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Video link

Is it really necessary to have an external link to the video footage? Is Wikipedia a portal for snuff movies now?? If people really want to see it (for whatever reason) they can find it through Google. I see no value in encouraging people to watch it.

Toloatzin (talk) 11:47, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's there and serves a genuine purpose. What may be a stomach churning point in history is history and should be accounted for, both good and not so good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.203.94 (talk) 23:11, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

years ago while trying to see the footage for myself, a video posted on a foreign website which i found thru google virused my computer. a reliable link with protection on it would be nice actually. put content advisories on it, but there should be one. Cramyourspam (talk) 04:46, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

months later. yep. sure would.Cramyourspam (talk) 15:33, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

year later. still would still be nice. yep. Cramyourspam (talk) 21:01, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

two years later. yep. Cramyourspam (talk) 16:29, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, you've had two years. Why haven't YOU done something about it? fishhead64 (talk) 22:08, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing timeline of events

I am confused by some of the dates mentioned in the article. For example: "Leaving on 1 February 2004, he returned to Iraq on 14 March 2004..." and then just a few sentences later: "...but he was detained in Mosul on 4 March 2004 by Iraqi police...".

It seems to imply that he wasn't even in Iraq when he was detained in Iraq. Crunchyz (talk) 21:01, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moved inappropriate external links here

Who killed Nick Berg? - The Sydney Morning Herald (May 29, 2004)
What happened to Nick Berg? - The Baltimore Chronicle (June 7, 2004)
Questions Surround Slain American in Iraq at the Wayback Machine (archived June 2, 2004) - The Guardian Unlimited (May 12, 2004)^{[dead link‍]}
Berg beheading: No way, say medical experts The Asia Times (May 22, 2004)
Berg's encounter with 'terrorist' revealed - CNN (May 13, 2004)
Berg, Al Qaeda linked before - The New York Daily News (May 14, 2004)
Berg Met With Shady Iraqi at the Wayback Machine (archived May 18, 2004) The Philadelphia Daily News (May 17, 2004)
Berg Had Been Advised to Leave Iraq - Associated Press news story
A Father's Day Message, Both Parties Have Betrayed America By Michael Berg, CounterPunch.
Father of Beheaded Iraq Hostage Blames Bush Administration For Son's Death - Interview by Democracy Now! on August 24, 2004.

108.58.107.174 (talk) 10:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate to what? Many of these are credible news sources. Seems whoever you are you've just removed anything negative that might cast doubt on the Berg family account of what happened. Anon IP editors don't get to make such sweeping, obviously biased changes, a logged in editor wouldn't get away with it. A few of these are dead links but many are articles or archives of articles from legit sources, NY Times, Sydney Morning Herald, CNN, NY Daily News, AP Newswire via Yahoo. Status4 (talk) 18:57, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Quote

I removed the quote here because it is already parphrased in the text and it is not clear what the quote adds at all.VR _talk 18:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of direct quotation

User Vice regent has removed twice a direct quotation from the article, the first time using a misleading edit summary (“added The Guardian”), the second time, after my disagreement, stating that “it is not clear what the quotation adds that the paraphrase doesn't already include”.

Before their intervention (edit summary: “added The Guardian”) the paragraph looked like this:

During the video, the man reading the statement threatens further deaths: "We tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way." The video further threatens U.S. President George W. Bush and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf.

Currently it looks like this:

During the video, the man reading the statement said the killing was in revenge for the abuse at Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse and threatens further deaths. The video also threatens U.S. President George W. Bush and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf.

I believe that the removal of the sentence has the effect of impoverishing Wikipedia's accurate report of information. And, by reducing the space given to the “further threats”, has the apologetic effect of unbalancing the quotation towards Americans' Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse, although the latter have no actual part in the death of Nick Berg. --Grufo (talk) 18:20, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 I removed the quote [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nick_Berg&diff=972554171&oldid=972526751 here] because it is already parphrased in the text and it is not clear what the quote adds at all.'''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|<b style="color:Black">talk</b>]]</sub> 18:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
+== Removal of direct quotation ==
+User {{u|Vice regent}} has removed twice a direct quotation from the article, {{Diff|Nick Berg|972504944|965284301|the first time}} using a misleading edit summary (“added The Guardian”), {{Diff|Nick Berg|972554171|972526751|the second time}}, after {{Diff|Nick Berg|972526751|972505015|my disagreement}}, stating that “it is not clear what the quotation adds that the paraphrase doesn't already include”.
+Before their intervention (edit summary: “added The Guardian”) the paragraph looked like this:
+{{quotation|During the video, the man reading the statement threatens further deaths: "We tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way." The video further threatens [[President of the United States|U.S. President]] [[George W. Bush]] and [[President of Pakistan|Pakistani President]] [[Pervez Musharraf]].}}
+Currently it looks like this:
+{{quotation|During the video, the man reading the statement said the killing was in revenge for the abuse at [[Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse]] and threatens further deaths. The video also threatens [[President of the United States|U.S. President]] [[George W. Bush]] and [[President of Pakistan|Pakistani President]] [[Pervez Musharraf]].}}
+I believe that the removal of the sentence has the effect of impoverishing Wikipedia's accurate report of information. And, by reducing the space given to the “further threats”, has the apologetic effect of unbalancing the quotation towards Americans' [[Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse]], although the latter have no actual part in the death of Nick Berg. --[[User:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[User talk:Grufo|talk]]) 18:20, 12 August 2020 (UTC)