User talk:Pinchme123

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DS Violation

Hi, you just violated DS, specifically, "Consensus required: All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion). This includes making edits similar to the ones that have been challenged. If in doubt, don't make the edit." I suggest you revert or you might face being reported. In addition, there is no consensus on the talk page that I can see for this to be included. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 00:15, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I have not violated any discretionary sanctions. I "challenged" your edit via reversion with my one revert. The material you chose to delete has been established via editing consensus a few weeks ago.

If you would like to argue for its deletion, feel free to make a case on the talk page.

--Pinchme123 (talk) 00:23, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

No, you reinstated an edit.Sir Joseph ^(talk) 00:25, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

List of concentration and internment camps

You have violated 1RR on the article. Please take the opportunity to self-revert. El_C 04:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah so I have. I for some reason thought the 1RR was for the same content. I've reverted. How do I go about getting this editor to respect the outcome of the RfC, which clearly states that the section in question should be discussed prior to major edits like the ones they've carried out? I've already asked them on their talk page to do so. --Pinchme123 (talk) 04:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure which RfC outcome you refer to because you failed to link to it. El_C 04:51, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I am referring to this one: Talk:List_of_concentration_and_internment_camps#RFC_about_U.S.-Mexico_border_camps. Further discussion should take place to address any inconsistencies in the article's scope, and to ensure that coverage is appropriately weighted.

My request for discussion was in my bad revert, as well as here: [[1]]

--Pinchme123 (talk) 04:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure that excerpt clearly states that the section in question should be discussed prior to major edits. El_C 05:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I've been holding off on cleaning up the section because others didn't seem willing to discuss what was already there. It seems your opinion on the matter then is that there's nothing keeping me from making substantive changes then, correct? --Pinchme123 (talk) 05:05, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Correct. I'm not sure an RfC closure can even mandate such a limit on bold edits by fiat (unless it's integral to the RfC question) — not to mention that I remain unsure that this is what the closer had in mind, though you may wish to seek further clarification from him directly. El_C 05:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

The RFC was on whether or not to include that section. You can't mandate that any edit need an RFC, and even if you can (which you can't) I reverted an IP (or I think it was an IP) editor's insertion of a poorly worded paragraph of a recent NEWS event, which doesn't belong and I don't think we need a 1 News Item event in there. I understand you want the detention center in the article, but that doesn't mean you own the article and one time events don't get inserted into encyclopedias. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 05:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

El_C has already clarified the content of the RfC summary for me. I haven't claimed ownership over anything; I've only asked for collaboration and reliable sources.

Regarding the material I reverted, I specifically left deleted the paragraph noting the proposed rule change because it doesn't fit with the entry. I only (improperly) reverted your large pare-down because I was under the mistaken impression it should be discussed first. Given that I was wrong about that, I first reverted my mistake and now have gone ahead and further streamlined the paragraph to pare down excessive focus on a minority opinion, added additional sources, and clarified the descriptions of academics in one sentence.

--Pinchme123 (talk) 05:51, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

By totally POVing the entire section? You know you can't do that, right? I suggest you revert. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 05:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

And calling the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum a minority opinion, while inserting your own opinion to suit your own opinion is disgusting, and shows your bias. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 05:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Never mind, I undid your edit. Calling Yad Vashem or USHMMM a minority opinion just shows that you should not be editing in this area. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 05:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

You provided two sources of statements claiming that the "concentration camp" label shouldn't be applied to anything other than the Holocaust; hundreds of scholars responded to that specific claim by demanding a retraction. The literal existence of the Wikipedia article in question refutes the claim that the "concentration camp" label can't be anything beyond the Holocaust. So, to respect those minority opinions, I left them referenced along with their sources, while accurately giving weight to the literal hundreds of scholars who disagreed. That isn't POV, that's rational description. And yes, even respected authorities sometimes express minority opinions. --Pinchme123 (talk) 06:07, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Listen, we all know deep down in our hears that people only call them concentration camps because AOC tweeted about it and because Trump is President. When Clinton was President or Obama was saying the same stuff about illegal immigration, nobody complained. So I don't really care about the sources because they are politicizing something that is clear that it's not a concentration camp. People don't cross a border to walk into a concentration camp that Congress can appropriate funds if they want to increase funding if they want to. That's not a concentration camp. Anyone who says it is has lost their moral values. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 06:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)