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Appeal of warning re: WP:ARBAA2 made by user:Seraphimblade

I wish to appeal the warning posted to my talk page and to the arbitration enforcement log by user:Seraphimblade for edit warring at Sheylanli. I was not edit warring, I only made one revert. All my edits including the revert was made in good faith. I feel that I am unfairly being tarred by the same brush as a revert warrior who was reverting not just my edits but admin user:Golbez's edits in Nagorno-Karabakh and trying to insert the harshest of POVs. Seraphimblade's reasoning for believing that I was edit warring is here where he erroneously believes that four edits of mine were actually reverts. Only one of those four links is an actual revert and it was a good faith revert because I was reverted before without any explanation. To summarize:

[1] is not a revert. It's adding new material and accuracy
[2] is a revert because I was reverted without any discussion in talk.
[3] is not a revert. I was removing a propaganda site and I was never aware that it had ever been removed before. This is a new edit.
[4] I am adding tags that have never been added before. Not a revert.

They were all good faith edits and they were all discussed in talk. Just because someone reverted my edits shouldn't mean that I should be tarred by the same brush. I was not edit warring and my only intention was to come to a consensus on that article. If the same standards that have been applied to me were applied to all edits in wikipedia than every single edit that was not a clear addition of information only would be considered a revert. Please give this your consideration. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 20:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You don't really need to appeal warnings. They're just meant to inform possibly unaware editors that they could face sanctions; there is no hierarchy of "warning --> sanctions". Although it is true that editors should generally be warned before facing sanctions, this is only because it is unfair to sanction someone for behavior which they did not know was sanctionable. A general warning is very common, and does not imply wrongdoing or upcoming sanctions; the warning you recieved is similar, but points to specific behavior which could lead to sanctions. Whether or not you feel that behavior violated the restrictions isn't really important, since the warning is merely meant to inform you of it — if your behavior wasn't in violation, then you will not be sanctioned. Warnings aren't retracted, because they merely serve an informational purpose — the fact that you have been informed is irrevocable, so even someone saying "your edits were AOK" will really change anything with any real significance. --Haemo (talk) 00:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My talk page says it's a warning however the arbitration enforcement log says "Pocopocopocopoco (talk · contribs) notified of discretionary sanctions due to edit warring in the affected areas. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)" which seems like it's more than a warning. I believe that entry should be removed from the arbitration enforcement log. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 00:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree you weren't revert warring, however, while sanctions can be appealed, you can't appeal notifications. PhilKnight (talk) 10:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This user, ideologically quite similar to User:Xasha, has a record of incivility toward me. I will not at this point dredge up his past attacks (including accusing me of insanity and drug addiction) or repeat what the controversy is about - a summary of that can be read in my recent report on Xasha. I will, however, highlight two of his recent personal attacks, made after Xasha was warned and then blocked for such attacks, something Moldopodo was well aware of (a message in which, incidentally, he expressed agreement with Xasha's personal attack on me). First: he attacked a very logical argument by User:Dahn thus: "...your Greater Romania crap propaganda style rhetorics. This is encyclopedia and not a forum for expression of your irredentist POV". Not only is such language inaccurate, it's quite inflammatory. In any event, his second attack, directed towards me, is highly inflammatory, false and offensive: "one does not need to be a rocket scientist to understand, that giving a user his/her just description has nothing to do with the dispute...If the user is ethno-racist, then the user is ethno-racist, it's impossible to call him/her "Red Rose", no, it's ethno-racist. Dispute or not, edits of the concerned users repeatedly prove negation of everything Moldavian and organising collective proaganda of Greater Romanian Balkan crap on the entire Wikpedia and all related projects" (bold mine). Essentially, what he is saying here is that he reserves the right to call me whatever he pleases if he thinks it's accurate, WP:CIV, WP:AGF and WP:NPA notwithstanding. I hope and trust the enforcers will beg to differ, keeping in mind the Digwuren restriction and perhaps even the Digwuren warning, and certainly the fact that Moldopodo is already under an editing restriction. Biruitorul Talk 00:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we should automatically put anyone that edits those pages on arb restrictions. RlevseTalk 01:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's quite possible to edit those pages without personal attacks - I have done it, User:Illythr has done it, User:Thedagomar has done it, and so forth. I should point out that after I notified Moldopodo of my report, he replied with further personal attacks: "You are what you are, for the negation of the simple fact that is recognized by the world's community, Romania as well. Instead of proving what a civilised Romanian you are, you prove the common stereotype of uncivilised gypsy related Romanian that exists all over in Europe" (bold mine). So he continues to stand by his "ethno-racist" comment, and furthermore calls me an "uncivlised gypsy" - an attack not only against me, but against the Roma people, by equating them with being uncivilised. Biruitorul Talk 05:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So it's OK to call 3 mil self-declared Moldovans a "fantasy", UN-memeber Moldova an "illegitimate" state that "should be absorbed by its rightful owners, Bucharest, without delay", and the EU "a dangerous neo-Stalinist creature", as you did, Mr. B? (Now, administrators, consider how would you feel if instead of Moldovans he would talk about your nationality, and instead of Moldova about your country.) No, he didn't call you an uncivilised gypsy. He just mentioned the stereotype existing in Europe, as proved by the recent antiRomanian (a lot of them gypsies, or at least this is how Romanian media presents them) actions in Italy, and noted your behaviour may further instill it. (This doesn't mean I share his opinions, I just wanted to show that you're ready to do anything, even deliberately changing the meaning of somebody else's comment, to get your view promoted. How could we trust you on your offline references, when you disgracefully distort a message viewable by everybody here?)Xasha (talk) 08:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I happen to respect WP:CIV, WP:AGF and WP:NPA, and last I checked, lambasting the EU was not in violation of those. He said I "prove a stereotype". It'd be best if he abided by WP:NPA: "Comment on content, not on the contributor". Biruitorul Talk 13:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Such an attack on EU shows your fringe opinions are not limited to Moldova. And I think anyone can easily see what fringe has such a view on the EU, and how harmful someone supporting it could be to Wikipedia.Xasha (talk) 20:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
First, this report is about Moldopodo, not about me. Second, I'd be happy to discuss the EU's perfidy with you, but not here. Third, I defy you to show how I've "harmed" Wikipedia, but again, not here - this is about Moldopodo. Biruitorul Talk 21:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are you afraid you'll also be judged? I think you assumed that risk when you decided to complain here.Xasha (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Again, if you have a formal complaint to make it, please do so; however, I am not the subject of this complaint. Biruitorul Talk 22:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Personal attacks, racism and uncivility are not the same thing as views about political bodies. bogdan (talk) 21:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Biruitorul, here you are again, making your ridiculous case strong by an old tactics proven on Wikipedia talk pages - filling another previously blank page with your imagination and even worse - perverse reading analysis. All I have to say to those who are going to consider the case, just go through the relevant talk pages and see yourself. I have nothing more to say, as I am afraid, this request will require a couple of archive pages with Biruitorul's traditional "feedback"... Biru, why are you called "Biruitorul"? (Winner in Moldavian) Who or what are you winning over? I am sorry, but I will always consider a user like you either a child, an unhealthy mature individual or a simple nuisance to Wikipedia. One thing for sure - the mere fact that you deny Moldavian nation, Moldavian language and Moldavian state makes further discussion with you useless until further treatment.--Moldopodotalk 00:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note to enforcers: the user has made another personal attack on me, saying he will consider a user like me "either a child, an unhealthy mature individual or a simple nuisance to Wikipedia", and accusing me of mental illness, saying he will not discuss with me "until further treatment". Biruitorul Talk 00:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Note how he is again twisting the meaning of Moldopodo's words. Treatment means nothing but proper administrative action against Biruitorul (i.e. "the techniques or actions customarily applied in a specified situation" [5]). (This is what I tought the first time I read his message, and I think, unless Moldopodo denies it, this is the meaning we should consider per WP:AGF).It is really disturbing how this guy can misrepresent reality.Xasha (talk) 08:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moldopodo blocked for 48 hours. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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