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Wikipedia on Tablet Computers

Please is it possible to make edits on Wikipedia with a Samsung Galaxy Notebook? Because I don't see any provision for that here. Seanord (talk) 10:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, you can.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

How do I locate the edit text? Seanord (talk) 22:14, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

• First of all, make sure the page is set in desktop mode not mobile mode. Then, you'll get the page just the way it is on your PC. You should see the 'Mobile|Desktop' link at the bottom of your wikipedia page.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Reception and Reviews of African Films

I am trying to edit the reception section of the movie articles I have created and make them more encyclopaedic. I have taken a look at Hollywood movies and I found out that they all use Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic however these stated critics do not review most African films. I did some research on the internet and I found out that in terms of consistency and web traffic the top reviewers in Nollywood are BellaNaija Sodas and Popcorn, Nollywood Reinvented, NollyForever. I want to know if you think I can use them or I should just ignore that section in the film articles. And you also said something that I should stop quoting what these critics say but won't I be saying just what I think if am not quoting the critic? and how can a movie be reviewed if it does not contain quotes from the a reviewer? Just tell me what you think generally about the reception section of African films should it be removed totally or it should stay? Darreg (talk) 08:34, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

• Hi,

first of all, thanks for dropping the offences taken. I didn't mean to sound offensive.

now to your message;

Nollywood reinvented is okay.

Most critics post their reviews on newspapers, But you can always get them online.

Nollywood forever is just a review blog, I'm not sure it qualifies as a 'critic'.

I don't know anything about Sodas and Popcorn though.

I didn't tell you to stop quoting from critics. Infact, it's very important in the reception section. I only said you were quoting the wrong thing. You should quote the 'key-point' that covers the whole review or simply the conclusion of the critic.

I've cleaned up The Meeting; You can see I didn't remove quotes, I only modified them.

Again, try to get the rating scale of each critics. For example: for most reviewers, 50-60% equivalent usually means average. So a film getting ratings close to such figures or less is not 'critically acclaimed'. Enjoy :).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow...You have really cleaned up The Meeting article, I would use it as my guide for the other articles. Thanks. Darreg (talk) 22:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

• Try to check The Figurine, that should be a better guide. Happy weekend! --Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks my weekend has been fab so far and i hope you are also enjoyn yours. The Figurine article is quite comprehensive. the most comprehensive of an African film on Wikipedia that I have seen thus far. I wonder how you got that much information because I know they don't really take records in Nollywood. I noticed that you always express numbers in words when talking about accolades, I wanna know if its a rule or just your preference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darreg (talk • contribs) 23:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

• lol. You know, once you find a film interesting, you tend to find out about the 'behind the scenes'. Phone Swap, Last Flight to Abuja and The Meeting are still underway (in my secret sandbox). I recently posted the plot for phone swap. I hope to make those three articles just as comprehensive, eventually. Nollywood doesn't really hide records that much, they do keep them...We (Africans) are just usually too lazy to care about such things. We don't bother to dig them out. lol.

by the way, don't bold the casts, it's not encouraged....I just learnt that few days ago.

And it's not a rule to write numbers in words, It's just my preference. I feel it gives a kinda 'seriousness' to the article. writing numbers in figures looks like shortcut to me. lol--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:43, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I guess we are part of the select few to start searching for records and documenting them. I want to expand the Africa Movie Academy Awards article and I have been thinking about things to add...so far the only thing coming to my mind is a table containing statistics and records like most awards/nomination by an actress, most by an actor, award by country, most by a film, etc I was just thinking if you can think of anything that can also be added to expand the article. Darreg (talk) 12:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• I guess! it's cool....Expand and add as much relevant content as possible. You can check Academy Awards, I'm sure you'll see sections you can use for AMAA too. I know information can be gotten on history, nomination and voting processes, rules, categories etc. My interest is not in Award ceremonies for now. So, it's up to you and other editors.

Goodluck :)--Jamie Tubers (talk) 12:57, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Half of a yellow sun

How exactly is D'banj's "Bother You" song an accolade? The section shouldn't be titled accolade. According to a dictionary definition, the word accolade means "any award, honor, or laudatory notice" [1].

Multiple sources say the song is a soundtrack to the movie. Here are the list of sources I've come across:

• http://www.okayafrica.com/2014/02/12/dbanj-bother-you-half-yellow-sun-movie/
• http://allafrica.com/stories/201401231629.html
• http://hiphopworldmagazine.com/2013/12/21/onyeka-onwenu-and-dbanj-record-soundtrack-for-half-of-a-yellow-sun-movie/
• http://dailyindependentnig.com/2014/01/dbanj-to-release-half-of-a-yellow-sun-soundtrack/
• http://www.theheraldng.com/dbanj-release-single-video-half-yellow-sun-soundtrack/

You need to correct the section header Jamie. versace1608 (talk) 04:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

FYI: You said: "The song is not in the film, so it's not suppose to be under "Soundtrack" ". A song doesn't necessarily have to be played in the film before it's considered a soundtrack. According to the soundtrack article, "In movie industry terminology usage, a sound track is an audio recording created or used in film production or post-production." D'banj's song is a soundtrack to the film because 1.) multiple sources I provided confirms it and 2.) it is used in the film's post-production per the sentence quoted. versace1608 (talk) 04:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

• Hello,

Accolade just as you pointed out is an expression of praise and admiration for an item, so these; In February 2014, it was announced that D'banj would release a track titled "Bother You", a song inspired by the film, to coincide with the release of the film. D'banj was inspired to record "Bother You" after watching the film. The music video for the song includes images from the film signify "accolade".

soundtrack also includes songs inspired by. So, bother you can be still be listed in the soundtrack heading along with the other soundtracks, with the appropriate note (to address its relevance to the film) attached. what is needed in the "Soundtrack" heading is info on the OST album and the music score, then a full list of the soundtracks. Those sentences do not suit the heading. They are expressing how D'banj got inspired to record a song for the film after watching the movie, the focus isn't much on the "soundtrack". It is more of the "approval/Attention/praises gotten", so it is an accolade. That doesn't stop "Bother you" from being listed under the soundtrack heading when the full list is available. Cheers--Jamie Tubers (talk) 10:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

You are very argumentative. You remind of myself. You don't have to be argumentative when you do not have a case here. You simply cannot justify how the release of the song "Bother You" is specifically an accolade. Now you're saying that if more songs get release, "Bother You" should be listed under soundtrack. You ignored the definition of accolade and the sources I provided. I got an experience user to look into this and if he agrees with me, the section will be change to soundtrack per the sources I provided. versace1608 (talk) 13:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

• First of all, I'm not arguing with you. And I told you the other time not to try to psychoanalyze me, you don't know me. If you do that again, I may be forced to do the same.

D'banj was inspired to record and release a soundtrack for the film after watching the film. That obviously shows it's a reception related sentence, and it belongs to the accolade sub-heading. I also said when the OST album is released and D'banj's song is included, "bother you" will still definitely be listed with the other soundtracks in the Music and Soundtrack heading. That's not rocket science! Maybe you should check movie articles (especially featured and good articles) and see what is included in the Music and Soundtrack heading. Go to your experienced user. Cheers :)--Oyesunkanmi (talk) 15:12, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I hope you like the new section header. It's definitely better than "accolade". Lmao. Feel free to psychoanalyze all you want. I was only pointing out the obvious. You try so hard to make things difficult. You didn't have to plead your case to your heart's content. Sometimes, it's easier to admit being wrong than right. At the end of the day, no one is perfect and we're all here for the same thing, to make Wikipedia better. Cheers :) versace1608 (talk) 17:05, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

• If I wanted to psychoanalyse, I would've called you an ass long time ago. But I refuse to :P...lol.

The new section is much better than soundtrack! When the article is comprehensive enough to be split into subheadings, "Music inspired by" is actually a "reception" subheading just as "Accolade" while your "Soundtrack" is a subheading under "Production". Now take a chill pill ;).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:02, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't think we've resulted into name calling. This accolade/soundtrack thing was just minor. The bigger picture is that we are all here to work together and collaborate. I'm glad this is pass us. Moving on, have you thought about contributing to the Yoruba Wikipedia, or do you just want to stick strictly to the English Wikipedia? I don't know how to speak Yoruba; only if I had stayed in Naija longer. I'd like to see the Tiwa Savage and Wizkid articles in Yoruba. versace1608 (talk) 03:22, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

• Well, I warned you twice to stop making personal comments about me, but you refused. Now you see how rude I could get if we wanna go down that road. Discussions made on wikipedia (well, with me) should be strictly based on the articles concerned! And any appreciation should also be based on the articles concerned. I have a life outside here. If we can get that straight, I can be very nice. Thanks.

On the Yoruba wikipedia; I would love to, but I don't have that much time to spare for English wikipedia, talkless of doing both. I had to choose. I chose the English wikipedia, obviously because it has larger audience. I'm sure there are editors on yoruba wiki you can consult to do that for you. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 14:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

editor adding self-published work to various articles

Why did you revert me? Cubaking doesn't deny being the author of [2] and [3], books he has added to a number of articles. They are both obviously self-published. What checks did you make before reverting me? I've removed them again. Dougweller (talk) 14:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

• Hi,

I'm so sorry about that! I didn't know he was spamming every article with them. I just saw the books are related to the article and I reverted your edit. Sorry :).--Oyesunkanmi (talk) 15:24, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, no problem, thanks for replying. Dougweller (talk) 19:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

• It's cool :)--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:03, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Expansion of AMAA

Please can you help me with links that contain information as regards the development of AMAA awards. I need info on its legacy, statuette, e.t.c. I believe you have a way of getting links and sources as you did with the Figurine article. The brief history on their website is more like a stub, I need something more comprehensive. Also when analysing records and statistics for directors should the best picture category be part of the directors personal awards? And does it make sense to have so much tables in an article like am doing with the page....I sense its kind of awkward...please take a look at my additions to the page and tell me what you think about the present expansion....Thanks Darreg (talk) 10:36, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Don't mean to intrude into you guys conversation, but Wikipedia references are not only limited to online resources. You can always cite books and printed newspapers. If you could go to your local library, you may be able to find history textbooks pertaining to arts and entertainment. I hope this helps and I hope you're able to find more history on the AMAA. versace1608 (talk) 13:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your input Versace the only place I get info before now is whatever a Google search provides as results but how would Wikipedia know that my contribution is correct if I do not provide an online reference with it? Darreg (talk) 14:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

• Hi Darreg,

Lol, If I should start looking for links, it's as good as expanding the article. I'm kinda busy with film articles now. When I'm done with my TO-DO lists, I will try to consider the awards. I give you kudos! You've really done a wonderful job with the awards! It's good to have you on wikipedia :). On the 'table' question, well it all depends. Articles 'may' look mediocre when there are so many categories, when you could've just tabulated the information. For example, I seem to like the appearance 7th AMAA than the 9th AMAA. The later looks unnecessarily bulky (to me). You've really tried! Keep up the good work. versace1608, welcome to the discussion!--Jamie Tubers (talk) 18:08, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments am really glad a professional Wikipedian like you is thrilled by my humble contribution, I would convert the 8th and 9th to the 7th format as soon as the base article(AMAA) is in a comfortable form. But I still have a few unanswered questions in my first post as regards the article. Thanks. Darreg (talk) 16:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey you did not sign your post and for a moment I thought It was versace that replied me. until I remembered you are the only one that uses a bullet to begin your replies. I guess you have answered the questions. thanks. Darreg (talk) 16:32, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, sorry about that, I just signed the comment. To the rest of the questions. Yes, best picture category should go to the director. I don't think there's really any published info on the statuette of AMAA though. I think I should still have a self owned picture an AMAA statuette in my gallery.... So we can have a picture for the main AMAA article.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 18:08, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

@Darreg:: That's a good question. To answer your question, I'd say that if one decides to cite a book that is not available online, one would need to provide the ISBN number in their citation. If one finds an old printed newspaper, one needs to fill out the reference box with as much useful information as possible. The fact that Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia doesn't necessarily mean that editors can't cite old reliable resources that are not internet friendly. Wikipedia understands that not all reliable references are online. Take a look at WP:CITE/ES to get a general understanding of how to cite a book, journal, or newspaper in print. Hope this helps.

@Jamie Tubers:: Thank you for allowing me to join. versace1608 (talk) 18:03, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks I would be expecting the image soon Jamie. Darreg (talk) 14:58, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

The Multiple Nomination Question

If a single film receive 2 distinct nomination for a single category would it be counted as 2 or 1 when counting the nominations of the film in question? What I mean is let's say both Ramsey Noauh and Kunle Afolayan received nominations for Best actor in a leading role in Figurine, when counting the nomination for Figurine would this count as one or two? Thanks. Darreg (talk) 08:54, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

• I don't think this is possible (for various reasons). But whichever way, each nomination gotten counts.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Move reverted.

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Your posters

A friendly note: I re-tagged your latest file and some of your previous uploads for size reduction, not to annoy you but because of the non-free content policy (WP:NFCCP). The bot will automatically reduce them in some hours, so it's nothing to worry about. Widr (talk) 22:48, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! --Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Country of Origin of AMVCA

Happy Weekend Jamie. What do you think should be the country of origin of AMVCA...normally it should have been South Africa since Multichoice Africa headquaters is located in SA but the award ceremony and nomination parties has been done in Nigeria ONLY since inception and the organizers of the award are mostly Nigerians. According to Wikipedia guidelines do you think it should still be South Africa? Darreg (talk) 14:34, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

• The 'country' in the infobox basically refers to the country the award is presented. The 'country of origin' of the Organization that presents an award doesn't always count. Because most times, the award is not solely sponsored by the one that is 'flagging' the event. There are always co-sponsors, which maybe from other countries. So you see? we can't embed all the countries involved in the award ceremony. Therefore, the country the award is held is placed in the 'country' column.

BTW, I just checked and Amstel Malta is part of the AMVCA organizers. Probably other companies are involved too, So you see what I'm saying now?--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:33, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks bro. Your point was not only very correct but also logically consistent with other similar awards. Darreg (talk) 12:24, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• It's cool :)--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:32, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Conditions for AMVCA Entries

According to AMVCA official press release about the awards, all entries must have been aired on DSTV channels but in reality this is not the case. I can categorically state that there were many nominated works that were not shown on any of Dstv channels as at the time of the award in all the previous award ceremonies. I believe Wikipedia should be more about what is actually happening and not what an organisation says about itself. As soon as I get reliable independent citations to buttress this point, I would be including it in the article irrespective of what is on the official website. Darreg (talk) 07:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• Lol, do you watch every DSTV channels every minute at the same time (including the premium bouquet channels)? Anyway, anything on wiki should have a reliable source: If YOU 'think' they are lying, you can't include it on Wikipedia as it is termed 'Original research' and it's not allowed. It usually (if not always) alters the Neutrality of the article. If at all critics begin to come out and dispute claims OF AMVCA, then you can include it on Wikipedia. You won't still remove what the AMVCA published as their criteria, you will only add that the claim has been disputed by few/many critics (as the case may be). As for now, no one disputes what they published as their criteria, so their 'claimed' criteria should be what is on wikipedia. For now.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 18:35, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

The Headies

Greetings Jamie Tubers! For some reason, I wasn't watchlisting The Headies article; I didn't see the citation needed template you left at the end of the "History and plaque" section. I totally forgot to add a citation at the end of the section. I should kick myself in the foot right now. My question to you is, do you still dispute the statements of the aforementioned section? versace1608 (talk) 00:51, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

• I think I'm satisfied with the source given now :).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:20, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad you are. versace1608 (talk) 15:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Are you out of your mind or are you just plain stupid? How dare you come on my talk page and tell me what I can and can not do if you dare come on my page with another foolish comment or treat I will report you for harassment. How are you to tell me what I can and can not do on my own talk page Thesunshinesate (talk) 13:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Stay on articles that concern your interest do not come and start an edit war on an article you have not contributed to..Also it seems that you have made yourself the authority on several articles concerning Nigeria you can not bully people from editing. If you continue to tamper with articles I will report you to have all your edits and invalid sources that does not meet Wikipedia standards looked at on the admin noticed board. No not come back on my page with nonsense againThesunshinesate (talk)

This is your only warning; if you purposefully and blatantly harass a fellow Wikipedian again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Thesunshinesate (talk) 13:46, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

• It's now clear you are a propagandist :). And just so you know, everything on this website doesn't belong to you, including 'YOUR' talk page. Cheers--Jamie Tubers (talk) 14:25, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

@Thesunshinesate: You should be commenting on content and not attacking another user verbally. You need to warn yourself before you warn others. If you do not know, you can get block for the verbal insults you left on Tubers' talk page. You do not have the right to tell others what article to work on and what not to work on. Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Is the information you're removing from the the article unfactual? If it isn't, you can't remove it just because you believe it is an "anti government rant". Wikipedia articles must be written from a WP:NPOV. No sentiments attach. versace1608 (talk) 15:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Half of a yellow sun budget

Ytsadiku: Dear Jamie Tubers. I haven't made any further changes, as you keep reversing my changes, I am an Executive Producer of the film. The sources you quote for the budget are wrong, the budget was not even in N! The Nigerian newspaper you referred to did not speak to any of the producers to confirm the information.41.184.187.140 (talk) 21:39, 31 March 2014 (UTC)ytsadiku.

• Hello, another source has been provided and that is a youtube link of an interview of this same Yewande Sadiku with CNN and the amount she quoted has the same equivalent to what is on the Wiki page. You need to understand that everything on wikipedia has to be verified. We can't just take your word for it, you have to provide reliable sources to back up your claim. If you keep removing content without concrete and verifiable reasons, it is termed Vandalism. Thanks--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tubers

Hi Tubers, I've responded via the '76 (film) talk page. See you there. Stanleytux (talk) 22:00, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Contributors Award

	The Writer's Barnstar
	I did not have time to create mine so I decided to plagiarize one lol, anyway this is for your general contributions in raising the standard of African Cinema articles on Wikipedia to an encyclopaedic level. Darreg (talk) 14:42, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Darreg, It is appreciated :).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 16:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Awakening (2013 film)

The sentence that follows after the quotation made me add "a writer for Nollywood Reinvented..". The next sentence starts with "She". The paragraph doesn't tell me who "she" is. I can imply that "she" refers to "Nollywood Reinvented", but I would be wrong knowing fully well that Nollywood Reinvented is an online platform. The current state of the article doesn't tell me who "she" is. I think that if you're going to remove the edit I made, you should consider telling readers who "she" is or what "she" represents. I only added "a writer for Nollywood Reinvented" to show that "she" has some sort of affiliations with Nollywood Reinvented. Versace1608 (Talk) 21:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Pardon my last message. I know what you meant now. It's sort of like calling a country "she". I don't think that this is the norm on Wikipedia. I think that we should address a single entity as an entity. Using pronouns is sort of confusing. I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one confused. Versace1608 (Talk) 21:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

• Yea...I let the 'she' remain cos organizations are usually referred to with a feminine pronoun. Or maybe we can change it to 'it'? or maybe we start to rewrite the sentences, so it won't need a subject?--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:22, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

You are right about organizations being referred to with a feminine pronoun. However, this is not the norm on Wikipedia. Apart from this article, I have yet to come across a movie article on Wikipedia that uses a feminine pronoun to refer to an organization. Rotten Tomatoes, a website similar to Nollywood Reinvented, is always refer to by its name. In the case where Rotten Tomatoes has already been mention in the article, "the website" is used. Now that I understand what you meant, I don't have a problem with the sentence. However, not everyone will understand what you did, and those who are not familiar with Nollywood Reinvented may get lost in the trenches. Versace1608 (Talk) 22:13, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

www.nigeriafilms.com

Hello Jamie. Hope you are set for the holidays? If you should say the information on www.nigeriafilms.com are most times unreliable, I would agree with you. but saying its a forum is what I don't agree with. It is different from the way nairaland.com works. Any Jack or Harry cannot just go and publish something on www.nigeriafilm.com Darreg (talk) 15:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

• Alright, but my point is actually that the site isn't a critic website. The review you cited looks like some free style stuff. My opinion - I've seen some articles from the website and I don't think it is a site serious enough to be referenced on wikipedia (for claims especially).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Know about Twinkle?

Only asking because on the requests for rollback, you mention reverting one edit at a time. WP:TWINKLE has a function that acts like rollback, reverts all edits, but isn't really rollback. (You however DO need rollback for using tools like Huggle and Stik. You can enable it in your preferences panel, but review the documentation beforehand, as anything you do you're responsible for. It makes menial tasks like reporting/warning users/requesting paga protection/deletion/whatever just a whole lot easier. Your account has about 1500+ edits and I just want to make sure you know about it. It's a really useful tool. Tutelary (talk) 23:43, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hello, I'm quite aware of twinkle....for some reasons, I don't wanna use it (never been a fan of editing tools btw). Thanks anyway.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:53, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014

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• It was clearly stated in the opening credit of those videos: "the following movie has been exclusively licenced to ibaka entertainment". So the videos are not violating copyrights. Thanks--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
  • OK, sorry for the confusion; normally when professionally produced movies show up on YouTube they are copyright infringements. I checked out IbakaTV.com and they seem reputable. However, I still think that these links don't support your claims. I see French subtitles over Yoruba dialogue. Where exactly is the dubbing? —Psychonaut (talk) 15:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• So sorry about that. I actually meant subtitle. writing "Dub" was a slip of key I guess. I will change it now. Thanks :).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:50, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

your revert of revert of massive deletion

Please revert massive deletion of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Economy_of_Africa&diff=495758973&oldid=495749330 in some way.

No, I didn't do a perfect job, but the deletion is by far the greater evil. Lots of useful and relavant info got ripped out. It smells of somebody doing public relations, ripping out any facts that aren't rosy. For example, the section called Language Diversity is important, describing a communication issue that deeply affects the economy. That is but one example of many. 50.89.71.42 (talk) 07:12, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

• HI, Thanks for bringing this to my notice. I reverted your addition cos many things are contradicting the latest additions and most of the contents of that revision are unsourced - So obviously, the unsourced revision is to go... I just spot checked again and I saw there are some really useful content in it and few are sourced, while few others can be sourced easily just by using search engines. When I have the time, I'll go through the revision and add the credible information. Thanks again.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

•  Done I've readded the content that can be salvaged.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:14, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Awakening (2013 film)

Thanks for your recent edit to the Awakening (2013 film) article. I wanted to revert that particular edit, but didn't do so because I know nothing about the film. Sometimes I guess things need to be done by instincts. Versace1608 (Talk) 20:58, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

• lol, I guess. I removed the name cos it wasn't mentioned anywhere that he STARRED in the film, but I left his name in the cast. I haven't seen the film either.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:50, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

HOAYS

Hello. I just read your reply on the talkpage. I concur with your position on the film being over-hyped in Nigeria after reading many reviews on it. I will still watch it when it hits the cinemas though. #TeamChinweltelEjiofor Darreg (talk) 23:35, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• LOL--Jamie Tubers (talk) 20:39, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Omotola Jalade Ekeinde

Hello Jamie Tubers, I just wanted to find out why you think "jOlade" is spelt as "jAlade". Although I am not really from that part of Nigeria but I have gone through most of her verified social media accounts and they spell it as jOlade with an "O". Aside that most people know her as jOlade. Darreg (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

• Well, because her name was never "Jolade". As you can see, she was born as "Omotola Jalade" to Mr and Mrs "Jalade". You know for Naija, people like to dey do oversabi. I guess someone concluded that the name was wrong and people started using Jolade, resulting in both words being used interchangeably. Yea, "Jolade" sounds more reasonable, but I think "Jalade" is like a deep traditional word from her town or something. I guess she accepted her fate and got used to the misspelt word and that resulted in her fb account having "O" (there was a time she had two fb accounts; one with "O", another with "A" - she later merged them). Her other social accounts use just "J.". Incase you've not noticed, she's never been credited in films as "Jolade". Not once! THAT'S WHAT I THINK.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:13, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

You were right about her credits in most films. I am a little obsessed about seeing an image in that Nse Ikpe Etim article. I have tried contacting her via social media but she hardly ever replies anyone online. How do you think I can go about that? Darreg (talk) 11:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't even know if these celebrities read their Wikipedia articles. I say this to say that I have tried contacting musicians several times via their management, but to no avail. @Darreg: I stumbled upon this image and these images of Nse that Bellanaija owns the copyright to. I doubt they will reply though, but you can try to contact them. On the bright side, I want you to visit this webpage. All the images you see on that page can be uploaded onto Wikipedia once I request declaration of consent forms for them. I can guarantee you that they can all be added. Just go through the page and give me names of the people whose articles are missing images. Versace1608 (Talk) 15:08, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Versace. I will really appreciate those images. The following are articles that I will love to upload an image. I hope we are not asking too much from the copyright holder.

• Yvonne Okoro - Yvonne Okoro's article
• Shirley Frimpong Manso giving her acceptance speech- Shirley Frimpong Manso's article
• Osas, Vimbia and IK image -For AMVCA article to depict the hosts of the ceremony
• Desmond Elliot article
• Rita Dominic article - I don't like the present image in it.
• Olu Jacobs and Joke Silva article
• Ivie Okujaye article
• Joselyn Dumas article
• Emem Isong article - I will create it
• Kunle Afolayan article
• Funke Akindele's article
• Aki and Pawpaw article
• Jide Kosoko article - I will create it
• Tope Tedela article
• Kalu Ikeagwu article
• Monalisa Chinda article
• Obi Emelonye article
• Majid Michel article
• IK's article

Darreg (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I will request the images later on during today. I will not include images for those who do not have articles just yet. When you create articles for these individuals, I can request them at a later date. Versace1608 (Talk) 16:17, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks dear, just let me know when you have sent it. Darreg (talk) 18:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

• Wao! Nice collections at Ameyah's page. I may need some pictures there as well when I start my biography articles.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:04, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Dear Jamie Tubers

Dear Jamie Tuber, Thank you for checking on my test work. Kindly advise of the first thing needed on wikipedia. Meanwhile, i searched for Eateries in Nigeria but were not available. Therefore, i am interested in writing article on it. Kindly advise on steps to be taking for a successful article.Olaniyan Olushola (talk) 22:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

• Hi, welcome once again! And thanks for joining the Wiki community. Your area of interest is "on point". The easiest way is to check on other articles on eatries, just to see how they are written, then follow the same format. The most important part is; make sure you give enough references. Your format can always be corrected, but if the article is not well referenced, there are some unfriendly editors and admins that are ready to tag your article for deletion in a heartbeat, instead of putting you through - it's what they do best! Lemme introduce you to my wiki mini family: Versace1608 and Darreg. Whenever you leave me a message and I don't reply on time, I'm sure they'd be willing to put you through :). Regards--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For your diligent work creating solid articles about movies covering sometimes difficult or controversial, but important, content. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:26, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks a LOT! I appreciate this :)--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:18, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Gidi Up

Greetings Tubers, take a look at the Orange Is the New Black article and tell me if the changes I made to the article isn't identical? A list of episodes article looks like this; it has nothing to do with the changes I made. If you like the simplicity of your version, I suppose that's okay. I was just trying to help out because I kind of like the show after watching it. Thanks for recommending it to me. Versace1608 (Talk) 19:28, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, thanks for the contribution. Just that normally, Wiki prefers articles which aren't list articles to be presented as prose (i read it sometime like that). It's when they can't be well represented as prose that it's necessary to use table format. To me, the state of the article before the edit looked much better as prose - Atleast for now that we don't have "episode count", "cast sessions" etc that can make the section warrant a table. Or what do you think? BTW, what I wanted to post in the edit summary was "list of characters" not "list of episodes". Check some popular series like: Game of Thrones, Prison Break, Legend of the Seeker, Merlin, 24 etc.

I don't see any reason why the Gidi Up article can't contain tables. I feel like the list of Gidi Up characters can have its own article, something similar to the List of Orange Is the New Black characters. I also feel like the character description column I included in the table can be removed, which will make the table drastically smaller. Anyways, it's all up to you. I will probably write a detail description for each episode in Season 2. Prison Break was good, but I prefer Orange is the New Black. It's been getting a lot of buzz here in America, and the Nigerian American actress who's in it is one of the stars of the series. Before I forget, I like Legend of the Seeker and Merlin; its sad that they had to stop filming them. If the ratings are not good, they normally canceled television series in America. Versace1608 (Talk) 22:47, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

• I'm hoping I'd create "list of episodes" article soon for the series. I don't wanna create "List of characters" cos I'm not sure I can get alot on the characters right now - Atleast till we are given the backstories of the characters. But if you feel you can write anything tangible on the characters, please go ahead and create the article. I also couldn't write plot summary of the season 2 just yet, cos the season hasn't been concluded.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:05, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

If you're going to create a list of episodes article, I suppose I could help you out with that. I have never seen you edit in your sandbox. I guess you dedicate lots of time to completing articles all in one go. I used to do the same thing when I first started editing Wikipedia. I remember spending 8 hours writing Tiwa Savage's Once Upon a Time album article. If I create a list of characters article, will it be okay to restore the table I had without a "Character description" column? Versace1608 (Talk) 00:16, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• It depends, I feel you can leave the short character descriptions. You know you'd still have to break each characters in sections and explain everything about them in detail. For now, I only know Yvonne is from Onitsha :D. lol. Btw, I don't finish my articles in one go lol, how can I do that? I have my own "private" sandox. Python is one of the web developing programmes Wiki uses and I'm kinda familiar with the programming language. I have a software I tweaked to do exactly (or almost similar) what a sandbox/wiki page does. I do most of my editing offline (I just save the reference pages and go through them much later). I'm currently working tirelessly for the "cinema of Nigeria" article. It's such a heavy task!--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
• That reminds me, why don't we have "dorobucci" page yet? :D. Please doroCreate it! DoroThank you! DoroRegards. :D--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:32, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Nice. Is the Python language easier than Java? I know a little bit of Java and C++, but suck at them in the grand scheme of things. I can't wait to see the cinema of Nigeria article. Hopefully, it can become a good or featured article. I will re-watch all the episodes this weekend and come up with something. I don't think we (the viewers) will get to know each character in excruciating detail. The nature of the show won't permit us to. "Dorobucci" is a hit. I still can't fathom how it got more than 100,000 views in less than 24 hours (Crazy numbers). I need to find out if it has received reviews. I will try to create it ASAP. Versace1608 (Talk) 00:51, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

@Versace Your countryman just added Ebola to our long list of problems. We now have Ebola added to Corruption, Power failure, Boko Haram, Insecurity, etc *Don't take this comment seriously o*. @Tubers Python programming language again? Your versatility is second to none. You are quite knowledgeable in many aspects of human knowledge (films, music, programming, photography, engineering, etc). It really annoys me when people attach "duro" to words anyhow, please if you are on my talkpage don't use it o lol . *Don't take this comment seriously o #justkidding*. Concerning Gidi Up I really want to contribute to the article. I enjoyed the season 2 even though I did not watch season 1 at all, cuz I was not feeling it. I will add plots for some of the season 2 episodes soonest Darreg (talk) 21:21, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

• @Versace1608: Well; this is how we were taught in school QBasic - C++ - Java - python. So I guess it isn't easier than Java.

@Darreg: thanks for the compliment, but I'm not so much of a "guru". It's only proper for an Engineering student to know programming. And don't be such a pessimist lol, let's hope the Liberian National won't cause an outbreak in Nigeria. I'm sure the health guys are doing everything that's possible.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Broadcasted v Broadcast

I note you have reverted my corrections of broadcasted to broadcast, on Gidi Up, a couple of times now.
Broadcasted is a common misconstruction of Broadcast, which appears on Wikipedia:Lists_of_common_misspellings/B

Some dictionaries include broadcasted, but the use is proscribed, so it should not be used, other dictionaries, e.g.Chambers state "Sorry, no entries for Broadcasted were found".
Broadcast appears in all dictionaries, so should be used throughout, as per COMMONALITY - "Wikipedia tries to find words that are common to all varieties of English".

A Beta search for Broadcast on Wikipedia, carried out today, gave over 182,600 uses, compared with a search for broadcasted which gave just 28.
Of these 28, 13 are redirects to the correctly titled "Broadcast" articles, 5 relate to a 1924 cartoon, and the rest are misspellings in quotations or titles.

I have corrected it again - please do not change it back - thanks - Arjayay (talk) 17:05, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

• of course broadcasted will be a redirect to broadcast, same way "took" will always be redirected to "take". And last I checked, "took" doesn't exist at all as a word in most dictionaries. Well, the article is written in a specific variety of English (Nigerian). Words like "broadcasted" together with so many words that maybe considered to be incorrect in other varieties is correct. According to Wikipedia policies, this should not be changed without a broad consensus. I'm reverting it back! If you have a problem with it so much, take it to the article's talkpage.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Patoranking

Please see Template:Infobox musical artist for Wikipedia's definition of origin. I know that in Nigeria (and other parts of Africa), you guys consider the birthplace of someone's parents to be their origin. This is not the norm on Wikipedia. As a matter of fact, origin on Wikipedia means "a town, city etc., from which the group or musician originated (that is, the place where the group was founded, or where individual performer started their career, should it not match the location of their birth). If the place is not known, specify at least the country. Do not add a flag icon. Omit the country if it does not differ from that specified at the field "birth_place". I tried explaining this to User:Pyxon, but he couldn't be reasoned with. He doesn't realize that Wikipedia is govern by rules. I took this to the edit warring administrative noticeboard and he got block for a period of 24 hrs. Just thought I let you know in case you think that his edits were justifiable. Please read Darreg's response on my talk page. Darreg's comments were on point as far as I'm concern. Versace1608 (Talk) 00:34, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oh! I see. The origin I added was not to mean "place of birth". Origin in Nigeria generally means the place where one's ancestry is found. Indigene is synonymous to native because they both refer to hometown which means place of birth or growing up. And Patoranking wasn't born in Ebonyi, neither did he grow up there. I only corrected it to give a more explicit meaning. But if you think it's wrong, please do change it back!--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:43, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I restored the article to one of its cleaner version. Versace1608 (Talk) 00:58, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

@Versace You said "...you guys consider the birthplace ..." like you are not also one of us. lol Darreg (talk) 12:38, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I didn't mean it like that. Please do not take it out of context. Versace1608 (Talk) 13:06, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I apologise for the unintended insinuation attached to my comment. I didn't even expect you to reply or even take my comments seriously. Darreg (talk) 15:12, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

University of Ilorin

Congratulations to your school for being number 1 in Nigeria. Versace1608 (Talk) 17:08, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

What school was number 2? lol. Darreg (talk) 17:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

The information on Daily Times is false, here is the official rankings from Webometrics. Darreg (talk) 18:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Daily Times wasn't the only newspaper that reported the story. The Nigerian Tribune, Osun Defender, allAfrica all reported the story. Is the list on the Webometrics website the updated list for 2014, or was it from last year? Versace1608 (Talk) 18:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Versace, even though I can't exactly say I'm proud of it anyway. Darreg, Webometrics just as the name suggests ranks universities based on their online presence. Nothing more.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 18:20, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

You are right about it ranking web presence only, but they are still the most recognized ranking website in the world. I removed the info on unilorin wiki page since 4icu does not have a wikipedia page yet. If you read the tribune article well you will note that they were mentioning 4icu and webometrics interchangeably (very poor writeup). Here are links to the 2 rankings to avoid any ambiguity. Webometrics Ranking and 4icu Ranking

@Jamie Tubers: Why are you not proud of this? @Darreg: Thanks for correcting the info. I don't know much about both rankings. Like I told you on my talk page, I just came across the info on Facebook and decided to add it to the article. Versace1608 (Talk) 19:13, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• Versace, only me know that one lol. Darreg, you shouldn't remove the info, it was reported by notable newspapers. Webometrics is popular, but everyone around the world knows it's not a serious ranking organization that's based on educational capacity of the school. Search for 4icu on wikipedia, most universities include their ranking. It's okay to add the webometrics ranking in the wiki article as well though. And I will revert your edit.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 19:43, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

@Darreg: @Versace1608: and @Jamie Tubers: how are you guys doin? You are reali doin a great job here. I love you all. Darreg my best friend. In life we disagree to agree. As for unilorin, I think webometrics is realiable to an extent.Wikicology (talk) 21:24, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• Welcome! And no one said webometrics isn't reliable.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Africa Movie Academy Award spinoff articles

You recently reverted a series of main article templates I added for overlinking, which is certainly plausible. My motivation for adding the templates was this apparently misguided AfD where the nominator apparently did not realize the article was a spinoff: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Africa Movie Academy Award for Most Promising Actor. I had thought that adding the {{main}} templates as they are included on many other WP:SPINOFF articles might avoid this mistake in the future. Do you have any thought on how best to avoid this problem? 24.151.10.165 (talk) 20:11, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Hello, the reason I reverted the edit is because the first sentence in each of those articles links the parent article; so adding a template just above it is irrelevant. Then again, the "Main" template is not for the spinoff articles, it is to be placed in applicable section of the article from which the spin off came from. Lemme explain; spinoff articles usually have summarized paragraphs in the parent article, the "main" template is placed at the top of such summary section to show there's a more comprehensive article on the subject.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 20:53, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. The type of usage I was talking about is included in the template documentation but is "controversial" as it notes: "This template can also be used in articles leads when an article is not the 'main' article for its subject, but this is controversial." Having seen a number of spinoffs like this, I thought it was standard. So, I guess we'll just leave as is and hope no one else makes the same mistake the deletion nominator made. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

No Subject

Anymore messages, cyber-bullying, making reviling threats, and removing my education to the article and I will reach out to the The FBI Internet Crime Center. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwikk35 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

• No one is cyber bullying you. Stop adding BS info to the article. AND stop edit warring! discuss your case with other editors. One more revert from you and you'll violate 3RR....I wish you luck.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:11, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I just reported him/her. The message he left on our talk pages is funny. I was laughing when I read it. I decided to delete it because humors like that don't belong on my talk page. Versace1608 (Talk) 00:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Linda Ikeji as a Gossip Blog

I have to admit that over the years the Gossip Tag has been synonymous with Linda's blog. Many prominent entertainers have also criticized her for publishing unverified (or seemingly false) sensitive info, but I will love to crave your indulgence to the current positive trend that has been happening of late on the blog. I believe she is trying to remove the gossip notion about her site from her recent reportage. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to make a case for her being a reliable source, I am only saying that the "Gossip" notion is gradually becoming a myth based on recent observations. I will observe her more to see if she continues with the reliable trend. Darreg (talk) 21:59, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• That's a good observation, let's watch and see :)--Jamie Tubers (talk) 17:27, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Dry

I just watched the very interesting trailer of Dry on Youtube and I can deduce that some part of the film happen to be shot in Wales. I guess that IP user was not really disruptive afterall. Darreg (talk) 20:56, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

• I know it was shot in Wales before.....It's in the body of the article infact. The IP was adding Wales to the "Country" section in the infobox and that's wrong! And btw when you add anything to Wikipedia (even if it's true) and the edit is controversial, but you didn't explain in the edit summary and didn't add a source....it's disruptive.-Jamie Tubers (talk) 11:30, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Incidentally I'm from Wales guys :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Good to know that :). And kudos to you for your numerous contributions on Wiki.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 11:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

List of Nigerian films

Hi, you might be interested in adding missing films to this list.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hello, thanks. I'm aware of the article. I was hoping I'd expand the article after creating more articles on Nigerian films (so I can do it once and for all). Thanks once again! :)--Jamie Tubers (talk) 11:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Please join me in WikiProject Lagos

Hi Jamie. Please join me and invite other interested editors to join WikiProject Lagos by signing up at Participants. I'm delighted to collaborate with other editors to improve on and create excellent Lagos articles at our own conveniences - Cheers - Eruditescholar (talk)

• Hello, what's the purpose of the WikiProject? I'm asking cos the page doesn't give any info.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 20:40, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Lagos Info

I only created the project a few minutes ago and you are my first invite. I'll summarize by saying its all about making better articles relating to Lagos. I recently created a Lagos Portal and Template and will really appreciate your contributions to it. Eruditescholar (talk)

• Okay, it makes sense! I will be glad to participate--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:04, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar award

		The Special Barnstar
		Thanks for creating Gidi Up and its related articles. Versace1608 (Talk) 01:10, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks a lot. I appreciate :)

An award for you!

	The Nollywood Barnstar of Fine Editing
	For your much needed decent contributions to Nigerian cinema on wikipedia. Keep up the good work! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks a lot! I appreciate :)

Recent reverted revert of someone else's revert

I do not want to appear as contentious but unfortunately this just tells me that I seem to be your favorite to seek out EVERY contribution I make. I will make note of that so in the future should this persist (i.e. revert before review) then I have an fundamental example to show just when it was so obvious. Maybe, this is just your overall approach to things that are changed but not by you. I see by your talk page that you have received very unflattering comments from at least someone else that took offense to how he was approached about an issue. A knee jerk reaction is wonderful when the position being championed is on your side but that, in an emotional outburst cannot always upon be counted.66.74.176.59 (talk) 06:00, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Also, if one is reporting on "So and so went to the toilet and then wiped themselves clean" says enough about what occurred instead of "So and so went to the toilet, shitted a foot long length of feces, then wiped themselves" would omclude far more than what is needed to represent the activity--unless of course the subject of the statement was a foot-long shit.