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The temptation to edit war or throw bane accusations at times is so great. How dare another editor revert my edits or dare to contradict me? The chakras are disturbed, the body seething in anger. Such are the animal impulses of human nature that need to be under control. Let patience, diplomacy, cool reasoning, and proper process win the day. Thinker78 (talk)

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Category:1940s assassinated French politicians has been nominated for splitting

Category:1940s assassinated French politicians has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 19:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

ok Thinker78 (talk) 03:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Assassinated politicians by stabbing has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated politicians by stabbing has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:17, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated politicians by method has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated politicians by method has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated politicians by beating has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated politicians by beating has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated politicians by decapitation has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated politicians by decapitation has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated politicians by explosive device has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated politicians by explosive device has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated politicians by firearm has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated politicians by firearm has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1940s assassinated French politicians

A tag has been placed on Category:1940s assassinated French politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

ok Thinker78 (talk) 23:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated politicians by political orientation has been nominated for deletion

Category:Assassinated politicians by political orientation has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 18:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated anti-capitalist politicians has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated anti-capitalist politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 18:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated anti-communist politicians has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated anti-communist politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 18:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated liberal politicians has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated liberal politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 18:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated conservative politicians has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated conservative politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 18:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I think you'd stand a better chance of keeping categories at the intersection of politician deaths/assassinations if you made a page about the scholarly literature on the topic before the category. Mason (talk) 18:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I think this is excessive deletionism. I added my full comment at the entry. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 18:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I can see how you'd think that. I still think you'd make a stronger case in general if you can point to a page about the intersection. Mason (talk) 19:14, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Assassinated Democratic Party (United States) politicians has been nominated for merging

Category:Assassinated Democratic Party (United States) politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 18:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Smasongarrison Can you refactor it to the entry regarding Assassinated politicians by political orientation, it belongs with the others, to avoid duplication of discussion. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 19:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely! Thanks for pointing that out, I appreciate it. And even though we disagree about intersections, I appreciate the effort and energy you put into categories. I think your efforts are a net-positive to wikipedia. Mason (talk) 19:13, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Mason. I appreciate it. Diversity of minds contributes to a proper balance in the world. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 19:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Chemtrails

Please don't reinstate dumb/trolling Talk page comments. It only feeds the trolls. Bon courage (talk) 06:14, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@Bon courage Please don't unduly remove the content dispute of talk pages. That's what talk pages are for, to discuss things. Thanks. Thinker78 (talk) 06:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

You are now edit-warring this crap back in and are at WP:3RR. Please work with (not against) admins to remove trolling from Wikipedia. Hint: the idea that naming the chemtrail conspiracy theory is "racist" is either trolling or from somebody WP:NOTHERE. Bon courage (talk) 06:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

First, your assertion that I am at 3RR is false. I have reverted twice in all time in that talk page. Second, you for some reason also decide to ignore the civility policy and use an inappropriate adjective, namely the word "dumb" to refer to the post of the ip user. Third, as I stated in my edit summary that you apparently chose to ignore, be mindful of WP:TPYES, which states,

Do not bite the newcomers: If someone does something against custom, assume it was an unwitting mistake; gently point out their mistake (referencing relevant policies and guidelines) and suggest a better approach.

Thanks. Thinker78 (talk) 06:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

You need to be able to distinguish between useful contributors and unwanted disruptors. Bon courage (talk) 06:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@Thinker78: I will block you if you reinstate obvious nonsense again. Regard that as avoiding disruptive edit warring if you like, but a more accurate assessment would be that it is to avoid the destructive effect on the community of such comments becoming common. If you have a point you would like to make about the article or whatever, make it, but don't edit war to restore nonsense from who-knows-who. Johnuniq (talk) 08:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@Johnuniq I consider this a highly inappropriate warning of a block. For starters, you did not even attempt to find out my rationale, even though I cited relevant Wikipedia guidance. The assume good faith guideline states,

When disagreement occurs, try as best you can to explain and resolve the problem, not cause more conflict, and so give others the opportunity to reply in kind. Consider whether a dispute stems from different perspectives, and look for ways to reach consensus.

It completely perplexes me why you chose to ignore the relevant guidance I added to the edit summaries of my two reverts. The Good practices for talk pages (WP:TPYES) I cited states,

Do not bite the newcomers: If someone does something against custom, assume it was an unwitting mistake; gently point out their mistake (referencing relevant policies and guidelines) and suggest a better approach.

The edit the ip user made in my opinion was not vandalism nor trolling. They made a request that the term "conspiracy theorist" be removed. I understand this term is considered pejorative among some people. They further stated it was "racist". The use of this word in my experience elsewhere is not limited to racial topics, but to denote an action as inappropriate as racism. I see it as a content dispute and it should have been addressed like that. Is there a chance it was trolling? Yes. But again, Wikipedia tell us to assume good faith.

The fact that Bon Courage did not address the concerns I pointed out in my edit summary and even used incivility in theirs, made me revert them as well. Your characterization of my edits as edit warring also fails to assume good faith and mischaracterizes my record. I personally try to stick to a 1 revert personal guideline out of principle, in general. Only a minority or a few of times I make a second revert. But I point out that making a second revert is backed by POLICY

Per the Consensus through editing policy states,

All edits should be explained (unless the reason for them is obvious)—either by clear edit summaries, or by discussion on the associated talk page. Substantive, informative explanations indicate what issues need to be addressed in subsequent efforts to reach consensus. Explanations are especially important when reverting another editor's good-faith work.

Except in cases affected by content policies or guidelines, most disputes over content may be resolved through minor changes rather than taking an all-or-nothing position. If your first edit is reverted, try to think of a compromise edit that addresses the other editor's concerns. If you can't, or if you do and your second edit is reverted, create a new section on the associated talk page to discuss the dispute.

I find it really rude from you that you completely ignore collegiality and my years of experience in the project when you immediately decided to threaten me with a block, when it is evident I did not make an arbitrary revert. I researched and cited relevant Wikipedia guidance for my reverts. You did not appear to have cared and did not even appear to respect the consensus policy.

Consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental method of decision making, and involves an effort to address editors' legitimate concerns through a process of compromise while following Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.

With all due respect I feel you are abusing your administrator powers in this case. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 00:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Thinker78, you've picked a strange cause to attach yourself to. A drive-by comment asserting that calling conspiracy theorists conspiracy theorists is racist is at best obvious nonsense, and at worst trolling. Moving on to tone-police editors who describe nonsense as nonsense is a waste of your time and ours. Acroterion (talk) 13:06, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@Acroterion and Johnuniq:, this is a recurring pattern of not understanding what is disruptive. See User talk:Thinker78/Archives/2023#Block of 99.196.130.183 ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:35, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I respectfully inquired and challenged your block at that time, citing relevant guidance. Now you come making accusations against me. Are the accusations unbiased and objective? I have to ask. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 00:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Because I stand against undue censorship, per the spirit and principle of the Wikipedia is not censored policy. I think making Wikipedia a more welcoming environment per the civility policy and other Wikipedia guidance is not wasting my time or of editors respectful of others. In addition, you seem to forget that in Wikipedia there are long discussions even for the placement of a comma. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 00:35, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

—Wehwalt, July 30, 2014.

Our community so rarely smacks down ne'er-do-wells that we should celebrate it when they do. There is a difference between patience for a new editor unaware of how we operate and a crank who brought their derangement to Wikipedia. While I get your point, I think it is unwise for you to defend this class of troll simply because you have more willingness to suffer fools. Please let the community do what it does. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:49, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 03:11, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish Kindly explain why you think I am making persistent disruptive edits and how you blocking me is appropriate being an involved editor in a dispute with another administrator and other editor. I wrote the reasons why the other administrator in my opinion had acted inappropriately in the Chemtrails thread above. You delved in the dispute writing an accusation against me, "this is a recurring pattern of not understanding what is disruptive". I stated and asked, I respectfully inquired and challenged your block [of another editor] at that time, citing relevant guidance. Now you come making accusations against me. Are the accusations unbiased and objective? I have to ask. You did not answer the question and instead proceeded to block me. I believe you should have left it to other administrators to review my case and I don't think it was appropriate from you to block me in this instance. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 03:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

You were yet again forum shopping in places where user conduct is not discussed. You are also failing to listen to advice and warnings. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 04:02, 10 February 2024 (UTC)