User talk:Wikkidd

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Please don't mark significant edits and reverts as minor and please use edit summaries. I would also suggest discussing your concerns on article pages rather than reverting with such comments as biogenic propaganda removed. You obviously have strong feelings on the subject, but Wikipedia is based on reliable sources not our strong preferences. Thank you, Vsmith (talk) 20:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Your recent revert to the diamondoid article with the edit summary Factual error corrected was not as indicated. You removed sourced content - not a factual error - and replaced with some abiogenetic content based on a supposed blogspot source (the link didn't work). Any future edits of that nature will be treated as blatant vandalism. Vsmith (talk) 00:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Yasser Arafat

I have reverted your edit to Yasser Arafat since the source you used is clearly not reliable. Please avoid using this kind of "source" in the future. Thanks, Gwernol 00:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Your edit to Yasser Arafat remains unsuitable. Please read WP:RS and WP:NPOV. This sort of claim needs multiple reliable source from notable, independent, published sources. Your did not have a properly verifiable source and is simply a rewording of your earlier inappropriate edit. You may take this issue to the article's talk page, but you cannot add this information to the article unless you have a substantially better set of sources. Thanks, Gwernol 00:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Please avoid making personal attacks on me or other editors. You charge that I have "something against homosexuals" is both unfounded and unnecessary. If you are unable to argue your case on its merits, then please don't bother to argue it at all. Descending to personal attacks degrades both your argument and your standing here at Wikipedia. Thanks, Gwernol 01:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008

Please stop your disruptive editing, such as the edit you made to Ion Mihai Pacepa. If your vandalism continues, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Gwernol 01:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

How is quoting the author's own words disruptive editing?

You didn't "quote the author's own words": [1]. Note also that I did not say that Pacepa himself was dubious. I said the source was. Please do not misquote me. Gwernol 01:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

My source is Red Horizons and the author is Mr. Pacepa. Mr. Pacepa is the source therefore you did indeed claim and you still believe now that Mr. Pacepa is dubious. Thanks for putting back the quote you tried to censor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikkidd (talk • contribs)

I didn't censor anything, nor did I put back the quote - you did: [2]. Gwernol 02:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

You deleted it in attempt to vandalize and you put it back in the wrong paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikkidd (talk • contribs)

No, I removed it because it was inappropriate for that article and did not comply with Wikipedia's rules. That is not vandalism. I did not replace it in the article. You really should at least try to get your facts straight before making wild accusations. Gwernol 02:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I added a direct quote from the book and you vandalized it. I'm taking this up with the other editors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikkidd (talk • contribs)

You are of course, welcome to do that. However removing poorly sourced material and biased material from articles is not vandalism. Please take some time to read the basic policies of Wikipedia, in particular those on verifiability and maintaining a neutral point of view. Gwernol 02:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I added a direct quote from a book that is so well referenced it's a joke: [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikkidd (talk • contribs)

The book is a primary source. Per our policy on original research: "Wikipedia articles should rely on reliable, published secondary sources" (emphasis added for clarity). The secondary sources you have pointed to are heavily biased and unreliable. You would expect a major story like this to have received major mainstream press coverage, if it were well founded. Since there is no such mainstream coverage, at least as far as I am aware, it cannot be relied upon. If you can find multiple, independent, published reliable sources then the material can be included in the article. Until you do, it cannot. This is what separates Wikipedia from a blog, and is the core of what makes this an encyclopedia. Thanks, Gwernol 02:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I have provided you with the direct quote from the book as well as numerous secondary sources quoting the book.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/commentdetail.aspx?GUID=69fe5954-49c7-4e60-b8a9-df2fd143c6b1&commentID=4c789b0a-b2b7-45eb-96e0-d5828dbcca45

http://davidfrum.com/archive_article.asp?YEAR=2004&ID=189

http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTQ2MWQ3M2I4ZTU1OTM3MjE3Zjc0NzkzMDQ3MmZhMzk=

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Diplomacy/4348.htm

As I mentioned above, those secondary sources are not reliable and the book is a primary source. You need secondary sources from the mainstream media to show reliability. Have Pacepa's allegations been discussed and reprinted in a newspaper like the New York Times, for example? That would be a reliable secondary source. Gwernol 02:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Here is the New York Times: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE5D91438F937A25753C1A961948260&scp=1&sq=arafat+pacepa&st=nyt

Clearly the New York Times believes Mr. Pacepa is credible. The New York Times also believes that Mr. Pacepa did in fact write Red Horizons. Obviously you don't.

Notice that the NYT piece makes no mention of the allegation that Arafat was gay, so it isn't a source for that particular allegation. What I believe is irrelevant, all that matters is what the secondary, published sources say. I have in fact already told you I believe that Pacepa wrote the book, please stop making yourself look ignorant by making strawman arguments. Please take the sources to the talk page of the article in question. If the editors there reach a consensus that you have adequate reliable sources, then the information can be included in the article. Gwernol 02:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The New York Times says that Mr. Pacepa wrote Red Horizons. I don't know why you are in denial about this quote.

Dear lord, I am not denying that Pacepa wrote Red Horizons, or that the quote you gave is from the book. I have said this three separate times now. The problem is that you need reliable secondary sources. The book is a primary source so cannot be used. The secondary sources you have listed above either aren't reliable or don't mention the specific accusation you are trying to include in the Yassir Arafat article. Now, go to the article's talk page and make your argument there. Note that another editor has already agreed with my position that Pacepa isn't reliable. Gwernol 02:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The issue of Mr. Pacepa's reliability is irrelevant. A quote is a quote. He wrote it. Sorry to disappoint you. Whether it's reliable or not is another matter. There are all sorts of quotes on Wiki from unreliable people but you don't go censoring those. Or maybe you just only censor the quotes you disagree with.

If you have another editor who is in denial about this quote, that's irrelevant also, I am taking this up with a third party.

No, I'm afraid you are quite wrong about that. Please read WP:V, WP:OR and WP:RS. These are core policies of Wikipedia. If you are not prepared to abide by these rules, just as all editors here must, then you should find somewhere else to edit. There are many free and cheap website and blogging providers who would be happy to accept your material. Wikipedia has a set of core rules that you are required to follow. Reliability of sources is a key part of those rules. Gwernol 02:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The fact that Mr. Pacepa wrote Red Horizons and the quote it contains has been verified over and over.

Furthermore the quote is not original research as Red Horizons was published by Regnery Publishing in 1990.

The reliable sources I have provided you with are Google Books and Amazon which both directly quote the book and the paragraph you wish to censor.

I saw your inappropriately titled post at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests and I am in agreement with Gwernol's edits. No one is arguing that the book doesn't exist or that you are misquoting it. What is at issue is whether this edit belongs in the article. I can find incredible controversial quotes from lots of real published books about lots of different people and things. This does not mean this automatically gives me a license to include any such material I find in any article just because it exists. Our neutral point of view policy says that articles should fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by a reliable source, and should do so in proportion to the prominence of each. Articles that compare views should not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views, and will generally not include tiny-minority views at all. --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:31, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Geoff Plourde aka Thedagomar disagrees with you and says I "have met the burden of proof for inclusion." See Arafat discussion. As you say, you can find incredible and controversial quotes on Wikipedia, yet there are no thought police censoring those quotes. The fact that you seek to censor direct quotes from authors indicates exactly how seriously you take the "neutral point of view" policy. The goal here seems to be to censor significant points of view and biographical quotes published by reliable sources aka Regnery Publishing. The fact that you seek to censor minority views would be laughable if it wasn't so shameful.Wikkidd (talk) 05:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you think that trotting out the name of another editor who lent support, or insult ad hominem are effective arguments, as opposed to addressing the substance of an argument? I think you must. Your complete misinterpretation of what I said to refer to controversial material "on Wikipedia" is consistent with your prior arguments insisting that the quote was made when that was never at issue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Third Opinion discussion of this issue at Talk:Ion Mihai Pacepa#Third_opinion. -Colfer2 (talk) 20:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 01:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive comments.
If you continue to make personal attacks on other people as you did at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Gwernol 02:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

July 2008

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did to Petroleum, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. NJGW (talk) 15:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

You just violated the neutral view policy by vandalizing my edit.Wikkidd (talk) 15:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Abiotic oil is wp:fringe, and thus requires an abundance of wp:rs sources to show that it actually exists. Saying I'm wrong doesn't make it so. NJGW (talk) 15:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Citation is required for lies such as that. You have no citation. It's a lie.Wikkidd (talk) 15:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

http://www.gasresources.net/DisposalBioClaims.htm

http://aapg.confex.com/aapg/2007int/techprogram/A112905.htm - comment by Wikkidd (talk · contribs)

The diff is here of NJGW's edit, the WP definition of vandalism is here. No match. -Colfer2 (talk) 15:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did to Petroleum. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you continue to do so, your edits will be considered vandalism and you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 22:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

What unsourced or original content did I add?Wikkidd (talk) 22:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Please start using the Preview button and using edit summaries. NJGW (talk) 23:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Warning (non-templated)

Wikkidd,

Misuse of WP:AIV to settle a content dispute is a serious policy violation.[4] You have been reported at WP:AN/I by other concerned users.

Looking over your edit history, you appear to be engaged in tendentious editing. This is blockable conduct. I am within my rights to block you right now for that spurious AIV, but I think you deserve one last chance to try to talk things over with your antagonists instead of just digging in your heels like you've been doing. Wikipedia is not about who wins. It's about editors working together. You can continue and be blocked, perhaps eventually indefinitely, and enter this dishonor roll, or you can try to talk things over. It's up to you. Daniel Case (talk) 03:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I have been talking things over. For some reason people keep censoring me. The tendentious editing has been done by others. I am attempting to add a neutral point of view but others are vandalizing it. I therefore went to AIV to report it. Wikkidd (talk) 03:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)