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::User:The Banner has indicated both above and [[User talk:The Banner|on his talk page]] that he will not accept this consensus and that he will continue to nominate every WikiProject Aircraft nav box for TfD over time. He has indicated both above and on his talk page that there is a long-standing consensus that nav boxes must have five blue links, but when challenged by several editors to point to the existence of this consensus he was consistently unable to do so. He also indicated [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThe_Banner&diff=617242894&oldid=617236674 here] that he will continue to nominate WikiProject Aircraft nav boxes for deletion strictly for revenge purposes. I guess I could take him to ANI, but I prefer to just oppose each nomination as he makes them, pointing out these facts. He has also refused to notify this project of TfDs, I guess I will have to continue to do that work for him. - [[User:Ahunt|Ahunt]] ([[User talk:Ahunt|talk]]) 14:48, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
::User:The Banner has indicated both above and [[User talk:The Banner|on his talk page]] that he will not accept this consensus and that he will continue to nominate every WikiProject Aircraft nav box for TfD over time. He has indicated both above and on his talk page that there is a long-standing consensus that nav boxes must have five blue links, but when challenged by several editors to point to the existence of this consensus he was consistently unable to do so. He also indicated [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThe_Banner&diff=617242894&oldid=617236674 here] that he will continue to nominate WikiProject Aircraft nav boxes for deletion strictly for revenge purposes. I guess I could take him to ANI, but I prefer to just oppose each nomination as he makes them, pointing out these facts. He has also refused to notify this project of TfDs, I guess I will have to continue to do that work for him. - [[User:Ahunt|Ahunt]] ([[User talk:Ahunt|talk]]) 14:48, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
:::How many times must I tell you to stop harassing me with this useless exercise? This is the wrong veue to get a consensus, you must be at TfD for that. And about what you call revenge nominations: I made it loud and clear that you have to stop with your false accusations that I am acting in bad faith. And I promised you that every personal attack or false accusation would be followed by checking another series of templates and nominate them when applicable. So every new series of nominations is directly related to your rude behaviour towards me. Act politely and we can just await the decisions of the administrators. But my other advice will be simple: make sure each and every template has five links to relevant, existing articles. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 15:22, 17 July 2014 (UTC)


==Notification of nomination for deletion of [[Template:Weller Flugzeugbau aircraft]]==
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List of large aircraft and Template:Giant aircraft nominated for deletion

NRC Pterodactyl VIII‎

I have started a discussion at Talk:NRC Pterodactyl VIII‎ on whether the plane and the article have the right name. I don't know much about these aircraft, so all contributions welcome,— Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

9 days an no more comments - can we rename it now?NiD.29 (talk) 06:23, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just added some stuff I dug up. Sorry for the delay, busy on other things. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
On second thoughts, hope I've said enough now for you to go ahead. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:23, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of active military aircraft

Just been trying to sort out List of active military aircraft of the Philippines and was putting the aircraft into alphabetical order, I have been reverted by User:Israformales saying the order of significance is better than alphabetical order. As I fail to see how you can measure significance is putting it into alpha order reasonable or have I missed the point, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 12:44, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think "order of significance" is way too vague and subject to a lot of disagreement. For instance, as a helicopter pilot I always think helicopters are far more important than mere fighters and bombers. We have to go with alphabetical order to save a lot of silly arguments and also to make it easier for readers to find a specific aircraft on the list, too. - Ahunt (talk) 13:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MilborneOne. Maybe order of significance is really vague. But if you would order the planes alphabetically, you will separate planes that are purposely bunched-up together. Take for example for combat aircraft, due to alphabetization, the light attack aircraft were already separated. Take for example the transport aircraft, you've already mixed-up those used for lift versus those used for VIP transport.

If you want to sort by type, then you need to break the page into sections, and then alphabetize within each section, otherwise no-one will have any clue where to look in your list for a specific aircraft. It better to put them all in a table, by name, but then allow them to be sorted by name, role, year and number bought. For example check out List of aircraft of Canada's air forces.NiD.29 (talk) 06:07, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I already conceded to the alphabetical order. I tweaked the listings for helicopters so that it is alphabetical as well. Israformales (talk) 07:03, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

K, np.NiD.29 (talk) 17:49, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:J & J Ultralights Aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 July 2. - Ahunt (talk) 14:03, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tupolev Tu-116

User:Le Grand Bleu has created a new article on the Tu-116 at Tupolev-116 rather than just work on the original Tupolev Tu-116 article, they have some desire to be recorded as the article author. Rather than a complicated history merge I have used a copied from/to template to retain attribution for the new content and not loose the history of the page as I copied it into the original article over a redirect. This has not been helped by being reverted in the middle of the process can I ask others to keep an eye on the articles please, thanks.MilborneOne (talk) 12:05, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You stole my work and moved the contents to another page under your name. What do you expect me to think about it? Not to mention you started an edit war without any explanation. I'm reverting your changes until you care to explain what the heck you're doing. Also, I have to say this notice itself is quite offensive. You did not discuss your actions with me, did not reach any consensus or even provided a prior explanation, yet you posted a warning in a defamatory tone usually reserved to alert users of a vandal or some other evil-willed user. Le Grand Bleu (talk) 12:11, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
On my watchlist. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 13:23, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Le Grand Bleu has been blocked multiple times for disruptive editing and personal attacks on others (and been suspected of sock-puppetry).
Clearly there is a lack of understanding on how wikipedia works, starting with the fact that no-one owns a page - once it is written, it is free for anyone to do as they wish, including completely rewrite, or copy elsewhere (though this should be attributed to the original page). It cannot be stolen as it does not belong to anyone, and no-one can lay claim to being the "author" as all pages are subject to editing by anyone at any time. If Le Grand Bleu wishes to create a page perhaps rather than deleting an existing page and creating a new one at a random location, a perusal of aircraft types that are still without pages would be a better use of time - there are a great many aircraft for which no page exists yet - there is no need to vandalize an existing article for personal gratification. Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/Missing articles/1 is just the first page of a very long listing of pages that still need to be written - and there are a fair number of significant types lurking in there, begging to be done.NiD.29 (talk) 06:04, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:XtremeAir aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_14#Template:XtremeAir_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 15:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Zenoah aircraft engines

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:Zenoah_aircraft_engines. - Ahunt (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:ZALA aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_14#Template:ZALA_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 15:30, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RT aerostats systems

A new article has recently been created for RT aerostats systems. This company appears to be a subsidiary of Aeronautics Defense Systems. The new article lacks references and other good things - should it be improved or simply merged in with the parent article? Comments please at Talk:RT aerostats systems. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 09:05, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Windward Performance aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at [[1]]. - Ahunt (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Wings of Freedom aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:Wings_of_Freedom_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:World Aircraft Company aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:World_Aircraft_Company_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Worldwide Ultralite aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:Worldwide_Ultralite_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:William Evans aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:William_Evans_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mass nomination of aircraft manufacturer nav boxes for deletion

As can been seen above, one editor seems to have taken exception to the existence of thousands of aircraft manufacturer nav boxes and is nominating these, one at a time, for deletion. I have asked him to bring the discussion here for consensus, but he seems to have declined to do so and would apparently rather just pursue nominating nav boxes instead.

Here on WikiProject Aircraft we have had a longstanding practice of creating nav boxes for manufacturers who have two of more aircraft models and have standardized this across tens of thousands of articles on aircraft types. This editor is citing an essay WP:NENAN as the reason to nominate the nav boxes for deletion in favour of putting links in "see also" instead. My opinion is that the use of nav boxes across aircraft type articles creates a uniform reader experience, making most aircraft articles much easier to navigate and making it very quick to see what other aircraft types the manufacturer has also built.

My thought in bringing this here for debate is to see if we can create a new and formal consensus on the issue rather than have to carry out this debate piecemeal for each template nominated for deletion. - Ahunt (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, this looks like a one-man crusade. My feeling is that even for manufacturers with only a couple of aircraft to their name that these navboxes perform a useful function, & are a better option than including links to other aircraft in (eg) a "see also" section: its a natural reaction to want to know what other craft a company has produced, & I think that the navbox does his to best effect.TheLongTone (talk) 18:08, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I took the use of a navbox to be a better alternative to filling up the "See also" and allows for more efficient presentation including some categorization. To address the specific concerns, the essay takes a reasonable stance by advising a "rule" that if there are five articles to link then a navbox should be considered, and most aircraft navboxes manage that. The essay Wikipedia:A navbox on every page (I note that it doesn't actually propose that) identifies some good reasons for navboxes (including de-orphaning articles). GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:59, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And where is that consensus to be found? - Ahunt (talk) 20:08, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Template for Discussion pages. The argument that WP:NENAN is only an essay has proven to be non-effective with the acting administrators. The Banner talk 20:16, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You need to provide an actual link to the consensus discussion, or else I don't think editors here will believe you. - Ahunt (talk) 20:20, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just check those pages. Time and time again navigation templates are removed due to failing WP:NENAN. Kind of Common Outcomes. But when you want to overturn consensus, TfD is the place to discuss it. The Banner talk 20:30, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll note that NENAN is a very minor essay that was created by an editor who is noted for having a... *cough* controversial at times idea of what is or is not notable. If it's being used to make deletion decisions the people who are doing so need to be trouted. Does removing the navbox improve Wikipedia for the user, especailly the novice-to-average user? No. No, it does not, no matter how few links are in it. (I'd say this is the silliest concept I've seen in awhile but at the same time I'm seeing the argument that a photograph of a NASCAR race car somehow violates the sponsor's copyright...) - The Bushranger One ping only 20:43, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
User:The Banner: You are not providing any link to any discussion that shows any real consensus, so I am thinking that means that there really isn't one. We will decide a solid actual consensus one way or the other here. I would suggest you wait until this discussion is complete then. If the consensus here is that these are not needed you can nominate them all at once instead of piecemeal. If the consensus here is to keep them then this will save you all that wasted time of nominating them against the new consensus. - Ahunt (talk) 20:46, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)Have the templates been deleted specifically under WP:NENAN or for reasons within WP:NENAN. The editing guideline on navboxes is at Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. I don't feel that the linked articles have to exist, so long as there is a reasonable assumption that they could be created and meet notability criteria. GraemeLeggett (talk) 20:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The most recent template discussion that I found that cited WP:NENAN was Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_January_2#Template:Spy_Fox, which was as much deleted (as I understand it)because its content was redundant to another navbox. I've found other deletions as a result of deciding the navbox had only a couple of navigable links but not citing WP:NENAN GraemeLeggett (talk) 20:55, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
471 Pages including the word NENAN, but I did not check everyone of the. My guess is that at least 95% of NENAN-nominaties is followed by removal or succesful rescue-operation. The Banner talk 21:10, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE: As editors can see even while we are discussing this issue the editor has been nominating more and more aircraft nav box templates for deletion. I have asked him nicely to please stop until this discussion has been completed. - Ahunt (talk) 21:01, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And very nicely I promised to stop for today. The Banner talk 21:10, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(EC) There is no minimum number of links given at WP:NAVBOX which is the guideline (WP:NAV is an essay). About five or six years ago this project moved away from the untidy 'sequence' format that was in Template:Aircontent and positively changed to navboxes. The only thing I can see against the guideline is that the navbox parent article should not be a redlink which can be fixed. Mass deletion nomination seems to be very against the spirit of Wikipedia, low on content they may be but these navboxes are very useful editing tools (i.e. 'what is left to write articles on?' is how I often use them. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 21:04, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
User:The Banner has indicated that he is done nominating boxes for today, but doesn't seem to accept that any consensus here will effect the authority of that essay he likes to cite or of the TfD editors. - Ahunt (talk) 21:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
True, as this is the wrong venue to reach consensus. The administrators on TfD are the ones who decide ultimately so you have to convince them how unreasonable it is to use a five relevant links threshold for navigation templates. The Banner talk 21:22, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is a perfectly valid place to come to a consensus on aircraft nav boxes and no less valid than TFD talk pages. If you think other people should be participating in this discussion then please do invite them here. We would like to have as wide a discussion as possible, Also, as I noted on your talk page, continuing to nominate templates for deletion while this discussion is ongoing may be seen as disruptive to make a WP:POINT. - Ahunt (talk) 21:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The same for refusing to even listen to my point that this is the wrong venue. The Banner talk 21:53, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not considering all the navbox stuff; I only really care about WP:NAVBOX. Guideline #4 basically requires an article to exist as the title. I believe there have been a few exceptions, but exempting a whole series of templates could be controversial. It may be better to have a list or category for these, until a notable article that can appropriately link them exists. I understand black titles filling in a few spaces, but this may be too many. Can an article be made about a group of any of these? Other than the titles, the boxes more or less follow the guidelines. —PC-XT+ 23:55, 15 July 2014 (UTC) Also, as convenient as it is to discuss all of these in one centralized discussion, the decision is ultimately in the hands of the admins, now that they have been nominated at TfD. I see nothing wrong with discussing it here, as long as TfD isn't forgotten. Otherwise, you may end up at a deletion review process, which is a difficult way to go, even if you have new information. —PC-XT+ 00:20, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of these do have titular articles, the J & J Ultralights template that was already deleted had one. Have a look at the ones nominated, Template:ZALA aircraft, Template:Windward Performance aircraft, Template:World Aircraft Company aircraft and Template:Weller Flugzeugbau aircraft all have titular articles, so that isn't the reason these are being nominated. The rest could easily have them written if that is an issue, which is a better way to build an encyclopedia rather than deleting useful nav boxes. Also I have left multiple invitations for anyone reading TfDs to participate here and also asked User:The Banner to ensure that the appropriate people are invited. If people don't comment then that is their choice to not make up part of the consensus result either way. - Ahunt (talk) 01:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How many times do I have to tell you that this is the wrong venue? Try a neutral place and try an official RfC. But getting consensus among peers around something that is far wider used is just not sensible. Beside that, I still did not see any valid arguments to change the present consensus that navigation templates should have at least five relevant blue links. Please note that the link to the parent article and a section "related" or "see also" do not count for the five relevant links. That is the common practice at TfD. The Banner talk 13:22, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is a completely appropriate venue since we are only discussing aircraft manufacturer nav box templates, which come under the purview of this project. Other people who may be interested have been notified and are welcome to participate. Any consensus here will not affect any other templates, just the ones being discussed here. Also you have not shown any real indication that "present consensus that navigation templates should have at least five relevant blue links". Where is that consensus to be found? Please provide a link. If you can't actually show where that consensus is found then I can only conclude that there isn't one. Regardless, as per WP:CONSENSUS a new consensus can be created at any time and that is what we are doing here. - Ahunt (talk) 13:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If I remember the use of these navigation boxes was a compromise solution because somebody didnt like the same information in the see also section. If we remove all these thousands of navboxes then somebody will have to add the stuff back in the see also. In a few months time somebody else will object to this and we will then re-create all the navboxes again. All time and effort that could be used in improving the article, suggest just leave well alone they are a useful navigation aid to the reader and that is far more important. MilborneOne (talk) 13:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How about a postponement of decision on the templates nominated to give a window of opportunity for some redlinks to be filled in. A moratorium on nomination would also be useful to make the task manageable - I presume the nominator has a system for identifying the ones they think are problematic and would be able to resume nomination at any time without losing their place. Does Wikipedia:There is no deadline offer any advice? GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:41, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked the editor in question on his talk page several times to stop any further noms until this consensus is decided either way, but he has indicated he will continue nominating more and more templates for deletion regardless and that he will not accept any consensus here. - Ahunt (talk) 22:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen between 3 and 8 articles as the threshold number, but for me it varies depending on the situation. (Note that 3 blue links to the same page, through two separate redirects and a direct link to the page, would be considered one article linked.) I don't know how much weight my !vote will have on the admin's decision, but for what it's worth, here are my personal guidelines for these templates at this time:

  1. I will !vote delete on any of these that have fewer than 3 total linked articles, including the title link, and few red links, because I really see no reason for a navbox at that number, and it will (I assume) mean a small number of edits to place these few links in See also sections. I also doubt the small number of links will cause many complaints, (I hope.) I may make exceptions if I believe enough articles will be linked in the future.
  2. If the navbox has a blue title and at least two other articles are blue-linked, I will !vote keep, at least for now. I consider this a low threshold, but I think it is fair considering the large number of nominations.
  3. If the navbox title is a red link, I will !vote either a conditional delete with support for undeleting/recreating when the title article (and possibly one or two others) exist or keep for now with support for renomination if they are not created (in 6 months, give or take.)

If I have not clearly followed these guidelines in my actual !votes on any of these templates, or if you think I should make an exception, please ask me about it on the TfD discussion, pinging me if you like. If you think I should change my personal guidelines, please respond here. (I'll be busy until the weekend, so don't worry if I take hours to answer.) Thanks. —PC-XT+ 06:01, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:PC-XT: Thank you for your carefully considered input! - Ahunt (talk) 14:48, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think the main discussion here has died down now, although obviously this thread will remain open for further input from any other editors. Also, as can be seen, we have had input from editors from outside the Aircraft Project, since invitations were passed on to editors working on TfD as well, making this a broad-based discussion.
To sum up what we have heard so far, we have six editors in favour of retaining all WikiProject Aircraft nav boxes, regardless of the number of blue links, one who says there should be five blue links and one who says there should be at least three blue links including a titular article. So the clear consensus is that all WikiProject Aircraft nav boxes should be retained, regardless of the number of blue links. I should point out that this consensus is regarding WikiProject Aircraft nav boxes only and in no way effects TfDs on other templates outside the scope of WikiProject Aircraft, which is why it was discussed here, with widely invited input.
User:The Banner has indicated both above and on his talk page that he will not accept this consensus and that he will continue to nominate every WikiProject Aircraft nav box for TfD over time. He has indicated both above and on his talk page that there is a long-standing consensus that nav boxes must have five blue links, but when challenged by several editors to point to the existence of this consensus he was consistently unable to do so. He also indicated here that he will continue to nominate WikiProject Aircraft nav boxes for deletion strictly for revenge purposes. I guess I could take him to ANI, but I prefer to just oppose each nomination as he makes them, pointing out these facts. He has also refused to notify this project of TfDs, I guess I will have to continue to do that work for him. - Ahunt (talk) 14:48, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How many times must I tell you to stop harassing me with this useless exercise? This is the wrong veue to get a consensus, you must be at TfD for that. And about what you call revenge nominations: I made it loud and clear that you have to stop with your false accusations that I am acting in bad faith. And I promised you that every personal attack or false accusation would be followed by checking another series of templates and nominate them when applicable. So every new series of nominations is directly related to your rude behaviour towards me. Act politely and we can just await the decisions of the administrators. But my other advice will be simple: make sure each and every template has five links to relevant, existing articles. The Banner talk 15:22, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Weller Flugzeugbau aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_15#Template:Weller_Flugzeugbau_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Whittaker aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_15#Template:Whittaker_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Welch aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_15#Template:Welch_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Walter Haufe aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_15#Template:Walter_Haufe_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Wagner aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_15#Template:Wagner_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:W.F. Stewart Company aircraft

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this template falls, that this template has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_15#Template:W.F._Stewart_Company_aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 21:05, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:V-STOL Aircraft

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Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Velocity aircraft

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Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:VFW-Fokker aircraft

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Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Vidor aircraft

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Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Viking Aircraft

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Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Volmer Jensen aircraft

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Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Vortech aircraft

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Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:UL-Jih aircraft

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Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:Ulrich Hütter and Wolfgang Hütter aircraft

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Notification of nomination for deletion of Template:US Aviation aircraft

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