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Melbourne, FL

I put the section back in, mainly because although a bit gaudy it was all true, and all seemed to be valid articles.

Perhaps get rid of the arrows, move to the back?

The Georgia Page

Actually, now that I think about it, I went to the Georgia page and went through the links of the major cities. When I went to each cities page I checked out there metro status and Macon came in third behind Atlanta and Augusta.

Dated cleanup tags

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Catholic Churches

You offered some comments last week about a proposed deletion of Incarnation Catholic Church and School (Glendale, California). You correctly noted that the article was rough, as it had just been started. I have been preparing articles on some of the significant parishes in Los Angeles and wondered if you'd have a few minutes to take a look and make suggestions on format, content, info boxes, etc. One of your notes indicated that the number of members was key data, and I agree, but do you know of any verifiable source to determine membership for Catholic parishes? Examples of the parishes I have so far created articles for are: St. Andrew's Catholic Church, Pasadena, St. Robert Bellarmine Catholic Church, St. Charles Borromeo Church (North Hollywood), and St. Finbar Catholic Church and School (Burbank, California).

Brandywine

Brandywine is a general disambiguation page (which Brandywine Creek and Brandywine River) point to.

I went through all the Brandywine references and updated them to point to the appropriate articles. There were and are many pages referring to either "Brandywine Creek" or "Brandywine River" and not necessarily pointing to the correct one.

"Brandywine River" can refer to: "Brandywine Creek (Christina River)" or "Brandywine Creek (Cuyahoga River)". or the fictional (Hobbit/Rings Trilogy) Middle Earth river.

"Brandywine Creek" refers to at least 25 different ones in the U.S.

(5) Brandywine in British Columbia, (2) Brandywine in Nova Scotia, and more outside of North America ...

Rivers are officially disambiguated by their downstream_parent, for instance Brandywine (Christina River), only when that fails, then a reasonable civil sub-division. See WikiProject Rivers for more details.

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Charles Adams

I am not particularly familiar with Vermont but I try to edit pages with correct links, sources, etc. Adams' page says the town so it has been fixed to that. Any correction to my corrections can be made. Thanks for the thanks!

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Thank you for your recommendation. I will work on it this weekend.

Causes of the us housing bubble

Thank you for your recommendation. I will work on it this weekend. Sguffanti

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(from a newbie who never, ever, signs his posts! And who overwhelmed an article with a gallery of pictures despite having been told by two editors about WP:NOTIMAGE. Ah, well. )

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I actually attend one of the middle schools, so that is why. User:Atum World/Toast

Pavlovsk

One of the purposes of the set index articles on Russian inhabited localities is to list the entities for which an article is not yet created but should be. Having those links makes the sets complete, generates the backlinks which help prioritize the articles to be created, points out to the correct title under which the article needs to be created, and, by aggregating all links in one place, prevents the proliferation of countless useless stubs which are basically one line repeating the description in the set index. Furthermore, there is nothing confusing about a red link. Please continue on that set's talk page if you still disagree. The only real problem with that page is that it is currently unreferenced; I will have that fixed.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 6, 2012; 14:22 (UTC)

Richard Hatch

Have you seen the page on Richard Hatch, especially the POV section on Tax Evasion written by his lawyers? Very interesting! Richard_Hatch_(Survivor_contestant)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)

ICHTHUS

June 2013

From the Editor

Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

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A Handel manuscript

• ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar
The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

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Help with St. Thomas

Can you help with fixing the biased contents of Thomas_the_Apostle page? This article still maintain that St. Thomas was killed in Mylapore, Chennai, South India while all evidence from Christian sources itself points to Iran / Indo-Parthian kingdom, currently in Pakistan as the place of his martyrdom, having executed by Zoroastrian king Mazdai. The article also refuses to accomodate St.Thomas traditions which state that he got martyred in South America having visited it. User:Jijithnr 09:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. notice that you are a regular editor on the page. Have include my suggestion for improvement here. [[2]] Do review and advice. Prodigyhk (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter

ICHTHUS

August 2013

From the Editor

Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.

The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.

Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.

Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.

Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.

Church of the month

This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.

Membership report
We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.

The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.

From the bookshelf

Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching by Maurice Casey 2010 ISBN 0-567-64517-7

In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.

Did you know...

Christian Demographics

• ... that in 1951 Christianity was the second largest religion in the world with 500 million followers, compared to 520 million Buddhists, but by 2013 it had gained the top spot with about 2.2 billion Christians?

Calendar
This month we celebrate the feasts of St Lawrence, St Bernard, and St Augustine.

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Konya

Please see Talk:Konya#Demonstration_by_women. --Macrakis (talk) 23:47, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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WHNV

This isn't a big deal for me, but why would you feel that the false construct that a NJ based registered supposed Vermont radio station that had a transmitter possibly in Vermont would be deserving of mention on a par with Presidents, etc. Just askin'.  ;)

BTW, where exactly was that transmitter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vttor (talk • contribs) 04:44, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree that if it was never in Vermont, it shouldn't be there to start with and certainly shouldn't be there now, as "history."

I don't know why it occurred to me to use "List of Presidents" as an example. I agree that was overly extreme to try to make a point.

My point was (and is), that this is the only place where the histories of these various stations can be retained, other than the article. I am not wild about the list to start with, but once we have it, information shouldn't disappear because the station is no longer soliciting ads from anyone. In other words, if we're allowing WP:SPAM-ish lists, they are going to have to take the bad with the good. They can't just be there when things are going wonderfully well, then disappear when they inconveniently fail. That just seems too obviously commercial IMO. Student7 (talk) 16:26, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Magdala sections

Take a look at the MOS page you keep citing:

If multiple sections are wanted, then some possibilities include:

• for a list of explanatory footnotes and/or shortened citation footnotes: "Notes", "Endnotes", or "Footnotes"
• for a list of full citations and/or general references: "References" or "Works cited"''

That's what's going on here. The section in question is not an external links section, to websites where you can read more. It is also not a further reading section, since the sources are cited in the inline footnotes. They are or may be cited more than once, which is why they are cited briefly in the footnotes (e.g., "Brereton and Savoury, p. 191"), and then in full the works cited section.

There's no mention of an "external references" header title; you must be confusing "external links" and "references", which are entirely different. "External references" is nonsense as far as I'm concerned. —innotata 02:16, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, can I change it back? I'd like a response if you don't want me to. —innotata 15:34, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

It seems clear. Student7 (talk) 21:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Government of New Jersey

Thanks for some of the edits you did on Government of New Jersey. I hope you don't mind, but I did restore the three links you removed from the See also section and added a couple more. Someone might find it useful, and I believe in redundancy...so if they're linked here and at history as you suggested, hopefully someone's interest is sparked by it. Can't hurt, right? I had spent some time bringing List of colonial governors of New Jersey to FL a few months ago and was working on Lieutenant Governor of New Jersey right now (a GA nominee at present)...that's how I came upon GoNJ when it was in need of improvement and expansion--something to do in my boredom when not writing about wine, Rutgers, northwestern New Jersey history, or poetry. Thanks again. --ColonelHenry (talk) 12:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

• FYI: WP:BURDEN only applies to situations where an unsourced statement is reinserted into an article...that contentious information in an article that isn't supported by a reliable source can be removed and the burden is on the person who reinserts it to provide a reliable source per WP:RS. WP:BRD, which I pointed you to in my edit summary, is when someone reverts an edit and invites the person to discuss it on the talk page to reach consensus. Since you say it doesn't belong in the see also, and I do think it belongs, and considering the lack of interest from other parties (i.e. other commenters), there is no consensus at this time. I've invited you to discuss it, you haven't...instead you seem to prefer an edit war to discussing and obtaining a consensus. If you'd like, I'll bring your desire to edit war over two harmless See also links to the attention of administrator for their resolution of the matter. The links are relevant to historical information in the article and discussion of how offices evolved into their current form--links that are placed also on other relevant NJ political or historical articles. --ColonelHenry (talk) 17:50, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Tends to clutter the article. We're trying to avoid clutter which tends to creep in usually in the "External links" section, but "See alsos" have become a distraction sometimes as well.

In fact, the similarity here is size. The "External links" are all "provably" external pointers to printed or web links. The problem/question is how many are too many? Usually ten. I realize that we haven't come anywhere close with NJ Government, but why shouldn't there be articles with a germane list that is fewer than ten? Student7 (talk) 17:55, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

There's a difference between clutter of 20 See also links some of which are not even remotely connected to the article's topic and 5 or 6 links like we have at Government of New Jersey that are entirely relevant (germane) to NJ political and governmental history and institutions. Seriously, that argument doesn't sell. In this specific article, it is rather ludicrous of you to be fighting a monster that doesn't even exist. --ColonelHenry (talk) 18:40, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Criticism of marriage - neutrality

I have seen that you have reverted several changes, stating in your summary that WP must present the subject of violence against women, legal inequality between husband & wife, marital rape, dowry violence etc from a neutral POV. But these are considered violations of human rights by the UN, and crimes under international law. Domestic violence, including marital rape, is listed as a human rights violation by international conventions.

The 1993 UN Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women lists domestic violence against women as a human rights violation, and defines it as:[3]

"Physical, sexual and psychological violence occurring in the family, including battering, sexual abuse of female children in the household, dowry-related violence, marital rape, female genital mutilation and other traditional practices harmful to women, non- spousal violence and violence related to exploitation".

Other articles, such as Rape, Murder, Child sexual abuse etc, are not presented in a neutral way, because these acts are officially considered human rights abuses by international organizations.

Please discuss this on the talk page of Criticism of marriage.2A02:2F0A:504F:FFFF:0:0:BC19:ABE6 (talk) 00:13, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

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October 2013

Welcome to Wikipedia. I notice that you added some content to Genocides in history that appears to be a minority or fringe viewpoint. Unfortunately, this edit appears to give undue weight to this minority viewpoint, and has been reverted. To maintain a neutral point of view, an idea that is not broadly supported by scholarship in its field must not be given undue weight in an article about a mainstream idea. Feel free to use the article's talk page to discuss this, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. This has been discussed on the talk page, which you participated in. Do not re-insert the material. GregJackP Boomer! 23:44, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

(Editor with the support of one other editor, attempting to intimidate me and a colleague from reentering WP:RS material, which is hardly WP:FRINGE. It was written by Guenter Lewy, q.v. Student7 (talk) 16:31, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Please stop. Articles on Wikipedia do not give fringe material equal weight to majority viewpoints; content in articles are given representation in proportion to their prominence. If you continue in this manner, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Again, consensus is that Lewy is fringe. Please stop adding his information to the article. GregJackP Boomer! 00:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it's two votes to two at this point. Not a consensus at all. The IP was Bullied away. But there's people out there who aren't as easily intimidated. Student7 (talk) 21:49, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Kauffner Checkuser

I know you dont know me, never met me, never said a word to me, but could you please have a look at this: [4]. I feel like I am being sent through the ringer here based on the slimmest of evidence. WeldNeck (talk) 16:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. Know little about detecting IP similarities. You might register and always sign on. That might help. Student7 (talk) 21:51, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Notification

WP:ARBEE due to your slowmo edit warring and use of genocide denier material. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:56, 16 October 2013 (UTC)