User talk:Redrose64

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Railways

Hey. I saw the message you posted on Talk:Verney Junction railway station. You seem to be knowledgable on railways in that area and was wondering if you may be able to help in the writing of this article I've been working on, Railways in Buckinghamshire. I've done the history up to about 1906, but my knowledge of the post-grouping era is a little lacking, so any additions you could make would be well appreciated. If this doesn't interest you, don't worry. Thanks. Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 20:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

You certainly have a huge number of railway related books, maps and publications! I only have 2...! Anyway thanks for your help. Feel free to add stuff to article itself!

I noticed you are living in Didcot. Have you ever thought of writing a 'Railways of Berkshire/Oxfordshire' article? Cheers. Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 18:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|OllieFury}} Do you have my talk page on your watchlist? Just to be safe...! Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 20:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I watch every page I amend until nothing further occurs --Redrose64 (talk) 22:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Route box direction

From what I've been led to believe the direction should be up to London (i.e. north - south). I remember reading something to this effect many moons ago by User:AlisonW but can't for the life of me find it again. Lamberhurst (talk) 10:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

About the Oxfordshire disused stations template, I won't get around to this until I get my copy of Cobb's atlas back in mid-August, so if you want to make a start, feel free and I'll chip in later. I also see that you're in Didcot, I've been meaning to get the DN&SR article into shape at some point. Lamberhurst (talk) 11:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

County railway templates

Hi. I am compiling a list of all English {{Railway stations in county}} templates here, where I've just added Oxfordshire which you recently created. If you make any more, please add them alphabetically to that list! The same goes for any city station templates. Cheers. Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 07:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there a similar list for closed stations templates? I did also create {{Closed stations Oxfordshire}}, but it's not complete; reasoning is given in its talk. I did also put some messages on User talk:Lamberhurst inviting comment about both, which I now see you've noticed. Unless I get complaints by the time I get back from the shops, I'll continue! --Redrose64 (talk) 09:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

re: Can't find icons

I have added my revisions in your sandbox. Hope they help. But next time you may post your request in the project talk:Route diagram template so more users will know your situation. Anyway you're welcome. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 03:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Cite formats

Two citation formats are available here User:Jeepday/Cite Jeepday (talk) 13:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I am familiar with {{cite book}}, {{cite episode}}, {{cite journal}}, {{cite map}} and {{cite web}}, also with <ref></ref>, <references /> and {{reflist}} and have used all of these with varying degrees of success - what I'm lacking is an equivalent to {{cite book}} etc. which is suitable for referencing information pulled from a record sleeve or CD booklet. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I am not aware of template for that. Per WP:PRIMARY primary sources are discouraged, though WP:SELFPUB does allow for some use (i.e. number of tracks, copyright, etc). When ever possible secondary sources like books, newspaper reviews, etc should be the primary foundation of the article. An article without these secondary sources is more likely to be deleted for failing Wikipedia:Notability. So that is why there is not a cite template for record sleeve or CD booklet. Does this address your question? Jeepday (talk) 13:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

If I have in front of me, a CD titled Live at Cropredy '08 by Fairport Convention, which is on the Matty Grooves Records label, I want to add it to both the latter articles. I also want to create the former article for the CD itself, and show the track list and personnel. But you're saying that I can't, because I don't have a book or magazine which reviews it? I have found that track listings are common in Wikipedia album articles (it's the tiny minority that don't have them), but that track listings are rarely given in books or magazines. Thus, are the majority of album articles candidates for deletion? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

The complexities if WP:N are constantly subject to debate, and I am not the "expert" on it. I am not saying you can't add the info, just saying the template does not exist and because of above there are some issues with existing policy. You might go to Wikipedia talk:Template messages/Sources of articles and look for or start a conversation about making the template you want. The guideline WP:NALBUMS speaks to which albums are more likely candidates for deletion. But basically if the Only published source is the album cover, it would be a strong candidate for deletion. Jeepday (talk) 21:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Fairport Convention etc

Good job on the place of publication for the Woodworm era book. I'd love to know how Patcham, Kent got in there.--Sabrebd (talk) 13:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Er, it seems to have originated with this edit. Incidentally, there seem to be several cases where the same ref occurs several times with the same page number - this gives several identical entries in the reference list. These may be condensed - the easiest way is by use of the name= attribute on the <ref> tag. I also like to use the {{cite book}} template (the one does not require the other). We thus have:

Statement 1.<ref name=refexample>{{cite book |last1=Redwood |first1=Fred |last2=Woodward |first2=Martin
 |title=The Woodworm Era: The story of today's Fairport Convention |publisher=Jeneva |location=Thatcham
 |year=1995 |page=14 |isbn=0-9525860-0-2 }}</ref>
Statement 2.<ref name=refexample />
{{reflist}}

which comes out as:

Statement 1.
Statement 2.

I knew it was one of my edits, just dont know how I got the wrong place. I have to be honest I don't care for the cite book template as they make it so hard to read a page when editing. I tend to prefer using <ref name=>. As it breaks up the text rather less.--—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabrebd (talk • contribs) 16:15, 17 August 2009

Southern Railway multiple unit numbering and classification

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add content (particularly if you change facts and figures), as you have to the article Southern Railway multiple unit numbering and classification, please cite a reliable source for the content you're adding or changing. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --> - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhtpbank (talk • contribs) 08:04, 26 August 2009

Southern Railway multiple unit numbering and classification

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add content (particularly if you change facts and figures), as you have to the article Southern Railway multiple unit numbering and classification, please cite a reliable source for the content you're adding or changing. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhtpbank (talk • contribs) 08:07, 26 August 2009

I have provided my reference; but would like to know why my edit was singled out for reversion when the entire article was unreferenced. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Apology

Apologies- regret error in removing text on Barton Stacey station. Since you issued your comment I have since found reference elsewhere to it. I am endeavouring to update the "disused stations" section for you and to correct errors in the text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.251.141 (talk) 09:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Uploading image

{{helpme}} I've got an image which I want to add to the Port Meadow Halt railway station page. It's a 1280x960 JPEG photo of the station site, which I took myself, yesterday. However, never having uploaded an image before, I don't know how to go about it. I am particularly concerned with this business of "fair use rationale", which seems to be common grounds for the removal of many images. I don't want to get caught out, so how should I get clearance for it? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

You should upload it on commons:upload, choosing the 'It is entirely my own work' option; hopefully it's pretty self-explanatory on those pages. If you get stuck, use another helpme or (maybe better) talk to us live, with this.  Chzz  ►  18:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

(EC) Hi Redrose64.

Firstly, you need not worry about fair use rationales. These only apply to images which have not been freely licensed by their copyright holder, but which can be used under certain criteria. This is not relevant in this case, as you yourself are the copyright holder.

You should preferably upload the image at Commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=ownwork is the relevant upload page. I think the form is relatively straightforward, but if you have any further queries just ask. You can post a follow up Q here, or find me in the live help chat, here or here. ∙ AJCham^talk 18:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Done, thanks --Redrose64 (talk) 20:06, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

More imagey stuff II

Re old magazine cover scans: notes on copyright, which templates to use, etc. - try Template talk:Non-free magazine cover, also Wikipedia:Public domain; Wikipedia:Image copyright tags; Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Public domain; Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Non-free; Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.

• Some templates: Template:Non-free magazine cover; Template:Magazine rationale; Template:PD-US-1923-abroad; commons:Template:PD-old. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
• Some PDF docs: DURATION OF COPYRIGHT - Literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works

Image v File

When visiting toolserver, there is what I consider to be a daily list with double images/files. When I got it right, images on the different wiki should be replaced, one by one by a commons (file). Correct me if I am wrong. Ida Shaw (talk) 16:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess, if in a later stage all images on the different wiki will be on commons, there will be no need of the images anymore. Maybe right now just to keep track by the administrators looking into this. I feel sure, if I am doing something wrong here, an administrator would have informed me already. Ida Shaw (talk) 16:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

More imagey stuff

The rest of the above disjointed conversation is at User talk:Ida Shaw#Image vs File, User talk:Magnus Manske#Images from Commons and at User talk:Axpde#Image vs File. They don't help much, but poking around elsewhere it seems that Image: and File: are synonyms, although File: is newer. Most help page examples still show Image: - and indeed several help pages ignore File: entirely. See Help:Files, Wikipedia:Namespace#Aliases, Wikipedia:Images (talk), Wikipedia:Wikimedia Commons#Embedding Commons' media in Wikipedia articles, Commons:Commons:First steps/Reuse section Embedding Commons' media in Wikimedia projects, Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Chiltern Mainline stations

I've had a go at filling in two of the three missing Chiltern Main Line stations, Cropredy and Southam Road and Harbury. I was thinking that you could put all your good GWR knowledge to good use expanding them a bit, if you have the time. Rsloch (talk) 15:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I've made minor changes to the Cropredy station article, more substantial changes to Southam Road & Harbury station article and created discussion pages for both. My references to the Birmingham and Oxford Junction Railway are from memory, so if you know that they are inaccurate please amend and cite accordingly.

Whilst in that geographical area I greatly expanded the article on Claydon, Oxfordshire, and discovered that village has a museum of steam stationary engines. The museum lacks its own website and I haven't found a link that includes current opening times, but I've included in the article as much about the museum as I could glean from other websites. Motacilla (talk) 00:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Photo size

Usually for photos a quick way to reduce file sizes without sacrificing quality very much is if you have Microsoft Publisher, import the photo from its file and then right click on the photo and save it again, preferrably under .jpg. I'm not sure for other systems. Simply south (talk) 13:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I have MS Office "Home and Student 2007" edition, which doesn't have Publisher - only Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote. And the interface for Word & Excel is simply shocking compared with previous versions. I would have to have gone for the "Small Business", "Professional" or "Ultimate" editions to get Publisher. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:13, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I prefer the 2003 version. Never mind. PowerPoint 2007 should do the same job. Go to the insert tab, click on Picture, browse to where your photo is, double click (or press insert), then on the inserted image right click, Save as Picture then decide on either .jpg or .png for the file. Hope this helps. Simply south (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Found that I have MS Office Picture Manager 2007, bundled with the other stuff. It's not listed on the box. Select image, then Edit Pictures, then Resize. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Sully89

Thanks very much for your message Redrose64 and for dealing with this editor. In retrospect I should have issued an indefinite block. I will keep an eye out for the IP also. Best regards -- Samir 17:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|HappyInGeneral|Template:Combi}} Thank you! HappyInGeneral (talk) 19:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Sources with multiple authors

FYI and reference, I copied our discussion over to Talk:Blood pressure #Sources with multiple authors. Best regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 15:39, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

NATO video

Hi. Thanks for contributing to the discussion about the NATO videos' copyright status. Just to let you know that I've responded to your comments. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Yesterday's meetup

I don't belive so. Most of the discussion was about the editing we were doing and maps.©Geni 16:12, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Possible copyright violation?

{{helpme}}

Resolved

In the article Miranda Hart, there is an image File:Miranda 1.jpg (held on English Wikipedia, not Commons) which appears to be identical in appearance to one found on the subject's own website - the dimensions and file size are also identical. However, the Wikipedia uploader claims "I created this work entirely by myself.". How can we tell if the copy on Wikipedia is legal, and if not, what is the procedure for dealing with it? --Redrose64 (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried asking at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions? Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

We try to assume good faith - so it depends if you think it's reasonably plausible that it really is the work of the uploader - feel free to ask them on their talk page.

Sometimes, you can assess the likelihood of it being a copyvio yourself ; If it's very likely a copyright violation, then you could mark it as such, and propose deletion of it - either speedy deletion under the 'blatant copyright violation', or via discussion in WP:AFD.  Chzz  ►  22:50, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files; commons:Commons:How to detect copyright violations --Redrose64 (talk) 11:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, try Template:Wrong-license. Redrose64 (talk) 18:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Resolved, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#What should I do about a suspect image. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Button Fact

Hi Redrose64. I'm a bit new to the editing of pages in Wikipedia so thought I'd drop you this note on the Button fact you mention on the discussion page of "List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions". Sky Sports have the fact listed on their website at http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12538_5637133,00.html.

Can that now be used as a reference to allow you to include the fact on the main page?

Regards,

Boris —Preceding unsigned comment added by Borisbadgerbear (talk • contribs) 21:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Updated 2009 Formula One season with fact, welcomed above user also --Redrose64 (talk) 12:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Curved viaducts

Hi. I don't know if you noticed my reply to your question about curved viaducts on my talk page. MegaPedant (talk) 21:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done Redrose64 (talk) 08:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Wotton Railway station

Thanks for noticing that. I forgot to include the "closed" bit in the previous edit to the infobox. I have reformatted it correctly now. --DavidCane (talk) 23:20, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

To attempt to answer your other question, as the station saw LT services that seems to qualify it for the London infobox, as per Waddesdon. However, if it was served by both LT and other "national rail" services then the UK infobox would apply, as per Verney Junction. One question for you - do you think there would be any merit in creating an article on the Metropolitan and Great Central Joint Railway? Lamberhurst (talk) 08:32, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Mmm, it seems that Template:Infobox Closed London station provides far fewer features than Template:Infobox London station. The logical thing would be to have substantially the same parameters, so that should a station close, or reopen, it would be a fairly simple matter to insert or delete the magic word "Closed". For the "to think about" list methinks. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed and if you do work out how these templates operate, it would be useful to have usage data not only in the Template:Infobox Closed London station but also in the Template:Infobox UK disused station. Lamberhurst (talk) 11:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Met & GC Joint article, yes; we have one for the GW & GC Joint after all. Judging by Dow, vol. 3, pp.187-195, the Met & GC Jt Ctte was set up on 2 April 1906, and the lines covered would be:

• Harrow-on-the-Hill South Junction to Verney Junction;
• the Chesham branch;
• the Brill tramway.
• To these we would add Rickmansworth triangle and the Watford branch (opd. 1925).

The recently-opened Uxbridge line (July 1904) is specifically excluded. We would certainly also omit the Stanmore branch (opd. 1932).

As regards the section from Canfield Place to Harrow-on-the-Hill South Junction, this seems to have been built entirely by the Met, and the southernmost pair (of six tracks) were leased by the Met to the GC for 999 years from 1 March 1906, but does not appear to have been part of the Joint Committee.

Aylesbury station became doubly joint in 1907 (my Ian Allan pre-grouping atlas states "MET. & G.C. Jt. & G.W.& G.C. Jt. COMMS.", whilst this map uses a distinct colour (pale blue), denoted as "G.W.&G.C.J^nt AND MET.& G.C.JOINT"). --Redrose64 (talk) 11:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The joint railway is alreday redlinked from Template:Wycombe Railway RDT as Metropolitan and Great Central Joint Committee. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|Talk:Ares I-X}} GW… 23:46, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Should Persecution of Falun Gong be renamed into something else?

That is the question that is repeated again here: Talk:Persecution of Falun Gong#Requesting Move. Since you are not an involved editor, would it be possible for you to provide an input? Thank you in advance for your time! --HappyInGeneral (talk) 17:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I understand, that is OK, if you know somebody who would be interested in this topic please let him know. The point is that the page does need some impartial assessment. Thank you again. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 00:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

EKLR

Nice work expanding the article. I've sorted out the Stephens Museum links and they are all working again. Re the stations distances - are they in miles and furlongs? If so then I can sort out conversions to km. Are you intending to expand the carriages and wagons sections? This article has the makings of a GA in the medium term. Mjroots (talk) 06:35, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

All that I expanded was the locomotives section, because that's what I have info for. I added fully-linkable refs for my material. By fully-linkable, I mean that as usual, you click the little number to take you to the "References" section; but in there, additionally "Bradley 1967" is bluelinked, and clicking that will take you to the relevant row in the "Sources" section. This works in Firefox 3.0, IE6 and IE7, but looks better in Firefox 3.0 because the target gains a pale blue background. For some reason IE6 and IE7 don't do that - style sheet handling I expect.

Anyway, also under "Locomotives", I also improved the way that Lawson Finch & Garrett is linked through to the actual {{cite book}} template - these are also now fully linked, and so behave similarly to the Bradley refs.

I did nothing for station distances, but judging by paragraph 2 of East Kent Light Railway#Stations on main line, it's miles and chains (1 mile = 8 furlongs, 1 furlong = 10 chains, so 1 mile = 80 chains) - furlongs are rarely found in railway context but common in horse racing. Despite being unmetric, distances in miles and chains remain the official measure on Britain's railways; many WP articles show only mi:ch figures and ignore the metric equivalent. The {{convert}} template will handle miles and chains, but not nearly as compactly. Taking Eythorne as an example, the present Wikitext has

* '''[[Eythorn]]e.''' 1:52.

which renders as

• Eythorne. 1:52.

If you amend thus:

* '''[[Eythorn]]e.''' {{convert|1|mi|52|chain|km}}.

it will render thus:

• Eythorne. 1 mile 52 chains (2.7 km).

One common source of up-to-date distances is the "Railway Track Diagrams" series of rail atlases, also known as the "Quail Trackmaps" (home page). These mostly use miles and chains, only giving kilometres if that is the official measure on the line concerned - the Heathrow branch from Hayes & Harlington for example, as well as the whole of the London Underground. The current editions are mostly shown on their website but vol. 6 is out of print:

• 1 Scotland & Isle of Man (Map) (5th ed.). Railway Track Diagrams. Cartography by John Yonge. Trackmaps. December 2007. ISBN 978-0-9549866-3-6.
• 2 Eastern (Map) (3rd ed.). Railway Track Diagrams. Cartography by John Yonge. Trackmaps. September 2006. ISBN 0-9549866-2-8.
• 3 Western (Map) (4th ed.). Railway Track Diagrams. Cartography by John Yonge. Trackmaps. November 2005. ISBN 978-0-9549866-1-X. {{cite map}}: Check |isbn= value: invalid character (help)
• 4 Midlands & North West (Map) (2nd ed.). Railway Track Diagrams. Cartography by John Yonge. Trackmaps. March 2005. ISBN 0-9549866-0-1.
• 5 Southern & TfL (Map) (3rd ed.). Railway Track Diagrams. Cartography by John Yonge. Trackmaps. November 2008. ISBN 978-0-9549866-4-3.
• 6 Ireland (Map) (2nd ed.). Railway Track Diagrams. Quail Map Company. November 2003. ISBN 1-898319-68-5.

However these are near useless for lines which have been lifted. The surviving portion of the EKLR is in vol. 5, page 13.

Sorry, but don't think that I have any info other than what I added for locos. I do have some books on SR coaching stock, so might be able to expand the entries for coaches nos. 5 (1st & 2nd), 6 (2nd) and 7-11. Most are doubtful, particularly the 4- and 6-wheelers, since many C&W authors concentrated on bogie stock (it lasted longer so more information was available to them). --Redrose64 (talk) 09:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Charwelton (and others)

Hi Redrose64

Just seen your edits. Thanks - I was going to do that myself but you just beat me to it.

I've also added some info on the ironstone line. Just got to work out how to provide a source for it.

I'm also working my way through other stations on the Great Central Main Line in similar fashion - I've been absolutely fascinated by this line for years, walked from Aylesbury to Woodhouse, Sheffield in 6 days in 1978 (I was young then), saw part of Brackley Viaduct being blown up later in the year, managed to walk through Catesby Tunnel in just 40 minutes in 1980. (I am also quite mad!)

Regards Tonythepixel (talk) 19:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Might I suggest

• Tonks, Eric (1988). "Northern Group: The Northamptonshire Quarries: Charwelton Quarries". Part II The Oxfordshire Field. The Ironstone Quarries of the Midlands. Cheltenham: Runpast. pp. 124–136. ISBN 1 870754 02 6. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

--Redrose64 (talk) 19:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Charwelton again

Hi Redrose64

I don't own a copy, though it is higly likely that it will contain the info given in the Wikipedia article; alternatively it should perhaps be recommended for further reading. I have listed another source that I have seen online that definitely does give some of the info.

Although I've been creating/editing Wikipedia articles for a while now, it's only recently that I'm getting more into the "technicalities" of it, including the provision of references and sources etc. I shied away from this for some time which I hold my hands up to, but I'm now taking the bull by the horns so to speak. There's a good bit to learn, and I'm at an age now when my mind isn't as sharp as it once was, but one way or another I'll get there!

All the best, hope we can keep in touch.

Regards Tonythepixel (talk) 21:21, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Charwelton (sources)

Hi Redrose64

The info I put in about the Charwelton ironstone line came from three websites (I've taken the time to search for these and give their web addresses, so we can hopefully get this right):

www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/21/Ironstone_7.htm

www.steamindex.com/brj/brj5.htm

www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/c/charwelton/index.shtml

Perhaps these should be given as the sources and Eric Tonks' work recommended "for further reading". I'm simply trying to avoid having you spend time searching for things when really it should be me doing that.

Remember - I'm still learning!

Kind regards Tonythepixel (talk) 22:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Woodford Halse

Thanks for the message! I'm not vastly familiar with the workings of those templates so that's really useful in bearing in mind for the future. Regards,  — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 22:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Judy Dyble

Resolved

{{helpme}} I was under the impression that subpages could not be created in article namespace, but that restriction does not seem to apply to Talk: namespace. For example, see Talk:Judy Dyble/Comments. I found this page because Judy Dyble, being a page to which I have made significant contributions, is on my watchlist. A recent edit was carried out by User:Jude12, and I was curious to see what else this user had done; so looked at their contributions, which is where I found Talk:Judy Dyble/Comments, which was created by User:Jude12, and edited once, by the same user. There is no such page as Judy Dyble/Comments, and by my reckoning, there cannot be. What should be done? The following alternatives occur to me:

1. Ignore
2. Copy all the comments from Talk:Judy Dyble/Comments to Talk:Judy Dyble
3. as (2) and also mark Talk:Judy Dyble/Comments with {{db-talk}} as a talk page without subject page, per WP:CSD#G8
4. as (3) and also put {{subst:uw-creation1|Talk:Judy Dyble/Comments}} onto User talk:Jude12
5. as (2) and also blank Talk:Judy Dyble/Comments and turn it into a redirect to Talk:Judy Dyble
6. as (5) but use {{Soft redirect|Talk:Judy Dyble}} possibly with a message, so that should User:Jude12 go there again, they will be informed of their error
7. as (5) but put a suitable message on User talk:Jude12

Is it a task entirely for myself, or should consensus be obtained and an admin's help sought? --Redrose64 (talk) 12:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

• If I were you, I would be bold and do option 3. It is important that the comments are kept, and they should be on the main talk page of the article. I would also leave a uw-creation type message, but write your own rather than the template, explaining why the comments have been moved. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 12:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Option 3 followed, which has placed both Talk:Judy Dyble/Comments and Talk:Judy Dyble into Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. Hopefully only the subpage will go. Have stuck a {{hangon}} onto Talk:Judy Dyble just in case. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
• Done. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Good Work at the Diambig Links project

		The Wikilink Barnstar
		for working to speed up navigation by dilligently fixing links pointed at diambiguation pages! --SquidSK (1MC•log) 16:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help fixing the incoming links to Wallingford. --Una Smith (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Wallingford dab page

Thanks. I think this is fixed. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Brawn GP

Hey. I removed your comment from the WP:F1 page as it is a chatroom topic, not concerned with the editing of articles here. But in answer to your question: no, Mercedes are already there, being 2 for 2 in 1954 and 1955. Whether they can keep that up in 2010 is another matter... ;-) Pyrope 01:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't intend it to be seen as a "chatroom topic"; personally I never use chatroom sites. It was intended to be a topic which could stimulate interest, be followed up by those with access to relevant books, and thus be sourced and so be legitamately added to relevant articles. To my mind, within the scope of WikiProject Formula One there are pages containing items which are less notable. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I see where you were coming from now. Sorry about being a bit quick off the mark, but WP:F1 does tend to attract quite a few off-topic additions. Phrasing it more as an editorial query rather than a general comment would have helped avoid confusion. Pyrope 14:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Cholsey

Thanks, it is a nice station, except when it is raining. While I have not been there for some years, I would not want to litter it with surplus commas. Rich Farmbrough, 11:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC).

P.S. I am checking my alst few thousand edits for more of the same. Rich Farmbrough, 12:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC).

Section heading style

Whichever you like. On the whole SmackBot leaves these alone, certainly for its main task of dating maintenance tags. The substantial majority of headers in articles have no extra spaces, presumably in analogy to other delimiters like () {} <> but if you use the new-section tab you will get spaces, so I would conclude editors in general prefer without - though I have heard both points of view. Rich Farmbrough, 14:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC).

Reading Railway Station

I've now belatedly responded to your query of a couple of weeks ago on my talk page. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 21:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

BL 9.2 inch Howitzer

Re this edit - you can achieve the same, or at least a similar, effect by using {{clearleft}} (see also {{clear}} and {{clearright}}); this ought to be less prone to removal than <br />. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:05, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the information - I thought I'd tried {{clearleft}} before and it didn't solve the problem, but I just tried it again and it does work, so I'll use it in future. regards, Rod Rcbutcher (talk) 01:26, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Hanslope Ref List

Mate, I just cut 'n' paste what I see when I click the button at http://toolserver.org/~magnus/makeref.php When I get the warning message on the page I have edited that the carefully crafted ref I have inserted will not be displayed I cut 'n' paste what is suggested there - I can't see why that should be a problem. Don't like it? Take it up with this cove.

A word of caution: I usually calibrate my usually not insubstantial donations to Wp fund raisers on whether or not I am currently being given the shits (even mildly) by anal retentives and deletionists. Silent Billy (talk) 22:28, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

help with updating {{cite video game}}

Been trying to figure out how to update this template for something akin to the other templates like {{cite book}} and {{cite video}}, but as i'm not skilled at coding am running into a wall. One of the key problems is core doesn't have enough feilds. Video games are inherently non-linear so many of the usual citing of specific sections fail. In addition, like other media, every video game uses different divisors to determine where it occurs, if any.陣内_Jinnai 23:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

The thing to to is to examine all the distinct parameters which are recognised by {{Citation/core}}, and decide which would be most suitable for the information which {{cite video game}} is to show. For example, {{Citation/core}} has |Date= and |Publisher=, whilst {{cite video game}} has |date= and |publisher= - there is clear correspondence there. |Edition= could be used for |version=; |Surname1= for |developer=, and so on. (please wait, Redrose64 (talk) 23:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC))

Brackley

I've removed the WP:Crystal tag which you gave to the "future" section of Brackley Central. I've added in a few refs backing up the reopening claims, in particular for a station at Brackley. Lamberhurst (talk) 17:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd seen that section some months ago, with the occasional (mostly harmless) tweak from IP editors; but a cluster of edits today (also IP) kind-of kicked me into action: I felt that it was time to do something about it. I didn't simply strike the lot because there could have been grains of truth - which you have been able to locate. However, reopening to Leicester is less, not more, likely following the demolition of the viaduct there (see The Railway Magazine, January 2010, p.8 "Woman chains herself to Great Central bridge") - a students' leisure centre is apparently to be built on the site. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:34, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Quite right: read (and see) all about it at Braunstone Gate Bridge, except that I haven't put in the latest news. Lamberhurst (talk) 21:19, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Cite web, Quotes in wrong position

Hi Redrose64, thanks for the comment on the cite web Talk page. Funnily enough I had wondered if the question was on the wrong Talk page so I put a brief mention here on [1]. As a newbie I'm not sure how to mention your response or how to move the whole discussion to Template_talk:Citation/core as you suggest. Do you?--Lidos (talk) 10:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

You seem to have raised your question at Template talk:Citation and not at Template talk:Citation/core - basically, there are several citation templates, including {{cite web}}, {{cite book}}, {{citation}} (over ten in total) and all that these do is to pass data on to {{Citation/core}}, which does the donkey work. I have raised a fresh section in the proper place: it can be found at Template talk:Citation/core#Quotes in wrong position bug.

BTW: when providing links to other Wikipedia pages, the pipe thing doesn't work. It's also best not to use the full URL. See Help:Link So, instead of this:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Citation#Cite_web.2C_Quotes_in_wrong_position|Template_talk:Citation]

use this:

[[Template talk:Citation#Cite web, Quotes in wrong position|Template talk:Citation]]

Thanks, --Redrose64 (talk) 11:13, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the discussion to the right place. It's good to see that people are generally in agreement, and that a solution has been proposed. (The coding is beyond me!)--Lidos (talk) 09:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

SECR PMV

I was wondering what you thought of my suggestion at WT:UKRAIL#Notability Q re working an article up in the article incubator. Alternately I could create a sub-page of my user page for this. Mjroots (talk) 09:47, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I saw your last comment there; but thought that it was directed at the general community. Anyway, not sure what an "article incubator" is, unless it be another term for sandbox. Further comments in this thread will shortly be posted back there. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Redrose64. You have new messages at Sabrebd's talk page.
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Nimbus V and Alycidon

I ahve not noticed any reference to British railway locomotives that were named after these particular racehorses and if reliable references are provided then the additions are acceptable. There were also several racehorses named Nimbus, too.Cgoodwin (talk) 03:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Redrose64 - You are correct and I have reverted the edits by Cgoodwin. Handicapper (talk) 12:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - I can find simply dozens of books which give the locomotive names as "Alycidon" and "Nimbus" (and six other racehorse names for that particular class), but I was going potty trying to find books that referred to both the locomotives and these particular horses, with context such as "the locomotive was named after the 1949 winner of the Derby and the 2000 Guineas". --Redrose64 (talk) 12:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's a start: [2] Handicapper (talk) 13:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

This gives names for the locomotives, yes - but as I say, I can find plenty of books giving Deltic loco names. What is really needed is something that ties the name to the specific horse - without that, we are equally justified in saying that D9020/55 020 was named after a cloud formation. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I actually had an extensive website a few years ago with the details but it has gone down. I think contacting some of these very enthusiastic "train" lovers would get the facts. (There is an e-mail address here at the Deltic Preservation society for asking questions. However, when there are six or seven locomotives in Britain with a horse's name that were launched within the years following the horse's success, then it can only be a horse because if one examines each name, I think you will see there are none in any other category with a name of such high profile that would warrant a company naming a locomotive after it. Handicapper (talk) 15:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I, like you, know full well that the only likely source of the names of these locos is the racehorses. Unfortunately, the racing fraternity in general are unaware of the traditions of the railway companies, so to say something like "locomotive D9020 was named after this horse", and the only cited sources are

• a railway book showing this name against this number and class without actually mentioning racehorses
• a different book stating that such-a-railway often used racehorses as the inspiration for its loco names, but without actually mentioning the loco under discussion

then to link the two together counts as WP:SYNTHESIS, which is tantamount to WP:OR and therefore disallowed.

However, with the help of Abingdon & District Model Railway Club, I have now found a website, which although not necessarily WP:RELIABLE, does give statements along the lines of "D9020/55020: NIMBUS The last of the 'racehorses' to be delivered, D9020 was named at Doncaster on February 12th 1962 after the horse which won the 1949 Derby and 2000 Guineas races". That's good enough for me as a railfan; let's hope that the horseracing-orientated users agree. Luckily, on Pinza, there was already a link to a different site which gives suitable information, so I'm using that as a second ref on Nimbus V and the others. One ref might get knocked off again: two should stick better. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

My objection on this issue was that Cgoodwin just deleted the statement rather than insert a tag. There is a reason for his conduct, but he's not worth wasting time on. 17:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

All eight have now been updated and doubly referenced. Let's see how long my changes last. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you, Redrose64, for reverting my userpage. -- RandorXeus. 00:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks 2!

Thank you, Redrose64, for fixing the references for me in the SECR K and SR K1 classes and the explanation on the Talk page. I will try and do it properly next time, David --Das48 (talk) 16:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Re:Former F1 drivers

1. Juan Manuel Fangio at the 1950 British Grand Prix.

2. 1950 British Grand Prix, 13th May.

4 points, I believe? Far, far, too easy, I didn't even look them up... WilliamF1two (talk) 17:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I did hope that it was the sort of thing people would know straight off! You're the first back with the answer - I was also hoping for a mention of Silverstone on the second, but there you go. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Woodford Halse

Thanks for letting me know. Tonythepixel (talk) 20:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Brackley Central

Hello Redrose64

Hope you're fine and had a great Christmas!

I wonder if they actually will restore "Town" back to Aylesbury station despite the fact that we now have Aylesbury Vale Parkway a couple of miles away. My gut feeling is that they won't. In south Wales, Barry's main station is widely referred to as Barry Town although officially it's been just Barry almost throughout its existence, yet it doesn't cause confusion as far as I know.

Anyway, I've been able to add some extra info to the article on Brackley Central station, plus photographs (and also provide some sources). The big mystery here that I'd love to try and solve (and I've mentioned this to user "Lamberhurst" and also on the article's discussion page), is to find out something concrete about the proposed Northampton branch. The source that I've mentioned (the only one I've come across so far online) - the Forgotten Relics website - gives fairly scant info and seems to question whether there ever was any serious proposal. Yet I've seen a map of the line - I only wish I could remember where. It was a while back. If you know anything definite, it would be great.

Regards Tonythepixel (talk) 17:47, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

According to Butt (which is correct to 1995), Aylesbury station was always called simply Aylesbury. I'm presently still on hols in Barford St. Michael, and all my books (bar Butt) are back home in Didcot, so can't check, for example, Mitchell & Smith. Will try to do so in a few days, but don't expect a definite answer until about 6 January.

I am aware that at Marylebone, and possibly other stations, "Aylesbury Town" is indeed shown on the departure screens. However, at Aylesbury station itself, the nameboards have not been altered; the Network Rail info page shows "Aylesbury", as do the downloadable public timetables (Table 114 as PDF and Table 115 as PDF). Until the station itself actually changes, we should stick with "Aylesbury". --Redrose64 (talk) 18:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Clifton railway station

Alternatively needs to be a diambig page with Clifton moved to Clifton railway station, Greater Manchester NtheP (talk) 19:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Royal Oak tube station Assessment

Well done on an excellent use of references for Royal Oak tube station. I have assessed the article as B class. I made a few additional copy edits which you can see in the diffs:

• Generally, only 1 or 2 references are needed for non controversial facts.
• I reordered the sections so that notes, references and external links come last in the article.
• I added "|lk=on" into the first use of the {{convert}} template, so that a link to chain (length) is provided as this is now a fairly obscure unit of measurement.
• Generally, in the infobox, only the year is used rather than the full date
• I added one or two additional links to unusual terms such as dive under
• I removed the part of the caption in the second image of the gallery as the taxi service station is not mentioned in the article text

Are you planning on referencing other station articles in this way? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidCane (talk • contribs) 23:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Separately, can you provide a ref on where Royal Oak got its name? Simply south (talk) 23:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

No, not yet. Will keep looking. There are an awful lot of pubs in this country called "Royal Oak", so the present statement is plausible, albeit unrefd.

OK, in order.

• Better over-referenced than under-referenced, particularly when certain authors wrote the cited books. However, I have no objection to some of your removals in this instance: in deciding which to keep, you (and others) need to verify what I've added. MacDermot is not easy to find (I recently came across an original at GBP 50.00 for the set of 3 vols, and also Clinker & Nock's 1960s revision also for 50.00 the set). Peacock was a short print run, and is long out of print; Mitchell & Smith are not always WP:RELIABLE, but Croome is easily available and generally good - so I guess that's why you kept Croome and ditched the others. However, Croome doesn't mention the quadrupling, just the tunnel, so I think that MacDermot (the only one which does) should have been kept too.
• I didn't check the section order. I guess I should have done. My main concern was to rewrite the middle bit which I considered scanty and inaccurate.
• |lk=on, fine. I didn't know about that parameter.
• There are many railway station articles where a full date is given for |years1= etc. I've not done a quantitative check to assess relative popularity.
• Links, fine.
• None of the gallery was my work, and since I had no photos to contribute, I left it alone.

Referencing? Not sure what you mean by "in this way" - is it "too many refs that should be cut down", or "use of two-stage refs and the {{harvnb}} template". I shall assume the latter. It mainly depends upon what sort of referencing is already there.

If there are a lot (such as with London Paddington station) I'll follow precedent. But if there are few, and I intend to reference several different pages in the same book, I prefer to use a two-stage (short footnotes, longer book citations) method as per Royal Oak tube station, using <ref>{{harvnb}}</ref>, which might mean re-setting the existing refs to suit.

If there are none at all, I'm likely to use a slightly different two-stage method, which uses {{sfn}}, as I did at Reading Southern railway station and Hinksey Halt railway station. The advantage of that over <ref>{{harvnb}}</ref> shows when you reference the same page in two different places. Consider this:

Statement A.<ref name=Peacock67>{{harvnb|Peacock|1970|p=67}}</ref> Statement B.<ref name=Peacock67 />

which shows as:

Statement A. Statement B.

if you remove the first reference, it breaks the second. Now consider this:

Statement A.{{sfn|Peacock|1970|p=67}} Statement B.{{sfn|Peacock|1970|p=67}}

which also shows as:

Statement A. Statement B.

but here, you can remove either reference, and the other won't get broken in the process. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

By "in this way", I just meant are you going to reference other tube station articles, as there are so few which have proper referencing at the moment. The format of the referencing is not a problem at all. Personally, I format using the Harvard style as well.

Cyril Harris's What's in a name?, p. 60. (ISBN 1-85414-241-0). gives the source of the name as the "Royal Oak" pub, although he says it now called the "Railway Tap". Not sure if this has since been renamed "the Porchester" as the article states.--DavidCane (talk) 23:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

My original intention was to clean up the Oxfordshire station articles, then I broadened this to Ox/Berks/Bucks; then I decided to cover the GCR main line all the way from Woodford Halse or Rugby in to Marylebone, and the GWR lines in Middlesex. Having recently acquired Butt, I decided that the logical thing to do would be Paddington first, and work out from there on a clockwise basis. So, Padd, then Royal Oak, Westbourne Park and so on to Hammersmith; then Acton out to Slough and so on. I could throw in the earlier parts of the Met too. Then the later parts. Then the District. I think you'll need to wait and see; if I get a job I'll need to cut back again.

The most comprehensive source for Underground openings, renamings and closures is Rose (which I have only added to Westbourne Park).

I clean forgot Harris, I bought the 4th ed but it's not on my railway shelves - for some reason (its size perhaps?) it got mixed in with some paperback novels. Do you think that Terry Pratchett might cover the problems of excavating deep-level tube railways on a world which is not spherical? --Redrose64 (talk) 09:59, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I've added |location=Harrow Weald to the {{cite book}} for Harris. Please could you also fill in the |edition=? Mine is 4th edition, but dated 2001: your 2006 edition might be either 5th or 6th ed. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Mine is also the fourth edition, but the 2006 reprint, which is indicated as having "some updating". --DavidCane (talk) 15:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Bruce Rowland (drummer)

This article, thanks to your help, is now long enough for a WP:DYK nomination; I'd like to add his work with Ronnie Lane and others, but his chronology from 1983 - 1992 on Allmusic is blank; any ideas? Also, it seems difficult to update to what he's doing now apart from the occasional Fairport live gig. I'd propose for DYK "... that Bruce Rowland, Fairport Convention drummer, also backed Joe Cocker at the Woodstock Festival and played on the original Jesus Christ Superstar album?" - a bit banal, perhaps, but I've had less exciting hooks accepted. Let me know what you think. A free image would also help, but I can't find one. Cheers. Rodhullandemu 00:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I've never participated in a DYK nom before. However, your statement above is entirely supported by Patrick Humphries. Page 87 again! No pics I'm afraid. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll nominate it tomorrow, and if accepted, you'll get a new shiny. I think a discography section should be added, and again, tomorrow. Cheers. Rodhullandemu 01:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Goodnight all. --Redrose64 (talk) 01:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Hawkhurst branch

I know this is a bit outside your usual territory but I wonder if you would be interested in helping us get Hawkhurst Branch Line to FA status in time for the 50th anniversary of the line's closure on 10 June 2011? A question has also arisen in connection with the proper referencing of a journal article using the sfn template: when quoting a journal article - say from January 2010 - should the correct formulation be {{sfn|Smith|January 2010|p=1}} or should the month be dropped? Lamberhurst (talk) 08:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Have replied at User talk:Lamberhurst#A challenge --Redrose64 (talk) 14:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I've copied the discussion over to the article talk page. Mjroots (talk) 07:18, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Queries regarding SECR N1 class on SECR K and K1 classes talkpage.

Hello. I've given my thoughts on you post of 11 January on the above page. Rightly or wrongly (and I'm paraphrasing what I've written), I feel that we are broadly in agreement. However, my understanding is that as No. 822 was ordered as a K class, the fact remains that even after a delay in construction, the intention was to produce the N class. However, the order was changed in 1922, which required the conversion of parts intended for No. 822 to create the three-cylinder N1 class. In my view, because the prototype N1 class wasn't initially intended to be built as such, the resultant changes constitute conversion (especially as parts were standardised anyway). The other five were indeed built as N1 class from the outset, for the intention was there in the beginning, and therefore cannot be referred to as 'converted N class' locomotives.

I hope this has clarified my understanding on this issue, which is one that will affect around four articles, and demonstrates the complex history of these classes of locomotive. If you still disagree with my understanding of the subject, would it be possible to ask you to modify the K1 section of the article to incorporate your interpretation for comparison purposes? Cheers, --Bulleid Pacific (talk) 22:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Need to think about this. On the one hand, we have a loco that was originally ordered in one form, but entered service in a different form. On the other, the word "convert" might suggest to the casual reader that an existing loco was taken out of service and altered. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Cudworth locos

If you read the James Cudworth article, you'll see that the locos were rebuilt. Is it possible that the E1 class were the rebuilds of the 118 class? Mjroots (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I've done a bit of tidying re the tables. Also, I think I've fixed a ref (Bradley 15, which I take to mean Bradley, p15). If this is incorrect please correct as necessary. Mjroots (talk) 08:39, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you still expanding the locomotives section, the tag is holding up the DYK nom. Mjroots (talk) 09:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

The refs are a bit of a mix of styles. Can you sort them out similar to the Hawkhurst Branch Line article please? (Still awaiting the GA assessment there, currently 17th on list). Mjroots (talk) 11:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing. However, I can hear simmering, so my bathwater is just about hot. No more edits for an hour or so. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

If the hook is in Prep 2 that gives 42-48 hrs approx for final tweaks. Once it's in the queue only an admin can edit it. Mjroots (talk) 17:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

How on earth did you get an ISBN for Nock, when that book was published several years before SBNs (let alone ISBNs) were invented? Mjroots (talk) 18:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I was working from the original, borrowed from my dad. Mjroots (talk) 19:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:List of rail accidents in the United Kingdom

I asked some questions in the Criteria for Inclusion section on 20th Dec but no-one has yet responded. Can you take a look? GrahamHardy (talk) 18:20, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Carmarthenshire categories

I've left you a note at User talk:Enaidmawr which you may find helpful. Skinsmoke (talk) 09:20, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, seen it: I have the "Add pages I edit to my watchlist" setting enabled. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:17, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Station coords

Isn't it overdoing it to have x,y coords mentioned twice for a station? Either they remain in the top right hand corner or the infobox, but surely not both. Lamberhurst (talk) 19:35, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I was editing the articles anyway in order to:

• make sure the opening/renaming/closing dates are refd from Butt;
• show the location on a printed railway atlas (Baker 11th ed for open stas; Conolly for closed stas dating back to pre-group period; Ian Allan 1955 for closed stas opened after 1923)
• make sure that the station has Category:Railway stations opened in 1873 and Category:Railway stations closed in 1952 (or similar)

and also clear up any little things. Since I'm sure that I saw a bot going around removing the {{coord}} and placing the values in the infobox, I thought I'd pre-empt it. If the coords are specified in the infobox, they automatically show at upper right as well. If you try to specify lat/long in the infobox and as a {{coord}} then you get three sets, two of which overlap. Sometimes they overlap precisely, sometimes one is slightly displaced. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Template:Decdeg

Thanks for you comments about {{Decdeg}}. I could not duplicate the bug. Could you give me an example where it occurs. –droll [chat] 04:18, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, I was able to duplicate the bug and looking at my old code it is obvious that your fix is necessary. I guess no one ever used the rounding functionality before. It was a bug that did not always appear. See the testcases. Thanks for reporting the problem. –droll [chat] 04:41, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Bosnian Royal Family

Hello, and thanks for editing the page I wrote. I hope find it worth of Wikipedia, given that you took time to correcting it. But of course I may be wrong. In any case, would you care participating in the ongoing discussion on the proposal by some that the entire page be deleted, which was posted quite hastily 10 minutes after the page was up? The discussions are at Talk:Bosnian_Royal_Family, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bosnian_Royal_Family and related at Talk:History_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina_(1463–1878). Regards Bosnipedian (talk) 14:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

These all appear to be heated debates. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:02, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, true. Although, when you invest time writing a comprehensive article with many new reliable references presenting new findings by historians on a subject, and get faced with a hasty deletion request within 10 minutes from putting the page up, what can you do but defend yourself. Bosnipedian (talk) 16:55, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey Thanks!

I can't figure out why so many editors here think we all know HTML or C++ (I have no clue what they are, having never had any computer training! Somehow, I think I copied that as a model, and somehow didn't pick up that one part- just got a gripe about something like that adding photos a day or so ago, which means that the Derek Trucks and a whole bunch of Fairport Convention members, well, the past two days' worth of infoboxes I have built may be flawed. Sorry. Really! I have an infected eardrum and I think I best lay off the codeine! But if you had not explained exactly what and why things were, I'd never have understood. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 14:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for James Cudworth

On January 29, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James Cudworth, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 12:01, 29 January 2010 (UTC)