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:::[[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019#top|talk]]) 05:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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::::Are you planning to cite them in the article for other editors to verify or are you just going to keep adding content without citing sources? Btw, you need to cite the book with the relevant page number. [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira🐉]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 05:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Are you planning to cite them in the article for other editors to verify or are you just going to keep adding content without citing sources? Btw, you need to cite the book with the relevant page number. [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira🐉]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 05:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::Virtually all the context I include is cited; I'm working concurrently on multiple related articles. What is helpful if for someone to chase up citations if they feel each line needs to be autistically individuated. What is unhelpful? When you make risibly false claims of OR and blank large sections of text not because you actually can sustain an authentic belief of rampaging OR, but because your particular peeve-meter overflows.
:::::The latter tendency is destructive to Wikipedia. Both the sources I cite above ''I've already cited,'' by the way; they're not suddenly pulled out of nowhere defensively.
:::::I strongly suggest you go find a more productive use of your time, or at least a weaker target. [[User:Hölderlin2019|Hölderlin2019]] ([[User talk:Hölderlin2019#top|talk]]) 05:34, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Routledge a non-academic publisher?

About this edit: Are you sure that Routledge is a non-academic publisher?

I agree that the reference is not primarily concerned with the main topic of the article, so it is not an ideal tertiary source about the ongoing "debate", but Olson is an academic scholar who is far from propagating "fringe crankery". Please read the passage from the source [1]. Olson 1) starts with the mainstream view, then 2) describes the Indus-Valley-to-Vedic theory, and finally 3) describes a third position that suggest "mutual cultural influence". However, only the second part was quoted (more or less verbatim), which makes it appear as if Olson defends the Indigenous Aryans bunk. The only thing Olson can be blamed for is that he portrays the dispute between the scholarly mainstream view and the ideologically motivated Indigenous Aryans "theory" as if these positions were on equal footing. I'll reinsert the source at the end of the paragraph, but leave the quoted text out, which was redundant anyway. –Austronesier (talk) 15:53, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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If so, please identify those accounts. I find your editing patterns strange. You pop up on pages that you've never edited before only to revert me. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:50, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. To my knowledge, I’ve only reverted two of your edits, both of which consisted of undue lede additions. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 19:07, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please explain how you came to revert edits on those pages shortly after I did. Do you just happen to watchlist those two articles that you had never edited before? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I recently visited the Kushner article because I wanted to read it. I was struck by the inappropriateness of the lede — as were several other editors. Rereading the Kushner article, I became curious as to whether or not you were generally prone to inserting policy-violating ot otherwise undue material in leads generally. I’ll note that the reverts I made were backed by multiple others in both articles. You should take care to avoid infusing your POV so nakedly into your editing. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 21:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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You must completely refrain from doing WP:IDONTLIKEIT-based removals like here, here, here and elsewhere. Siddsg (talk) 05:44, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You must completely refrain from editing in topics you evidently know nothing about, particularly given your recent history of being admonished for edit warring on articles on which discretionary sanctions are in place. My removing the ‘quote’ from the articles on Hinduism and homosexuality has nothing to do with my personal preferences, and everything to do with the fact that the quote in question appears nowhere in the actual text of the Rigveda. You are welcome to demonstrate to me where I am in error by linking to the *actual* passage in the running text of the Rigveda which contains the quote I removed, *or* to a scholarly work by a Sanskritist documenting the passage with a translation (you should start with Jamison & Brereton). If you cannot (and you won't be able to - it's actually a quote from an entirely unrelated document), the quote will remain out of the articles. Frankly, even the form of the quote being cited - Vikruti Evam Prakriti establishes that the quoter is unfamiliar with Sanskrit, since the syllabic r̥ is transliterated in two different ways, which is not an error a Sanskritist would make. To say nothing of the translation itself, which is off.
The statement I removed from the article mleccha misrepresents the source, which does not make anachronistic claims about whether or not ancient cultic practies meet the standards of *modern* Hindu practice. I've revised it to reflect the source. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 15:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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See WP:IDHT and WP:DE especially when you make erroneous claims[2][3] even when the added sources are supporting the text. [4][5] Your reverts came after getting reverted over the same problem earlier and you were notified on your talk page about it and even after one other editor reverted you. Though it seems that you haven't read WP:IDONTLIKEIT, I would recommend you to read WP:RGW as well. Siddsg (talk) 10:33, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you able to link to the actual verse in the text of the Rig Veda, or provide an academic source from a Sanskritist, establishing the presence of the quote in the Rig Veda? I’m not righting great wrongs; I’m simply pointing out that there is no support whatsoever for the existence of this phrase in the Rig Veda in the academic literature dealing with the Rig Veda itself. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 10:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
One of the two sources is from Ashgate Publishing which is an academic book and journal publisher. No need to say more. Siddsg (talk) 10:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a source by a *Sanskritist*; that's a source on queer theory, etc., which does not make it a reliable source for claims about Sanskrit texts, especially since they themselves have not sourced the claim. Can you explain why this passage appears nowhere in the text of the Rigveda, and why it is not present in any of the academic sources on the Rig Veda, such as Witzel's, or Jamison & Brereton? Hölderlin2019 (talk) 11:00, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They have no expertise in LGBT history by a long shot that's why they don't bother. But nonetheless, a simple google search shows me gazillions of reliable sources supporting the information so all you can do now is that you can read WP:OR. Siddsg (talk) 11:06, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You are suggesting that LGBT scholars who cannot read Sanskrit, and who make a claim about the existence of a passage that is not supported by any of the actual scholars on Sanskrit, are more reliable on translations of Sanskrit than the actual Sanskrit scholars themselves? Also, I don't understand why you're unwilling to seach the database yourself and show me where the verse occurs. I provided you with a link; it'd shut me up *very* quickly if you could just link to the actual verse which contains the text in question. Monier-Williams categorically states that the words don't appear in the text Hölderlin2019 (talk) 11:08, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Unwilling" because of WP:OR. If your position holds any merit then it should be easy for you to cite an "academic" source supporting it, just like you have been already told on the article's talk page. Siddsg (talk) 11:17, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've just cited Monier-Williams, and Jamison and Brereton, which you claim aren't authoritative on Sanskrit or the Rig Veda because they have no expertise in LGBT history (!) - Bloomfield & Sastri also supports my position. I've mentioned all of these on the article's talk page. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 11:21, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I see this is a purely WP:CIR issue then given you still don't understand the very basics. Noting that you are already engaging in blatant WP:CANVASSING[6][7][8] I am giving you a final warning now that if you engaged in further disruption then you will be reported accordingly. Siddsg (talk) 12:06, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it’s a CIR issue, but not in the way you might suspect. I’ve pinged a number of editors who specialize in India and Sanskrit-related articles; I have no idea what sort of stance they’ll take. I merely want their thoughts. Incidentally, I attach no importance whatsoever to your “warnings”. Do go ahead and “report” me, and keep in mind WP:Boomerang. I trust you’re enjoying the academic sourcing I’ve provided.
Now forgive me while I laugh my ass off at the levels of Dunning-Kruger irony present in you citing WP:CIR. Do refamiliarize yourself with this part: “ the ability to read sources and assess their reliability. Editors should familiarize themselves with Wikipedia's guidance on identifying reliable sources and be able to decide when sources are, and are not, suitable for citing in articles“ — competence certainly is required, and, in this context, you unequivocally lack it. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 12:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Half the sources are already in the article; it's abundantly clear that you have no domain expertise whatsoever. Now, you could have asked, in the event I was somehow capable of typing hypertechnical descriptions in keeping with the literature, but you instead decided to wipe out my transposition of a summary from the K school of math. The obvious inference is that WP:COMPETENCEISREQUIRED.

Once I have the balance of the prose correct, I will re-add in the sources that already exist in the page. In the interim, find a workgroup competent on any of the germane matters and defer to them, since you clearly lack the competence to even understand what the article was initially saying. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 20:22, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So let's stop by one of the India or Caste or Sanskrit workprojects and see what their take on you ignoring sources already in the article are in order to prevent a more comprehensive improvement of it are. Shall we? Can I expect an apology and complete rollback when you're done demonstrating that you can't even trace the initial claims to already linked sources? Why are you so demonstrably editing outside of your depth? Hölderlin2019 (talk) 20:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Are you able to actually identify these alleged instances of copying from the article you cite? Hölderlin2019 (talk) 16:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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I disagree wholeheartedly. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 03:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I do not create drafts under draftspace, and did not do so there. Do not move my pages. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 03:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The entire piece has been my work throughout: I simply do no accomodate domain-inexpert patrollers who mark perfectly substantial drafts as needing to me moved to draftspace. Direct your criticisms there. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 03:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Information icon Please refrain from making test edits in Wikipedia pages, such as those you made to T. Rangachari, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. Thank you. Dl2000 (talk) 23:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please take care to distinguish substantive edits from "test edits", so that I don't need to roll back your thoroughly inexplicable reversions. Thanks. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 23:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon Please do not add or change content, as you did at C. V. Runganada Sastri, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 04:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're going to condescend, please don't fail to miserably by demonstrating a total unfamiliarity with the actual sources in question. Rolled back. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 05:01, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you familiar with Wikipedia:Inline citation and WP:V? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:03, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Warning icon Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at C. V. Runganada Sastri, you may be blocked from editing. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:01, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop; if you continue to exhibit an extreme lack of WP:COMPETENCE, you *will* be blocked from editing. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 05:03, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's start here. His father, Anantharama, was reputed to be one of the greatest Sanskrit scholars of the day, in the manner of his grandfather and great-grandfather, but initially could not afford to have him educated. Do you have a source for this? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Take your pick; it's a very well-documented story in the relevant literature.
Calamur Viravalli Runganatha Sastri was born on February 15, 1820, at Calamur Village in  North Arcot District. With his thorough grounding in Vedic lore from his father Anantharama Sastri, he became an erudite Sanskrit scholar. Financial distress drove the family to Chittoor, the district headquarters. The father took an Ijara (contract as per Islamic finance) under the government. Unable to pay the lease amount, he landed in civil jail. Runganatha’s grandfather’s annual ceremony was nearing.  Seeing his mother wailing, the 16-year-old-boy made an epoch-making decision that changed the course of his future. He went to the collector’s office, requested the release of his father for a day, offering to take his place in jail. Stunned, the collector let off both the father and son on the condition that they return after the ceremony. The pithrus, (spirits of departed ancestors according to Hindu philosophy) pleased, must have blessed young Runganatha. The rest of his story is history.
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Hölderlin2019 (talk) 05:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you planning to cite them in the article for other editors to verify or are you just going to keep adding content without citing sources? Btw, you need to cite the book with the relevant page number. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Virtually all the context I include is cited; I'm working concurrently on multiple related articles. What is helpful if for someone to chase up citations if they feel each line needs to be autistically individuated. What is unhelpful? When you make risibly false claims of OR and blank large sections of text not because you actually can sustain an authentic belief of rampaging OR, but because your particular peeve-meter overflows.
The latter tendency is destructive to Wikipedia. Both the sources I cite above I've already cited, by the way; they're not suddenly pulled out of nowhere defensively.
I strongly suggest you go find a more productive use of your time, or at least a weaker target. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 05:34, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]