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DYK×2 On 7 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Villa Medicea di Pratolino, which you nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. On 7 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Suyab, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. --ALoan (Talk) 10:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC) Oh, sorry - got my templates in a twist. But thanks for both. It is good to see you about the place. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC) The last time I tried to edit them, they were less complicated and easier to modify ;) --Ghirla-трёп- 10:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC) They call that progress, I think. But "subst"ing them in is still easy enough :) -- ALoan (Talk) 10:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC) On June 1, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ice March, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Good work Ghirla. Great to see you around again. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Heh, Too bad you're not a bureaucrat either to promote me, rather than correcting your comment! :-) NikoSilver 13:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC) Supraśl Lavra Hi Ghirlandajo, I am the author of the article 'Suprasl Lavra'. I titled the article 'Suprasl Lavra' because that is the title that the monastery is known by in Poland, and natives of Suprasl are told that it was one of only four such holy places in the Russian Empire. I had looked on the history page of the official website and they didn't mention the date that it was given the distinction of 'Lavra' (address is http://www.monaster-suprasl.pl/ but they use the term Lavra throughout the page (Polish term Ławra, declined as Ławrze). I had called the monastery about where I could find out and cite the information. The reply was that 1) The term lawra ws given by the Patriarch of Constantinople at its foundation in the 1500's and 2) The only place that the person knew to cite this information was in an old Russian book from the late 1800's, and that he would provide the name to me if I called back tomorrow. My question is will this suffice, and since you speak Russian, would you be able to find sources on the Lavra in Russian. If what local lore say is true, there were extensive pilgramages here during the period of Russian rule, and the Orthodox church was promoted and protected by the imperial government, which would hint that there would be a lot of literature about it in Russian (hopefully) thanking you in advance for your trouble, --Orestek 20:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC) Dear Ghirlandajo, who and what decide when an orthodox monastery are Lavras?--Orestek 21:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Please check lavra article for details. In Imperial Russia the official decision was taken by the Holy Synod but in reality it was the Tsar who decided everything for them. Not that the distinction is really important. The title has been granted primarily for political reasons. Spiritual significance is seldom taken into account. Many ancient monasteries, which were known as lavras in the Middle Ages, are more reputable than modern lavras whose titles were officially sanctioned. --Ghirla-трёп- 21:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC) You edit on Pitsunda Lazica is a Graeco-Roman designation for the region known to the medieval Georgian (and Armenian) annals as Egrisi (hence, the name of Mingrelia). --KoberTalk 08:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Kober, I can see the reason why Georgian people prefer to call the polity Lazica, while the Abkhazians favor a native spelling. It is pretty transparent, don't you think? --Ghirla-трёп- 18:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Egrisi is a name from which "Mingrelia" is derived (all major linguists in Georgia or elswhere in the world agree on that). So, I don't think that modern Abkhaz feel very happy to call Abkhazia Egrisi. Anyway, an interesting fact is that we don't know the name of the region in indigenous languages (Mingrelian, Laz, Svan, or Abkhaz). The names Colchis, Lazica, and Egrisi are derived from Greek and Georgian both of which were used as languages of culture by the local nobility and clergy. --KoberTalk 20:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Miskin case It is getting very dirty now: [1]. Actually, I had never heard of this guy Miskin before I saw your exchange with Swatjester. I had a look at Mardavich's talk page history (I wonder if everybody involved in this case did that) and saw that he had "archived away" comments by Miskin and by an admin who had warned him in a different case. Oh, and in case you wondered, I ahve never got any e-mail from Miskin. Checked just now. --Pan Gerwazy 09:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Neither did I hear about Miskin before he was blocked. And to tell you the truth, he has behaved as a typical WP:DICK throughout the case. Nevertheless, it's a matter of principle, not of personalities. --Ghirla-трёп- 18:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC) miskin arbitration Ghirlandajo, I have nothing against releasing the emails. Like I said, I even screenshotted them so that everyone would be able to see them. However, I did make a promise of confidentiality. I'm contacting the people involved to see if they have issues with being identified. It's a little slow, because it's more than one. I have a great deal of respect for you. If you would like to see them, I have no problem showing them to you, provided you keep it to yourself and the ArbCom, until I am told that I can publically release them. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 22:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC) DYK On June 4, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kamyana Mohyla, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Thanks again Ghirla. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC) Russian translation Andrey, I need your help. Please look at the Putin thread on the Humanities desk (3 June). What is it that Jack has written? Love Clio the Muse 13:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC) This is the begining from a monolgue of Boris Godunov in Musorgsky's opera Boris Godunov Alex Bakharev 15:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC) Found an English translation: Boris: My soul is sad A secret terror haunts me with evil presentments my heart is stifled, etc... [2] Buri-sad Another Gokturk entry. Are there any other Russian sources on this guy that you might be able to tap into? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC) Native Speaker? Like Clio, I am astonished to discover that English is not your first language. To have your cradle tongue be language with a different alphabet and a different structure, too, and not to have spent time speaking with native speakers is almost beyond belief. (I do believe you, though; I am getting used to the facts of the great skill, talent and training of so many of the Ref Desk participants.) Most of the English used on the web is of such abysmal quality that I am further impressed that you quote it as a principal source. Perhaps you have access to sites that I have never come across. Bielle 19:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC) DYK On June 5, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kul-Oba, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Thanks again Ghirla. Good to see you around again. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC) Regarding edits to Mail.ru Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia, Ghirlandajo! However, your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove spam from Wikipedia. If you were trying to insert a good link, please accept my creator's apologies, but note that the link you added, matching rule alexa\.com, is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. Please read Wikipedia's external links guidelines for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! Shadowbot 09:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Battle of Konotop I noticed that you reverted my edit in this article. Would you care to explain on the discussion page the reason for it? If you have concerns over the neutrality of the article please note your objections on the discussion page. As of yet there are none. I hope you saw what kind of tag you reverted. Reverts without discussion are counterproductive. Please start dialogue istead of rivert war. --Hillock65 12:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC) I made only one edit on the page this year, so your accusations of "revert war" do not hold water. I'm not obliged to edit a page where you keep accusing me of vandalism. You can't expect me to stoop to this level of discussion. Furthermore, I am aware that you and your friends maintain a page in Ukrainian wikipedia which urges people to follow my edits here and revert them on sight. This is most unseemly and will be discussed on meta in due time. --Ghirla-трёп- 12:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Well there is now more than one and again without any explanation whatsoever. Noone accuses you of anything, I merely asked you to explain your actions as you seem to be following my edits everywhere. (diff from last year made me smile, though). Additionally, it seems you have been taking an inordinate amount of interest in my person[3][4], which make me suspect you of stalking me not only here but planning and recruiting your revenge squads on the Russian WP. To assuade your fears, let me assure you that you don't interest me as an editor and even far less as a person. I don't enjoy writing you every time you revert without an explanation. Please state your reasons for reverts so that issues can be discussed in a constructive manner. Please discuss things rather than disturb others. --Hillock65 13:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC) If you suspect me of stalking or "recruiting revenge squads", file a complaint. Read my lips: I don't stoop to answering outrageous and patently false accusations. Bye, Ghirla-трёп- 14:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Third Perso-Turkic War Went through about half of it, will finish the rest later. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 22:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Church of Kish Hi. Please see [5]. Thanks. --Grandmaster 10:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC) Tashtyk, Tagar, Ket et al. I am looking in on them. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC) Re: Ket people, He's now claiming that the Vajda reference doesn't say what you say it says. The Vajda book on Google Books is incomplete and is missing page 159. Don't suppose you have the scan? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC) Желание успехов Hi Ghirla, I noticed you changed my Желаю Вам успехи to Желаю Вам успехов. While I can see why the latter might make sense, I seem to recall learning and hearing the former, and it gets a fair number of Google hits. Is the former version really incorrect? --Reuben 02:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Right you are! I checked my old textbook, too, and it's clearly my memory that's at fault rather than the book. Спасибо! --Reuben 05:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Possibly unfree Image:Zvenigorod_savva.jpg An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Zvenigorod_savva.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Butseriouslyfolks 05:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Hello again. Sorry to bother you, but if you have an email confirming that permission, please forward it to "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org" to properly document it. Thanks. --Butseriouslyfolks 05:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC) My exchange with Alexander Shipilin was in Russian. Nevertheless, I forwarded the relevant emails. Hopefully Mr. Shilipin does not mind that his private correspondence is distributed this way. --Ghirla-трёп- 09:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Thanks! BTW, it'll probably take me a couple of years to get to Igor Moiseyev, so he's safe for now.  ;-) And I think Mark was just having a bad day. Take care! --Butseriouslyfolks 17:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Well, that would work to his advantage from a WP perspective, as the image would no longer be presumed replaceable (to the extent images of living people are or could be presumed replaceable)!  ;-) --Butseriouslyfolks 17:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC) It's only a matter of time before somebody inserts a fake death date in a living person's bio solely to justify the use of a fair use image . . . --Butseriouslyfolks 17:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Block of Russianname Hi. I made that block because Hillock65 had requested that Russianname stop reverting his talk page, and Russianname refused, reverting it 14 times in one day. The sheer amount of reverting without discussion looked pretty out of control, so I blocked him to prevent the situation from escalating. It's only for 24 hours, but if you know Russianname and feel that's too long, I would be okay with shortening it. Apparently Hillock65 got blocked, too. --Masamage ♫ 17:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC) I will shorten the block as you suggest. Thank you for getting in touch with me about that; I wouldn't want to be too harsh on a first-time block, especially if the edit warring stops from now on. --Masamage ♫ 18:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Hmm, looks like the block has already expired anyway. --Masamage ♫ 18:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC) ArbCom Your comment was not "mysteriously deleted", it was moved to Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Miskin/Evidence by an ArbCom clerk. If you read the rules on top of the evidence page, it explicitly says "Do not edit within the evidence section of any other user". --Mardavich 18:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC) You seem to be really irritated by my statement, don't you? I wonder what's so special about it. When a wikipedian attempts to defend his good name against patently false accusations, it's not really an infraction to post his disclaimer right after the accusation. The threaded talk that followed it was not appropriate, but I have nothing to do with it. --Ghirla-трёп- 20:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC) I am not irritated by anything. However, your personal attack is noted. I just wanted to let you know that your comment was not "mysteriously deleted". But if you don't wish to follow the rules of the evidence page, that's your choice. --Mardavich 21:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Apology Hi Ghirla. I in no way deliberately left you out of the list of people who had commented; your opinion is as completely valid as every other contributor. Please chalk that error on my part down to a simple oversight - I didn't mean to offend. Sorry! Neil ╦ 20:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC) You are welcome, Neil. No offences. --Ghirla-трёп- 20:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Location of Vändra in 1843: Estonia or Livonia? As you concentrate on pre-20th century Russian history, you might be able to comment on this issue. Is it correct to say that Vändra, the birthplace of Lydia Koidula, was in 1843 located in northern Livonia? ...or should we say southern Estonia? Is mentioning Livonia undue weight? Please comment at Talk:Lydia Koidula. -- Petri Krohn 00:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC) In any case the phrase "Lydia Jannsen was born in Vändra, in south-west of the modern Estonia, a territory at the time part of Governorate of Livonia of Russian Empire." is not only incorrect (it is claiming that the whole of Estonia was part of Livonia) but full of mistakes against English grammar as far as use of definite articles is concerned. So I will have a look at it as well. --Pan Gerwazy 20:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC) Pietro Boncompagni Thanks for digging up an appropriate categfory. --Wetman 23:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC) Valley of Geysers On 10 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Valley of Geysers, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --howcheng {chat} 01:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC) Mikhail Pavlovich Hello, Andrey. Thanks for your interest in the articles I have written on the Russian royals. By early next month I would write about Mikhail Pavlovich, at u request. However, information about him it is scarce. I want to ask for you’re help adding to my Romanov’s articles their name in Cyrillic alphabet. Thanks Miguel 1:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC) Your msg. Thanks for letting me know. No, I don't think it was I who semiprotected it, but it doesn't matter. I'm OK with it being SP'd. ←Humus sapiens ну? 09:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC) Forum ref? May I ask why you use forum as reference for death date[6]? Its not really neccessary as nobody disputes date of death(at other article I wanted only ref for claims of him not being deported to USSR by UK) and as our friend Petri said, its not really good source anyway[7].--Staberinde 15:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC) Third Perso-Turkic War Hello. With regard to the territorial changes, that is meant for the changes after the war, not during. The Khazars never occupied the territory, they left it (even before the war with Byzantium was completely finished). Also, they invaded Georgia (Iberia) and Caucasus Albania, they never invaded Azerbaijan, which at that time was the area below the Araxes river.Hajji Piruz 20:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC) Hello again. This picture is from another time period (I assume): [8] (notice it says Samartia in the north Caucasus region). Good work by the way, cant wait to read the finished version! I'd be happy to help out if theres anything that needs doing.Hajji Piruz 23:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC) Hello again. Regarding this edit of yours: [9] The Byzantines were allies of the Khazars who fought on the same front. Both fought in the Caucasus at the same time against the Sassanids. Therefore, shouldnt the Byzantines be listed?Hajji Piruz 14:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC) AfD Etiquette Regarding the Estonian Age of Awakening business, please note the following: 1. Withdrawing a nomination is not in itself an attempt to close the AfD. You're welcome to add the relevant templates when you withdraw the nomination, but if you don't do that, the AfD remains live until an administrator or another user adds them. I would have closed it myself, but since I was one of the ones recommending the article be kept, I thought it was best to wait for another admin or user to do it. Given that the AfD remained open, moving and commenting out recommendations that other users had made isn't a good idea. Yes, they should probably have noticed that the discussion was no longer active, but the thing was still open. 2. While I can appreciate your dislike for comments and questions being included in an AfD's main page, please note that there's actually no requirement that they be moved elsewhere. 3. In relation to the question you were asked about why the debate had been categorised a certain way, please remember that it wasn't (or at least it shouldn't have been) a judgement on you. Rather, it was a question. The manner in which you replied was abrupt at best. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC) I don't know who of the closing admins allowed the nomination to be turned into a trollfest. Your attempts to justify incivility and harrassing from a gang of trolls by referring to unwritten "AfD etiquette" don't cut ice with me. Neither would I hold my breath after reading your regular comments in support of extremist editors, sprinkled all over Wikipedia. You have made your stance on the matter very clear. I request you to never post on my talk page again. Thanks in advance, Ghirla-трёп- 08:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC) Gokturk map The one I put up was an approximation of a map in an old Turkish historical atlas, but it might be possible to do an expansion map. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 12:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC) Image:GokturkFlag.png Please see Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_June_11#Image:GokturkFlag.png. Thanks. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC) I am flabergasted. --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC) You are right, of course, that it is not that critical. The flag has been removed from all the articles that had it (I would be wary of it being re-inserted though). I wonder how many of the other equally fictitious "Flags of the Great Turkish Empires" have been reproduced on WP. I just found the attitude that FOTW was a reliable source by itself, and that slapping the word "alleged" made everything ok, shocking. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 17:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC) Please join Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-06-10 Podilsko-Voskresenska Line. --Kuban Cossack 17:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC) Holocaust trials in Soviet Estonia, 1961 Hi Ghirlando. Sorry, I looked, but I wasn't able to find any English-language material on this. Jayjg (talk) 15:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC) Ghirla- some pictures that might be relevant. [10] I don't know what the copyright status is but I expect that they expired under Soviet law. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC) Third Perso-Turkic War On 12 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Third Perso-Turkic War, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --howcheng {chat} 16:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC) Estonian Orthodox Church You might want to add this, and the linked articles, to your watchlist. Also check this out: Estonian Orthodoxy in the 1990s. The section "Post-Soviet Developments" is an excellent presentation of the Estonian legal position. What do you call a situation, where the state denies a church the right to legally practice religion. In China it would be called "religious prosecution". -- Petri Krohn 04:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Ghirla... I'm curious of your bold movings and whether the edits like this are the breach of WP:NCNT. Thanks for any feedback :) --Brand спойт 09:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Well, they are perfectly in line with our guidelines. The Ignatievs were neither royals nor peers, not even saints :) --Ghirla-трёп- 09:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC) What about this or this? (apart from [ru:Игнатьевы]) --Brand спойт 10:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Titles of our articles are not supposed to refer to comital dignity. Leo Tolstoy, not Count Leo Tolstoy, if you please. Sergei Witte, not Count Sergei Witte, etc. --Ghirla-трёп- 10:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Estonian national awakening Did you know? was updated. On 14 June, 2007, a fact from the article Estonian national awakening, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --howcheng {chat} 02:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC) Mudéjar Gothic Hi, Ghirlandajo, long time without knowing about you! I see that you are active again in this wikipedia, Mnogaya leta! I write to you because of a question related to Brick Gothic. I wrote a short section at the end of the article about a kind of Gothic architecture made of brick, the Gothic Mudéjar. I suppose that there is a coined use of the term because of the great quantity of Gothic architecture made of brick around the Baltic Sea. However, "Brick Gothic" is also a clear reference to any style of Gothic made almost enterely of brick, even more if the material is an important part of the aesthetics of the building. If you don´t find proper the inclussion of the section in the article, you could preserve the reference, at least in "See Also", because there is a strong relation between the title and the Mudéjar Gothic, that, as you probably know, had the brick as its main material and aesthetic resort. Yours and welcome again,--Garcilaso 12:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC) Nice to see you again. Is it OK? --Ghirla-трёп- 13:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC) That looks fine! Thank you and good editions!--Garcilaso 09:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC) Mo-ho sad New Gokturk article. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 17:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC) Lambsdorff portrait Hi again. Could you do some clarifying regarding the person on this portrait, if possible? Because of fruitless googling, the caption currently makes no sense for me. Consequently I don't know whether she is Alexandra Nikolayevna Lamsdorf or Maria Ivanovna Lamsdorf. Thanks in advance. --Brand спойт 20:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC) This is Maria Ivanovna Beck (Мария Ивановна Бек, 1835-66). I would not be surprized if her father was Ivan Beck (1808-1842), the first to translate Goethe's Faust in Russian. She married in 1857 Count Alexander Ivanovich Lambsdorff (Александр Иванович Ламсдорф, 1835-1902), the elder brother of Vladimir Lambsdorff, Foreign Minister. After the October putsch, the Ingresque portrait remained on exhibit in the Pushkin Museum of Fine Arts for ten years. In 1928 the Bolsheviks seized the painting and sold it abroad. --Ghirla-трёп- 21:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC) I certainly took the blatant error into consideration, thinking that she is Alexandra (as I wrote above :) --Brand спойт 21:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC) Comments on Gumilev & Nomadic Empires articles For the Lev Gumilev article: If a person both popular and controversial at the same time, this means that the person is influential. Whether his ideas are accepted by the mainstream of academicians or not is another question. For the Nomadic empires article: It's better to summarize each section and make the article more concise and comprehensive, since each section already have wiki-articles. I'd like to do edit but i'm under arbitration related with my conflicts with Tajik. For this reason, i can only comment on this. If you'd like discuss the issues, you're welcome. Regards. E104421 22:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC) Hahahaha! I'm well aware that some people, especially those who don't have to deal with extremist editors on a day-to-day basis, are willing to assume good faith ad infinitum and keep the project full of “potentially reformable bad guys”, as long as they don't have to reason with them themselves. (Underscore mine.) —SlamDiego←T 04:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC) Re: Giano's block Very disappointing, Thebainer. Very. That's not what you were given the tools for. --Ghirla-трёп- 15:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC) As I said to Bishonen, Giano moved moved my comments out of their place in the preceding thread and into a new paragraph, presumably to remove the comments from their context in the prior discussion, presumably to achieve this precise effect. Here is the full thread as it was before my comment was moved. I don't know why you are referencing this edit; as I explained to Giano, I have not used IRC for some time, and I noticed his initial post to WP:ANI since that page is on my watchlist. --bainer (talk) 15:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC) DYK Did you know? was updated. On 16 June, 2007, a fact from the article Giuseppe Alessandro Cardinal Furietti, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Did you know? was updated. On 16 June, 2007, a fact from the article Furietti Centaurs, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Did you know? was updated. On 16 June, 2007, a fact from the article 1904 Moscow tornado, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --Carabinieri 16:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC) Re:Rollback No I only end up in those when someone keeps vandalizing page such as that one. Hmrox 17:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC) Do you say that I "vandalize" the page written by myself? This is most amusing. --Ghirla-трёп- 17:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC) I'm sorry for the confusion about the article. It was mistake and won't happen again. Hmrox 17:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC) Agatha: Thanks I really appreciate your advices. In my particular opinion (not much important, of course!!) i think your theory about kievan origin of Agatha is true. Sorry if I had any wrong thing in the text of Agatha in wikipedia; i tried to divided the kievan theory in two parts: daughter or sister of Yaroslav the Wise. If this was wrong, i really appreciate if you think is better a correction, do it. Thanks again and sorry for my bad english (im peruvian and a tried to learn fast!!) Aldebaran69 23:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC) Cranks Yeah, we’re not talking about legitimate POV disputes here, we’re talking complete lunacy. The guy is quarrelling with the most basic linguistic terms, such as “loan word” and “borrowing”, as well as the scholarly history of the Armenian language. I could have waded in on that talk page but I couldn’t see the point. He’s not some ingénu who’s made an honest mistake and will accept correction, he’s obviously there to push his own crank theory come what may. Reasoning with him is a waste of everybody’s time. The only solution is to remove him from the topic area. Since this is an encyclopaedia, such editors are far more harmful than casual vandals or hot-tempered users who engage in a bit of mudslinging behind the scenes. We need to have sanctions against editors who persistently and deliberately violate policies like WP:NPOV and WP:NOR in order to add fringe or extremist content here. --Folantin 17:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC) Mail for you, Ghirla. Pretty much the same stuff went to Folantin. Cheers, Moreschi Talk 13:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Category You're right... I'll do my best. Regards PHG 20:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Occupation of Latvia 1940–1945 Is there some off-site communication and coordination going on here? See history. -- Petri Krohn 15:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Obviously, the fact that this article is under probation, does not really stop them. In fact, it enboldens them: we are the vandals! --Pan Gerwazy 16:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC) User:Suva is clearly under the influence of Korp! Estonia on wheels. There clear indication of off-site cooperation, see User:Suva/monobook.js and compare the history to User:Digwuren/monobook.js. -- Petri Krohn 16:37, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Conspiracy theories are fun! By the way, if you want to communicate with me off-site, feel free to send me a mail. Digwuren 17:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC) I copied the monobook from Digwuren during some conversation at some page in scope of WikiProject estonia. The original monobook content was pasted by DLX if I am not mistaking. The claims of Korp! Estonia on wheels is funny, but unfortunately unrelated. I don't know much about the probation, and just saw a stupid edit war going on, and decided to intefere. This article needs something else than edit war right now, and if you really do think that the POV-Title should be there, then I won't interrupt again. Currently I am having trouble of assuming good faith in that move seeing the other edits of the Korp! Soviet Union on wheels... Suva 17:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Are you sure you are refering to WikiProject Estonia and not the Estonian Wikipedia (or some other off-line forum)? Your edit history shows absolutely no discussion prior to creating your monobook.js. (Sorry, Ghirla for spamming your talk page, we like it here.) -- Petri Krohn 20:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC) P.S. - It is highly unlikely that you could have communicated on English language Wikipedia: User:Digwuren was blocked, when you restarted editing. -- Petri Krohn 21:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Hahaha, come on. Would it be also highly unlikely you would stop your paranoias and just shut up? But as you keep instisting, I found this javascript here[11]. Suva 22:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Nice inquisition. You are aware that people can read other peoples discussions around here? When DLX talks with Dugwurren about something Suva can read that too if he happens to see it. Contribution histories and so on. Right now it seems like you are harassing people over where they got a piece of Javascript... Since when is such information grounds for this kind of nitpicking!? --Alexia Death 21:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Perhaps, WikiProject Estonia should have a mailing list. If nothing else, it might make Petri Krohn happy. I guess it won't matter if anybody ever actually writes in it. Digwuren 22:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Did you know? On 18 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aleksey Suvorin, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 15:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Ferry de Clugny Did you know? was updated. On 19 June, 2007, a fact from the article Ferry de Clugny, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --howcheng {chat} 07:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC) WP:RFC/U on Petri Krohn filed You might be interested to know that Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Petri Krohn has been filed. Digwuren 20:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC) Need help on article Destructive creativity Dear Ghirlandajo, I am new to Wikipedia, so my entry into the "Sherwood Forest" of rules, codes, people, and articles begins with the first test. May I ask you kindly to have a look at my article titled Destructive creativity? It was placed on DYK , then nominated to AfD. I don't know people, albeit I am attuned to comments, made some updates, still need help. Your attention is highly appreciated. Sincerely, Steveshelokhonov 10:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC) LA, CA. PS: Hermitage, fab Velázquez. Sargon of Akkad is now an FAC. Since you did some work on this article I thought you might be interested. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC) I will have a look at the page this week-end. --Ghirla-трёп- 15:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC) user page question Reading your comments on user talk:Jimbo Wales about user:EVula's user page and his collection of diffs (which, needless to say, I find hilarious although I believe I understand your concerns wrt new editors seeing stuff like that), I wondered what you might think of my own user page. In case you decide to drop by occasionally, if you're not using Firefox, please try here if the page is not displaying correctly. Btw: I read your thoughts on tendentious editing and the division of editors in insiders and outsiders, and I really like the way you soft-spokenly and matter-of-factly tell the uncomfortable truth. —AldeBaer 13:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC) Haha, thanks for the pointer! Yeah, I know my trivia section is getting out of hand. I may have to clean it up again and throw out stuff that has been superseeded (sp?) hilarity-wise (wording?) by other stuff. Please note that I don't include many diffs there, but rather pages and places I found interesting because they taught me a lot about the inner and outer workings of Wikipedia (combined with a good portion of personal POV from me as you may have noticed...) Best regards, —AldeBaer 13:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC) Treaty of Shimoda Hello, you recently edited Treaty of Shimoda. Your edits made the article more encyclopedic and thus more neutral, many thanks for that! I also noticed you claimed some things mentioned to be 'patent lies'. The (agressively) clashing of Russians with Japanese (vice verse as well of course) has been documented in some sources, which I have referenced in the talk page now. Feel free to post a source as to why these are patent lies, so we could improve the article in a critical manner. Keep up the good work. T.Jansen 16:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC) Name-calling I know you don't want me posting on your talk page, but making baseless accusations directed at other editors is not something you should be doing. This is your final warning regarding personal attacks. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 01:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC) I don't take such accusations lightly. Either you substantiate your allegations of personal attacks with diffs, or you bring apologies for your facile and baseless accusations. --Ghirla-трёп- 09:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Substantiation is on my talk page. As I've said there, I can provide more if you want it. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Since you failed to provide evidence of alleged personal attacks, I would welcome apologies for shameful allegations above. Describing the actions of a troll as "trolling" is not a personal attack, it's a stern fact. Otherwise, we would have to delete WP:TROLL which contains all necessary definitions. --Ghirla-трёп- 18:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Ghirlandajo, you should never respond to remarks by any Wikipedian that lists on its talkpage Things I've been called. --Wetman 23:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Indeed, Wetman. Jimbo Wales seems to agree with us that his user page is inappropriate. --Ghirla-трёп- 11:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Featured picture Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, Image:Maslenitsa kustodiev.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Raven4x4x 02:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Congratulations, and thanks for nominating it. Raven4x4x 02:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Belated Award The 200 DYK Medal sorry that this is a bit late, but you are deserving of the 200 DYK medal!! You are now either the first or the second contributor to recieve this award. If you are the first, your name will be noted down on the template for this medal. Keep up the great work! -- Anonymous DissidentTalk More interesting suggestion? Extent of medieval Kannada literature Not sure what you mean. Do you mean a better hook or better topic?Dineshkannambadi 16:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC) I have changed the hook completely to reflect something unique about medieval Kannada literature.Dineshkannambadi 16:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC) I was referring to the hook. The new blurb is more interesting. Thank you. --Ghirla-трёп- 17:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Thanks for the restructuring.Dineshkannambadi 18:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Matthias Grünewald Yes, it is terrible. I'm summering in C15 Provence at the moment, but will give it a quick treatment soon, & return later, I hope. I don't have much specific material on him that I can think of, but it won't be hard to improve on the current state. Johnbod 22:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Thanks- in theory I can get EB, plus Grove art , at home, but I've been having big problems doing so. Don't worry for now, but I may ask for it later if thats ok. Johnbod 14:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC) History of Russian Manchuria template I think the general idea is OK, but the implementation (both content- and technical-wise) indeed leaves much to be desired. Also, the template should definitely not be present in all articles which are remotely related to the subject, but only in those listed in the template itself (again, the list in the template could use some refining). I think Whlee is gradually moving towards understanding this, but if you want to give him a nudge, that might speed up the process a little. I do have this template on my to-(re-)do list, but I don't really know when I'll get a chance to work on it. If you beat me to it, I sure ain't gonna complain :) Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC) DYK Did you know? was updated. On 25 June, 2007, a fact from the article Das Dritte Reich, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --Carabinieri 15:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Thank you for putting this forward, Andrey. We work well together! I intend to write a brief article shortly on an American conspiracy to kidnap George III in 1775. I'll pass it over to you as soon as it is ready. Clio the Muse 23:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC) PS On the Suvorov question I added some material that you might want to work into the article. Clio the Muse 03:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC) Pointless junk While I agree this is pointless junk message which I'd have ignored, please don't reverts edits to my talkpage; I am perfectly capable of ignoring trash or dealing with perceived PAs myself. Thank you, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC) Once again, I implore you to take care of rudeness and trolling on the part of Polish editors. Since you don't seem to be concerned, I have to deal with them myself. --Ghirla-трёп- 19:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC) Template:World War II Hi! I probably need your help or comment regarding dispute occured in Template:World War II where user Piotr Mikołajski inserted the USSR in a list of Axis powers mentioning Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. The template consequently was protected by administrator according with his request. The issue was already discussed in the talk page and it seems that consensus was established not to include the USSR in the list of Axis powers.--Dojarca 20:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC) I pointed out to Ocatecir and Piotr that out-of-process protection of inflammatory statements is frowned upon. If some media outlet would cite tomorrow the USSR as an "Axis power", that would bring Wikipedia into disrepute. --Ghirla-трёп- 21:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC) DYK Did you know? was updated. On June 27, 2007, a fact from the article Antonio del Duca, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Thanks against Ghirla. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC) Did you know? was updated. On June 28, 2007, a fact from the article Salerno Mutiny, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. and again....Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC) more childish patriots could you chime in at Chaldean again? I don't want to break the 3RR over this (even though this may be rollback-able), but I do not think we should allow this sort of thing. Even patriots are required to use their brains on Wikipedia. dab (𒁳) 09:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC) I will add the page to my watchlist. --Ghirla-трёп- 09:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC) Bibliotheca Palatina Thanks for adopting this. I created it as it were with my left hand as a very quick writeup; it's looking good now. dab (𒁳) 13:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC) Looted Art Article Dear Ghirlandajo, you added an NPOV tag to the Looted art article without describing the reasons/participating at the Talk page as requested by the NPOV rules. I assume, based on your edits, that you do not agree with the looting of the Sistine Madonna - nevertheless I believe that the Sistine Madonna serves as an important icon of the lets call it "confiscation" of German art collections by the Soviets, simply because of its iconic value. I even took into consideration your concerns and added a proper reference that extensively describes the Soviet Looting of Germany - focusing on the Sistine Madonna. The article even uses the very same terms for the headline and some sub chapters "Soviet Looting", "Sistine Madonna". I understand that such facts - as any truth - are not always comfortable to anyone, but it is nevertheless part of our shared history. The claim that the Soviet Union did not "steal", "plunder" or "loot" is extensively discussed in contemporay literature - its a myth. That notion is for instance discussed in "Mythmaking in the New Russia: Politics and Memory During the Yeltsin Era" by By Kathleen E. Smith, Available: http://books.google.com/books?id=hXZEPJQcWLYC&pg=PA70&dq=dresden+gallery+stolen&sig=3yEQ9_FVthWEvwMtP5jIYFug8kg#PPA70,M1 - the Time Magazine, also referenced in your article describes one such perspective: "Now Russian nationalists are getting into the act, demanding that their government stand firm on the issue and give nothing back. One may not agree with them, but their arguments are at least understandable. Suppose you are a patriotic Russian in your 60s. Your childhood was passed amid the horrors and suffering of the Great Patriotic War, in which millions died to defend the Motherland against Nazism. Then you survived Stalin, watched the utopian fantasies of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat go into sclerosis in the 1960s and '70s, and saw the imperium collapse in the '80s. Today the yellow arches of McDonald's shed their plastic gleam on Red Square, and gangsterism rules instead of socialist virtue. You know the Nazis inflicted incalculable damage on your nation, with the intent to obliterate all traces of 'Slavic culture' from the earth. Why, in this time of collapsed dreams and national humiliation, should you listen to Germans preaching about restitution?" (I could add more references if necessary but I rely on our goodwill) ... I understand that you like to uphold certain values, dreams and notions - as we all do - but I do not think that we want wikipedia to become a safe place for soviet, nazi, russian, german, american nationalistic propaganda ... Please refrain from deleting referenced statements from other editors just because they might appear inconvenient, and lets instead work together. How about adding proper references to the Nazi plunder of Europe (I actually started it) or the American plunder and looting (Meadows, Quedlinburg, Iraq ...?) Thank you, have a nice day, and Bolschoe Spasibo. (My russian isnt as good anymore ... :) )Okinawasan 13:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC) Amber Room Image Another addition: I just received "The Amber Room. The Fate of the Worlds Greatest Lost Treasure" by Catherine Scott-Clark and Adrian Levy (Nonfiction) from Amazon. As you might expect i kept looking for the photograph you added to the Looted Art article and which is still included in the Amber Room article. On page 60 the book reproduces the photograph (actually two) and a proper description: "Vica Plauda leaves the room. She returns with a tattered folder ... In our hands is the only surviving colour record positive of the 'Eight Wonder of the World' ... made in 1917 by a Russian officer who fled with it to Paris." Vica Plauda is sourced as the head of the Photographic Section of the Catherine Palace, the image is already from 1917, and the office fled to Russia ... :) (On this page http://www.geo.uw.edu.pl/HOBBY/AMBER/amberroom.htm, Warszaw University, it says at "Tsarskoe Syolo in Russia, the state in 1940", I believe your descriptions are wrong and I leave it up to you to doublecheck, doublecheck, and change the misleading edits. Thank you. Poka.Okinawasan 14:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC) Barnstar Thanks very much - I am most honoured! I'm looking at the BP, & haven't forgotten Matthias G. Johnbod 19:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC) template Improving it shouldn't be a problem, though I honestly don't know if I can do much about it's abuse. I haven't dared too much correct the abuse of the religious templates like {{anglicanism}}. Circeus 22:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC) DYK Did you know? was updated. On 28 June, 2007, a fact from the article Dahomey War, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --Yomanganitalk 12:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC) Theodore Many thanks for the star! In fact I was worried no one would so much as read the article, so it's particularly gratifying. --Javits2000 21:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC) Great Work The Half Barnstar I hereby award you the Half Barnstar, for your superb work with Clio in generating encyclopaedic content from the Humanities Ref Desk. Rockpocket 05:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC) Ha! Hopefully our collaboration will be a long one. --Ghirla-трёп- 18:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC) An article which you started, or significantly expanded, snokhachestvo, was selected for DYK! On June 30, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article snokhachestvo, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 23:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC) DYK On 1 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bibliotheca Palatina, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --Carabinieri 09:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC) Ostromir I did check them all quickly (not counting) on Google scholar. Ostromir was clearly more in the balance than the others, though some are for "Ostromir Gospel Book" & some you can't tell. I'll move it back if you feel strongly, but I'm in no doubt it should really be "gospels", as "gospel" implies that, like the Stonyhurst Gospel, it only contains one of the four. Johnbod 01:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC) Great catch on Romanos II, btw! Johnbod 01:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC) Thanks And you my friend - I thought they'd driven you off for good a few months ago. I'm actually officially still having a breather, but the weather's been shocking. take care --Mcginnly | Natter 23:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC) Well, I'm sort of weather resistant I think. --Ghirla-трёп- 23:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC) To kidnap a king? Andrey, the page on Stephen Sayre, and the alleged American plot against George III, is now newly born. It was conceived as a result of a previous question on the Humanities Desk. I would be pleased if you could cast your eye over it, and make any amendments you consider necessary. Some illustration would be useful. All the very best. Anastasia, aka Clio the Muse 00:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC) Thanks so much for your work on this, particularly the portrait of Sayre. You are my hero! Clio the Muse 01:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC) Cough Useful ? <splutter> <choke>. Well, if you say so! Bishonen | talk 12:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC). When my opinion on some issue is predetermined, words that follow "keep" or "delete" are often just a filler. Perhaps I should emulate Paul August to avoid misunderstandings. --Ghirla-трёп- 00:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC) Barnstar File:Kul Tigin.jpg The Kul Tegin Medal of Honor I, Briangotts, hereby award you with the Kul Tegin Medal of Honor, for much hard work and dedication in expanding coverage of the Göktürks on Wikipedia. --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 02:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC) I appreciate the kind words re:Sargon... It was a chore to get that sorted out but I think it is going to pass FA now. Been meaning to start on Shuekuei but been short on time as well. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC) Suvorov's Italian and Swiss expedition Did you know? was updated. On 5 July, 2007, a fact from the article Suvorov's Italian and Swiss expedition, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --howcheng {chat} 17:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC) Quote citation {{citation needed}} tags were added to the two quotes in Suvorov's Italian and Swiss expedition. It's generally agreed that citations should always be cited with footnotes. Do you think you can fix that? Circeus 20:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC) The article was not written by me and I lack in-depth knowledge of the subject. I don't think the validity of the quotes may be reasonably disputed. Wikipedia does not approve pointless formalism. --Ghirla-трёп- 20:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC) What's up? Ghirla, I noticed your back-and-forth on one of the administrative boards today. Then I saw this and the situation has me shaking my head. You're an incredibly productive editor and I not only appreciate your work for the site, I'm grateful to you as one of the people who mentored me when I was new. A lot of people have respected you as a senior Wikipedian. In my own personal definition, respect means worthy of emulation. You've been around long eough to know site policies and standards better than I do and - heck, we're all human - sometimes it feels like the most honest thing to do is to mince no words before hitting the save page button. So I've got a question for you. Is the standard you're setting right now the one you want everyone to follow? If it is then I think that would make Wikipedia a bitter place. You've proven you can build the project under those conditions, but most of the rest of us slow down or get derailed. The dilemma where you're concerned is that your actions look like a request to other editors to stop respecting you. If I had seen those threads when I was a new editor and if I had conducted myself the same way, I'd probably have collected a block history and quit the site instead of becoming an administrator. You have that much effect on people. Whether or not you realize it, you do. Now I'm a bit of a basketball fan and I like analogies. So I'll put the matter this way: who would you rather be, Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant? DurovaCharge! 22:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC) Hi, Durova, nice to hear from you. Frankly, I'm not a very good object for emulation, and it's not the ambition to be emulated that keeps me editing this language segment of Wikipedia. And even more frankly, I would welcome your return to productive mainspace editing, because Wikipedia:Adminitis is sometimes very real. Folks constantly involved in adminspace activity tend to lose their perspective on what's really going on and what Wikipedia is about. Regardless, I always appreciate a third opinion from you, even when I feel that it was someone else who asked you to take a look into the matter. I don't like being called a troll (which happened twice today), I don't like to be subjected to forum shopping by one-purpose accounts and I don't like the dead silence from our 1,700 admins when they see that happen. In this way they effectively encourage rudeness, trolling, and abuse of process in mainspace. When they eventually start dealing with disruption, it's often too late. Since you think that I should not stoop to defending myself on WP:ANI, I will probably remove the page from my watchlist, although I know too well from experience that tireless forum-shopping on the part of my opponents may result in facile blocks on the part of newbie or prejudiced sysops. Now to your diff. As has been demonstrated in the ongoing Piotrus arbitration, he has transformed (or connived in transforming) the Poland-related noticeboard into a canvassing agent for the purpose of pushing pro-Polish POV in a variety of articles across Wikipedia. It was he who proclaimed there that every article edited by me is in effect vandalized. In short, the board under Piotr's guidance entirely discredited itself. Therefore I am very sensistive when they ask for "input" on Russia-related matters there. You will find necessary diffs on the Workshop page and you are welcome to chime in there if you have anything to add. Best, Ghirla-трёп- 23:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC) I respect your perspective on content-related matters and you certainly have every right and reason to respond if you think you've been unfairly attacked on a noticeboard. What dismayed me was the tone of those posts and page summaries. As Mae West once said, "It's not what you do, it's the way you do it." You're worth too much to the project to damage your own reputation by acting in ways that detract from your own credibility. DurovaCharge! 00:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC) Honesty This was a perfectly honest comment. This is not the first I see you obfuscating a perfectly valid request for citation by improperly reversing the burden of evidence. Circeus 23:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC) I asked two legitimate questions: what is being disputed? what's the purpose of referencing in this particular case? You declined to answer and obfuscated the query by inappropriate allegations of incivility. End of the topic. --Ghirla-трёп- 23:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC) Symeon of Polotsk On 6 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Symeon of Polotsk, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 06:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC) Vertep Did you know? was updated. On 6 July, 2007, a fact from the article Vertep, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. -- Nice catch :) GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 13:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC) Mirepoix "The three ingredients key to a particular cuisine, vary from culture to culture…" is irrelevant to the article, which is not about any combinations of three ingredients characteristic of various cuisines (which are not called "mirepoix" (see the removed "Holy Trinity" language), but specifically about mirepoix (= onions + carrots + celery.) See talk.Proabivouac 18:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC) Ghirlandajo, is there some particular reason you've reverted while ignoring both the talk page and my inquiry here?Proabivouac 00:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC) Because I agree with Wetman's summary of the situation. I don't see in which way these details are detrimental to the article. Neither do I agree that they are irrelevant. --Ghirla-трёп- 00:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC) Are you saying that you agree that I'm a vandal? That was his summary, after all.Proabivouac 01:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC) Ghirlandajo, a look at this one's User contributions— which do not feature any interest in cuisine, needless to say— may be sufficient to warn you not to let yourself be baited into a confrontation. --Wetman 03:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC) This may sound very strange to you, Wetman, but I was reading the article precisely because I was interested to learn what Wikipedia had to say about mirepoix. I saw the irrelevant and unsourced material and removed it, only to to be met with a hail of accusations and incivility, which continue ("baited").Proabivouac 03:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC) Vitebsk revisited Considering how we first met, rather funny: Talk:Fire of Moscow (1812). When I find the time, I may edit Alexander I of Russia later. --Pan Gerwazy 21:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC) Fernando Santos Costa Did you know? was updated. On 8 July, 2007, a fact from the article Fernando Santos Costa, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 20:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC) Your comment would be appreciated At the stub Genealogia deorum gentilium I just made an article from. Please edit to make any improvements you can see or give me some suggestions on the article Talk Page. Thanks.--Doug talk 12:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC) Gunnhild Mother of Kings Given that her husband and sons both had contacts and activities in Rus' and Bjarmland, I thought you might be interested in this new article (still needs a lot of expansion.) Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC) Basque witch trials Did you know? was updated. On 9 July, 2007, a fact from the article Basque witch trials, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --Nice catch :) GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 22:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC) Stephen Sayre Did you know? was updated. On 10 July, 2007, a fact from the article Stephen Sayre, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 10:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Historical maps Your comments would be welcome. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Spartocids Present for you in your email box. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Thanks. It looks like a personal work by the uploader, who may be no other than T. S. M. Mommaerts-Browne, a leading authority in the field of late ancient and early medieval genealogy (see bibliography in Descent from antiquity). --Ghirla-трёп- 18:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC) WikiProject Reference Desk Article Collaboration Hi Ghirla. I just wanted to inform you that I have been logging the results of your productive RD-to-article partnership with Clio at Wikipedia:WikiProject Reference Desk Article Collaboration. The project itself is not overly active at the moment (indeed, you, Clio and I appear to be the only people keeping it alive!), but my objective is to have a ongoing record of the tangible, positive effect that RD has had on the whole project. I think it is both informative and important to be able to demonstrate that the RD is more than just a talking shop. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know and to ensure you didn't mind your sterling work being "claimed" by a collective (that essentially consists of you both!) Rockpocket 01:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC) Maria Bochkareva It seems like this article was written without any reference to how she is perceived in Russia today (Russian Wikipedia has almost nothing about her). Would you look it over? Balcer 21:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC) I have heard nothing negative about her. You'll find web pages that refer to her as the Russian Jeanne d'Arc, although on the whole she is very little known. There are neither films nor books about her (except the memoirs, of course). You know that I don't normally discuss post-1850 history; the first time I heard about the lady was when her name was mentioned on the Reference Desk a month or two ago. --Ghirla-трёп- 21:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC) Thanks. I am surprised she is not better known in Russia as her story seems fascinating, though rather minor. Balcer 21:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC) Because most people were brought up in the Soviet Union where different personages were heroized (Shchors, Chapayev, Kotovsky, among others). --Ghirla-трёп- 21:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC) RE:Monastery of the Panaghia Hodegetria Hallo Ghirla, the monastery is cited on the sources as Hodegon (it is the word "Hodegetria" that comes from Hodegon, meaning "the monastery of the Guides"). Moreover, it is not a legend that in the monastery there was a spring. The structures which host the spring are actually the only remains of the complex. Finally, I could find mention of its rebuilding by Michael III nowhere in my sources. Just one last thing: if you agree, I will create a redirect named Church of the Panaghia Hodegetria (Constantinople) and I will put there the category 'Churches of Instanbul'. This will make the categorisation of this stub consistent with that of the rest of the articles about the kilise camiler in Istanbul. What do you think about it? Many Thanks and Regards, Alex2006 08:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) July 12th DYK Did you know? was updated. On 12 July, 2007, a fact from the article Albert Brackmann, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --Andrew c [talk] 17:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Gunnhild Mother of Kings Given your diverse interests I thought you might enjoy this new article. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Task Force You are being recruited by the Salem Witch Trials Task Force, a collaborative project committed to improving Wikipedia's coverage of the Salem witch trials. Join us! Psdubow 22:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Re: Anglo-French war 1557 I suspect you've already found out the answer, but just in case you haven't: it's the Italian War of 1551-1559. (See, in particular, the Battle of St. Quentin (1557).) Kirill 22:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Re: Russian Icons He's wrong, and if you agree with him, you are too. The information presented is accurate. --FactsAndHonesty 23:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC) DYK Did you know? was updated. On 13 July, 2007, a fact from the article Ignaz Trebitsch-Lincoln, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --Yomanganitalk 12:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC) DYK On 13 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Krasnaya Polyana, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. --Carabinieri 20:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Infobox Russian city I don't disagree about Gelendzhik as it was the very first article I tried this template in, so it's there mostly as a result of testing. Feel free to move it to talk (so it could be moved back when the article grows in size). I don't, however, agree that the template should be removed "on sight". Infoboxes are useful in that they provide the most basic reference information about a place at a glance; often information in the infobox meets all the needs a casual reader might have. I don't know if you noticed, but (apart from Gelendzhik) I never add this infobox to articles which already did not have some other similar infobox (often of a much inferior quality) and I would not, of course, purposefully add it to an article so short that an infobox would be much longer than the actual article.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 00:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Eiorgiomugini Hello Ghirlandajo! This week I enjoyed the privilege having a discussion with Eiorgiomugini about Shiliuguo Chunqiu, see [12]. I was rather shocked by his incivility. So I did a small research about his way having discussions with other people. After reading your remarks on [13] I am convinced this is just the way that guy talks. You are right, he thinks he owns the articles he has written. Furthermore I think phrases like You could spend your time adding more material about Russian subjects rather than following me around all day long directed to you or So go ahead why bother to make those nasty remarks here and there after my remark I mostly write articles on Chinese and Central-Asian history on Dutch wikipedia give an insight how this fellow thinks. No I will not get out of his way and I think you should treat him the same way as I did in my final remark on [14]. Long live Monty Python. Finally, do you think I can be of any use to [15]? I don't think so, because this is a rather different dispute. Greetings from a fellow sufferer, Guss2 18:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Ladoga I have to disagree with this move and with the subsequent redirect. True, most of the articles that currently link to Ladoga mean to link to Staraya Ladoga, but the total number of articles linking this way is quite small, and readers would be much better served if those links were straightened out to link directly to where they are supposed to (i.e., to "Staraya Ladoga"). Folks typing in "Ladoga" in a search box are as likely to expect landing in the article about the lake as in the article about the village. Having "Ladoga" redirect to the dab page covers both contingencies while redirecting it to some arbitrarily chosen article from the dab list is a clumsy and incomplete solution at best.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 22:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Ghirla, I have to disagree with... well, you get the gist :) The thing is, I don't see the situation with Ladoga as identical to the one with Novgorod. Of all the meanings of "Novgorod", the one referring to modern Veliky Novgorod stands out quite prominently. It is still possible to have a dab page directly at "Novgorod", but, as you rightfully implied, it would be the case of silly consistency at the expense of convenience (of both editors and readers). But Ladoga is different. In this case, we have two prominent items struggling for readers' attention. Your motivation for moving/redirecting the dab page was the number of backlinks, and "Staraya Ladoga" currently has about a hundred of them (about half of which come through "Ladoga"). But Lake Ladoga has twice as many! If anything, it would make more sense to redirect "Ladoga" to the article about the lake rather than to "Staraya Ladoga". There is no way to predict whether readers would be more likely to go to one article than another. The situation is not at all unlike that around Kirov, which is a disambiguation page and not a redirect—readers are equally likely to seek information about the city as they are about the man after whom the city was named. I understand your unwillingness to think of such minute details as piping the links when your mind is focused on the content and the flow of the article you are writing, but I'm afraid when it's not possible to satisfy the convenience of both editors and readers, the convenience of readers takes priority (if I were to seek information about the lake, landing on "Staraya Ladoga" after typing "Ladoga" in the search box would be mildly annoying... as would be the necessity to click away first to the dab page and only then to the destination). Knowing your dislike to mindless repetitive edits, I can offer you a compromise—we'll restore the dab page as it were (following the reasoning above), and I'll straighten the links so they point to "Staraya Ladoga" and not to the disambiguation page for you. That is, of course, unless you have any additional counter-arguments I have not yet addressed. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 23:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Agreed then. I'll take care of backlinks and restore the dab page some time on Monday. In future, if you happen to encounter a similar dillema, feel free to let me know. I don't mind doing this kind of maintenance at all. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 23:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Sorting by nationality Hi Ghirlandajo, your edits on the Estophobia AfD like this one are unacceptable. This is disruptive, and you will be blocked if you persist. Please stop. Thanks, Crum375 13:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)