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NJ Wineries & Colonial Governors

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I review the first section of the List of colonial governors of New Jersey. It looks very good. I standardized the table format, and changed some verbiage. Someone may question during the feature list review why you don't have more pictures of the colonial governors. I'm taking a break for now, but will review theexperience growing fruitinder of the article late tonight. DavidinNJ (talk) 21:53, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for your work so far. Images of the colonial governors have proven harder to find than I had thought. NJ's state archives has a picture of West Jersey governor Daniel Coxe that isn't actually the governor but his son. And I'm not entirely sure the picture of Governor Berry is actually the correct John Berry (and two books might be making that mistake as well). However, the Massachusetts list which is FL doesn't have all the governors' portraits either--but they have a lot more than NJ.--ColonelHenry (talk) 23:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

*Maybe we shouldn't include the pictures? I'm uncertain on this one. On one hand, I think that images improve an article. On the hand, there are no pictures for nearly two-thirds of the governors, which makes it a largely vacant category. For a normal article, I would just leave the pictures, but I'm not sure how the feature list reviewers will judge it.

I think with the pictures it looks more comprehensive/professional...I'm just surprised at the ones that you would think would have portraits...i.e. Josiah Hardy doesn't have one, but his brother and father (both Sir Charles) have famous portraits. I intend to find a few more portraits before I nominate the list.--ColonelHenry (talk) 01:34, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Over time, we may be able to find more pictures. Also, any images on a website run by a NJ executive department is in the public domain. No copyright issues. DavidinNJ (talk) 02:16, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

On a different note, I heard back from the GSWGA. They don't know of any new wineries opening to the public this year. DavidinNJ (talk) 21:53, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

• I wonder why GSWGA doesn't know about new wineries...is it that there are new ones that just haven't seen the need to reach out to GSWGA or that there are no license applications? GSWGA never responded to my request for information when I was first seeking information on how to start a winery, and frankly, I don't see any benefit in joining them when I do get one started in the next year or two.--ColonelHenry (talk) 23:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

GSWGA is good for small wineries that don't want to do their own advertising. By being part of GSWGA, you get a booth at 10-12 wine festivals per year, and your winery is on their wine trail lists that people visit. If a winery is not part of GSWGA, some New Jersey wine drinkers will not know about it. The big problems I've heard about GSWGA is that they have too many rules, and are very anti-competitive - all their members are supposed to have similiar policies (e.g., hours, tasting fees). Essentially, a monopoly.

On the other hand, Balic Winery quit GSWGA about 10 years ago because of their BS, and is doing better than ever. They have billboards throughout Atlantic County (next to the casino billboards), are open 9 AM to 8 pm every day, have outlet stores around the state that exclusively sell Balic wine, and get frequent coverage in the Press of Atlantic City. Turdo and Alba both quit in the last 5 years, and are doing fine. The former gets a lots of vacationers from Cape May and Wildwood, and the latter has extensive retail distribution.

You can definitely operate a non-GSWGA winery. You have to have a way to attract people to your winery, and its good if you can get local media attention (e.g., New Jersey Herald). I would also suggest offering something at your winery that is unique. For example, I visited Peppadew Fresh Vineyards in February, which is not a member, and they also are the only growers of peppadews in the United States. I wish you well with your winery; I will visit. DavidinNJ (talk) 01:12, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I plan on doing German/Austrian-style wines, ciders, and distilled spirits (getting both a winery and a plenary distillery license), and a slew of farm products (smoked meats, cheese, jellies, etc.). I was looking at the peppadews the last few days and might try them in my home garden this year. But I come at it from a background in the agriculture/energy end of private equity and a hardcore hobby of botany and horticulture, and too many friends in NYC (including ex-girlfriends still friendly) who are in marketing, so I don't think I'll have a problem on the business and PR side of things. Now I just have to learn how to run a vineyard and start still--but might just hire someone with a UCDavis or Cornell degree and work history in Napa to take the lead in production while I assist in production but run the show. --ColonelHenry (talk) 01:34, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

That sounds quite good. Most of the NJ wineries are dominated by French and Italian wines, so I'd welcome German and Austrian wines. Hard cider would also make your winery different. There are currently no hard cider producers in Jersey. I wouldn't worry too much about marketing or winemaking - that the easy part. There's a school of thought in winemaking that you should do as little as possible to modify the wine. Hard part is the selection and growing of grapes. You need grapes that will survive the North Jersey winter, and someone with farming experience. You may not need a UCDavis or Cornell grad; a local farmer with experience growing fruit might suffice. DavidinNJ (talk) 02:16, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

In recent months, I've fallen in love with the Dornfelder grape, and unlike George Taber, I believe an excellent wine can be made from Marechal Foch. Despite being obsessed with Russian novels, I haven't had the time for them for a year now...all my spare time has been spent reading practically every AgExtension grape and fruit guide I can find, and thing like learning maintenance manuals for mechanical harvesters and John Deere series 5 tractors. --ColonelHenry (talk) 02:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You will be the first Dornfelder grower in the state. This is the first that I heard of it, but it looks like it holds up well to cold weather. The idea that you cannot get good wine from hybrid grapes is pretentious nonsense. A few wineries in the state make Marechal Foch wines. Four Sisters Winery has a good Léon Millot wine, which is similiar to Marechal Foch. Since you are knowledgable about farming, your winery will do well. Most of the wineries that I know of that went out business (e.g., LaFollette, Kings Road, Tamuzza) did so because they made farming mistakes. Good luck, and now I going to finsih reviewing the colonial governors article. DavidinNJ (talk) 03:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Renaissance men request :)

So I saw that you consider yourself to be a renaissance men... I have a request then, if you'd feel like trying your hand in a new task: would you like to do a few B-class reviews for WP:POLAND? We have a backlog at Wikipedia:WikiProject Poland/Reviews. Cheers, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• @Piotrus: I've been a little busy the last few weeks, but if I can find my way over there in my spare time, I will see what I can do & odwiedzę. --ColonelHenry (talk) 16:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Colonial Governors

I am done my review and updates to list of colonial governors of New Jersey. Notify me when you nominate it to be a feature list. DavidinNJ (talk) 04:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

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Dry towns

I got the updated list of dry towns from the state ABC, and their are 35 now. The list is interesting because it states how the town became dry (e.g., referendum, ordinance, or just inaction). I updated alcohol laws of New Jersey and list of dry communities by U.S. state. File:New Jersey Dry Town List.pdf DavidinNJ (talk) 03:01, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

• Perhaps we should consider improving List of dry communities by U.S. state to FL, along with our other projects.--ColonelHenry (talk) 05:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm dealing with list of wineries, breweries, and distilleries in New Jersey first, but I agree that list of dry communities by U.S. state needs to be cleaned up. I really dislike that map at the top which implies that more than half of the counties in Jersey are semi-dry. Basically if one town doesn't sell alcohol, the county is listed as semi-dry. Besides consistency in style between states, there needs to be a better explanation of what a "dry town" is in each state that has them. In a few states such as Mississippi and Alabama, they are strict limitations about transporting liquor in dry areas, and there are native villages in Alaska where alcohol possession and consumption are complately illegal. In many states (not NJ), private clubs can operate in dry towns.

In NJ, a dry town is a town without Class C licenses, esentially no tavern, liquor store, restaurant, or club sales. You can still have wineries in the town (Shiloh, Harriston Township, and South Harrison do), since that's a state-issued license. A person can possess, consume, and transport alcohol without limit in the town. BYOB and social affairs permits vary by town - some dry towns allow them some don't. I was reading about Ocean City tonight, and I didn't realize that although they're famous for banning BYOB, they allow social affairs permits. Essentially, churches and non-profit groups in town can get a permit to sell alcohol. DavidinNJ (talk) 05:26, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Cape May County mailing address insanity

If you think mailing addresses are confusing in Sussex County, Cape May County may be worse. Three wineries (Cape May Winery, Turdo, and Hawk Haven) and one brewery (Cape May Brewery) are in Lower Township in Cape May County. Lower Township has 3 official postal addresses - Erma, North Cape May, and Villas. One part of the Lower Township uses a Wildwood Crest address, even though that's a separate municipality, and a small section uses Rio Grande which is officially part of Middle Township.

Turdo is in North Cape May section of Lower Township - that's easy. I was working on Hawk Haven Vineyard article today, which has a Rio Grande address. If I follow the same format that we have for other articles, it would state that its in the Rio Grande section of Middle Township. Except that the winery is in Lower Township. Cape May Winery and Cape May Brewery are worse. They list their address as Cape May. Cape May is a separate municipality, and there is no official Cape May mailing address for Lower Township. However, I found out that a long time ago, businesses in that area started using "Cape May" addresses for prestige reasons, and the post office allowed this. Cape May Winery is actually in North Cape May - all their neighbors use North Cape May.

Here an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer about the address mess. DavidinNJ (talk) 00:02, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

NJ Wine Infobox

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Rilke

"German Bohemian" does not refer to the state. It refers to the ethnicity. It is the term for those Germans from Bohemia. Rilke is one of those. It has absolutely nothing to do with the German Reich. "Austrian" as an ethnicity did not exist until after the fall of the Empire. Previously, they what we now call Austrians would've referred to themselves as Germans. Regardless, Rilke was a German Bohemian. Bohemia was never part of the German state, which only arose in 1871 anyway. RGloucester (talk) 19:10, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

• Rilke was born in 1875, after the German state was unified (1871), and after 1866 when Bismarck excluded Austria from joining the new German state (Otto didn't like the idea of a multi-ethnic Germany). So from 1866 to the end of WWI, the term "Austrian" is historically accurate and ethnically appropriate for residents of Cisleithania, which included the Bohemia that wasn't calling itself "German" but Austrian until the Anschluss, and especially in the case of Rilke, who (according to himself, and his many biographers and literary scholars) didn't think of himself as "German" in the slightest notion.--ColonelHenry (talk) 20:02, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

REMOVED THIS DISCUSSION TO Talk:Rainer Maria Rilke. Comment there.

Discussion of inclusion of Kyoto Prize in criterion 2

Please participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (academics)‎#Inclusion of Pulitzer Prize for History. Solomon7968 (talk) 11:20, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

• While I appreciate the invitation, I am loathe to get involved in this kind of discussion. Upon first glance, I find it a meritless waste of time, and I don't even really see any decent, clear statement of what the real argument is. It appears to be an exercise in futility, entirely of aimless commentary and ignoratio elenchi comparative appeals. Thanks, but no thanks.--ColonelHenry (talk) 11:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

The debate is which names should be included in criterion 2 as examples. You are free to participate or not participate. Solomon7968 (talk) 11:49, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

NJ Wine

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I took a picture of some of my New Jersey wines. DavidinNJ (talk) 02:52, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

This is an assortment of New Jersey wines. New Jersey's 46 wineries produce wine from over 80 different types of grapes and 25 other types of fruits.

• A.W.E.S.O.M.E! --ColonelHenry (talk) 05:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Duino Elegies

Congratulations on getting another feature article. DavidinNJ (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

New Jersey Beer

I just started writing New Jersey brewery articles. I modified the infobox for breweries which was lacking some information, and I have made the articles similiar to the winery articles that we wrote. Here is a preliminary article for Artisan's Brewery in Toms River. DavidinNJ (talk) 05:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Do you want to write the brewery articles as we did the winery articles. I take the bottom of the list you start at the top, and we meet somewhere in the middle. Just let me know some of the basic facts and I'll churn several of them out over the next day or two.--ColonelHenry (talk) 11:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• I think that's a good plan. The brewery articles seem a bit easier - a lot of the references are the same for all the breweries, and the Bryson Haynie book is very detailed. Here is some info from that book to get started with. DavidinNJ (talk) 13:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Uno Chicago Brewery - opened 1998, brewpub (i.e., restricted brwery license), 650 barrels/yr (2006), mailing address is Metuchen, but actually located in the Menlo Park section of Woodbridge Township. Key person is Mike Sella.

Tun Tavern - opened 1998, brewpub, 550 barrels/yr (2006), Atlantic City. Key people are Monty Dahm, Tim Kelly.

Triumph Brewing - opened 1995, brewpub, 1330 barrels/yr (2006), Princeton. Key people are Adam Rechnitz, Brian Fitting, Tom Stevenson.

NJBIZ published a more up to date list (2009) of the annual number of barrels produced by some of the breweries. One issue that I have had to deal with is frequently-changing beer styles. Unlike wineries that grow the same type grapes for many years, smaller breweries often change the types of beer that they sell. For Artisan's Brewery, I listed their general brewing theme (German/English/American), and an assortment of beer styles that they have produced over time based on different references. DavidinNJ (talk) 00:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I notice a lot of brewpubs doing anniversary batches...Krogh's in Sparta is doing a Russian Imperial Stout with long barrel-aging for an upcoming anniversary. I have a clipping from The New Jersey Herald for our use when we get around to that article. I've been clipping local articles on wineries/breweries/etc.--ColonelHenry (talk) 02:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

A lot also make seasonal brews (e.g., Christmas beers). One thing that I have noticed is that most of the NJ microbreweries and brewpubs were started in the late 1990s, and it is rare for them to fail. I know of 8 or 9 New Jersey wineries that have gone out of business since 1980, whereas only 1 brewery (Port 44 in Newark) has failed in the same time period. By the way, do you know anything about the New Jersey Craft Brewers Guild? I know little of what they do, other than that 21 of the 26 breweries are members. DavidinNJ (talk) 10:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

John Hamilton (18th century politician)

ColonelHenry, I'm really interested in your views on my proposal at Talk:John Hamilton (18th century politician). I'm in the process of correcting a whole bunch of titles and if I'm wrong, I want to know about it. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 04:32, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd appreciate your feedback regarding the above. SchreiberBike (talk) 04:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Upsala College

Interesting and useful changes. Let me know when your changes are done. I'm interested in Upsala because it is one of the 15 or so charters of my Fraternity (Alpha Phi Omega) currently considered to be "Closed" (and in fact is by far the oldest (13th charter). The main thing that looks out of place at this point would be the statement that the school had to close is in the part of the history on the Wirth Campus, which feels a little off to me.Naraht (talk) 16:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

• I just added a few things to the Upsala article only because I was working on two related articles (Sussex County, New Jersey and Harold J. Wirths) and thought the information that was at the Sussex County article would be appropriate to include and then saw fit to quickly reorganize a few things. I might come back to write a little more in the near future but would have to do some research. I admit, my reorganization of the was more of a drive-by and there might be some awkward breaks (bound to happen in articles that aren't fully developed). Feel free to modify/improve it, in the interim. Thank you for your interest. --ColonelHenry (talk) 16:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

• I didn't even know that Upsala ever had a second campus, certainly interesting and I don't think anyone has taken a crack at straightening the article in *quite* some time. Thank you for the additions. I have no idea if anyone has ever taken a closed College/University to GA/FA level.Naraht (talk) 16:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

• One of the many neglected corners of Wikipedia. I wouldn't call it much of a "campus" (a very generous estimation)...classes were held in a barn with only a handful of students. I do agree, a GA/FA project of this sort would be an interesting pursuit.--ColonelHenry (talk) 16:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

• First question is how to gauge any references to www.upsala.org . Eclectic at best.Naraht (talk) 17:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

• A lot of Upsala's records are currently held in Illinois at Augustana College's Swenson Center Archives.--ColonelHenry (talk) 17:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

• Transcripts OTOH, are apparently at Felicia College. Another website is http://www.upsala65.com/ and there is a pretty good history (not just the final years) and formed of referenceable things at http://www.upsala65.com/upsala/ (apparently put together from things at Augustana).Naraht (talk) 17:26, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
• Also, we may need something to actually put the pieces together that the Wirth's location was the location in Sussex County they were looking to move to. (and let me know when we should move this conversation to Talk:Upsala College).Naraht (talk) 17:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

@Naraht - the archival librarian at Augustana pointed me to a group of Upsala alumni on facebook. At that page, there are two .pdf documents, one a talk about the rise and fall of the college, the other a 1971 campus newspaper: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2355638947/files/. I actually spoke with a few of the alumni recently about restarting the school in NW New Jersey. --ColonelHenry (talk) 14:24, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Can't access FB from work. Are the documents at upsala.org or upsala65.com? Would love to see the school restart. Got an email from the Augustana Librarian. At minimum the upsala65.com list of University Presidents may be referencable. (and lots of other stuff too) Naraht (talk) 14:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Little Gidding

You're welcome and it was most kind to say "Thank you"!!! I've added a lot of things on different topics and you are the first response I've every gotten. The library I work part-time at has the actual book, if you want photocopies or scans, please e-mail me at JRGaineycw@gmail.com . Also, I added The Ferrar Papers 1590-1790 in Magdalene College Cambridge Introduction/Finding List by David Ransome (Microfilm Academic Publishers, 181 pdfs) to the Nichoas Ferrar Wikipedia page. Have you seen The Good Old Way Revisited: The Ferrar Family of Little Gidding, c. 1625-1637 by Kate E. Riley? It's a 2007 dissertation from Australia (265 pdfs in length). I downloaded a copy and will gladly share, if you are interested. Also, I updated the dimensions and added their metric equivalents and added a few other tidbits. Please look at the listing of the works on Ferrar and Little Gidding I added to his page. Do you think they should appear on the Little Gidding page as well? Thank you again for your kind words. Joseph R. ("Joey") Gainey, Cowpens, South Carolina, USA

Joey, I'll take a look at the articles in detail later this evening. Thanks for keeping me updated.--ColonelHenry (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Just touching base. I have never gotten a response to my questions. I've added more to the Little Gidding article. Joey

• Sorry about that, I seem to have forgotten and lost track. I'll take a look at it in short order--probably over the weekend.--ColonelHenry (talk) 13:53, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Whatever works best in your opinion is fine with me. I'm the first to admit I don't have a good eye for layout and I think after all the work you've put in on the page, you should have the final say. Also, what do you think of the bibliography on Nicholas Ferrar's page? Joey

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Vital Articles/Expanded: thank you

ColonelHenry, thank you for your participation in the VA/E talk page discussions. We have needed some mature voices, and yours has helped fill that role. I hope you will continue to participate in the add/remove discussions. We need more like you. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

• I'm more than happy to help out.--ColonelHenry (talk) 02:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
• On an aside, VA has way too many celebrities at the expense of topics of substance. Wouldn't it be easier to get a committee to just make expert selections? Like ask a few major contributors to the Poetry wikiproject put together a list top ten works of poetry or major poems and a list of the top ten most important poets, and do that kind of list with other appropriate wikiprojects. Perhaps using the AFI lists for the more important films. --ColonelHenry (talk) 03:06, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

• Experts?? This is Wikipedia. LOL Assembling a committee is in effect what we're doing, but this being Wikipedia, you can't really exclude anyone. I'm doing my best to invite knowledgeable editors who I know and also from various subject area WikiProjects related to the topics under discussion. I start with the assumption that everyone is trainable, and a crazy or two can be overcome. Ironically, "experts" can often be the most difficult with which to deal because they are convinced they're right and the non-experts are wrong. And they may be right, but taking that approach generally pisses off all of the non-experts (of whom there are invariably more).

I got involved with VA/E about ten weeks ago, when I found it by accident after reading an ANI notice. At the time, the Vital Articles project had about three active participants, two of whom were at war with each other and the personality conflict was driving any new participants off. Since then, I have done my best to put out the fires, and bring some organization to the process. It's come a long way in a short period of time. It's still got some way to go, but there's no overt conflict driving anyone away, new editors are beginning to participate, and progress is being made. Most of the current participants are well intended, and there is growing diversity of opinion and background. That's good, but it's still a bit like herding cats.

FYI, most, if not all, of the movies under discussion are listed on the AFI 100 lists. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:43, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

• I came across it in looking through the point system for WP:TFA (an FA included at VA gets an extra four points in determining its scheduling for the main page as "Today's featured article". I can see your point with experts, there's a great line that states that the arguments in academia are bitter because the stakes are so low. ;-). Just in the last few weeks, I've noticed a great reorganization of the project, and it's refreshing to see the efficiency.--ColonelHenry (talk) 00:37, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

• Yeah, I'm not sure whose bright idea it was to award bonus points to FAs that were included on the VA lists, but that policy has had some odd side effects in the VA lists. I've come across several VA list topics that were feature articles, but whose subjects were so obscure that no one could reasonably determine them to be "vital." I suspect the points system has something to do with that; in several instances, it would seem that someone has inserted a FA topic into the VA lists simply to make it more likely to become the FA of the day. Sneaky bunch over at FAR. I generally avoid those kind of wikipolitics; I work on things of interest to me, and I generally don't require a rasher of DYKs, etc., on my talk page to validate my interests and work.

BTW, you have an email in your inbox regarding the other off-wiki topic previously mentioned. Let me know if you want to talk about it over the weekend. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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Colonial Governors

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I read the intro which looks really good. I have one question - is the Monmouth Tract East or West Jersey? I'm assuming it's East Jersey, but the sentence doesn't really say. DavidinNJ (talk) 18:27, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• Monmouth tract is East Jersey. Will amend that.--ColonelHenry (talk) 18:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• I finished reviewing the article - it's very good. I made a handful of minor changes, mostly adding external links, and a few spelling changes. In terms of the Monmouth Tract, I realized afterwards that it does say that it is in East Jersey. My question is what is the Monmouth Tract? There's no external link to the word "Monmouth Tract", and it's only mentioned in the intro, and nowhere else in the article. DavidinNJ (talk) 20:07, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you for creating the article for the Monmouth Tract. The colonial governor's article looks good. Good luck with the feature list review. DavidinNJ (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for taking another look and offering your keen eye for improvements. I will probably nominate it before the weekend, as I've been going through and inserting footnotes for areas that I wrote from my knowledge of the area thinking I'd pass back that way with citations. I'm still checking a few more images of earlier governors (especially Kieft, which I've found four putative images of but can't find any background information). On the other hand, I was surprised that there wasn't an article on the Monmouth Tract--we have articles on practically every other big colonial land grant. Thanks for your well wishes, and I'll keep you updated when I put it up for review.--ColonelHenry (talk) 13:19, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Tienpont

With regard to Adrian Jorisszen Tienpoint, can you please specify on which page in Winsor, Justin (1884), 'Narrative and Critical History of America, Boston: Houghton, Mifflin & Company it describes Tienpoint as the colony's Director of the Hudson River valley settlements while Mey was director to the South River, or Delaware River valley settlements.? Thanks.Djflem (talk) 09:13, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• If you took a closer look at footnote 8, you would see page "398" cited. --ColonelHenry (talk) 04:41, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I saw page 398 the first time I looked, and checked the digital version of the book. Don't see any mention of what you describe in footnote 8. That's why I asked. That's also why I provided a digital link on your talk page. Perhaps you have another version, though Tienpont is not mentioned in the index. Would you be so kind as clarify on which page in the above digital link one can verify the statement you have added to the reference? Thanks Djflem (talk) 19:03, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

• I will check my notes. It has been a busy week (real life situations taking a lot of my time and energy) so it may take a few days.--ColonelHenry (talk) 19:24, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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I regret that our debate over at Prufrock developed such a negative connotation. Please be assured that all I wanted was to improve the article. We might disagree on what actually improves the article, but that should not prevent us from having constructive conversations.

So what I actually wanted to ask is what is it that you don't like about citation templates? Is it the fact they somewhat complicate the article source code? Or do you dislike the citation style they produce? --bender235 (talk) 20:29, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I like having control over the content in the citation, and I don't think the template offers enough control. I think editing around them is a pain-in-the-ass. They're cumbersome. I just don't edit articles that are template-heavy because of it.--ColonelHenry (talk) 20:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you have an example in which a template did not produce the outcome you wanted? --bender235 (talk) 20:39, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Seriously, I have better things do with my time than to justify the way I feel about templates to you. I hate them. PERIOD. Find something more constructive to do with your time instead of making it harder for me to work on the things I want to work on. Instead of contributing to articles today as I planned (I wanted today to finish preparing List of colonial governors of New Jersey for WP:FLC), I've wasted hours bickering with you. MOVE ON. Seriously, stop harassing me and find something better to do with your time.--ColonelHenry (talk) 20:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry I came across as harassing when I was actually just curious whether I could help you with templates. I know from personal experience there are a lot of tricks and tweaks one might not realize at first. Please assume good faith.

By the way, I begin to realize you simply "hate" templates for a reason beyond my grasp, so I won't even try to argue with you on their usefulness, but instead "move on". However, I will not move on with regards to the Prufrock article, because the citation style is still up for debate. It turned out the revert you made (in which CBM supported you) was based on a non-existent guideline. There is no such thing as a veto right to prevent the inclusion of citation templates in an article. So should consensus emerge for the use of citation templates in that article, I will restore them. --bender235 (talk) 21:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I never claimed there was a "veto right"--that was your mistaken interpretation and one of many mistaken interpretations you have posited. However, it is courtesy to show up at an article you've done no previous work on before and contact other editors who do work on the article before doing what you did, or doing anything drastic. Courtesy. You shouldn't just show up and presume you should interfere with an article's regular contributors just because you decided to show up. That's what consensus is for. You chose not to do that first. You only did it after reverting. Bad form. The fact that I, a major recent contributor to the article objected and reverted, is within my right per WP:CITEVAR. You put the cart before the horse, likely not knowing of CITEVAR, and for that I understand. But you insisted and insisted and insisted-and you still insist. That makes any attempt an apology from you meaningless. I cannot assume good faith under those circumstances. If you continue to harass me, if you continue to disrupt to prove your point, I will ask any of several administrators I do work with on a regular basis to have you blocked from editing the article, or perhaps blocked from editing for a time. Do not contact me again. If you do, it will be reported as harassment.--ColonelHenry (talk) 12:22, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Are you going to answer User:PBS's question at WT:CITE any time soon, about why your introduction of citation template {{rp}} is different from my introduction of {{cite book}}? I'm curious, too, to hear that answer. --bender235 (talk) 08:16, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I was unaware of PBS's question, and quite frankly, do not care anymore. I've moved on. using rp for page numbers on repeated cites is not changing the entire non-template scheme to a template scheme. Any comparison of your actions and my use of the rp template for two or three cites which remained non-template except for the rp/page number is a false analogy. There's no sense in continuing to beat a dead horse...please learn that. It's apparent you haven't--and the result is you're keeping me from contributing by drawing me into this pointless argumentative discourse instead of moving on as I have asked both politely and then forcefully. Do not contact me again. If you do, it will be reported as harassment. --ColonelHenry (talk) 12:22, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

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