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The paragraphs I've just added come from an old source whose copyright has expired. I've attempted to verify everything, modernize spelling, and eliminate anachronisms, but I'm sure I haven't succeeded completely. So please update anything I've missed and expand wherever you feel it's necessary.

I've removed the following paragraph from Archaeology as I can not find verification of it. I suspect that either the monuments are no longer in Algeria, or that the spelling of Arabic "walls" given ("jedars") is no longer common, possibly both. Verifying this bit of text is complicated by the fact that the "department of Oran" no longer exists, but is now Mauritania, Morocco, and Algeria (the former "department of Constantine" is now Tunisia, Libya, and Algeria. If you can find the correct spelling of this word and also find if the monuments mentioned remain within the boundaries of present-day Algeria, then please update and restore it.

The Jedars (Arabian "walls" or "buildings") are in the department of Oran. The name is given to a number of sepulchral monuments placed on hill-tops. A rectangular or square podium is in each case surmounted by a pyramid. The tombs date from the 5th to the 7th century of the Christian era, and lie in two distinct groups between Tiaret and Frenda, a distance of 35 miles. Tiaret, an ancient town modernized by the French, can be reached by railway from Mostaganem. Near Frenda, which has largely preserved its old Berber character, are numerous dolmens and prehistoric rock sculptures.

(from Tiaret page)

This is correct. The site of the Djedars is close to Frenda which is a town in the Department (wilaya) of Tiaret. Frenda is situated about 50 Km to the south west of Tiaret City. The monuments still exist and can be visited. Post-cards of the tombs also are on sale in the region.

(from Mostaganem page)

Actually Tiaret cannot be reached from Mostaganem by train. The train link is not functional anymore. Rather Tiaret can be reached by route (several highways). Tiaret can also be reached from Algiers by plane.

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KQ, I think you're going about this exactly the right way. This isn't to say there's anything wrong with uploading totally unedited stuff from the Unnamable encyclopedia, but at some point, we've definitely got to update those entries. What's cool is that, as you're demonstrating, it is possible to update them. --LMS

Thanks. The spellings can generally be figured out; for whatever reason we've tended to change double identical consonants in a word to single ones. And as a sidenote, the preferred spelling of one word is no longer "shat" but "chott."  :-) I'm looking forward to adding countries whose boundaries have not changed in the last 100 years, as I expect them to be much less time-consuming.

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"the "department of Oran" no longer exists, but is now Mauritania, Morocco, and Algeria (the former "department of Constantine" is now Tunisia, Libya, and Algeria."

This is not correct; in fact, the "department of Oran" corresponds to western Algeria, and "department of Constantine" to eastern Algeria. Tunisia, Libya, Morocco, and Mauritania were never integrated into the French "département" structure, as Algeria was. 67.164.10.115 06:04, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I know its does not have MUCH to do with Algeria:A while back I was wathcing an Anime series on Cannal Algerie.Because the credits were in Arabic,I could not tell its name (nor an abrevariation).Its protagonist was a 12-13 year old boy,with black hair,wearing green clothes and fighting.On one ocasion of some tournament he fought a guy in a dark cloack,who shot projectils of some kind against him.He had a friend fighter of the same age a boy with white hair.He had a supervisioning teacher "sensei"(not confirmed) who watched his fights. One of the integral points moved around his (I think) sisiter.They were re-united at the end of the series.The series also featured a big guy(probably android),who could shoot from his fingers. The series first ran after and then before an animated footbal series (an Anime as well I think though I can't confirm completely).Could someone tell me WHAT series I watched? New Babylon

History section

The length of the history section was just about doubled just now. It's only intended to be a brief summary of the main article; bearing this in mind, I suggest that (most of) that paragraph would better be placed in the appropriate History of Algeria series article. - Mustafaa 17:41, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

To be specific, I suggest that it might better belong in French rule in Algeria. - Mustafaa 17:46, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

the history section is little short of ridiculous, considering the rich history of the nation during the 11th to 16th centuries. i would ofcourse be pleased to add to it, but im hardly a historian and could only offer passing judgements. any historians reading this, please add to the section. thx (sep 30, 05)

I saw that Khoikhoi erased the passage in which I wrote that French rule had officialy and actually suppressed slavery in Algeria, although it were one of the most important fact of french colonisation. Why ? For Khoikhoi, all is black or white (see also the chapter "culture"). Is Wikipedia a way of a mere primary propaganda ? (de K/hotonnec)

The paragraph starting with "The French Army subjected village after village..." and the two after that have extremely weird grammar and it is very difficult to understand what is being presented. I would guess that these are translated poorly from French. I don't know much about Algeria, so I hesitate to try and edit them. Perhaps someone else could clean it up a little? Wclapier 06:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The history section needs a lot of just grammatical help. IT feels like it was translated poorly or written by someone who doesn't speak English very well. I guess this is kind of obvious, but yeah. I tried to fix it up a little, but I am not sure if I can even understand some of the sentences in the article. Bigbadbyte 22:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I kind of understand where the reader is coming from, but a lot of ideas have been entered out of time order and other are already mentioned in other paragraphs. I'll try to clean it up. --Djihed 22:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Okey, I just ouright deleted them. They are out of context and very specific, the ideas been discussed to some degree in history of algeria and other sub articles (e.g under ottoman rule). By the way, they've been translated from the french wikipedia [1]--Djihed 22:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Official Name

Isn't the official name "Democratic and Popular Republic of Algeria"? [2][3] —BozoTheScary 21:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The picture in 1 is obsolete. The text in the current Passport is "People's Democratic Republic of Algeria". --Smiley77 21:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

About King Koceila and Queen Kahena

We work here to make history an not politic. The § I added concerning the heroïc Koceila and Kahena has been related by Ibn Khaldoun the greatest historian (the most objective and rational) of the whole Middle age. He was not ashamed to remind, that before the Islam the ancesters of Berberians were either Chrisian or Jewish and were also good warriors.
So I do not understand why that § has been censured. Consequently I retablish it.

Philomax 2Philomax 2 22:20, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Suggest 17 possible wiki links for Algeria.

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Portal

Hi everybody - just announcing a place to encourage Algeria-related articles: Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Algeria. - Mustafaa 20:04, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

population

you have the same population for Algiers and Algeria... there must be an error now. please correct Dingy August 2005

That was either vandalism or mis-understanding by an anon user; the capital's population figure has now been reverted back to its previous value.--cjllw | TALK 00:41, 2005 August 22 (UTC)

What about the violence?

This article reads almost like a tropical paradise. There's almost no mention of the almost 200,000 people who died, why they died, who killed them, and what started it, just a link to the civil war article in the history section. It's also written in such a way that its all an armed group causing problems, and the government is a democratical one. What about the fact that it's an oppresive regime? What about the fact that on their first election in 1990, the other party won, so they canceled the second round to stay in power? What about the widespread belief that many generals from the government are believed to have caused many of the deaths. I modified the paragraph a bit but I think it should be part of the first section, since it's an on going conflict that caused international outrage. Elfguy 18:06, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

what european power took over algeria? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 167.7.248.212 (talk • contribs) .

France. --Hottentot 06:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

See also: 1830. El_C 10:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Arab/Berber

I am Algerian myself,i corrected mant times the paragraph DEMOGRAPHICS,it told we were Berbers in origin however that's not what the Algerian government tells,neither Europeans and Middle Eastern Arabs.Middle Eastern Arabs consider us as Arabs,Sudanese Arabs are mostly black people and are not considered as ethnically Arabs to us.Why do some ignorant people always tell "berbers in origin" while i corrected it many times?the Cia webste tells "berbers in origin" and the ud department of state tells differently,contradictory,Wikipedia tells we are of middle eastern ancestry in the article MAGHREB and in Algeria it tells we are berbers,the people won't take this site serious —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.5.49.45 (talk • contribs) 10:23, 27 December 2005.

I don't understand. Do you want the article to say Algerians are Berber or Arab? I think the best thing is to say that the population is mixed, and that some consider themselves fully Arab, some fully Berber, and some are satisfied that the population is of mainly Berber origins but by now mainly Arab in culture and language (except for in some wholly Berber areas, such as the Kabyle). That also seems to be the view held by most of the sources. Since it is a sensitive subject, politically, I believe WP should mention all these perspectives. Arre 17:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Um, I'm Algerian too, and everyone knows Algerian Arabs are largely of Berber descent, just like Ibn Khaldun said; in fact, genetic studies have confirmed this obvious point (see Berber). That said, the current wording does suggest that there's no Arab ancestry at all, which is also ridiculous. I've tried to come up with a better one. - Mustafaa 19:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I want the article tells "Algerians are mostly of Arab ancestry,80%.A large minority of Algerians are Berbers,20%.Many Algerians are of mixed Arab-Berber stocks."

It is the official version of the US STATE OF DEPARTEMENT. Arre,i saw you were interested by the Arabic World,esspecially Maghreb,where are you from,what origin?Don't answer if you don't wanna.

I dont want to be only Arab of culture,i know i am ethnically Arab and i am proud of my heritage so i want wikipedia to not contradict itself,sometimes we are Arabs,sometimes we are Berbers,Lord noone will take this site seriously.To the Berbers and the Europeans,we are Arabs and we stole Maghreb in the seventh century,lol i want to be a thief then let me be an Arab please.Seriously,let's be serious,imagine if you told to a Yemeni that he is of Ethiopian ancestry,not an Arab?how would a Danish react if some people forced him to be a slavic?They know they are Germanic,imagine how they can feel if you tell them they are slavic,or latin..it doesn't make sense,

I would not be unhappy if i realised i had also Berber blood,but i prefer to be an ARAB because i can't change my identity for some Berbers that wish we were not Arabs,to fight our panarabism...

Mustafa Ibn Khaldoun died in 1406...be realistic,what could he know about what it happenned 800 years ago,when Arabs invaded Maghreb?He was himself an Arab from a YEMENI family that immigrated to the Andalucia,the Arabian spanish kingdom...

Actually you reffer to the article "berber" but it is totally wrong,and it contradicts the other articles of wikipedia,including the french version of "maghreb",that tells "in the past,Middle Eastern Arabs were a minority in Maghreb and are now a majority".i don't know if you are Arab Algerian but i doubt it,I think you're Berber...you tell "everyone knows",but you can't talk representing "everyone",also the official governement of ALgeria tells we are of Arab ancestry,so don't disinform people...and genetic studies according the english version of the article "maghreb" in wikipedia tells most maghrebis are predominantly of MIDDLE EASTERN ancestry,the berber genes are not specific at all.Just compare Berbers with Middle Eastern Arabs,same features,same physical caracteristics.

I don't deny many Arabs mixed with the indigenous BERBER people when they conquered their lands,but their descendants are still Arabs.

'answer to anonymous

i still believe the WP description is more correct, but that does not mean that you are not ethnically arab. if you say you are, i believe that. also, what matters is of course the cultural conception of ethnicity: racial and genetic origins is important only to racists. however, the US state department says the following on arab/berber ethnicities in algeria, which is basically my belief too:

almost all Algerians are Berber in origin, not Arab; the minority who identify themselves as Berber live mostly in the mountainous region of Kabylie east of Algiers; the Berbers are also Muslim but identify with their Berber rather than Arab cultural heritage

please note that the wikipedia article presently allows for more arab heritage than the US state department, which is fine with me.

i am from sweden, but neither arab nor berber. just interested, in the arab world and maghreb in general, but especially in algeria. i hope to be able to visit your (fascinating) country in the future and spend some time there; i've been to tindouf twice before, but then i only met with sahrawis. Arre 20:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

answer to arre:so u think it is more correct if wiki contradicts itself?understand me,wikipedia is not making sense changing its version in every article.you just cited the description of the CIA world factor book,not the us departement of state version( i wonder why these stupid american politicians contradict themselves).See this page please:"Nearly all Algerians are Muslim, of Arab, Berber, or mixed Arab-Berber stock." http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/8005.htm

racial is not only important to racist people,this description is avaible in the west,not in every place of the planet,then don't call me a racist.when you were considered as an Arab by everyone,and when many "racist" people from the western world called you a "filthy Arab" since you were a kid,you don't want to become a Berber,excuse me.I was born in France actually and i never saw an Arab calling himself a Berber,neither in FRANCE or in Algeria.To me the ethnicity is importantbut doesn't mean i am a racist,the west consider the people who are proud of their genetics as racist because the west caused genocides on the base of RACISME and NAZISME(pure race etc)but it doesn't mean we are like the westerners.There are many Arabs of mixed anestry in Sudan and Mauritania,they are a mixture blaks-arabs and i consider them as Arabs.About the negroid black sudanese that consider themselves as ARABS but were obviously arabised,i don't dislike them at all if they feel Arab i consider them as Arabs,not by ethnicity so they are not as much close as an arab moroccan or a palestinian but they're still arabs.And also i like being an Arab because of the mention of the Arabs in the Bible and in the Koran.I am happy to be mentionned as the descendant of Abraham. ;)

It is like the ashkenazi jewish people,they hate when you deny they are Hebrews,because many trukish khazarian people converted to JUDAISM in the middle eage,they don't want to become turkish,i can understand them because they were persecuted as HEBREWS or as "the killers of Jesus"

You were in Tindouf,the famous area that Morocco and Algeria claim as their territory.But Tindouf is not Algeria,the real Algeria is the North,not in the desert,tindouf in algeria is like alaska in the usa,or like "nouvelle calédonie" in france.I am happy you are interested by Algeria,i saw many European tourists there but still not like in Tunisia or Morocco.If you go to Algeria,u should visit ALGIERS,ANNABA,SKIKDA and CONSTANTINE,all are gorgeous.I have heard Oran was nice too,.There is an important roman antic site near Batna(a berber area but it has nothing to do with Kabylie),it is called TIMGAD and is classified as WORLD HERITAGE. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/194/

i read u r interested by the western sahara,i have a question to you,do you think it is good to recognise western sahara as an independant state(as it proclaimed irself)?do you think they should be independant?

Arabs are already enough divided,why would we create a new Arab nation when we are from the same nation,divided throught the centuries?I think Morocco and Algeria should share it because they mess because of this territory,or Morocco should keep it and the conflict will end.But it is only my opinion,in my opinion Algeria Tunisia Morroco and Libya should have united in one unique state for a long time.We are not strong when we are divided and not organised,if we were as the slavic and the germanic,or as the spanish and the british,i could understand why we have so many different states,but we are Arabs and Berbers in every Maghrebi states,we are the same people and don't need to divid.

20 janvier 2005

answer to the above

• first - i'm NOT saying you're racist. i'm saying that genetic distinctions are only important to racists (and genetic scientists, i guess); i have no idea if that applies to you or not.

• second - berber/arab. we should try to find a consensual solution to this, instead of reverting back and forth. i think the article should make room for your opinion, which is the opinion of many: that algerians are basically arab. but it must also make room for the other opinion, which is shared by even more people: that there is a significant non-arab berber minority, and that much of algeria's arab population descends from arabicized bebers. if you have suggestions for how these two opinions can be made clearer - please. but i do believe the latter opinion is the more widely accepted and scientifically viable, and it should be presented as such; but that of course doesn't mean it should be presented as an absolute truth.

• third - tindouf. i know this is not representative of algeria, and that's why i want to go to the north too. inshallah :-)

• fourth - western sahara. a free western sahara should be created in accordance with international law, if the sahrawi people so desires; and more than 30 years of rebellion tells me they do. but if they should chose in a free and honest referendum to become part of morocco, that's fine with me. what polisario demands, and what i wholeheartedly support, is that they should be given the democratic choice that is their right according to international law, and which was in the end granted to both moroccans and algerians, by their colonizers, after their respective struggles for freedom. forcible annexation and occupation is a crime, and never acceptable - not by morocco in western sahara, not by israel in palestine, just as it was not by the french in morocco and algeria, or the germans in france. etc.

• fifth - arab unity. that's fine with me: difficult, but a worthy goal. granting self-determination to the sahrawis (who repeatedly stated they want to participate in such a union after independence) would make maghrebi unity possible, whether they chose independence or morocco. but continued occupation without a political process does not. that has been tried and failed for 30 years now, and neither the problem of western sahara nor the problem of arab unity has come an inch closer to a solution.

• i appreciated your comments, but this is not a debate forum. if you want to continue, we should do so privately, so not to take up the space of other editors! ma'a-s-salaama :-) Arre 17:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Arre,yes it is discussion page and i am sure everyone i interested,there is far enough place dont worry ;)

Arre,exactly i agree with you we have to tell that there are 20% of Berbers,i never denied it and i even wrote it,but trust me most of Berbers admit we are ARABS and not Arabised,that is why we have to tell the opinion of Algerians(Arabs and Berbers),not of people that never went in Algeria such as the western people,when i see how the western medias describe the Algerian society,how their propaganda disinforms their people,i can't think they know anything about our origins... There were Arabised Berbers but they mixed with the other Arabs,and by the way it is not useful to specify some Arabs are Arabised Berbers,it would be a sign of propaganda because they are Arabs for centuries and recognised as Arabs by the ethnically Arab Algerians.As i told you noone will tell Spanish and Italians have some of Arab and Berber genes,it would be ridiculous because they are mostly of European ancestry,what about the Serbians or Greek people that mixed with the Turkish?

About Sahraouis,it has nothing to do with israel in Palestine or France in Algeria.You don't make sense,first they are all Arabs,remember PRUSSIA annexed many German speaking people's territories and it was not seen as a crime,so did Italia when it united in the eighteen century.Sencondly the western Sahara was a part of Morocco before the imperialistic spanish and French governements separated it,so Morocco has the right to restore its sovereignty on its territory.Just like Iraq has the right to restore its sovereignty on kuwait,that was as its part before the imperialistic British separated it.Just like Syria has the right to restore its sovereignty on Lebanon,that was its part before the imperialistic French governement(still them) separated it creating two independant states,making same people kill each other and hating between them.Actually,according to the french history teachers,germany was divided in over 300 states,but it had the right to unite again.France and the other winers(sweden) wanted to make it weak as they divided Arabic world to make it weak.I think (not only me actually,it is the french version) it is the European colonials fault if the western sahara exists and is separed from Morocco,and yet Chirac still continues his imperialism involving his country into Lebanon-Syria affairs while it is his country's fault if there is a conflict.It is also their fault if millions of Africans killed each other because they created strange borders putting 200 different ethnicities in a same country(french teachers themselves tell it is the colonials fault) to serve their agenda:to pillage and steal everything from Africa to bring them in EUROPE(gold,diamands,oil,gas,ant treasures etc) In other words,the imperialistic european governements divided us to serve their agenda(to control,to steal,to dominate US) and we do not need to folow what they dod for us,we rather need to unite AGAIN,Ich A Allah

• arabs/berbers. what do you want to write instead?
• western sahara. so you're in favor of libya annexing algeria too? they're all arabs, anyway, right? i think you need to read a book or speak to a real-life sahrawi, if you believe that france and sweden are responsible for western sahara's independence struggle. my final word on the matter is that arabs are humans, and as such their national communities have the right to self-determination within any recognized boundaries; and to democracy and human rights as individuals. that entails not being forcibly annexed by anyone - not by europeans, and not by other arabs. (or berbers, as the case may be.) Arre 15:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I wrote it many times but you always change it aparently,it is irritating...

Algeria was never a part of Libya,i tell "never",but if it annexes Algeria i would be happy and would make the party,trust me ;).Have you forgotten i was panarab?Yes i am in favour of this annexion!But lets change this dumb libyan president at least ;)

Arabs have the right of self determination?So what?they can't divid the national territory and make it weak,imagine if every swedish area would ask for its independance,the country would be weak then and the swedish governement wouldn't agree.But as i told Morocco already annexed this territory and i think it should keep it.

you don't seem to have heard me,WESTERN SAHARA is and was a part of morocco before the imperialistic european governements (not sweden,u r mistaken?i mentioned sweden ONLY about THE 30 years war with germany) separated it.Morocco has not to hear what u;n(france + uk + usa=imperialistic nations) have to tell.It is its territory and it annexed it.France would have never let morocco protesting about the annexion of ALSACE LORRAINE from GERMANY in 1918 and 1945.As i told Arab nations suffered of european imperialism so now europeans can't continue to tell them what to do while they created the problems,they should let arabs solve them themselves.

And i know what the sahrauis are,thank you ;),they speak Arabic and we consider them as Arabs

• No, Western Sahara was not part of Morocco. That is what the International Court of Justice argued, and what nearly everyone except Morocco itself argues. However, that's a pointless line of reasoning to begin with. Most of the Arab world was part of the Ottoman Empire, but that gives Turkey no claim to annexing either Palestine or Egypt, as I'm sure you would agree: any nation has the right to self-determination, i.e. to chose its destiny freely. Western Sahara may well BECOME part of Morocco after a referendum, but to say that it must be annexed militarily, in disregard of the opinions of its inhabitants, is not Pan-Arabism. It's Fascism.
• As for Sweden, Finland was part of of Sweden for hundreds of years, before being occupied by Russia, and then opting for independence instead of rejoining Sweden when it was granted self-determination in 1917. Sweden did not respond by launching a "blue-and-yellow march" and massacring Finns until they fled en masse. Instead the government chose to accept the democratic choice of the Finns, which I am very happy about today.
• Same thing happened with Norway when they decided that they wanted to leave Sweden in 1905; they voted and got their independence. That worked out well, and nowadays we get along just fine.
• Today Scandinavia is probably one of the most stable, peaceful and politically integrated parts of the world, despite a thousand-year long history of shifting occupations and never-ending national hostility and wars. A complete political union between the countries is not at all unlikely in the future. I don't think it's a far-fetched conclusion that Scandinavian unity (not to mention prosperity and democracy) has been better served through peaceful cooperation and mutual respect for national aspirations, than by forcible annexations, occupation and state terror. Anyone seriously interested in Arab or Maghrebi unity would do well to consider that.

Arre 23:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

• answer to Arre

western sahara was a part of morocco and is recognised as a MOROCCAN TERRITORY by the Arab League (22 countries),as a large part of current algeria was a part of Morocco,including tindouf where you have been to,the international court has nothing to tell to morocco,it should start to judge the criminals of that world instead to tell Arabs what to do...it should also tell Spain to leave the Moroccan territories of CEUTA MELLILA CAANBRY SILANDS etc.And again,even Algeria admits TINDOUF was a part of Morocco because it is the truth,France stole it from Morocco and Morocco renounced it because of the superiority of France.When Algerians kicked france out they freed this territory so they kept it.Most of the Arab world was occupied by the ottoman empire,it was not the ottoman empire to us,it is only an occupation,as Poland was not a part of Germany to the Polish,as Alsace was not a part of Germany to France,as Mandchourie was not a part of Japan to CHINA,you have to make a difference.Serbia was never turkish it was only occupied by the turks,it has nothing to do...telling morocco what to do with its lands is fascism as well. Europeans should tell israel to give palestine back and to stop to occupy arab lands instead to enter into arabs-arabs affairs about morocco and sahara.U.N should apply its own resolutions about israel that refuses to follow the international communauty orders and is never sanctioned since decades,instead to enter in ARABS-ARABS AFFAIRS,i find it logic.Sweden and FINLAND have nothing to do,the sahara was separated by france and spain,so it doesn't count to moroccans,and they're right.Morocco is not an apple pie,the arabic world was divided too many times by the westerners to make it weak:syria,lebanon,jordan,kuwait,iraq etc etc...

the Scandinavians killed over 2,2 millions of Iraqis including a large part of children since 1991,yet you tell scandinavia is a peaceful place...a peaceful place but not a peaceful entity for sure...they ended the wars bteween scandinavian people but apprently they moved far away to kill other people...

Oh wow, I don't think there was a single correct argument in that. But anyway, I have no time for discussion, gotta go slay babies. Arre 01:17, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

If you are a child slayer that's your problem,but you shouldn't have criticised Moroccan actions telling SCANDINAVIA was peaceful while Scandinavia pillaged iRAQ and exterminated so many children (7000 ,only in 1991)...I don't understand why some people force Arabs from Algeria to be of mixed Arab-Berber ancestry,so i will change it again,over and over again...because i have many sources that prove my point...you think i am an isolated case?Ask Moroccan Arabs if they feel Berbers or Arabs...i am sure you can meet them on the internet ;)

ps:if you think my arguments were not valid,then tell why,or post a link.If you don't,i consider you agree...

--START

80.61.125.94 has rightfully reverted edits of 84.5.58.61 who tried to add this piece of anti-wikipedia information:

"Some Algerians are of mixed Arab-Berber stock,80% of the Algerians are Arabs and arrived in the 7th century during the expansion of Islam.20% of Algerians are Berbers,they speak Berber languages and inhabited Algeria before the arrival of Arab tribes.Many historians think Berbers are of Yemeni origin,some historians tell that they imigrated from there into North Africa before the coming of ISLAM in the Arabian peninsula.The exact origins of the Berbers are not proven,some historians think that they are Iberians of European ancestry."

There is so much wrong here. Minor mistakes: "stock"? "peninsula.The"? "the Algerians are Arabs and arrived in the 7th century" Well, they must be very, very old!

Bigger errors: 80% Arab? 20% Berber? Just random numbers! No facts whatsoever. Or this: "Some Algerians are of mixed Arab-Berber". How many then? 0% (100% minus 80% and 20% equals 0%)

But the most annoying is the damn racism. The strict seperation between Arab and Berber. It is a reflection of the strong racism in Algeria (and Marocco) today. The people in Algeria are mostly of Berber descent which was Arabized during the 7th century. There is nothing wrong with being of Berber descent. Unless you take it as an insult, why hide it?

The story that Berbers came wandering from outside (from Yemen, or from Spain, or from just any place except North-Africa itself) is part of the racist propaganda against Berbers today: "It was never really Berber country, so Berbers cannot demand humane living standards here." It is the official excuse to oppress Berbers, their culture and their Tamazigh language, withholding them from resources.

Saying that "Algerians are childen of Arab tribes" which travelled there during the 7th century is a myth, a physical impossibility, a phantasy. Wandering Arab tribes could have never spread that fast over such a large area. Every few kilometers they would have had to settle down in order to find food, raise generations, and build resources in order to conquer a next plot of land. It would have taken ages! What really happend was that the Berbers already settled in the area easily took over the Arab culture of the mighty Arab soldiers riding their fast horses. Berbers were Arabized. (it is not an insult to being a Berber, and it is not an insult to becoming/being Arab)

Saying that Arab tribes were settling there, leads to absurd conclusions: (1) Berbers lived in hot and dry desert Algeria and did not want/manage to settle near the tempered and green coast, so they left it to the "Arab tribes". (2) Or this: Indonesia is the country with the highest % of muslims. Of Arab descent too? (3) The name 'Berber' came from the Ancient Greeks. (yes, Berbers go back a long time) If the Greeks did not meet them at the rich but supposedly 'empty' Mediterranean coast, then the Greeks for some reason or another must have been very very eager to wander off into the risky and unrewarding desert where they were lucky enough to bump into Berbers and only then gave them their name. Sure, all pure "logic".

But seriously now. Berbers were always there and formed the overwhelming majority. During the 7th century they were Arabized. The difference today between what is called 'Berber' and 'Arab' today is only a difference in culture, language and location. It is not a difference in biological descent. If you would want to look at biological descent in an honoust way, then you see that 90%+ is biological Berber and 10%- is biological Arab. An uninteresting, irrelevant and smelly piece of information, as it is all forced out in the context of (fighting) racism. It is the undemocratic government (the army in Algeria and the monarch in Marocco) that promotes these racist myths, that continually devides these people into Berber and Arab so the people will not join forces together against the undemocratic rulers.

There is no shame in being Berber. There is no shame in being Arab. But there should be shame in spreading racist rubbish. The anonymous user should be blocked for continually trying to add such a piece of unscientific, untrue, racist, and unwikipedian rubbish.

--END -- ActiveSelective 20:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

ActiveSelective

Isnt it racist to force ARABS to be BERBERS?You are forcing me to be of your(if you are berber,i guess you are) ethnicty?WHY that?God leave me alone,be a berber and let me be what i want for as long i dont force you to be an Arab,you are the only one racist...admit it,you re ful of hatred against us just because we are Arabs,is that our fault if arab leaders mistreat berbers?lol you are not a victim,so dont complain,all algerians are victims of arab leaders,arabs are mistrated as well but you don't mention it,u just mention u r a "martyr" lol lol.

Your post is so long,you seem mad at me.Your are making fun of my bad English lol lol,so what?My sayings were still proven by the sources that i posted.You are not proving you're a civilised personinsulting me and calling names,it is not a chat room by the way...WHY WOULD YOU CALL ME A RACIST?So let's force the white europeans to be africans,i doubt they would be happy if anyone would force them to be called BLACK NIGERIANS when they know they are white skinned and of european ancestry,so *** you and don't force me to be what i am not,poor dumbass.I am not of Berber descent,I am Arab and we came from ARABIA (our ancestors ;) ),deal with it.Are you that mad?You are so jealous juste because i have an Arab heritage lo lol lol...Go tell a kabyle we are Arabized Berber he would laugh at you =)) =)) =))

"Saying that "Algerians are childen of Arab tribes" which travelled there during the 7th century is a myth, a physical impossibility, a phantasy. Wandering Arab tribes could have never spread that fast over such a large area."

that is not what the American and Algerian governements tell...

that is not what historians tell,by the way it is not a myth,wikipedia tells most Algerians are of Middle eastern ancestry according to the genetic tests,are you that mad? =)) =)) Why didn't the Arabs arabise the Iranians and the Pakistaneses then?lol lol,only Berbers,why only them?stop dreaming...

you told 10%?10% of Arab blood is largely enough to be an Arab ;) You are jealous and frustrated because we are all proud of being Arabs and are a majority,you're mad lol,you are a minority and try to be a majority?We are the majority so deal with it,and we won't talk TAMAZIGH,we ll talk Arabic for as long as we live ;)

You told it isn't a shame being Berber?No it is not,but it would be a shame to deny my Arabness to become an other man,it would be shame to forget i am an Arab,you are the only one racist forcing me to be a Berber,why do you ever care?What is your problem?We are what we wanna be,if you like being berber,be it and leave us alone GOD YOU ARE SO FUNNY telling i am a racist,i never told anything about the Berber minority,you told many bad things about us,u want to force us to be berbers,would you like me to force u to be ARAB?You dont like when historians tell u r from yemen,so why do u force me to admit your lies about us?So what are you if you are not of middle eastern ancestry?You just look all like Arabs,and by the way u look like middle eastern Arabs physically,it is imposibble to distinct you..onlt your language is different;so by the way what can u tell about the article MAGHREB of wikipedia,it tells ALGERIANS are mostly of middle eastern ancetry so it means even berbers are from middle east?OH maybe they are europeans,because they are blue eyed lol lol,blue eyed scandinavians lol.If they like being scandinavians it is their life,but me i wanna be a semite dark haired and brown eyed ;)

"Though Maghreb culture as well as its people have both African and Middle Eastern roots, most Maghrebis are either Arabic- or Berber-speaking Muslims of predominantly Middle Eastern ancestry, while a few are of predominantly African ancestry, and the corsairs brought in significant amounts of French, Italian, Spanish, and Turkish ancestry in the big coastal cities. " <===== maghreb

Berbers are from Middle east according wikipedia ;)

AGAIN:Algeria is mostly Arabs and we are proud of coming from ARABIA,it is our country as it is yours,but we are still a majority,if you want us to respect you,respect us and don't force us to be BERBER while we are not.Your hatred against us won't solve anything,you should talk as a civilised person instead to insult me as an immature freak ;)

and let me tell you,believe me or not but i have talked to a chaoui (berbers) 1 month ago telling him we were most of berber descent to see his opinion,he told "but the most are from saoudi arabia" lol lol :)

Undemocratic maghrebi leaders?I agree,just like french governement and american governement are ruled by nazis undemocratic leaders,their economies are based on killing hundreds of thousands of babies and pillaging the other nations ;)

Things don't always correspond to language. The actual number of Arabs from Arabia was very small. They managed to spread the usage of Arabic through colonization and setting up cities away from older established towns, not unlike the various Alexandrias set-up by Alexander and the later Greco-Macedonians to keep the empire together. Genetic studies back that the majority of people from North Africa are mostly of Berber stock with variations. There is a large Phoenician genetic trail in Tunisia due to the Carthaginians, but it still amounts to only 1/5 of the population. People claim a lot of ancestries all over the world, but it doesn't really make them true and can't be given credence in an encyclopedia. There are Nigerians who claim to be descended from Muhammad for example, and hey maybe that happened, but it's not very likely. The historical record backs only a small number of Arabs in North Africa who did grow and expand and contribute to the local population, but probably in a way similar to the contribution of the Phoenicians. Tombseye 21:26, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

answer to Tombseye

The contribution of Arabs were the most important,it was not only a military occupation as the ROMAN/VANDAL/TURKISH and FRENCH RULES.Many Arabs migrated from Arabia into North Africa.Since i have official sources from the US governement to prove my point,i don't need to argue more...(you can notice in these source the word ARAB is always the first,it probably means that ARAB contribution wasn't as minor as you tell)

"Nearly all Algerians are Muslim, of Arab, Berber, or mixed Arab-Berber stock." http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/8005.htm

"Most Moroccans are Sunni Muslims of Arab, Berber, or mixed Arab-Berber stock. The Arabs invaded Morocco in the 7th and 11th centuries and established their culture there." http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5431.htm

"Native Libyans are primarily a mixture of Arabs and Berbers." http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5425.htm

I think we don't need to debate about the racial origin of Algerians,as we don't need to tell Algerians are of Berber origin.The correct sentence is "80% of Algerians are Arabs,20% are Berbers",noone cares about their ethnic origin since they consider themselves as Arabs.Being Arab is not necessarilly about ethnicity,Sudanese are Africans,most of them consider themselves as ARABS.Somalis and Djibouti people are AFRICANS and many of them consider themselves as Arabs.Americans don't consider themselves as EUROPEANS al though they are of EUROPEAN ANCESTRY.tape ARABS in wikipedia,it has many meanings,you can be Arab without being ethnically ARAB.

Genetic studies are not considered as a credible source in Algeria or in France,it is considered as racist and SOUNDS nazi.I wonder how anyone can indentify Berber genes,it sounds silly considering that all humans have 99,9% of similar genes.Are you going to tell there are several human races too?bY the way IF WE FOLLOW THE RACE,wikipedia tells MOST MAGHREBIS (Arabs and Berbers) are of Middle Eastern ancestry (tape maghreb) according to some genetic studies,so if we took your logic we wouldn't need to specify "Berber origin",we can trace their origin back writting "MIDDLE EASTERN stock"...

Nigerians who claim that they are descendand of Mohamed are not considered as Arabs by the so called ARABS,plus they are black people while we are semitic people (ethnically speaking)...

new source: "The ancestors of the Algerian Arab originated in the Arabian Desert. From there, they gradually immigrated into northern Africa. Over the centuries, the Arabs have become somewhat intermingled with the Berbers, and this has influenced their way of life. Nevertheless, the two groups have remained distinct." http://www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.php?rog3=AG&rop3=100226

GDP A JOKE?

GDP $659 billion? check the source given (IMF), it's $139 billion in 2009. please correct that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.227.197.191 (talk) 05:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree! IP 68.147.201.79 has been vandalizing this article, I have corrected the GDP figures once for it to get vandalized again by the same person! A moderator needs to lock that data from being edited! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.34.22 (talk) 05:20, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

PLEASE SOMEONE BLOCK THAT TROLL! he did it again! GDP is wrong and he/she knows it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.227.197.191 (talk) 00:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Maps

According with some European countries consensus, many countries discussed about these two maps, Algeria not yet, but it seems that european users think to have the right to change all maps of Africa because it. Obviously the orange one looks more professional and all the continent is separated with the world.--TownDown ^{How's it going?} 14:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I must confess that it's difficult to understand your English, but I take it that you try to argue the case that your maps are better? Be that as it may, we follow consensus here on Wikipedia and your way forward should be to try to convince others about the quality of your maps, not to engage in an edit war against the established consensus. And please refrain from dragging in other contributors' nationalities, it is completely irrelevant and doesn't strengthen your argument one bit.JdeJ (talk) 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't accuse me to convince others about quality of my maps or dragging in other contributors' nationalities. You can be reported. --TownDown ^{How's it going?} 21:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So first you use other's ethnicity in your arguments, then you threaten with reporting me when I point that out. As I've said before, it's deplorable that you always resort to intimidation instead of trying to argue your case with factual arguments.JdeJ (talk) 09:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

The proponent has been temporarily blocked for edit warring and incivility, directly arising from the addition of maps of this style to a number of articles. Not only is the map (with a horrid Mercator projection) inconsistent with the locator maps in most country articles but has done so without substantial discussion and limited to no consensus. This map is not agreeable; consequently, I have restored the prior long-standing map. I believe a renewed consensus needs to be demonstrated before the map is changed again. Thoughts? Bosonic dressing (talk) 02:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Climate

"The highest official temperature was 50.6 °C (123.1 °F) at In Salah."[41]

Official maybe, but given that El-Azizia in neighbouring Libya has apparently recorded 58^C (136.4^F), I think one of two things is true, Either Algeria's figure is too low, or El Azizia's is too high. A difference of 7.4^C between the two national records is simply not credible in my view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meltingpot (talk • contribs) 11:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Meltingpot (talk) 11:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

(Or of course both could be true; Algeria's record could be too low and Libya's too high.)

Meltingpot (talk) 08:11, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Language, again

"all Algerian dialects are in fact an arabic-berber mix, none is pure arabic or pure berber"

Can't we get this pseudo information out of here? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_language and ask for example the author of the blog http://lughat.blogspot.com/ 91.152.248.219 (talk) 20:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the above. While it is true that Algerian Arabic has a Berber substratum and it is equally true that the Berber languages have been influence by Arabic, that statement makes it seem as if Berber and Arabic are dialects of the same language or at least very closely related. As that is not the case, the statement is misleading.JdeJ (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

French language is not used in algeria just in universitar high studies So please eliminate it , I am Algerian and I know what happen here! Kivinou (talk) 04:42, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Berber World

Algeria is considered by Berbers to be a part of the Berber World.

This affirmation is not clear. It came after mentioning Algeria's affiliation to known international entities (to my knowledge there is no international organization named Berber World). The problem lies in "What is the Berber World?". After clicking the wiki-link, it redirected me to Berber People article. A google test gave only 1,420 hits. This misleading part will be removed unless verifiable information are provided. --Bestofmed™⟨msg↵⟩ 14:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I've removed it. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 20:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistency

TENOR COMPTE D E S FUSEAUX HORAIRES DIFFERENTS EUROPE AFRICA

ALGERIA PAYS D AFRIQUE VOIR CI DESSOUS http://www.fuseau-horaire.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.222.112.219 (talk) 15:08, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

The information box lists Algeria as a single-party state but the politics segment says it has 40 parties. I take it the latter is true.

Plagiarism

The information pertaining to the climate of Algeria under the geography section can also be found at this address: http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/atlas/qt/climateAlgeria.htm Climate information belongs in a separate subsection titled "Climate" and it should be original writing. Thoughts? TravisWichtendahl (talk) 07:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)TravisWichtendahl

Economic role of women

The following paragraph is sourced to a reliable source, but has been removed twice [4] [5] by a new editor for no obvious reason. This material is clearly relevant to the Demographics section, and I am restoring it. The same editor is also blanket reverting other minor edits, e.g. grammar corrections. Please keep an eye on this.

Women make up 70 percent of Algeria's lawyers and 60 percent of its judges. Women dominate medicine. Increasingly, women are contributing more to household income than men. Sixty percent of university students are women, according to university researchers.<ref>{{cite news|last=Slackman |first=Michael |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/world/africa/26algeria.html |title=A Quiet Revolution in Algeria: Gains by Women - New York Times |doi=Algeria |publisher=Nytimes.com |date=May 26, 2007 |accessdate=2008-11-24}}</ref>

85.94.186.91 (talk) 00:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC) [6] see the links —Preceding unsigned comment added by Satheezmbs (talk • contribs) 10:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Relationship to the world

For the ones interested in using an icon for the relationship between Algeria and the world at large I would like to contribute with an image should it be needed. Thanks--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 05:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of planet earth algeria.svg

Coat of arms of Planet Earth with the nae of Algeria

Algerian identity and language is Amazigh, without a shadow of a doubt. It has nothing to do with Arabs, except for the fact that it has suffered the savage invasion by Arabs in the 8th century, for a longer time than european countries (like Spain, Italy, ...) which eventually got rid of them. Some Algerians who consider themselves Arabs are in fact just arabised Amazighs. Even the bedouin Arabs themselves don't recognize Algerians as arabs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.163.223.128 (talk) 13:33, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Most Algerians consider themselves Arabs

Why is there no mention of Arabs in the Demographics section.

Who ever wrote it should be ashamed of themselves for being so blatantly biased.

Writing what you wish does not mean it will ever happen. dfssdf Shame on you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.205.120 (talk) 01:55, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

It's not a question of bias, but of simple omission. I've added a stat from the child article. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for seeming to be harsh in my comments but I have always known that the overwhelming majority of Algerians to be proud of their combined Arab and Berber heritage, yes both Arab and Berber and not Berber alone. Reading the Demographics section there was not one mention of the Arab aspect of Algeria. This to me appears intentional. There is, without a doubt, a massive bias towards Arabs on Wikipedia articles related to ethnicity, history, religion, etc. The Article about Algeria feeds into this phenomenon. Just as an interesting side note, even when listening to Algerian music, there are countless songs where the singer highlights his/her pride in their Arab origin. Just listen to Cheb Khaled's music! Arabs also have a deep fondness for Algeria and consider it as a role model for sacrafice against foreign occupation and colonialism. I know for certian that Arabs everywhere will cheer for their sole representitive in the world cup.

~~There are no Arabs in Algeria and whole of North Africa, that stupid fairy tale of thousand and one night is not considerd as a reliable history among people with brains. North Aricans like those living in Morocco, Algeria, Tunis an Libya are Imazighen(berbers, this countries have also a small minority of people with different origins who came to North Africa of a living. Arabians live in the Middle East not in North Africa ~~

Really? So why does the Algerian constitution indicate that Algeria as an Arab land. Please refer to the Preamble of the constitution if you don't believe me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.67.184 (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Since when did the Algerian wrote any the Algerian constitution, the first time they won a free election and wanted to control their own state, they got murderd by the Algerian regime which is 100% a French puppet Regime. More than 200.000 Algerians were brutally murderd. So please get lost with your so called fake the Algerian constitution of yours. Algeria is a North African country which is populated by Imazighen(Berbers'. The Algerians who speak an Arabic DIALECT and not Arabic were brutally forced to Arabise since the French colinsation. The French wanted to divide the cou8ntry so that they can control the resources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zanati (talk • contribs) 15:46, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

The demographics section was inaccurate because of back and forth POV pushing and exaggerations, just before the protection of the article on an arbitrary version (due to massive vandalism after the world-cup match, which made meaningful edits impossible), so nothing really intentional here: just some unreverted vandalism.

It still seems though that the languages subsection does not reflect the cited sources correctly. Antipastor (talk) 10:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I changed it now to what is stated in the reference (in french): there were gross exaggerations of both Arabic and Berber dialects percentages. However, it could be helpful to corroborate the data with more sources. Antipastor (talk) 10:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

French rule -- Denoeux

Between 1830 and 1847 50,000 French people emigrated to Algeria,[31] but the conquest was slow because of intense resistance from such people as Emir Abdelkader, Ahmed Bey and Fatma N'Soumer. Indeed, the conquest was not technically complete until the early 1900s when the last Tuareg were conquered by General Guilain P. Denoeux. -- This is wrong.

Guilain Denoeux is a professor at Colby College who teaches Middle eastern politics and not a French general.

Removed. Antipastor (talk) 16:29, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Genocide

The French invaded Algiers in 1830. The conquest of Algeria by the French was long and particularly violent, and it resulted in the disappearance of about a third of the Algerian population. France was responsible for the extermination of 1.5 million Algerians. According to Olivier Le Cour Grandmaison, the French pursued a policy of extermination against the Algerians.

1.5 million Algerians died during the Algerian War of Independence. Genocide which was committed by the French.

Algerians argue that the massacres should be named as genocide and France must apologise to the Algerians[1] [2] However the French do not accept the claims. Algeria's President Abdelaziz Bouteflika says that French colonization of his country Algeria was a form of genocide link title. In memoirs, some French officers have described torture of Algerians during the war. Edouard Sablier, for instance, one of the soldiers who took part in the repression, later described the situation: “Everywhere in the towns there were camps surrounded by barbed wire containing hundreds of suspects who had been arrested… Often, when we set out to inspect an isolated hamlet in the mountains, I heard people say, ‘We should punish them by taking away their crops’.” [3] A paper called Ohé Partisans, published by the French Trotskyists, described Sétif as an “Algerian Oradour”. Oradour was a French town where the Nazi occupiers had murdered over 600 people, including children. [4]

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.208.180.240 (talk) 19:28, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

stop Vandalism

Egyptian from Cairo sabotage the content of Algerian pages here , see [[7]]Please...?. ترجمان05 (talk)

Islamists loot and burn protestant church in Algeria

This Israeli site: [JP] writes:"Islamists loot and burn protestant church in Algeria".Agre22 (talk) 23:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)agre22

Languages

Algeria is a trilingual country - we speak Arabic, Berber (Tamazight), and French. However, the latter two are rather underrepresented on the page. Should French not be mentioned as a "Second Language" on the page, as it is on the Tunisia entry ? Or the name of the country be listed in the body text of the page in Algerian (colloquial) Arabic and French ? Arabic is spoken by well over ninety-five percent of all Algerians, French is spoken by nearly two-thirds of the country, according to the OIF, and Tamazight is spoken by a significant population, as well. Why not, then, recognize all three as equally valuable, historically, culturally, and practically ?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.62.105 (talk) 05:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a tendency to follow the countries official policies. Thus you can see "English" in Madagascar's infofox but not in Sweden's (the fact that most Swedes know English and that most Malagasies don't, is apparently irrelevant), similarly Madagascar is shown on the map of the English-speaking world but Sweden is not. The same goes for Algeria, where French is the second language, but the government's attitude towards it is schizophrenic because on one hand it detests the French language, and on the other they continue to use it. Aaker (talk) 23:41, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

That's not necessarily true. It follows what reliable sources say about the prevalence of a language in a country and how influential it is. Remember that there is no official language of the USA, but articles in non-English Wikipedias about US government agencies still put the English names in, because English is the de facto language of the USA. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I have algerian origines and I don't know why you put english as part of the spoken languages, it's ridiculous ! And the french language is largely used in secondary school, they do not hate french language ! Please remove emglish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.137.171.31 (talk) 17:18, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Presidential Terms

I am going to have a go at re-writing the first two sentences of the Poitics section as at the moment they are a bit confusing Tigerboy1966 (talk) 11:50, 17 March 2010 (UTC) Watch enormous elephants dwarfed by towering baobab trees in Tarangire National Park. • Gaze at the dense herds of wildlife contained by the lush caldera walls of Ngorongoro Crater. • Experience the vast plains of Tanzania as far as the eye can see in the midst of blue wildebeest, Burchell’s zebra, cheetah, and leopard scattered in the Serengeti. • Delight in watching the olive baboons and blue monkeys leaping from tree to tree in Lake Manyara National Park. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzzwal Shahi (talk • contribs) 10:13, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Inconsistent spelling: Bugia/Bujia

Under Spanish Enclaved, the first paragraph says "Bugia" and the second "Bujia".

Pre-History

"Author Terrence McKenna has hypothesised Algeria as the source of the myth of the Garden of Eden and the birth of humanity. Before the warming brought on by the Holocene Climatic Optimum around 7,000 years ago, the region contained vast grasslands which, along with the representations of cattle in the Tassili Plateau art, suggests the existence of early forms of pastoral agriculture. This would seem to be a logical precursor to the crop-based agriculture that developed in the Middle East in the agricultural revolution thousands of years later.

The ancient paintings are also a clear indication of a form of shamanism or religion based on the use of psychedelic mushrooms. This is another reason why the region was proposed by McKenna as the cradle of culture and civilization, as the visions induced by these mushrooms give a powerful impulse towards art, painting and the sense of contact with the supernatural that is the basis of religious belief. McKenna, T. (1992). Food of the Gods, The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge: A Radical History of Plants, Drugs and Human Evolution. Bantam Books. p. 70."

I added the following earlier today and it was removed arbitrarily by an editor who was not signed it, with no reason given whatsoever. Perhaps if this addition seems too definitive it could be altered. No-one, not even Terrence McKenna himself, claims that his theories are definitely true, but at the same time given the archaeological evidence they are certainly plausible. I believe my addition is thought-provoking and that there is no reason to leave it out.

I'd have to do some investigating but the Arabs arrived in Algeria later than 642...about 20 years later..

"Author Terrence McKenna has hypothesised Algeria as the source of the myth of the Garden of Eden and the birth of humanity."... "This is another reason why the region was proposed by McKenna as the cradle of culture and civilization"

I don't think the piece of text that you added is clear on what it proposes. Does it mean that the myth of "paradise" (as told in the bible/quran/whatever) originated in ancient algeria, or does the cited author propose that civilization or/and the human race itself originated in ancient algeria? Either of these theories must be regarded as very controversial and the whole question of where these phenomena arose is extremely strange because they most likely originate in various palces independently. There is actually considerable consensus on where the first instances of "civilization" are to be located (Egypt, Mesopotamia). Regardless of that isn't this rather speculative material more apropriate for the separate article on Algeria's history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.234.185.68 (talk) 14:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

[I edited the first comment above to remove the <ref> tags and show the citation.] Terence McKenna's theories are at least controversial; at best far out of the scientific mainstream. I don't think he's in any way a reliable source. His idea about the Garden of Eden might be acceptable if it's identified as very speculative. The part about the mushrooms can (in my opinion) only be wishful thinking on the part of a long-time apologist, and should be removed from the article. -- BPMullins | Talk 16:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

This section was removed from the article due to being speculative and unhistorical. Terrence McKenna is not a historian and his word should not be taken as such. I have had to remove this from the article over eight times now, and it keeps getting added back in. While I appreciate that someone out there clearly has a love for Terrence McKenna, and while I will say that some of his theories are interesting, they are just that. Theories. He is making an unfounded theory about the "Garden of Eden" which may or may not have existed and as such it has no place in the history of Algeria. If you absolutely must discuss this, you may do so on Terrence McKenna's page, or the Garden of Eden page. This is not the place for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.158.142.187 (talk) 15:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

literacy plummeted,[36] while land development uprooted much of the population.

You will need to find another source. The source doesn't state that literacy plummeted. It states that the use of advanced Arabic plummeted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.222.35 (talk) 10:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

IP 68.147.201.79 a TROLL

please someone block him/her. keeps changing the GDP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.227.197.191 (talk) 00:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Please edit reference #44

Please edit the reference number 44 from: "http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy_Index_2010_web.pd" to "http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy_Index_2010_web.pdf". I can't edit because the article is blocked. --KJEFRNNF (talk) 02:51, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

History section a bit long?

Doesn't the history section seem a bit long for a country's main article? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 04:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Ottoman History

I was reading over the article just now and the section on "Ottoman rule" seems to be primarily about the Barbary Corsairs and not the overall history of Algeria under Ottoman rule. Some of the text is also redundant (most of the paragraph regarding the Barbarossa brothers). I was wondering if the information about the Barbary Corsairs should either be deleted or put under a new heading? Cheywoodward2 (talk) 22:33, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Origin of the name

The fact that "Jazair" means "the islands" in Arabic isn't a plausible etymology, as there are no islands there. The name of the country comes from the city of Algiers which is called natively "Dzayr"; Ziri ibn Manad founded the city and that name is likely derived from his name. Then it was Arabized when reported in Arabic. Does anyone have more info on this? Tachfin (talk) 09:30, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I understand that there were islands offshore Algiers, but there was a landfill in the past few centuries.

Enc. of Islam II "Djazair"

"The Arabs applied the name of the islets to the town, which was founded in the 4th/10th century on the mainland opposite them."

Deriving the name from the Zirids is folk etymology. I prefer that this be indicated.

Mazghanna was not spelled correctly in Classical Arabic. I corrected it, according to Enc. of Islam II and Arabic Wikipedia.

Also I would like to see the Berber name spelled out in Tifinagh Ybgursey (talk) 09:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

You're right this seems to be nothing more than a folk etymology. The name is spelled in Tifinagh in an end note since there has been opposition to include it in the main text. Tachfin (talk) 06:01, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Algeria's Arab Ethnicity

Algeria's ethnic groups is well known to it's inhabitants and to historians. The bulk and overwhelming majority of it's inhabitants are of Arab origin. Let's be mature and stop ignoring stark reality here folks. Thank you. (~Canadian2000)

What matters here is that information is supported by reliable sources, which is the case.

Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs; that is we only add material that has been published in reliable sources, it is not our job to decide on what is "reality".

In addition to The World Factbook, I've found a list of other reliable sources that directly support what you've been trying to delete. There is no justification in Wikipedia to remove reliably-cited verifiable material:

1. 'Historical records of the Arab conquest, however, suggest that its demographic impact must have been limited (McEvedy 1980). In addition, genetic evidence shows that E3b2 is rare in the Middle East (Semino et al. 2004), making the Arabs an unlikely source for this frequent North African lineage' [8], PubMed, United States National Library of Medicine
2. 'The overwhelming majority of the population is Berber but only about 20% actually identify themselves as Berber pp21, Encyclopedia of the Peoples of Africa and the Middle East: L to Z (2009)
3. 'Even today it is estimated that the majority of the Algerian and Moroccan population is of Berber origin' pp263, Case studies on human rights and fundamental freedoms: a world survey, Volume 1
4. 'In reality almost all Algerians are Berber in origin' pp10, The Report: Algeria 2008
5. 'almost all Algerians are Berber in origin' pp9, The Report: Algeria 2011

Furthermore, respectable historians support this view (Ibn Khaldun, Gabriel Camps, Charles-André Julien) Tachfin (talk) 09:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

So the bulk of your sources are Western. Why don't you ask what the majority of Algerians identify themselves as. The answer is simply Arab. There is no denying that the Berbers are an integral part of that identity too.If you wish something it doesn't mean it is going to become a reality. Please be fair and unbiased — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.67.184 (talk) 18:38, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

All of those sources are from people who have knowledge in the field and are from genetic sources which prove that majority of Algerians are not Arab but infact descended of Arabized Berbers. It doesn't really matter what Algerians consider themselves as, since science and historical facts crush their claims and are meant to put rumors and myths to sleep. You are right, you can't wish for something that impossible to become a reality, like a cat looking into his reflection won't become a lion all of a sudden. Akmal94 (talk) 03:34, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Omitted province in the picture

In the Provinces and districts section, the picture representing each province is missing #43 (Mila). Can someone please edit the picture?Terrorist96 (talk) 03:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you be more clear about the missing ones please? --Dzlinker (talk) 20:30, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

He means can someone please put Mila Province in the picture of all the provinces.Oakley77 (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Algeria/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: WhatamIdoing (talk · contribs) 21:08, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

This article does not meet the Good article criteria. Among other problems, it fails criterion 2b for having zero inline citations in multiple entire sections, including "Classical period" "Boumediene Era", "Post war", "Geography", etc. It also has multiple {{citation needed}} tags. These constitute a WP:CHALLENGE to the material and must be resolved before an article can meet the GA criteria.

I would encourage the nominator to more carefully consider the state of articles like this before nominating any others. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:08, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Independence recognized before declared?

Really? seems unusual... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 18:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

600,000 to 2 million Turks

http://books.google.com/books?id=NcYrAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Turks+in+Algeria%22&dq=%22Turks+in+Algeria%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HjYDUIezK4iF4gTu1O3zBw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg

"Thus there are no longer any Turks in Algeria, Tunis, or Egypt. In Algeria even the Kulugls, sons of Turks, have disappeared." - Smithsonian report, 1908. Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 21:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Valid, but single and old source. Multiple other sources disagree. "Disappeared" is a suspiciously strong claim. Turks in Algeria is the article to start with. Materialscientist (talk) 23:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Yep, see that article then. Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 00:31, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

After the french invasion, almost every turk run away to his homeland. No turks in Algeria. - Dzlinker (talk) 14:11, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Dzlinker is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.218.67.253 (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Many Algerian Turks went to France, not Turkey. There are still many Turks in Algeria, albeit most have been Arabized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.47.207 (talk) 16:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Delete

Wikipedia was supposed to need sources, why do feel the need to revert my edits.--UnsourcedBlanker222 (talk) 12:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

As I explained to you in your talk, it is better to find sources than to remove material. --John (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Because your edits are pointy [9] --NeilN ^{talk to me} 13:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Slaves unreferenced

This passage remains unsourced from August 2011: "According to Robert Davis, from the 16th to 19th century, pirates captured 1 million to 1.25 million Europeans as slaves. These slaves were captured mainly from seaside villages in Italy, Spain and Portugal, and from farther places like France, England, Ireland, the Netherlands, Germany, Poland, Russia, Scandinavia and even Iceland, India, Southeast Asia and North America."

I propose removing these statements forthwith (pending your comments). Nickrz (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi

You may want to read this: [10].

Regards. - Dzlinker (talk) 21:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Direct quote from your source: "(Yet) it is striking that we have only the vaguest idea of the overall magnitude of the slave traffic in white Europeans.." I might suggest a "vaguest idea" does not constitute referent fact. Nickrz (talk) 16:27, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

French in lede

I think the French name should be in the infobox, along with the Arabic and Tifinagh name. The French name should be in the lede too. I tried to search for previous discussions, but the search engine didn't seem to find any. Even though French is not an official language, it is clearly a de facto working language of the government WhisperToMe (talk) 21:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree, but someone already added it anyway. I think something similar should be added to the Morocco and Algeria pages too.--Cymru123 (talk) 15:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. I think you're mistaking Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia with sub-saharan countries. In the administration, arabic is the only accepted and official language. In court for instance, french is not tolerated and lawyers as well as judges etc... only write/speak in arabic. French is the first foreign language due to the colonization of the Maghreb. However there is a STRONG and HUGE difference between sub-saharan countries, where french is the only lingua franca, and the Maghreb, where french is only used as a second language, in parallel to arabic. In fact, with the new generations, french tends to be less attractive and english is more and more studied and learned. French is NOT a de facto national language. --Strongful (talk) 17:39, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm not mistaking the situation of French in Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia for those of sub-Saharan countries. I've read through various Algerian government ministry websites. Some are only available in French. I did some research and wrote new content for Languages_of_Algeria#French - The thing is, Maghreb Arabic is not intelligible with MSA Arabic. The mother tongue isn't used in government in the Maghreb any more than it is used in sub-Saharan Africa. MSA Arabic was introduced in the post-colonial era to try to replace French. Some ministries were "Arabized" but not all of them were. While the Justice Department was Arabized, the Ministry of Transport's website is only available in French: http://www.ministere-transports.gov.dz/ - The sourced material from "Languages_of_Algeria#French" should explain everything. The sourced material also says that French is becoming more popular in Algeria, not less, so that contradicts the assertion that, in Algeria, "with the new generations, french tends to be less attractive and english is more and more studied and learned." WhisperToMe (talk) 05:24, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, the CIA World Factbook says https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ag.html that French is a "lingua franca." I think that wraps it up :) WhisperToMe (talk) 05:29, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

• As a note, with Lebanon, the CIA factbook only states "French" is a language, along with English and Armenian, spoken in Lebanon. It isn't labeled as a lingua franca or a language of commerce, business, government, and/or diplomacy. Looking at Morocco and Tunisia, French for Morocco is "often the language of business, government, and diplomacy" and French for Tunisia is a language of commerce, with Arabic being the other language of commerce WhisperToMe (talk) 05:45, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Image in the demo section

Algerian students cramming before an exam

rural Algerian girl after the Independance in 1962.

An anonymous editor opposes the inclusion of the image to the right in the article because it's supposedly "Arabist propaganda". He insists on including an anachronistic picture of a girl from the 1960s instead (to the left). I think that using contemporary images (not necessarily this one) is always preferable. Any comment on the issue is most welcome.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

contemporary, definitely; I don't see Arabist propaganda, but if it makes people happy, just pick a different one... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 23:22, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I looked around on Flickr for another image that might be suitable to illustrate this section, but I didn't find any of similar quality. Perhaps our anonymous friend can provide us with an image that he finds acceptable.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Y'know, I'll give it another 2 hours or so, then I'll just put back the schoolgirls; just let me do it. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 22:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

First the quality of the picture is poor, the subject is silly, 3 girls looking at a piece of paper is not very representative of Algerian girls. The picture on the left is more representative as it shows the normal dressing of an Algerian farmer girl.

This without signaling the islamist-arabist propaganda as if algerian girls were all head scarfed, the left picture shows the real traditional clothing of an Algerian girl.

This is innacceptable, and User:Underlying lk please sign with your real login. -- [ Chanqariḥa (el εajeeb) ] 20:38, 17 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chanqariḥa (talk • contribs)

(Maybe you could sign at all before you complain about others) It's inappropriate to show a 1960s image of a nostalgic bygone era when that doesn't show contemporary reality; whether you like it or not, there are girls who wear hijabs these days. You are free to provide a contemporary picture that might suit your agenda, but a throwback to what used to be half a century ago is not it. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 20:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

This is a good picture that features the traditional dress of Algerian women -- Chanqariḥa (el εajeeb) 22:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Note that Chanqariḥa has requested the deletion of the 'schoolgirls' picture here.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 02:11, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Cinema & Arabization sections deleted!!

I've been browsing the history of that sadly poor article, and a subsection about cinema have been deleted. Another one about arabization had the same issue. Those are important cultural elements concerning Algeria. No explanation were given on the actual tp. I propose to bring them back. -- Chanqariḥa (el εajeeb) 22:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Not every edit has to be explained on the talk page. The edit summaries exist for a reason. If you had bothered to read them, you would have known that the cinema section can now be found in Algerian cinema, while much of the Arabization section was deleted because it was unsourced. Hence, I reject your proposal.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

The copy isn't a complete one, content has been omitted. I'll add it back later. For the arabization section, i'm going to search for ressources. Arabization is a fact, algerians were subject to a brutal holocaust as well as an apartheid called Indigénat. arabization purpose was to reverse the consequences of that coloniale policies. So its important to the country's history. cheers -- Chanqariḥa (el εajeeb) 07:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Just make sure that you add them to the proper article, and that they're adequately sourced.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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So i guess we've got a consensus with the picture i gave. -- Chanqariḥa (el εajeeb) 07:42, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

I actually still prefer the schoolgirls, I seriously doubt that the picture you propose is representative of modern Algerian women.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Page notice about the use of French

Is it really necessary? These page notices are rather annoying, they should be used only as last resort--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:14, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I placed the notice because there had been a discussion in which I explained on the talk page (Talk:Algeria#French_in_lede) that French needed to be used, and that seemed to be resolved (I engaged in a similar discussion related to Morocco), and yet drive-by editors keep removing it. However there has been an inquiry about my use of page notices at Talk:Emory_University#Location_of_Emory_university.2C_confirming as there is a need to allow anonymous users to be involved in the process, so you may wish to read it. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:36, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Before using something as visible as that we could try with a hidden comment in the wikicode, like <!--don't remove the French names of the country without discussion-->! Perhaps that will be enough.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

We could try that out. Unfortunately I've had cases where anonymous users ignored hidden comment codes alone. We could see if the comment alone does the trick, and see what happens... WhisperToMe (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I think we should try that. Besides, if someone is determined to disregard comments in the code, the page notice won't make much of a difference.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:59, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

From my understanding page notices tend to jump out more than comments (which is why I used them), but I'll try the code thing and see how it goes WhisperToMe (talk) 05:56, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Petroleum topic is badly neglected

I'm surprised that this article says virtually nothing about petroleum-industry developments in the modern history of Algeria. "Hydrocarbons" are given the briefest passing nod, though it's stated that "[Algeria's] economy is oil based" in the article's inroductory paragraphs. Algeria became independent in 1962, and one would imagine prior to that point that the French would have been extremely interested in the country's oil reserves and probably would have been building infrastructure of some sort (exploration, drilling installations, refinement... what??). How did this industry develop to be key to the modern economy of the country?

Here's a clue I found in a very quick Google search: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/211669?uid=3739392&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3737720&uid=4&sid=21101735439911

By the way even the article on French Algeria says nothing about the oil-industry topic, either.

I'm not posting this because I know the story on this subject. It's just that the article leaves the reader uninformed. There's a big deficiency.Joel Russ (talk) 16:03, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Etymology

The theory of Berber origin is a brand-new hypothesis proposed and self-published online by a person who, apparently only has credentials as a journalist. Not a WP:Reliable Source by Wikipedia standards. The theory may well be true for all I know, and I very much sympathise with the Berbers and dislike Arabisation, but it is still a fringe theory and the author has an obvious nationalist axe to grind, so it shouldn't be on Wikipedia until it becomes more widely accepted. I'm not deleting it personally, because I'm not in the mood for having an edit war with angry nationalists, but somebody should.--91.148.130.233 (talk) 15:05, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

• The actual source of the "Arab-Berber" thing in the infobox is the CIA World Factbook which is what the article uses. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:53, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

The theory of Berber origin must write in Berber people no in Algeria --Great11 (talk) 04:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Introduction

The territory of today's Algeria was the home of many ancient prehistoric cultures, including Aterian and Capsian cultures. Its area has known many empires and dynasties, including ancient Berber Numidians, Carthaginians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arab Umayyads, Berber Fatimids, Berber Almoravids, Berber Almohads and later Turkish Ottomans. No French and no Zianides ???? WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE ?

Tunisia

Tunisia (US i/tuːˈniːʒə/ too-nee-zhə or UK /tjuːˈnɪziə/ tew-niz-i-ə; Arabic: تونس‎ Tūnis pronounced [ˈtuːnɪs], officially the Republic of Tunisia[9] (Arabic: الجمهورية التونسية‎ al-Jumhūriyyah at-Tūnisiyyah; French: République tunisienne), is the smallest country in North Africa. It is a Maghreb country bordered by Algeria to the west, Libya to the southeast and the Mediterranean Sea to the north and east. Tunisia is almost 165,000 square kilometres (64,000 sq mi) in area, with an estimated population of just under 10.7 million. Its name is derived from the capital Tunis located in the northeast. The south of the country is composed of the Sahara desert, with much of the remainder consisting of particularly fertile soil and 1,300 kilometres (810 mi) of coastline. Tunisia has an association agreement with the European Union and is a member of the Arab Maghreb Union, the Arab League, and the African Union. Tunisia has established close relations with France in particular, through economic cooperation, industrial modernization, and privatisation programs. In 2011, a revolution resulted in the overthrow of autocratic President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali and the first free elections in the country were held. Since then, Tunisia has been consolidating its young democracy. I just compare between two version, i see a big difference . Seriously, we can make best of that!!!!!--Great11 (talk) 04:31, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

section middle age

Not truth that paragraph During the Middle Ages the Berber or Imazighen controlled varying parts of the Maghreb at times even unifying it, as well as overseas conquests of Portugal, Senegal, Spain, Sicily, Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, and Yemen. Great11 (talk) 17:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)--Great11 (talk) 18:08, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almoravid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Great11 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Darija?

"Algerian Arabic and Darija:Dzayer, ⴷⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ" I'm sorry, but "Darija" isn't written in Tifinagh, that name (ⴷⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ) corresponds to Berber. Algerian Arabic and Darija are synonyms. Please, correct.--Il Qathar (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

POV edits [11]

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Independence

According to infobox, recognised on 3 July 1965 but declared two days later, is that correctly reported? If so it is surely a contradiction in logic. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 07:01, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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Inconsistency in Berber/Tifinagh

In the lede, the Berber name of Algeria is given as "ⵍⵣⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ Dzayer", but the Tifinagh text corresponds to L(e)zzayer. I have also seen ⴷⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ for the Tifinagh, including in a previous version of this article, and also in some Internet pages that are written in Tifinagh. Also, the name of the capital Algiers in Arabic is identical to the country Algeria; is the same true in Tamazight/Tifinagh? The English Wikipedia page for Algiers doesn't say, but the Arabic page for the city gives ⴷⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ in one place and "Lezzayer Tamanaɣt" in another, as well as ⴻⴷⵣⴰⵢⵕ (Edzayerr) specifically for the Shawiya Berber (lang=shy) version for the city name, but gives ⵍⵣⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ for the country name. The French Wikipedia page gives ⵍⴻⴷⵣⴰⵢⴻⵔ (Ledzayer) for the city name. The Taqbaylit (Kabyle, lang=kab) page gives "Dzayer naɣ Lzzayer" (with no Tifinagh rendering) for the city, and exactly the same for the country. (I'm assuming from context that "naɣ" is "or".) Even more confusing, the Kabyle page for the country gives the long form of the country name (i.e., People's Democratic Republic of Algeria) as Tagduda Tadzayrit Tamagdayt Taɣerfant, but then as ⵟⴰⴳⴷⵓⴷⴰ ⵜⴰⵎⴻⴳⴷⴰⵢⵜ ⵜⴰⵖⴻⵔⴼⴰⵏⵜ ⵜⴰⵣⵣⴰⵢⵔⵉⵜ, which is the same words in a different order.

I personally have no idea which form(s) is/are correct. Lincmad (talk) 02:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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that not all true

Algeria not mostly berber but there is a lot targi naili and arab most and berber in four wilya only so this what I want to correct it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.102.119.209 (talk) 10:48, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

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Umair Mukhtar ch born 7 january 1991. completed his studies in 2015. started business in 2016. join cyber services in 2016 & a member of Pakistan Defence. 0320-111-1161 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umairmukhtarch (talk • contribs) 12:29, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Writing titles in French

Hello, In this article, the official names of Algeria are written in French. This is irrelevant and misleading as it is not a language of Algeria.

Pherhat (talk) 21:52, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Oil Reserves Rank Discrepancy

The third paragraph of the lead section says Algeria has the second-largest oil reserves in Africa, but List of countries by proven oil reserves has it behind both Libya and Nigeria in every category. Which one is correct?
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Clarify some text in Geography section

I'm translating this page to teviki. I have some trouble understanding some parts of the below paragraph. Can someone clarify to me what it means? Particularly highlighted parts.

Algeria is the largest country in Africa, and the Mediterranean Basin. Its southern part includes a significant portion of the Sahara. To the north, the Tell Atlas form with the Saharan Atlas, further south, two parallel sets of reliefs in approaching eastbound, and between which are inserted vast plains and highlands. Both Atlas tend to merge in eastern Algeria. The vast mountain ranges of Aures and Nememcha occupy the entire northeastern Algeria and are delineated by the Tunisian border. The highest point is Mount Tahat (3,003 m).

I really have trouble understanding what the highlited part in the above paragraph says. Some plain English explanation would be awesome!

Thank you

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Ethnic groups

I removed this because:

• 1) The Oxford business group is not a reliable source. 2) Even if you consider it reliable, its latest editions (2011, 2015) and its website clearly state that the 99% of the population is considered to be of Arab or Berber descent, with the European minority comprising the remaining 1% of inhabitants.
• The Turkish source (which isn't reliable to start with) says: Etnik Özellikler: Cezayir nüfusunun çogunlugunu (% 78) Arap etnik kökeninden gelenlerin teskil ettikleri varsayilmaktadir... Cezayir nüfusunun %22’sini teskil eden Berberiler Kabil, Savi, Mozabit ve Tuareg gibi ait gruplardan olusmaktadir, which basically translates to: Ethnicity: It is assumed that the majority of the Algerian population (78%) consists of people of Arab ethnicity... The Berbers, which make up 22% of Algeria's population, are composed of groups such as Kabyles, Shawi, Mozabits and Tuaregs.
• The part that starts with Today's Turkish descendants are often called Kouloughlis is utter nonsense that has been falsely attributed to a couple of cherry picked sentences about the Ottoman era.
• WP:RS describing Algeria's ethnic makeup as "99% Arab-Berber; less than 1 % European" can be cited ad nauseam.

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GDP Inflation

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Someone is constantly inflating the Algerian GDP, even when the source document to IMF states something else. He switches to 400billion whereas in fact its 177.682. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alakagom (talk • contribs) 12:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)