between dietary and ethical vegans? Aren't ethical vegans the only true vegans?
The article makes the distinction because reliable sources make it. See Talk:Veganism/Sources for the dietary veganism distinction for a selection of sources. For example:
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"particularly in diet"
[edit]I know this has been discussed a hundred times but... this isn't a dictionary, this is an encyclopedia. It's ok for a dictionary to reflect how people misuse words, but an encyclopedia should reflect what the word actually means. As I dig deeper all I can see is that The Vegan Society never defined veganism as a diet. They always defined it as a philosophy. Countryboy603 (talk) 17:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It wasn't originally defined as a philosophy, vegan back then just meant "non-dairy vegetarian". Watson's first definition of veganism in 1945 was very simple, "the practice of living on fruits, nuts, vegetables, grains, and other wholesome non-animal products". Veganism as a philosophy was first defined by Leslie Cross in 1951. It's both a diet and a philosophy. Over time it was turned into a philosophy. Most vegans today consider it a philosophy. Nothing wrong with that they can call it what they want, but we can't deny diet has been an important factor. Psychologist Guy (talk) 19:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct, wikipedia is misrepresenting veganism, by suggesting that it is mainly dietary. The usage of "particularly in diet" is completely incorrect.
- The correct definition is: "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals" ~ The Vegan Society
- The wikipedia definition has been incorrect for many years, and they do not appear to allow the page to be corrected. This would have been pointed out to wikipedia many times. After many years of donations, they will not be receiving any more of my money. Begenuine8 (talk) 02:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your definition of veganism is incorrect, and misleading, it has been this way for years, and there is no doubt this has been pointed out to you many times, yet it remains incorrect. Why is this? Veganism is not a diet.
The term veganism was coined by The Vegan Society, their definition is not up for dispute
"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." Begenuine8 (talk) 02:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Vegan Society definition of veganism changed many times in the past. Their original definition of veganism in 1945 was "the practice of living on fruits, nuts, vegetables, grains, and other wholesome non-animal products" [1]. The claims about veganism being a philosophy came years later.
- The line on the article "Veganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products—particularly in diet—and an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals", is accurate per the sourcing. Psychologist Guy (talk) 11:48, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, here is my suggestion for a lead sentence that reflects this without downplaying the other aspects of the lifestyle: "Veganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products and the consumption of animal source foods — and an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals." If a reliable source is needed, I would suggest this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11016330/
- What do you think? --Countryboy603 (talk) 22:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Cureus has a poor academic reception and has been accused of predatory publishing. I doubt many would agree the source qualifies as a good WP:RS. Psychologist Guy (talk) 22:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, here's another source: https://www.academia.edu/3641785/Resisting_the_Globalization_of_Speciesism_Vegan_Abolitionism_as_a_Site_of_Consumer_Based_Social_Change
- Is this a reliable source?
- Countryboy603 (talk) 18:47, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me.IWannaBeSedated24 (talk) 03:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Cureus has a poor academic reception and has been accused of predatory publishing. I doubt many would agree the source qualifies as a good WP:RS. Psychologist Guy (talk) 22:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- What do you think? --Countryboy603 (talk) 22:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, here is my suggestion for a lead sentence that reflects this without downplaying the other aspects of the lifestyle: "Veganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products and the consumption of animal source foods — and an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals." If a reliable source is needed, I would suggest this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11016330/
- FYI the modern vegan society definition is already cited on the article in the "definition" section [2] Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- FYI the contemporary definition of veganism, which has not changed in many years, is the definition that this article should commence with. Anything else is a deliberate misrepresentation of the truth. Veganism is not a diet, vegetarianism is, they are two completely different things. Begenuine8 (talk) 12:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your profile on wikipedia clearly states your bias, as a vegetarian you should remove yourself from any, and all interactions with vegan pages. Wikipedia should be treating them as completely different subjects, since they are.
- Your claim of "objectivity" is a mockery to the premise of Wikipedia. Your sole interest is to pretend that vegetarianism is ethical, deliberately contriving similarities with veganism, and grouping the two together at every opportunity. It is a wonder you do not boast about blocking the correction of this page on your profile, there is still some room for more boasting... Begenuine8 (talk) 12:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your account is likely to be blocked if you continue with that because you are far too aggressive and are making personal attacks. It's not worth responding to your false allegations and misinformation. I founded WP:VV. We already have a definition section of veganism on the article and a lead that is well sourced. WP:CON if you want your suggestions to be added to the article, but doubtful because we have already had this discussion many times before. Check the archives. Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Begenuine8 has been indef blocked for making personal attacks. If any other users want to continue this discussion make sure to suggest good WP:RS. As noted already in the "Definition" section of the article, we do cite the Vegan Society's modern definition of veganism. Psychologist Guy (talk) 15:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your account is likely to be blocked if you continue with that because you are far too aggressive and are making personal attacks. It's not worth responding to your false allegations and misinformation. I founded WP:VV. We already have a definition section of veganism on the article and a lead that is well sourced. WP:CON if you want your suggestions to be added to the article, but doubtful because we have already had this discussion many times before. Check the archives. Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- FYI the modern vegan society definition is already cited on the article in the "definition" section [2] Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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