Talk:Cultural depictions of Abraham Lincoln

Why so many titles in talk

Why are so many titles (title listings) on the article talk page.--Dakota ~ ε 00:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

These are from imdb. Please, go through them, put them in the article, then remove them from the storage here. -- user:zanimum

I've removed this giant list. These are just fine on IMDB until they are demonstrated to be notable. Plus, a copy paste is a copyvio, don'tchaknow. --NickPenguin_(contribs) 03:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Aqua Teen Hunger Force

What about evil Lincoln? Rubedeau 07:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

You know more about him than I. Add away. -- user:zanimum

Not sure but i added the clone high bit and the south park episode where he comes alive

Merge

I am requesting a merger with the main Abraham Lincoln page. I see no point in keeping this list separate, and would appreciate user/editor comments on this.

rfernand 21:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a gigantic list that includes info about South Park episodes. Those wanting to see trends of depiction regarding Abe will find this useful, but very little of it would be useful in the main article. -- Zanimum 19:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Cultural depictions of Abraham Lincoln

I think that this should all be added to the Cultural depictions of Abraham Lincoln page. --YankeeDoodle14 04:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

What about Abe Lincoln: Freedom Fighter (1978)? For a review see Jabootu's Bad Movie Dimension. (205.250.167.76 23:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC))

Poll

To see if there's a consensus. I'll leave this up for 24 hours or so before acting. --YankeeDoodle14 05:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Support

1. YankeeDoodle14 05:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move, plus nom provides no evidence that suggested title is more typical, a contention that appears to be contrary to Andrewa's category reference. Mike Cline (talk) 02:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Cultural depictions of Abraham Lincoln → Abraham Lincoln in popular culture – This form of title is more typical for articles with this type of subject matter, and was suggested during the recent AfD discussion. Wtshymanski (talk) 20:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

• Comment -- Some years ago, many articles had a "popular culture" section dealing with literary, film, TV etc. despictions of the subject. In some cases this had been forked off into a separate article (as here). This one seems to ahve missed the cull or to have been re-created. I wonder whether some one should not nominate it to Delete at AFD. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Did you miss last week's discussion? --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:07, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose. Perfectly good title, see Category:Representations of people in popular culture and cultural depictions. No point in narrowing it down to popular culture, that's pointlessly over- precise. And I have to agree with the comment made at the AFD that there's at least a hint of pointiness to all this. There are some issues but this is not the way to address them. Andrewa (talk) 00:44, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

What the community considers article-worthy is a continuing revelation. --Wtshymanski (talk) 04:46, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Manchurian Candidate

'THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE"???---Abe is a virtual subtext in Frankenheimer's movie and there is no explanation of this in 1960-1969. Why not???--johncheverly 18:45, 21 September 2012 (UTC)johncheverly9/21/12/2:45pm.

Probably because this is just your own interpretation, and not supported by any reliable sources. Wikipedia has policies requiring verifiability and prohibiting original research. See Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. Saying that Lincoln is "a virtual subtext" in a film that has nothing to do with Lincoln is nothing but your own interpretation/point of view, and thus not appropriate to an encyclopedia. Now, if you were to find some reliable sources that made this connection and discussed it, it would be something that could be included. But we cannot include it based solely on your own interpretation of the film.--IllaZilla (talk) 19:35, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes. It would need sources, like critical reviews; so, if they exist, we can discuss those. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Dude,

Check out the Lincoln bust behind Lawrence Harvey.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm977372160/tt0056218

Dude, http://www.filmsite.org/manc2.html

Senator Iselin is reflected off the glass covering a portrait of Lincoln - juxtaposing the ghostly-thin, anti-Communist with a stalwart American from another era, as he fixes himself a drink. As a spineless puppet, Senator Iselin complains to his wife that he can't keep the number of Communists straight in the Defense Department: "I mean, the way you keep changing the figures on me all the time. It makes me look like some kind of a nut, like an idiot." She holds up a newspaper and proclaims:

Raymond's vicious, overly-smothering mother - sitting next to a bust of Lincoln and in front of a fireplace portrait of Lincoln - sabotages his relationship and potential marriage plans with the daughter of one of his step-father's political foes - she labels Jocie "a Communist tart." She interprets his romance as dangerous to her own plans, and maternally 'brainwashes' him to give her up:

http://www.filmsite.org/manc3.html

The celebration opens with images of American patriotism gone mad - there is a closeup of an American flag - a hand reaches out and defaces the flag with a trowel-like shovel. It scoops up the caviar from the star pattern onto a cracker to be devoured. The hand belongs to Johnny Iselin, who is dressed with a tall stove-pipe hat and fake beard as Abe Lincoln. He excuses his desecration: "It's all right, it's Polish caviar." Mrs. Shaw, who appears as Little Bo Peep (or Mother Goose?), reaches out with her long staff and pulls his arm - an apt metaphor for her controlling nature. Raymond, who is costumed as a Spanish gaucho, is extremely nervous about meeting his long-lost girlfriend.

The scene in the study between Raymond and his mother begins with a close-up of a black bust of patriotic father figure Abraham Lincoln - one of many such witty image compositions and motifs in the film (visually linking Iselin to Honest Abe). Raymond's mother divulges that she is his American controller - an agent for the Reds: "Why don't you pass the time by playing a little solitaire?" When he comes upon the Queen of Diamonds, she is unexpectedly called away and takes the card as a precaution. Jocelyn, however, finds Raymond in the study and is reunited with him - she is coincidentally (and improbably!) dressed as the Queen of Diamonds - the most appealing costume possible for him! After embracing, they depart to elope, and leave behind her card costume.

IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU DOUBTING DUDE???

--johncheverly (talk) 23:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)johncheverly/9/21/12/7:20PM.