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Delete Another prod removed by a serial deprodder. Claims must be notable because the film allegedly won awards... the awards in question are not notable awards per our standards, strictly local ones of no known importance. Article was created by an account with a clear COI to promote the film and the writer/director. DreamGuy (talk) 13:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I was the original prodder, and while I assume good faith on the the part of both the deprodder and creator, the fact remains that there are no independent, reliable sources to establish the notability of this film, or verify any of the information in the article. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. —PC78 (talk) 22:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A short film shown only at very small film festivals. Hairhorn (talk) 02:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This is an award winning short film is notable as evidenced by the awards won at several film festivals. I have found more independent links, reviews and references here

[1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] to establish the notability of this film and/or verify the information in the article.Varbas (talk) 04:01, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Link 2 is the personal webpage of the writer/director, while link 5 is the webpage of the writer/director's production company: both violate WP's prohibitions against self-published sources and non-independent sources. None of the other 4 links provide the level of significant coverage required to establish notability of the film. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article has been improved since nomination and is the award-winning directorial debut of Jordan Bayne in conjunction with award-winning Michael Knowles. As the debut of Bayne and in winning her recognition, it meets WP:NF per "The film features significant involvement (ie. one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career." Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The person isn't really notable either (and if your argument is that this small film the "major part" of her career then she's clearly NOT notable), and the alleged awards do not appear to be significant in the slightest. You can't just make a circular argument that your unsupported assumption that one of the set is notable is proof of notability of the others and expect that to hold up here. That section of WP:NF was never intended to be used the way you are trying to abuse it. DreamGuy (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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-Another prod removed by a serial deprodder. Claims must be notable because the film allegedly won awards... the awards in question are not notable awards per our standards, strictly local ones of no known importance. Article was created by an account with a clear COI to promote the film and the writer/director.  [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] ([[User talk:DreamGuy|talk]]) 13:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
+'''Delete''' Another prod removed by a serial deprodder. Claims must be notable because the film allegedly won awards... the awards in question are not notable awards per our standards, strictly local ones of no known importance. Article was created by an account with a clear COI to promote the film and the writer/director.  [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] ([[User talk:DreamGuy|talk]]) 13:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
-::'''Delete'''  I was the original prodder, and while I [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] on the the part of both the deprodder and creator, the fact remains that there are no independent, reliable sources to establish the notability of this film, or [[WP:V|verify]] any of the information in the article. [[User:UnitedStatesian|UnitedStatesian]] ([[User talk:UnitedStatesian|talk]]) 13:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Delete'''  I was the original prodder, and while I [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] on the the part of both the deprodder and creator, the fact remains that there are no independent, reliable sources to establish the notability of this film, or [[WP:V|verify]] any of the information in the article. [[User:UnitedStatesian|UnitedStatesian]] ([[User talk:UnitedStatesian|talk]]) 13:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 *<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Film|list of Film-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Delsort--></small><small>—[[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 22:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)</small>
 *'''Delete'''. A short film shown only at very small film festivals. [[User:Hairhorn|Hairhorn]] ([[User talk:Hairhorn|talk]]) 02:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)