Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Oldwindybear

Oldwindybear

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• Stillstudying (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Finishedwithschool (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Jonashart (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Code letter: G

Reason for "G": Suspected sockpuppeteer is an admin, making this serious enough that I believe it warrants a checkuser first, rather than starting off with SSP.

Users come to each others' aid in editing disputes all the time, usually after a "let me get a third opinion" comment. Very, very similar editing and formatting styles. Both suspected socks voted in Oldwindybear's RfA (that wouldn't have made a difference, however).

Please check to see if the users can be tied to a single geographic area. My theory is that, based on the consistent 1 hour time delay between Oldwindybear's last post and Stillstudying's first post each day, and vice versa, (a pattern that has been followed with only two exceptions in the past 14 months), that the user is moving between different computers, either work/home, home/library, work/cybercafe, etc.

Diffs: Votes on Oldwindybear's RfA: Stillstudying: [1] Finsihedwithschool: [2]

Strange overreaction to New England's comment here on TomStar81's RfA Oldwindybear: [3] Stillstudying: [4]

First edit to user talk pages: Oldwindybear on Stillstudying talk page: [5]
Finishedwithschool on Finshedwithschool's talk page: [6]

The instructions say keep it short, so I'll stop now, but if anyone wants me to email a comparison of their editing histories, or add more evidence to this request, I will do so. If it is considered proper, I would welcome help in formatting this properly if i screwed it up. barneca (talk) 15:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I am no sock puppet. Last time I was accused of being Pocklington Dan, see [[7]] This time it is oldwindybear. Please do check. I don't think you will find us editing in some pattern, either. Stillstudying 15:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I have added another that displays the same style, exactly what User:Barneca said. GDonato (talk) 15:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Given that Jonashart is fairly obviously a resident of Vermont, this is beginning to look just a little bit like a fishing trip to me. Kirill 16:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Kirill Hi Kirill! My goodness, poor Jonas is a friend, who has posted a couple of messages for me while I was at work, and unable to do so! He is in new england, (the place) and I am in southern maryland, or he was the last time I asked, though he is moving soon. I am really saddened that he has been drug into this, and have to humbly repeat what I asked earlier, what in the world got my name involved in this? I don't blindly endorse Stillstudying, (whose tone to Deskana was appalling!) though I have tried to get him more involved in our military history project - but I do that with Ewulp, Jonas, and view it as one function of a good editor! I am really distressed, and would like to know, what did I do? old windy bear 17:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I do feel I must note that as to Jonashart, the only time I have "posted" without posting was by sending an email (I was at work) to Jonashart and he posted for me, with a note he was doing so, and why. (in other words, he posted saying "this is from oldwindybear who is at work." I am not aware this is a violation of the sock puppet rules, but if it is, I am truly and really very apologetic, and note that I did not try and hide that I had asked another editor to post a message for me! If this is a violation, I would appreciate being informed of same. I have also, occasionally, switched computers at home, and forgotten to sign in on the laptop, which leaves my internet address, (but not my user name of owb), but I try to go back and sign in, and note I had forgotten, as I did a few minutes ago on [[8]]. These are the only incidents I know of that I have "posted" without doing so personally as oldwindybear. I must now run, and hope this will be resolved, and please someone, tell me what I have done to be involved in this? old windy bear 17:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

barneca (talk I certainly will support having a check done. I do wonder why I am involved with this, since the last time Stillstudying was previously accused of being a sock puppet, he was accused of being Pocklington Dan I am not him, but I also do humbly ask why I was accused this way? I do not take the same tone he does, and I am at a loss – since last time he was accused of being Pocklington Dan – why I am accused this time? I understand Deskana’s irritation at him, I am irritated at him myelf for sparking this! But I really don’t understand how my name got involved. I certainly have no problem with a check user. As to the geographic area theory, anyone who reads both our pages knows he says he is from dc, and I am from southern maryland, so we are probably within 10 million people and 50 miles of each otehr, assuing his residence statement is true. Again, I would respectfully ask how I am involved in this, what did I do? I do not object ot check-user, and will stand down till this is resolved.old windy bear 16:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Really? That's funny stuff. I'll give this a day to sort itself out. Do some homework, seriously. Given a minute of research, you should find how silly your suggestion really is. And then, once you've figured it out, feel free to apologize.--Jonashart 17:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

(e/c)For the record, I reviewed Jonashart's contributions before submitting this request, and personally don't have evidence he is a sockpuppet. I don't know how that affect his inclusion in the checkuser review; for all I know he would welcome the check. But I would not argue against his removal, and intentionally did not include him in my initial request. --barneca (talk) 17:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The checkuser may refuse this particular user if they wish, then. GDonato (talk) 17:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll tell you, if someone, who evidently can't differentiate between users based on well-maintained system of history and documentation, is able to call into question the ID of another user, methinks the system has a problem. This ought be fixed soon.--Jonashart 17:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I would like to point out that StillStudying and OldWindyBear also have an unusual habit of copying the signature of the user they are refering to. Some users Wikilink, but they are the only two I've seen copy the entire coding of a signature. And this comment by StillStudying almost made me open a case on them, but considering my dispute with them I didn't per COI. New England ^{(C) (H)} 17:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Additional information: Checkuser is invited to review User talk:Barneca/Draft SSP report

SHUT DOWN

This is my last edit. I know checkuser will show that I did nothing wrong, but I am not going to be constantly harrassed. New Enlgand, please, Pedro pointed out on the admin's page that I copied the opening, and I did. A thorough checkuser will show: 1) I am me, and not using anyone's computer; 2) a year and a half, 500+ edits, and my interests are books and movies, basically, only going to military sites because the bear recruited me. I think you will find our interests different. This whole thing is outrageous, and I am shutting down, but I want checkuser to clear our names. For me, if it is not this, the people who dislike me will find something else, so I am going, and staying gone, this is the last edit I will make, ever. Stillstudying 18:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)