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The Signpost: 31 August 2022

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2022).

Guideline and policy news

  • A discussion is open to define a process by which Vector 2022 can be made the default for all users.
  • An RfC is open to gain consensus on whether Fox News is reliable for science and politics.

Technical news

Arbitration

  • An arbitration case regarding Conduct in deletion-related editing has been closed. The Arbitration Committee passed a remedy as part of the final decision to create a request for comment (RfC) on how to handle mass nominations at Articles for Deletion (AfD).
  • The arbitration case request Jonathunder has been automatically closed after a 6 month suspension of the case.

Miscellaneous

  • The new pages patrol (NPP) team has prepared an appeal to the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) for assistance with addressing Page Curation bugs and requested features. You are encouraged to read the open letter before it is sent, and if you support it, consider signing it. It is not a discussion, just a signature will suffice.
  • Voting for candidates for the Wikimedia Board of Trustees is open until 6 September.
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Tech News: 2022-36

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 September. It will be on all wikis from 8 September (calendar).
  • Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on 6 September at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis) and on 8 September at 7:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
  • On Special pages that only have one tab, the tab-bar's row will be hidden in the Vector-2022 skin to save space. The row will still show if Gadgets use it. Gadgets that currently append directly to the CSS id of #p-namespaces should be updated to use the mw.util.addPortletLink function instead. Gadgets that style this id should consider also targeting #p-associated-pages, the new id for this row. Examples are available. [1][2]

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23:20, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Junkers Ju 187

See 187 Strassenbande. There's often a reason for this sort of vandalism, if one is curious enough to find out! (Blame my OCD-like real tendencies.) BilCat (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-37

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  • The search servers have been upgraded to a new major version. If you notice any issues with searching, please report them on Phabricator. [3]

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01:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting opening soon!

Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election opens in a few hours (00:01 UTC on 15 September) and will last through 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:27, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to get WikiProject Amateur Radio back on the air!

Hi, I'm Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) and I'm currently doing my best to resurrect the amateur radio WikiProject. A lot of the articles need some serious work and so I'm trying to organize an article improvement drive in October. If you're interested check out the link to the drive and the project page. Right now everything is in the planning stages, trying to find people interested, articles to focus on, etc. So if you know anyone who would like to help out feel free to invite them! If you no longer interested in this project that's a-ok just remove yourself from the list on the project page and I'll never badger you again. 73! Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) 00:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Correction to previous election announcement

Just a quick correction to the prior message about the 2022 MILHIST coordinator election! I (Hog Farm) didn't proofread the message well enough and left out a link to the election page itself in this message. The voting will occur here; sorry about the need for a second message and the inadvertent omission from the prior one. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-38

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Two database fields in the templatelinks table are now being dropped: tl_namespace and tl_title. Any queries that rely on these fields need to be changed to use the new normalization field called tl_target_id. See T299417 for more information. This is part of normalization of links tables. [5][6]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 September. It will be on all wikis from 22 September (calendar).
  • In Kartographer maps, you can use icons on markers for common points of interest. On Tuesday, the previous icon set will be updated to version maki 7.2. That means, around 100 new icons will be available. Additionally, all existing icons were updated for clarity and to make them work better in international contexts. [7][8]

Future changes

  • In a group discussion at Wikimania, more than 30 people talked about how to make content partnership software in the Wikimedia movement more sustainable. What kind of support is acceptable for volunteer developers? Read the summary and leave your feedback.

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MediaWiki message delivery 22:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting closing soon

Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election closes soon, at 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. The voting itself is occurring here If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, September 2022

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Tech News: 2022-39

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Parsoid clients should be updated to allow for space-separated multi-values in the rel attribute of links. Further details are in T315209.

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 September. It will be on all wikis from 29 September (calendar).
  • Visual diffs will become available to all users, except at the Wiktionaries and Wikipedias. [9]
  • Talk pages on the mobile site will change at the Arabic, Bangla, Chinese, French, Haitian Creole, Hebrew, Korean, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. They should be easier to use and provide more information. [10] [11]
  • In the Module namespace, pages ending with .json will be treated as JSON, just like they already are in the User and MediaWiki namespaces. [12]

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 30 September 2022

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Administrators' newsletter – October 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The Articles for creation helper script now automatically recognises administrator accounts which means your name does not need to be listed at WP:AFCP to help out. If you wish to help out at AFC, enable AFCH by navigating to Preferences → Gadgets and checking the "Yet Another AfC Helper Script" box.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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TheWikiWizard- September 2022

Hey, ZLEA! Here is the September 2022 Issue for the TheWikiWizard in October! We apologize for the delay.

Humor

  • It's time for Christmas, summer is coming to an end
  • What are you giving Santa for Chirstmas? (He told me to for you to leave more cookies and the Halloween Candy)
  • Halloween, give out money instead :P

Wiki(p/m)edia News

  • A discussion in regards to the new vector skin on EN Wikipedia had taken place, you can find it here
  • The Foundation Elections occurred learn more here
  • Quite a few successful RFA's took place, some include Z1720, and Dan Cherek! Congrats to all the successful RFA's!

Editor's Notes

  • Thanks for your patience as we are late with issues, you can join us if you want to help out!
  • Please note that sometimes the system may deliver this twice to you, but I only send it once
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See you in the next issue! --つがる Talk to つがる:) 🍁 00:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-40

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Recent changes

  • Kartographer maps can now show geopoints from Wikidata, via QID or SPARQL query. Previously, this was only possible for geoshapes and geolines. [13] [14]
  • The Coolest Tool Award 2022 is looking for nominations. You can recommend tools until 12 October.

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 October. It will be on all wikis from 6 October (calendar).
  • Talk pages on the mobile site will change at the Arabic, Bangla, Chinese, French, Haitian Creole, Hebrew, Korean, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. They should be easier to use and provide more information. (Last week's release was delayed) [15] [16]
  • The scribunto-console API module will require a CSRF token. This module is documented as internal and use of it is not supported. [5]
  • The Vector 2022 skin will become the default across the smallest Wikimedia projects. Learn more.

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:22, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-41

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Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 October. It will be on all wikis from 13 October (calendar).
  • On some wikis, Kartographer maps in full size view will be able to display nearby articles. After a feedback period, more wikis will follow. [17][18]

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14:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, October 2022

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Tech News: 2022-42

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Recent changes

  • The recently implemented feature of article thumbnails in Special:Search will be limited to Wikipedia projects only. Further details are in T320510. [19]
  • A bug that caused problems in loading article thumbnails in Special:Search has been fixed. Further details are in T320406.

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 October. It will be on all wikis from 20 October (calendar).
  • Lua module authors can use mw.loadJsonData() to load data from JSON pages. [20]
  • Lua module authors can enable require( "strict" ) to add errors for some possible code problems. This replaces "Module:No globals" on most wikis. [21]

Future changes

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:44, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-43

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Recent changes

  • There have been some minor visual fixes in Special:Search, regarding audio player alignment and image placeholder height. Further details are in T319230.
  • On Wikipedias, a new preference has been added to hide article thumbnails in Special:Search. Full details are in T320337.

Problems

  • Last week, three wikis (French Wikipedia, Japanese Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia) had read-only access for 25 minutes. This was caused by a hardware problem. [23]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 October. It will be on all wikis from 27 October (calendar).
  • Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on 25 October at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis) and on 27 October at 7:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
  • Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Assamese Wikipedia, Bashkir Wikipedia, Balinese Wikipedia, Bavarian Wikipedia, Samogitian Wikipedia, Bikol Central Wikipedia, Belarusian Wikipedia, Belarusian (Taraškievica) Wikipedia, Bulgarian Wikipedia, Bhojpuri Wikipedia, Bislama Wikipedia, Banjar Wikipedia, Bambara Wikipedia, Bishnupriya Wikipedia, Breton Wikipedia, Bosnian Wikipedia, Buginese Wikipedia, Buryat Wikipedia, Indonesian Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [24]
  • Starting on Wednesday October 26, 2022, the list of mentors will be upgraded at wikis where Growth mentorship is available. The mentorship system will continue to work as it does now. The signup process will be replaced, and a new management option will be provided. Also, this change simplifies the creation of mentorship systems at Wikipedias. [25][26][27]
  • Pages with titles that start with a lower-case letter according to Unicode 11 will be renamed or deleted. There is a list of affected pages at m:Unicode 11 case map migration. More information can be found at T292552.
  • The Vector 2022 skin will become the default across the smallest Wikipedias. Learn more.

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 31 October 2022

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Tech News: 2022-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • When using keyboard navigation on a Kartographer map, the focus will become more visible. [29]
  • In Special:RecentChanges, you can now hide the log entries for new user creations with the filter for "⧼rcfilters-filter-newuserlogactions-label⧽". [30]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 November. It will be on all wikis from 3 November (calendar).
  • The maps dialog in VisualEditor now has some help texts. [31]
  • It is now possible to select the language of a Kartographer map in VisualEditor via a dropdown menu. [32]
  • It is now possible to add a caption to a Kartographer map in VisualEditor. [33]
  • It is now possible to hide the frame of a Kartographer map in VisualEditor. [34]

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:14, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – November 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2022).

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Arbitration

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Tech News: 2022-45

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Problems

  • Twice last week, for about 45 minutes, some files and thumbnails failed to load and uploads failed, mostly for logged-in users. The cause is being investigated and an incident report will be available soon.

Changes later this week

  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the name of Chengdu Wing Loong-10

Wing Loong is name for export given by the manufacturer Chengdu while WZ-10 is a newly released formal designation by Chinese People's Liberation Army. Using Chinese military designation prioritizing over manufacturer export name is a convention on Wikipedia for Chinese military aircraft articles. For example Chengdu J-10, J-10 is the formal designation while FC-10 is the export name. Same as Xi'an JH-7 and its export name FBC-1, Chengdu J-7 and its export name F-7. Or the article can be redirected to "Chengdu WZ-10 / Wing Loong-10" as compromise. Infinty 0 (talk) 00:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infinty 0 WP:AIR/NC states that "If the type has multiple names then either use the most common or none if this would cause confusion." Both "Chengdu WZ-10" and "Chengdu Wing Loong-10" are acceptable titles for the article, but we have to choose one or the other. Titles with multiple aircraft names are generally used for aircraft families, such as Gulfstream G650/G700/G800, not single types with differing export designations. - ZLEA T\C 00:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CXCIX, November 2022

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Shahed Saegheh

There is just no source for what i changed, the drone has never been advertised as possessing stealth technology and doesn't possess it

Israeli propaganda used this when they shot down one using their F-35, making advertisement for it by telling "we shot down a stealth UAV" when it is not the case

It just doesn't require a source, this is how it was advertised, without mentioning any stealth capability, meanwhile a lot of people thinks it is stealth because it resembles to the Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel which was advertised as possessing stealth, Saegeh wasn't advertised possessing it

The edit was to make clear to people looking into it that it is not a stealth UCAV, so no one could use this to make propaganda

If it was used during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and shot down by Ukrainian forces, i am 100% sure they would have claimed they shot down "a stealth UAV" and trashtalking Iran, when it is not at all a stealth UCAV, and not advertised as such 2A01:CB04:133:8000:6A1F:E744:AB67:3B72 (talk) 18:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid a absence of sources is not good enough. Unless there is a reliable source which specifically states that it has never been advertised as a "stealth UAV", we cannot make the statement in the article. What is known is that numerous western observers have labeled the aircraft as a "stealth UAV", and to my knowledge Iran has made no attempt to refute these claims. I suggest you read WP:VNT. - ZLEA T\C 18:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What is deranging is that there is not even a single Iranian source on the article beside western medias or persian language affiliated and "analysis" from Saudi/Israeli funded think tanks, more deranging is that it contains sources from The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, reading the first line of the wikipedia article of this think tank will make you understand what it is, you just can't make a neutral article using those organizations and think tanks for something about Iran, it is like putting a Russian think tank or analysis of an Ukrainian weapon and using it to make claims, or using an Indian outlet for claims concerning Pakistan
[36] There is an Iranian source with the pictures of the advertised drone, there is no mention of stealth, neither on Shahed 171
In almost every Iranian made weapons article, there is barely mentions of Iranian sources, but western analysis, this Iranian sources does not mention stealth, western sources thinking it is stealth isn't a valable source for making a claim that it possess stealth technology 2A01:CB04:133:8000:6A1F:E744:AB67:3B72 (talk) 18:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Again, the fact that Iranian sources don't mention stealth technology isn't enough. If there is an Iranian source which refutes the west's claims of stealth technology, then we can change the article. It's not a problem Wikipedia can fix.
On a side note, the article doesn't claim the aircraft is a stealth UAV in the first place. The only appearances of the word "stealth" are in the source titles. - ZLEA T\C 18:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
At least remove the Washington Institute sources 2A01:CB04:133:8000:6A1F:E744:AB67:3B72 (talk) 19:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't believe a source to be reliable, feel free to bring it up at WP:RS/N. - ZLEA T\C 19:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-46

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Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 November. It will be on all wikis from 17 November (calendar).
  • There will be a new link to directly "Edit template data" on Template pages. [39]

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:B-17 family

Hi, I have a couple quick questions on Template:B-17 family

  • The groupings for Bombers and Transports have linefeeds in them, rather than spanning a single line–is that intentional or ? Just checking.
  • I was thinking to sub-divide the Notable aircraft entries into Extant and Non-extant (or similar wording)–does that seem OK, or any concern?

Thanks. Dmoore5556 (talk) 23:27, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dmoore5556 The linefeeds in the "Bombers" and "Transports" were intentional. Both are split into the two different designation schemes used ("Bombers" is split into Air Force and Navy designations, "Transports" is split into "modified Bomber (B)" and "Cargo (C)" designations). As for "Notable aircraft", I think it would be a good idea to split the section. - ZLEA T\C 23:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarification on formatting, and for sub-dividing that section in the Template. Dmoore5556 (talk) 23:52, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

44-6393 Starduster

Hi, the lead to List of surviving Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses notes that only six surviving planes saw combat. Five of those planes currently have Wikipedia articles; the one that doesn't is 44-6393 Starduster. I was thinking to create an article about that plane, as I believe its provenance makes it notable. I wanted to get your input as to if doing so seems worthwhile? Dmoore5556 (talk) 03:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dmoore5556 If you can find enough reliable sources, by all means go for it. I'm not familiar with that aircraft's history, so I doubt I would be able to help much. - ZLEA T\C 03:38, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'll work on it as time permits. Multiple sources indicate it was the command aircraft of Lt Gen Ira C. Eaker, commander of the Eighth Air Force, which adds to its notability. Dmoore5556 (talk) 03:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-47

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Recent changes

  • The display of non-free media in the search bar and for article thumbnails in Special:Search has been deactivated. Further details are in T320661.

Changes later this week

  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
  • Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on 22 November at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis) and on 24 November at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis).

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:20, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SH-3 Sea King/S-61 family

Hi Z, I'm thinking about creating a navbox for the Sikorsky SH-3 Sea King/S-61 family, but wanted to make sure you don't already have one sandboxed somewhere first. If not, I could work one up in a day or so. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 05:33, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BilCat I had considered making one, but I never got around to doing so. You can go ahead and do it. - ZLEA T\C 05:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. BilCat (talk) 06:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've got it started at Draft:Template:Sikorsky S-61 family, and will move it to Template:Sikorsky S-61 family when its done, if you want to go ahed and watch the page. I added a hidden field for "Accidents" where you have it in the S-70 box, but I'm not planning on adding those right now.
I also added a "Names" field, as I believe those are useful. I wasn't sure if you omitted that on purpose in some of your other boxes, but some readers only know aircraft by their names, or they have no designations, especially British aircraft, such as the Commando variant of the Westland Sea King. BilCat (talk) 00:06, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done BilCat (talk) 01:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I'm not against a "Names" section, but I sometimes forget to put one in. - ZLEA T\C 03:01, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
BilCat Is the Sikorsky HH-52 Seaguard a member of the S-61 family? There are links in the "See also" section indicating that the aircraft are related, but there is no mention in the article of commonality between the two types other than similar layout and engine (which doesn't necessarily imply relation). - ZLEA T\C 03:09, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, it seemed as close a connection as with the S-55, so I went with it. BilCat (talk) 03:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • A new preference, “Enable limited width mode”, has been added to the Vector 2022 skin. The preference is also available as a toggle on every page if your monitor is 1600 pixels or wider. It allows for increasing the width of the page for logged-out and logged-in users. [41]

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  • On some wikis that use flagged revisions, a new checkbox will be added to Special:Contributions that enables you to see only the pending changes by a user. [45]

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  • The Wikisources use a tool called ProofreadPage. ProofreadPage uses OpenSeadragon which is an open source tool. The OpenSeadragon JavaScript API has been significantly re-written to support dynamically loading images. The functionality provided by the older version of the API should still work but it is no longer supported. User scripts and gadgets should migrate over to the newer version of the API. The functionality provided by the newer version of the API is documented on MediaWiki. [47][48]

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  • The HTML markup used by DiscussionTools to show discussion metadata below section headings will be inserted after these headings, not inside of them. This change improves the accessibility of discussion pages for screen reader software. [51]

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Tech News: 2022-51

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  • Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 9 January 2023.

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  • On a user's contributions page, you can filter it for edits with a tag like 'reverted'. Now, you can also filter for all edits that are not tagged like that. This was part of a Community Wishlist 2022 request. [52]
  • A new function has been used for gadget developers to add content underneath the title on article pages. This is considered a stable API that should work across all skins. Documentation is available. [53]
  • One of our test wikis is now being served from a new infrastructure powered by Kubernetes (read more). More Wikis will switch to this new infrastructure in early 2023. Please test and let us know of any issues. [54]

Problems

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  • Edits can be automatically "tagged" by the system software or the Edit filter configuration system. Those tags link to a help page about the tags. Soon they will also link to Recent Changes to let you see other edits tagged this way. This was a Community Wishlist 2022 request. [58]
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RE: article "Shahed_129"

Hi please refer to this article by a reputable source on "martyr" vs "witness" translation of the word "Shahed" in this precise context. If you disagree, I am happy to discuss with you. https://english.elpais.com/international/2022-10-12/iranian-suicide-drones-russias-new-favorite-weapon-in-ukraine-war.html2607:FEA8:1F9F:A00:DE5:CAFD:B9A6:BD68 (talk) 23:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023

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Tech News: 2023-02

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Recent changes

  • You can use tags to filter edits in the recent changes feed or on your watchlist. You can now use tags to filter out edits you don't want to see. Previously you could only use tags to focus on the edits with those tags. [59]
  • Special:WhatLinksHere shows all pages that link to a specific page. There is now a prototype for how to sort those pages alphabetically. You can see the discussion in the Phabricator ticket.
  • You can now use the thanks function on your watchlist and the user contribution page. [60]
  • A wiki page can be moved to give it a new name. You can now get a dropdown menu with common reasons when you move a page. This is so you don't have to write the explanation every time. [61]
  • Matrix is a chat tool. You can now use matrix: to create Matrix links on wiki pages. [62]
  • You can filter out translations when you look at the recent changes on multilingual wikis. This didn't hide translation pages. You can now also hide subpages which are translation pages. [63]

Changes later this week

  • Realtime preview for wikitext is a tool which lets editors preview the page when they edit wikitext. It will be enabled for all users of the 2010 wikitext editor. You will find it in the editor toolbar.
  • Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on 10 January at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis) and on 12 January at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 January. It will be on all wikis from 12 January (calendar).

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why

Special:Contributions/90.254.56.9

is this you?, how about leaving me alone.and get this account off my talk pageJackson883941 (talk) 01:40, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jackson883941 That's not me. A CheckUser can confirm. - ZLEA T\C 01:45, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Very odd. BilCat (talk) 04:59, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As Heironymous Rowe seems to have implied, I wouldn't be surprised if the IP was Jackson883941. There are a few minor differences in comment style, such as the fact that the IP usually capitolized the first letter in a sentence while Jackson883941 did not. However, it's probably not a coincidence that the IP harassed Jackson883941 in addition to three admins. The IP's choice of admins to harass puzzles me as well. Heironymous Rowe was involved in this discussion started by Jackson883941, and 331dot participated in several other discussions on the same page and also had blocked the IP in December. As for Sdrqaz, I do not see any connection. - ZLEA T\C 05:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm surprised Jackson hasn't been indeffed before. They've been extremely uncivil in the past, not just recently in our interactions with him. As to the IP, hopefully someone will run a checkuser on them. BilCat (talk) 05:22, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As the comments on Sdrqaz's page, I guess we'll see what happens in 18 days. Someone's block will probably end, and be reinstated shortly thereafter! BilCat (talk) 05:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just discovered this IP which made very similar edits to User talk:69.127.80.35 as 90.254.56.9. I've added all three IPs to my watchlist, as something tells me it isn't over. - ZLEA T\C 06:01, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Veddy intwesting! See also this edit and following. BilCat (talk) 07:59, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And this too. That was a particularly nasty user. Seems Jackson been socking for a while now. BilCat (talk) 21:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And this one too. And I've had bad interactions with both of them. Makes me wonder if there's another connection somewhere to another sock farm. BilCat (talk) 21:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Problems

  • The URLs in "prev" links on page history now contain diff=prev&oldid=[revision ID] in place of diff=[revision ID]&oldid=[revision ID]. This is to fix a problem with links pointing to incorrect diffs when history was filtered by a tag. Some user scripts may break as a result of this change. [64]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 January. It will be on all wikis from 19 January (calendar).
  • Some changes to the appearance of talk pages have only been available on Talk: and User talk: namespaces. These will be extended to other talk namespaces, such as Wikipedia talk:. They will continue to be unavailable in non-talk namespaces, including Wikipedia: pages (e.g., at the Village Pump). You can change your preferences (beta feature). [65]
  • On Wikisources, when an image is zoomed or panned in the Page: namespace, the same zoom and pan settings will be remembered for all Page: namespace pages that are linked to a particular Index: namespace page. [66]
  • The Vector 2022 skin will become the default for the English Wikipedia desktop users. The change will take place on January 18 at 15:00 UTC. Learn more.

Future changes

  • The 2023 edition of the Community Wishlist Survey, which invites contributors to make technical proposals and vote for tools and improvements, starts next week on 23 January 2023 at 18:00 UTC. You can start drafting your proposals in the CWS sandbox.

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Tech News: 2023-04

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Problems

  • Last week, for ~15 minutes, all wikis were unreachable for logged-in users and non-cached pages. This was caused by a timing issue. [67]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 January. It will be on all wikis from 26 January (calendar).
  • If you have the Beta Feature for DiscussionTools enabled, the appearance of talk pages will add more information about discussion activity. [68][69]
  • The 2023 edition of the Community Wishlist Survey (CWS), which invites contributors to make technical proposals and vote for tools and improvements, starts on Monday 23 January 2023 at 18:00 UTC.

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T-54

Thanks for finding and adding that. I wonder what they'll name it. Goshawk? Maybe Stratoliner? BilCat (talk) 06:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The T-44 was named "Pegasus", so perhaps something mythological and/or Greek. - ZLEA T\C 16:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the T-44 is named "Pegasus", as mentioned in the Navy press release, but that didn't stop the Air Force from "stealing" the name for the Boeing KC-46 Pegasus. The convention up until then was to only have one name at a time for aircraft in service. My suggestion was a snide/sarcastic way of saying that the T-54 should "steal" a name from an in-service Boeing product. ("Stratoliner" would be an absolutely ridiculous name for multi-engine trainer!) Anyway, since aircraft names are approved by the Air Force Department, I doubt something like that would happen. The Navy might ought to request "Pegasus II", since both the T-44 and T-54 are King Airs, but I still doubt the AF would approve it either. So we'll see. They might go for a bird name, as with the TH-73 Thrasher. We'll find out eventually. BilCat (talk) 19:58, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Canada Goose"! - Ahunt (talk) 22:58, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2023-05

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Problems

  • Last week, for ~15 minutes, some users were unable to log in or edit pages. This was caused by a problem with session storage. [70]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 February. It will be on all wikis from 2 February (calendar).

Future changes

  • Wikis that use localized numbering schemes for references need to add new CSS. This will help to show citation numbers the same way in all reading and editing modes. If your wiki would prefer to do it yourselves, please see the details and example CSS to copy from, and also add your wiki to the list. Otherwise, the developers will directly help out starting the week of February 5.

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Administrators' newsletter – February 2023

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  • The Vector 2022 skin has become the default for desktop users of the English Wikipedia.

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  • Voting in the 2023 Steward elections will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
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  • Tech tip: Syntax highlighting is available in both the 2011 and 2017 Wikitext editors. It can help make editing paragraphs with many references or complicated templates easier.
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Tech News: 2023-06

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Recent changes

  • In the Vector 2022 skin, logged-out users using the full-width toggle will be able to see the setting of their choice even after refreshing pages or opening new ones. This only applies to wikis where Vector 2022 is the default. [71]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 February. It will be on all wikis from 9 February (calendar).
  • Previously, we announced when some wikis would be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. These switches will not be announced any more, as the read-only time has become non-significant. Switches will continue to happen at 7AM UTC on Tuesdays and Thursdays. [72]
  • Across all the wikis, in the Vector 2022 skin, logged-in users will see the page-related links such as "What links here" in a new side menu. It will be displayed on the other side of the screen. This change had previously been made on Czech, English, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. [73]
  • Community Wishlist Survey 2023 will stop receiving new proposals on Monday, 6 February 2023, at 18:00 UTC. Proposers should complete any edits by then, to give time for translations and review. Voting will begin on Friday, 10 February.

Future changes

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AMCA Propaganda

The above source you mentioned isn't readable & not free. it's a Paid book not a article. cannot be used as source Mailmax2018 (talk) 19:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

your beloved User talk:Hello642s vandalized page about Turkish Earth Mailmax2018 (talk) 19:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mailmax2018 Please read WP:SOURCEACCESS. Non-free and offline sources are indeed usable on Wikipedia. Just because you don't want to spend money to buy it doesn't mean it can't be used. Also, there is no excuse for making personal attacks. Even if a user has vandalized an article, you shouldn't call them "an idiot". - ZLEA T\C 20:01, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue 202, February 2023

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February 2023

About that revert of my edit of HAL Tejas Mk2 i believe the revert to be wrong since the max speed is at altitude unless sea level is specified. There is no source specifying max speed at sea level. This aircraft hasn't had it's first flight yet so i don't expect anyone to find a reliable source that specifies that the claimed max speed is at sea level. Not everyone editing wikipedia understands Mach conversion and how it relates to altitude so i think it's just a bad conversion behind the current value 919181512a (talk) 00:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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