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Is there a reason this article is titled "Age of Mythology/Temp" rather than "Age of Mythology" or "Age of Mythology (computer game)"? If not, it should be moved. LordAmeth 14:22, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_Of_Mythology Kakashi-sensei 12:26, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Should we add a cheat section?User:Thorton01:08, 12 October 2005

Added cheat section

I added a cheat section, just to notify all you people. It could use a little work, could you help me there? I don't use wikipedia a lot.71.131.41.130 20:00, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll see what I can to do help, even though I started wikipedia like a week ago. User:Thorton

Honestly, I wonder if we really need a cheat section. This is not a gaming website, and Encycllopedia, in my humble opinion, typically don't have stuff like game cheats. See WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information. Greenleaf 10:57, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

The Age of Empires articles have cheats, so why can't this article?Energie 01:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see them. IMHO, they should be deleted too. I'll see to that. I hope you'd get my point - we have a link to cheat site, so if someone wants to see cheats (and not ready to Google for "AoM cheats") then he can visit that link and see. Typically, people don't go to an encyclopedia to find game cheats. Greenleaf 02:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Done. See, article on Half-Life 2 is much better, because it discusses the background - overview of the game, how it sets itself apart from others, technical details etc - not just a whole bunch of cheats and other stuff available in any fan site. We don't need to replicate fan sites here, because there are enough of them out there - and anyone who's smart enough to use wikipedia would be smart enough to use a search engine as well. An encyclopedia's strength is not providing ALL information at one place - as "your one-stop AoM guide" - but in providing enough information to understand a subject fully, and to provide a reader with info on where to go for more detail. One doesn't need to learn cheat codes to understand what AoM is - only a gamer would need cheat codes, and it's highly unlikely that a gamer would consult wikipedia as a guide to his game. Greenleaf 06:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
In Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games, it specifically states that one of the things that does not belong on computer game pages are: "Lists of cheats or codes. Some codes may be notable and suitable for articles, such as the famed Konami Code, but the method of performing a code that's confined to only a few games and has no special claim to fame is unsuitable for Wikipedia." Since the Age of Mythology cheat codes are NOT important on the level of the Konami Code, there's no reason to include them. Thunderforge 23:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Predecessor?

The article states that "Age of Mythology was always seen as Age of Empires II predecessor". As AoM was released 3 years after AOEII (AoM in 2002, AOE in 1999), shouldn't it read "Age of Empires II's successor"?

fixed this y'day. Greenleaf 06:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


Energie's quote moved to section above, because it's related there. Greenleaf

Special Section?

Where should the stats for units like Osiris and the Guardian go? User:Thorton

I forward that. I think units only in the campaign (such as the Guardian, the Living Poseidon Statue, and Kastor) should have a section all their own.Energie 03:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh and Thorton you can sign comments by typing four tildes (~~~~).Energie 03:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Titan

In the god power section, somebody wrote that "bolt" doesn't kill a Titan. However, Titans are not in Age of Mythology. They are only found in the expansion pack. So if you wanted to say what you did say, add it under Age of Mythology: The Titans.Energie 03:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Article size

Now, I know Age of Mythology is 41 kilobytes long, and it is supposed to be longer than preferred. However, is it really? I mean, there's just a lot of useful information.ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 21:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the article size warning is automatically generated after the article reaches a certain size (I think 32 kilobytes}. ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 06:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I am going to say this in case anybody has not figured out yet. I really, really, really, really, really, really like Age of Mythology. I still play it. Who, besides me, really likes the game?ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 21:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, It's really good (Better than AOE3 IMO) but this isn't really the place to discuss it, the Multiplayer is fun but crashes a bit too much.--User:Rock2e Talk - Contribs 14:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Mistakes

I sure as hell Do. There are two mistakes in this article. Mistake 1: Ballistas are not Land siege units, they are only present on certain Naval units like the Siege Juggernauts. Mistake 2: In AOE2 which I have, there are Merchant ships which are pretty much just naval trade caravans but there aren't any in Age of Mythology as this article states.


There are Ballistas in AOM, It's created from the Norse Hill Fort in the Mythic Age. Solidsnake204 18:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:TOCleft

Personally, I don't like how the article looks like with Template:TOCleft. I'd like to get other people's opinions. ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 01:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Scenario Editor

I notice there's no section on scenario design for AoM. I have only just finished all the campaigns for AoM and the Titans, and barely even played around with the editor, so I'm not qualified to write about it, but it would be nice if someone from say AoMH could do a little write up on this area, I notice they often get left out of articles for these sort of games.

You can go to AoMH yourself and go from there.

Bolt god power...

well, I'm a big fan of AOM, and I thought I'd point out that bolt does not kill the enemy unit. instead it inflicts massive amounts of damage. this can be seen best with the scenario editor by adding an enemy guardian to a map, then playing under zues. it dealls approx. 1000 damage to the affected unit, I believe. I will explore this further, and post my results --198.53.138.109 19:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's around 5000 damage; I tried it on the Living Poseidon Statue. The point is, there aren't many units that have 5000 health, so it usually kills a unit. ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 19:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I kept blighting Cronos with it in the final scenario of the Titans campaign, it dealt about 2500 damage... me is confused. mxuxl1 04:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Aye. Kronos has armor. It should be 5000 damage. For clarity's sake we should just say it kills the unit because there aren't going to be plenty of units over 5000 health unless you play scenarios, which aren't quite common in AOM as in AOE. Aranherunar 14:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Good article nominee

I am happy to announce that I have nominated Age of Mythology for good article status. It does follow good article guidelines. ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 05:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Do not agree. There's plenty of things the article needs to clean up. For example the Gods section - it's totally messed up. The Archaic gods should be listed as Major Gods instead. Nor does it provide any data on the ability and bonuses of the gods. Aranherunar 14:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA

Basically, no sources, far too many lists (not "well-written"), no real-world info (Reception, sales, reviews, etc). Reads like an FAQ, with its overly detailed lists of units, relics, and whatnot. As someone who has never and will never play the game, why do I care that the Ankh "Provides a steady trickle of favor"? (Edit: Also: No gameplay section. What the heck?) Nifboy 06:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Reworking the Article

I agree wholeheartedly that AOM is one of the greatest games ever, but this article is needlessly long and most of it is simply a summary of fan websites like AOMheaven or AOEplanet. In fact, the entire units, relics, heroes, etc. section can be summed up with an external link to one of these websites providing better, more detailed, and more in depth information. [1] In summary, the primary purpose of this page should be to inform someone about Age of Mythology as a video game, giving a good objective review and summary of what to expect if you were to buy the game. Hence, it should be reworked. --Abur 09:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Units

Shouldn't the human units go before the myth units? They do in the manual.

Shortening article

Personally, I think the whole thing needs to be shortened. It's a great game, I agree, but this whole thing reads like the instruction manual that comes with a game. I say, cut out most of the storyline, and add some stuff about the game itself, such as real life reception, figures, Et Cetera Et Cetera.


Continuation?

AOM is not a continuation of Age of Empires, people. Just because it has the name "age" in it, and a very similar scenario editor to that of AOE 3, doesn't change the fact that its a unique series. Lettuceclock 04:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Storyline

It doesn't make sense that the AoM story should be in the article introduction. It should really be in its own section, so I'm doing that. If I screw it up, please fix it :DG1ggy 05:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article is a ridiculous size at the moment, completely in violation of WP:NOT (Wikipedia is not an indescriminate collection of information, eg a game guide, instruction manual). It does not need a list of every single unit, building, race, etc. Seriously, you'd find less information on Gamefaqs. Even the storyline section is completely overdone. I'll give it a couple days to see how people feel, but I'll probably just go mad on the article after that. +Fin - 08:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I decided to go ahead and start the cleanup effort. I used the StarCraft article as a model as it has reached Featured Article status and the Age of Empires article since I helped with the cleanup of that article as well. I removed items that were not on either article and condensed many of the descriptions into more helpful sections (particularly for those who have never played the game and don't care about all the statistics of the units). I'll go ahead and say that I know that there are errors in what I've written. I admit that it's been a very long time since I've played the game. Also, there's some things that I just forgot about when I was writing. So PLEASE fix up what's there, even if it's minor. Right now, I haven't compacted the story because I can't remember enough of what's important in it. Also, I know that there are sections that are completely missing (a scenario section and one for how sales and reactions were and all). So that still needs to be done. Thunderforge 23:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I "expanded" the storyline section, but it was more of adding one paragraph, condensing some others, and making it more readable (it was just one huge block of text before)... it's still long, but I don't see how it's any different of a movie's story summary or the like. I agree though that without a gameplay section, the lists are there for no good reason. Also, we could use screenshots from the fan kit on the official site (and by the way, just added that link all hurried up, 'cos really, no external links?) since they'd be under the "promotional kit" copyright rationale, right? --User:Revoish 05:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Good work guys! I still think the storyline section is a bit too long, but it's much improved! Thanks! +Fin - 08:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to applaud Falcon9x5 for taking the initiative of shortening the campaign story. However, I feel like the story is a bit too short right now, as it only focuses on the opening movie. As I mentioned previously, I'm using StarCraft as a model for what this article should look like, since it became a Featured Article. You'll note that StarCraft has general information about the campaigns on the main page. More detailed info is on another page (should we try that too?). I think we need to work on that area a bit more. Thunderforge 22:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I didn't actually shorten the story myself, unfortunately, but thanks to whoever did! I've never played AoM, so I didn't think I should edit something when I didn't really know the significance. I just pushed other people to do it =) +Fin- 15:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


I did it - I think what's needed is literally two lines about each of the campaigns - since I've never played it - that's upto one of you guys! :) --Charlesknight 15:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I like the article. It's to the point, and doesn't ramble, and is not an indescriminate collection of information. It could still use a bit of other stuff, such as sales of the game.ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 01:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
When I was revamping the article, I removed the section with myth units and consolidated them briefly into a paragraph. Now I've taken a look at the article again and it's been returned! I don't want to start an edit war, but I truly don't believe that a list of units really belongs in an encyclopedic article. Compare to StarCraft, a Featured Article about an RTS game. It has no lists of specialty units. Therefore I firmly believe that no such list should belong in this article. If someone feels otherwise, please say so. Thunderforge 02:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Stone?

In the article it says that you can gather stone in AOM, stone does NOT EXIST in the game so it should not be mentoned in the article 211.27.43.225 05:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it was an oversight on my part. I copied some of the information from the Age of Empires article (since it is similar) and modified it to pertain to Age of Mythology. So it's mea culpa. Sorry about that. Thunderforge 23:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Article Structure

In my opinion, the article is poorly structured and does nothing but ineffectively advise the reader on more or less basic gameplay mechanics. The campaign should be listed under a single player section or something similar. Relics, buildings, units, etc. should be placed in their own section and probably watered down in order to keep the article to the point. The scenario editor, cheats, etc. should be toned down. We do not need to list the cheats; a link to a reliable list of cheats elsewhere would be enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Car (talk • contribs) 04:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Trivia

The amount of "trivia" that relates to this game comes in such large amounts that a single fact seems inadequate and pointless. Either the removal of the trivia section altogether or a large increase of facts would be my recommendation. —The preceding The Car 04:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC) unsigned comment was added by The Car (talk • contribs) 04:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Requiring Cleanup... Again...

It seems to me that this article is regressing into the state it was before it required cleanup. Before, it had many unnecessary information that turned the article into a game guide, which Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and Video Games has clearly stated should not be the case. This article was tagged for cleanup and much of the unnecessary information was removed. Now all that information is creeping back in again. I'm compelled to remove it all... again, but I wanted to just say all this first in case anybody had other ideas. Thunderforge 01:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Gah, I hate this article...the amount of anon editing is really annoying. Yes, cleanup, and I'd like to see a WikiProject have this as their focus. ~ Giggy! Talk Contribs 23:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Atlanteans Anyone?

Where is the info on the Atlanteans? They are a group in AoM also. Shouldn't we give knowledge about them?

Captain panda Mussolini ha sempre tarche Quis ut Dues 03:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC

They are covered in Age of Mythology: The Titans ~ Giggy! Talk Contribs 23:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

RE:Atlanteans anyone?

For your information the atlanteans are in the EXPANSION. this is the original. go to the age of mythology: The Titans wiki to get the information on them.


82.12.86.64 12:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

File Size

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Age_of_Mythology&action=history

Current file size is 18,072 bytes. Now, I know this isn't a major problem, but it's enough to put a notification on the history page. Should it be addressed? ~ Giggy! Talk (reply here) 07:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Interviews

The to-do section says the article requires some stuff from interviews with developers and things. Here is one interview. I'm not sure if it has anything useful in it, as I have no time to check it right now, so if someone else could, please do. I'll find some other ones if I can. --RazorICE 02:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Here's another one. Might also be worth mentioning that AoM won several Best of the Show - Strategy at the 2001 E3. Find references for that later. Age of Mythology developer diary. Another one of Gamespy's interviews. Someone look these up for me, please. Or I'll do them tomorrow when I get home. --RazorICE 02:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

On to it. I think we can do the development section based on those articles. ~ G1ggy! Talk (reply here) 02:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
And it's done...some stubs have now been removed too. ~ G1ggy! Talk (reply here) 08:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, G1ggy. I went through most of the article (from intro to end of buildings) cleaning up as much as I could. I left some comments to be expanded on, if that's alright. --RazorICE 08:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Of course it's alright! Do you think we can finally get that GA now? ~ G1ggy! Reply 04:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the article still needs a tiny bit of work to fix everything up, but GA, or at least B-class should be fine. Someone else needs to vote for it for Gaming Collab of Week... --RazorICE 04:56, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
That would be useful. Any methods to get people to do that? IIRC we still have at least 3 days. ~ G1ggy! Reply 04:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
First, this article is too developed to be GCotW. Second, I would suggest moving AoM on the GAC page to Games and releated articles (that's VG articles go).--Clyde (talk) 14:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, this has been done. ~ G1ggy! SPEAK! 23:42, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I fixed a lot of the references and added fair use ratioanles, as well as doing a little cleanup and polishing. If I had one more suggestion, I'd say add to the reception section a couple more mainstrem reviews. Maybe IGN, Gamespot, PC Gamer, EGM, or Game Informer.--Clyde (talk) 14:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is Gamespot's review. They gave the game a 9.2. IGN gave the game a 9.3. If anyone wants to include these in the article go ahead. --RazorICE 08:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Done! ~ G1ggy! Reply | Powderfinger! 08:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of May 8, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Pass
2. Factually accurate?: Fail Many statements are unreferenced, their is also a {{fact}} template place which is not helping.
3. Broad in coverage?: Pass
4. Neutral point of view?: Pass
5. Article stability? Pass
6. Images?: Pass All have fair use rationales.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you for your work so far. — The Sunshine Man 16:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The {{fact}} problem has been fixed, so I think it's ready to go. Also, it was renominated due to concerns about the reviewer. ~ G1ggy! Reply | Powderfinger! 08:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Concerning the Image

Image:Age_of_Mythology_ingame_screenshot.jpg - Could someone please clarify that this contains NORSE and EGYPTIAN players. There have been several edits stating that it is Greek, and a second opinion would be nice. Thanks. ~ G1ggy! Reply | Powderfinger! 00:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Could I also recommend making it smaller (around 500-700 X 500-700)?--Clyde (talk) 00:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
May I ask why? --RazorICE 10:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
That could be a long term thing. Right now I just want to confirm that I'm not dreaming (I checked again and I think I'm right). ~ G1ggy! Reply | Powderfinger! 01:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Could someone please also point out who the meteors are being used against? Thanks!
I can say one thing: the upper left units are most definitely Egyptian (notice the pyramid, statues, and obelisks?). The bottom right units I'm assuming are Norse, but I can not be certain as I have not played the game. And the meteors appear to be being used against the bottom-right player, but one has impacted an Egyptian unit so I can not say anything about that either. --RazorICE 10:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
That's what I thought. Norse have giants etc. and meteor can only be used by Egyptians. This wasn't a smart player, since meteor does very little damage to units. G1ggy Stalk - Talk - Chalk 00:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
But they sure make them fly! And, really? I though meteors were better against units than buildings... ♠Tom@sBat 00:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Am I the only AoM player here? =P
No, Meteor is especially effective (damage wise) against buildings, but it also makes enemy units fly a bit, stunning them, but not killing them. Notice the lack of corpses in the screenie (and this was taken towards the end of the meteor shower too, so you'd expect deaths if it was good against units).G1ggy Stalk - Talk - Chalk 00:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hmmmm... You refreshed my memory a bit (I used to play AoM)... Yes, I suppose you´re right, you certainly have a point... Thanks! ♠Tom@sBat 00:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

GA Fail

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:


I'm afraid that I have to fail due to referencing. There is very little referencing and I am wondering if much of the plot is original research. I would have to say that most referencing is needed in the plot sections and the lead. Sorry! Greeves (talk • contribs • reviews) 22:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for taking the time to review the article and for commenting! I will try find some sources right away. --RazorICE 00:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Feel free to ask for a re-review when you are done! Greeves (talk • contribs • reviews) 00:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
On my talk page, G1ggy posted the following:

You mentioned here that it needs more refs on the plot section. I'm not sure exactly how this can be achieved, since (as far as I know) you can work out the plot by playing the campaign, you don't really need a news article to tell you about it. Could you please elaborate on this a little?

The main reasons why I failed is because the plot lead needs to be one of the most heavily referenced parts of the article so I would like a ref or two up there and refs on a few main parts of the plot/storyline. Greeves (talk • contribs • reviews) 01:48, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on an FAC right now, and apprently according to WP:LEAD the lead shouldn't be that citation heavy.--Clyde (talk) 00:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


Campain...

Shouldn't this section have a spoiler tag? --Solidsnake204 Talk ~ Contribs 11:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

There has been much debate about this of late (see the updated version of Wikipedia:Spoiler for current info) and consensus was reached that in such a case, there shouldn't be a spoiler tag. You may also wish to read Wikipedia:No disclaimer templates. By the way, the tag was removed here, so you could contact the remover, Misza13 (talk · contribs), for more info. Hope this helps. G1ggy! Review me! 03:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

GA Fail 2

This article has been "under review" for a couple days, so I'm going to jump in and assess it. I'm going to fail it again, and for the same reason as a week ago- not enough references in the gameplay section. I'd recommend looking at Age of Empires III, they reference the manual, the developer's site, the publisher's site, and a few reviews to back up what they say about the gameplay. It's a shame to not pass this, but it shouldn't take too much work, I'd think. Hit me up on my talk page whenever you think it's ready again, and I'll give it an immediate review. --PresN 15:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Also try Starcraft, Empires: Dawn of the Modern World, and Rise and Fall: Civilizations at War (which, by the way, is without a doubt the best, but I might be biased... :)). Age of Empires III actually doesn't have enough sources for an article of it's size... · AndonicO Talk 12:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

PR?

I think it would be a good idea to go to the CVG Peer Review or just the peer review before another shot at GA. A fresh pair of eyes might be a good thing.--Clyde (talk) 13:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Done! G1ggy! Review me! 23:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Redirect

AMiB is gone (if you need to ask, don't bother) so I'm gonna throw this out. I was bold and redirected List of Major Gods in Age of Mythology and The Titans and List of Minor Gods in Age of Mythology and The Titans back to Age of Mythology. They have no references and no encyclopedic value in my eyes. My four reasons of justification are:

  • "Articles on computer and video games should give an encyclopedia overview of what the game is about, not a detailed description of how to play it or an excessive amount of non-encyclopedic trivia." These articles are only detailed descriptions.
  • A general rule of thumb to follow if unsure: if the content only has value to people actually playing the game, it's unsuitable. Keep in mind that video game articles should be readable and interesting to non-gamers; remember the bigger picture. (both from here) I see no value as a nonplayer.
  • WP:NOR again, kind of obvious.

I redirected both articles back to AoM, so the information can still be accessed later but not in its own article. I think it would be helpful for someone familiar with the article to add a little bit more encyclopedic information about gods if the current section does not suffice. Thoughts?--Clyde (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

No worries. I edited the redirects so they go to Age of Mythology#Gods (for obvious reasons) G1ggy! Review me! 23:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Merge?

In the peer review it was suggested that section Favor were to be merged with the paragraph on resources, as well as that section Relics be merged into section Hero. Well, any thoughts? What do say? Should we merge? ♠Tom@sBat 23:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite

Any comments? I think it's good to go to GA now. G1ggy Talk/Contribs 03:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Consistant Spelling

I noticed that throughout the article the spelling dialects of "civilisation" and "civilization" are both being used. Since both are technically correct, should a consensus be formed over which spelling will be used in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Z1720 (talk • contribs).

The "civilisation" would be me, since my MS word (where I composed this when doing the rewrite) has an English spell check, and auto corrects that. I think that, if you have the patience, you should change it though, to "civilization." -- G1ggy Talk/Contribs 04:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed the spellings of "civilisation" so they all read "civilization." (Ctr+F is the best invension ever!) If I missed one, please fix it for me. Thanks!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Z1720 (talk • contribs).
Nice work =D You might want to sign your posts though :P (~~~~) G1ggy Talk/Contribs 22:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Good Article Pass Notes

Successful good article nomination

I am glad to say that this article which was nominated for good article status has succeeded. This is how the article, as of June 24, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Pass. The article is well written and conforms to Wikipedia's Manual of stylr.
2. Factually accurate?: Pass. The article is factually accurate and well sourced in all areas. Areas not cited such as gods and units sub-section contain appropriate links to articles that describe the said subjects of text.
3. Broad in coverage?: Pass. Describes the game in great detail throughout the article.
4. Neutral point of view?: Pass. Written in an neutral tone.
5. Article stability? Pass. No edit warring. Just the occasional vandalism revert.
6. Images?: Pass. All images properly licensed and sourced.

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status.


Issues since the last GA have been addressed. Sections now contain adequate references and is well written so I have decided to pass the article. Thank you to all those who worked hard on this article and keep it up! --Hdt83 Chat 09:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks for the review! G1ggy Talk/Contribs 04:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

It is a pity there is still a lot of simply false information on here every time I read. For example, someone writing that Thor dwarves gather food and wood as fast as gatherers. This is simply not the case, they gather the resources faster than regular dwarves, but not that fast.

Archive

Anybody feel like archiving? I think it's time.--Clyde (talk) 00:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

 Done - I moved 25 old threads to /Archive 1. We can probably add more there some time in the near future, but I left the old GA reviews etc. just for now. G1ggy Talk/Contribs 04:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

British English or American?

I was wondering, which is going to be used here? It's not specifically American or British, and an ArbCom precedent says we cannot change it from one way to the other unless there is cause. I noticed that both spellings were used. I want to go through and fix it one way or the other, but I'd like to know if there was discussion on this; as well as what people think should be the rule. I  (said) (did) 10:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

We decided to use American, since the game was developed there. Most of the British English is because I wrote a lot of it in MS word (in Australia, it auto corrects to British English). So yes, feel free to change it to American. Giggy UCP 22:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Will do. I  (said) (did) 22:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Archive 1

This game is strategic and you will need to think of some strategies./ 4 August 2009

Campaign

I was wondering if someone with more memory than I could exlplain the campaign section why Poseidon favors Garagrensis. I think it had something to do with being his son? If someone doesnt, Ill go and play it again, but I'd rather not.I  (said) (did) 21:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the last response here. I don't think it's because of a relation of any kind, if I recall correctly it was just because Poseiden didn't like Atlantis, and kinda defaulted towards its enemy; Gargarensis. But by all means, play it again anyway :D Giggy UCP 06:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Actually, Poseidon was the principal god of Atlantis in AoM's storyline. Gargarensis's great-grandmother was "seduced" (raped?) by Poseidon, which angered Gargarensis, and rather than seeking revenge he only wanted Poseidon to help him become a god. Since Poseidon had already been tempted by Kronos into betraying the Olympians, Kronos promised Gargarensis that he would become a god if the Titan was freed by him, and that Poseidon would help him along the way as their goals were the same. Poseidon couldn't just free Kronos by himself, BTW, since the gods were prevented from opening the gates that sealed the Titans in Tartarus. Hope this helps. :) 70.146.31.251 18:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Ah. I knew it was something like that! Thanks much. Feel free to add that into the campaign portion of the article. i said 18:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
You do it, I, it was your question :P Giggy Talk 22:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I have completed the campaign several times, and I heard nothing of Gargarensis's great-grandmother. Where did you learn this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.141.13.187 (talk) 04:31:58, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

It is in the description. Click on Gargarensis, then right-click his icon. In the infobox, you will find all your answers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.42.180.114 (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleted track listing

I deleted the soundtrack's track listing because I thought it was non-notable information, and only people who already have the soundtrack will even know which songs are which. Not very useful. - furrykef (Talk at me) 22:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Track listings are maintained for all soundtracks and album pages, as they are considered notable to the soundtrack/album. I'll try and find some policy or something concerning that. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 23:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
The soundtrack received many great reviews and a lot of different artists featured on it. Just for the record, notability only applies to article topics, and not the content itself. I suggest you re-read WP:N. Sebi [talk] 23:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Sebi -- point taken. Dihydrogen Monoxide -- there's the saying "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". In other words, just because other soundtracks do it doesn't mean it's the right choice here. What does the track listing bring to the article? What does it tell the reader? I still don't think the track listing has any use at all unless you already have the album, in which case you don't need it. - furrykef (Talk at me) 02:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Link: Age of Mythology Heaven

Added link to Age of Mythology heaven. It has loads more info than can ever be described on one wiki page. Also, is a place to go for support for the game, as developers have abandoned it. James 02:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed it. Per WP:EL, links to fansites are rarely needed, especially when the article is well referenced in its own right. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 08:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Age of Mythology experiment

Some Austrian scientists have used Age of Mythology in an AI experiment (slides, summary). Perhaps it could be mentioned in the article. JACOPLANE • 2007-10-9 18:00

Ooh, nice find. Thanks Jacoplane :) Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 06:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations to Dihydrogen Monoxide, and everyone else who helped with this article. :) · AndonicO Talk 12:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Aww, thanks mate. You didn't do too bad yourself. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. · AndonicO Talk 11:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Lazer Bear, Bella, Flying Purple Hippo, Fork Boy, etc.

There is nothing concerning the cheat units of AoM anywhere on Wikipedia. They are notable, and some of them (Lazer Bear in particular) have very interesting descriptions.

As Wikipedia is not a game guide, we don't cover cheats etc. around here. Sorry, Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 08:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I said the cheat UNITS, not the codes used to obtain them. Also, under further research, I have found that Wikipedia does not cover the AOEIII cheat units either. 67.42.180.114 03:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Units, cheats, same diff. We don't cover any of them - we're not a game guide, with the broadest possible definition. Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 06:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Is it perhaps worth menioning that the civilisation in the picture (the one with the town centre, three villagers etc) is the Greek civilisation as people who have never played the game would not know. TheTrojanHought (talk) 12:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. [2] Dihydrogen Monoxide (party) 00:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Board Game

This article needs something (or maybe it deserves it's own article) on the Board game version: [[3]] Just found it today, never knew it existed! --dotDarkCloud (talk) 18:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

You can create a new article if you like...the board game isn't that notable though. Not sure if it's worth mentioning (can you find more than one source?) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 01:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to remove date-autoformatting

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Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors. Does anyone object if I remove it from the main text in a few days’ time on a trial basis? The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links. Tony (talk) 13:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Go for it Tony, I hav no objections. —Giggy 01:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Campaign detail?

Given the FA status of this article, mant of course would not support any major edits per say but I was wondering whether the campaign plot section could use somewhat more detail. By no means do I think we should go over board, more like 4 paragraphs like most other FA articles that would take up slightly more if not the same space the current one does as the current one is mostly spaced out by spaces between sentances. Any thoughts? Stabby Joe (talk) 23:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I certainly have no objection to you making edits to that section (or any other!). I wrote that section a while back and haven't played the game in ages, but anyone with a good knowledge of the campaign is welcome to fiddle around with it. —Giggy 08:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, theres AN attempt at a more detailed campaign section. Stabby Joe (talk) 23:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Remake?

I dont think that AOM: Mythologys can be condsiderd a remake, i'd call it more of a spin-of

Merger

I think we should merge these to article because Roman Legion barely has any refs holding it up and is not very notable outside the topic of Age of Mythology.--(NGG) 04:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how it even qualifies as notable. I'd nominate it for deletion, if I were you. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 19:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Agree - nominate for deletion instead. Homebrew games, 3rd party or fan-made expacks have no business here. Fanx (talk) 16:29, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Higher res photo

We need a slightly higher res photo of the meteor photo. It looks FAR too pixelated. Bahahs 00:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahahs (talk • contribs)

Where's the gold edition section ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.22.163 (talk) 22:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Compatibility issues

The compatibility section may be a bit misleading as AOM:The Titans works with no problems at all on both 32 and 64 bit versions of Windows 7 without any patches or "hacks". I'll try to find some more info regarding this besides a single Microsoft page that most likely has not nor will ever be updated, but as a long time player who currently runs AOM on Windows 7x64 I personally would say delete that section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.57.19 (talk) 02:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Civilian Units

In the Buildings section, it states that all civilian units are trained at the Town Centre but the trading units i.e the donkey thingy that I cannot recall the name of that is trained at the market. Also, only villagers and gathering animals are trained at the Town Centre. Jbhf1 (talk) 12:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Fan Patch

A community attempt to re-balance the game, and provide further maps, fix bugs and generally enhance the multiplayer experience. This could probably make it into the main article. Fan patch topic : http://www.rts-sanctuary.com/The-Titans/showtopic=213812&st=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.46.149.158 (talk) 20:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

FAR notice

I plan on placing this article for FAR soon. But before I do that, I am saying the issues the article have here. The main issue it has is its sources. I do not believe that sources like "Age of Mythology Heaven", "ToTheGame", nor "MobyGames" are reliable sources. GamerPro64 03:50, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

HD Remake for steam teased

The developers released a teaser for an HD remake on steam.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1z7rrz/age_of_mythology_is_coming_to_steam_finally

This should be included in some way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.38.215.188 (talk) 01:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

http://www.ageofempires.com/aom.aspx 173.27.58.224 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:58, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Dates, expansion, features of expansion, and circumstances of the expansion

These things should be added to the page. Be sure to use sources!

You can find or ask about news from devs on the steam forum or on http://www.reddit.com/r/AgeofMythology/

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