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The Drmies chronicles

The Doctor on Star Trek: Voyager and somebody on the Stargate franchise?

...but I was on the other line, a couple of 'em. You're unblocked now, I saw a few days ago; good. I'm sorry you were blocked in the first place. Much discussion has passed me by in the last few weeks since it's been a busy time. In other news, baby Liam can stand for ten Mississippis, and he enjoyed being in the sea this past weekend. All the best Kiefer. Drmies (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Drmies!

Ours has been sliding sideways along sofas, beds, and tables---perhaps under the influence of too many action movies like The Matrix. We are watching to prevent her trying the ledge outside. :)

There's also been babbling, biting, the usual yellow little shits, crying when up past the bedtime. I forget whether I'm writing of my baby or of contemporary WP. ;)

April is the cruellest month, but May is the fool'est month. This exchange at DB's may interest you, particularly the risk of dislocating a shoulder by patting oneself on the back. (N.B. the quote from Dwight MacDonald, whose book is highly amusing. He has Sir Thopas and Skeat's parody of Chaucer.)

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

My shoulder is completely fucked and will require surgery. It's not from patting on the back: I blame the dog, years ago, who used to pull on the leash, and a summer's worth of vacuuming the green pool every day (pictures somewhere in my talk page archive). Thanks Kiefer, Drmies (talk) 17:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Repetitive motion stress disorders concern many editors.

I have ... a friend ... with a similar problem, called by the Greeks malakos, I think.

The patting on the back was weird because you were involved with the resolution of the userbox problem, by discussion rather than ... baiting. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:56, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Drmies?

Actually, I love your pictures, especially your "man boobs" (as my niece calls them) or "chiselled pects worthy of Adonis"---much more natural than those of that Simon fellow destroying music.

I loved your work as the Doctor on Star Trek:Voyager, really a multicultural model community; you are likely to be pegged for "diversity committee" purgatory the rest of your days, even without your gender-bending interests. Then also your work on the Stargate franchise. And your appearance on season one of Justified (as the Hitler-painting hunter).

It took a while before I really recognized you, because you often use a toupee in other roles. I loved your "I will not enable you!" line in Sopranos, and of course I understand now why you were able also to pursue graduate work in literature. Being squeamish and delicate, I avoided watch your recent film, where you gnawed your arm off---to get out of that landslide. But, such devotion to your part! No wonder that your shoulder aches! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC) 11:52, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. What I enjoy most is when my wife and I watch me on the Colbert Report. As for your "friend", it's my left arm. Drmies (talk) 03:33, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

In place of a taser or chains

• Perhaps you need to construct one of these devices. [1] (if that doesn't trigger a paternal response, nothing will) Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 18:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Ha! I think that every parent has considered that option. :) Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Art for Art's sake

The Physical Impossibility of Phil Manzanera Playing in the Mind of Someone Listening? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

That was an interesting article. The more I read about the commercialism and gutter Maoism of contemporary art, the more I am repelled. Today, one hopes that an artist would photoshop a shark rather than kill one for a monstrous artwork. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, in the "olden days" sculptors would be expected to actually sculpt the animal they wished to depict. I guess a modern equivalent might be to produce a hologram, although I suspect a dead specimen might still be required for that. I find Hirst's work superficially interesting, but ultimately derivative and unsatisfying. That particular work, like his monstrous cow and calf, were inspired by the large work of real sculptor Henry Moore parts of which one can walk between. I even prefer Banksy to Hirst... and I don't even work for a local authority cleaning contractor... Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

((Talk page stalker stalker)) If artists are supposed to reflect the age they live in, then we fully deserve the ironic superficiality provided by that money-grubbing billionaire Hirst. I do have some respect for the guy though, as he prevented a drunken Keith Allen from decking me once. -- Anthony Blunt

I neglected to applaud your TPS S link. Oh, the pain of George Smiley and his artist wife. I shall have to re-read The Spy Who Came In From The Cold, with Messrs. Bowie, Eno, and Fripp providing prefigurative pathos. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Heh heh. It's all Evanses fault. I recommend A Perfect Spy, a semi-autobiographical tour de france from le Carre. -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 20:09, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Your Grace. I have to read more Gaiman, Stephenson, Elmore Leonard, Zelazny, and Martin before returning to le Carre's cheerful tales of buggers, testicle crunching and being machine gunned. I did learn the name of frisea from The Night Manager, which may be the anti-particle to the hateful petulie. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Have to admit the last sentence left me floundering. Perhaps a bogon meats cluon annihilation situation? Zelazny I find impenetrable hippy nonsense, much better are the early Red Dwarf books, the more sci-fi I read, the more I think "you cheeky buggers you've ripped that off from x" -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 20:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Remember this? -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 21:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Frisea (perhaps misspelled) is a flower used in fragrances. Petulie is the noxious hippie scent, even worse than the Axe body spray that has been documented in at least one case of a teacher being hospitalized from anaphylactic shock.

You should read the Amber series, which has a riff on the Three Stooges's "slowly he turned, step by step", etc. "This Immortal" is good, but his best is likely "Lord of Light", from which the first paragraph

His followers called him Mahasamatman and said he was a god. He preferred to drop the Maha- and the -atman, however, and called himself Sam. He never claimed to be a god, but then he never claimed not to be a god.

rivals the first paragraph of David Lodge's Small World according to horselaughometry. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Couldn't get on with Lord of Light, just dug my spider-covered copy off the shelf, that opening sentence reads like something out of Spinal Tap! I did chuckle, not sure if it was a horse laugh though. -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 21:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, right, my mistake. Was looking above that para, at this bit from the Dhammapada:

It is said that fifty-three years after his liberation he returned from the Golden Cloud, to take up once again the gauntlet of Heaven, to oppose the Order of Life and the gods who ordained it so.

Gorseinon's finest!!? .. watch out for that Rinka tatoo ....liberal dog-lover

"Rinka tatoo".... Isn't that from the goodnight song by The Schnoz? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

No, it Inka Dinka Don't! lol Martinevans123 (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

"If you are wise you'll listen to me" Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Future RfAs

"There's also been babbling, biting, the usual yellow little shits, crying when up past the bedtime." - so when's her RFA then? ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Unless the family converts to Buddhism or Quakerism, our daughter will be unlikely to develop the Cavalier charms predictive of success at RfAs. She probably will be lucky to get most of her smarts from her mother, and that would be an even bigger handicap! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hehe :-) Do enjoy these days, tough though they may be at times - my wife's getting into it all over again with grandmother duties now, and loving every minute. Very best -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:50, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

As I mentioned previously, my little Angel is almost 10 now - I'm going to have to prep her for RFA before she gets just too old, I think. Like you, though, I worry she may be too smart. Nice to see you back amongst the undeadbanned. Begoon ^talk 13:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

After an hour of screaming, I have sometimes considered that it would be easier to be a grandparent! My grandparent friends always look well rested and happy. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Foundation, 2nd foundation, and empire

Gotta ask, how does Asimov feature on Wikipediocracy? Darkness Shines (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Frankly, the edit-description "The Foundation was not mentioned" was too dull for me. :)

Wikipedia's mission (Pillars I-IV) is similar to the First Foundation. The Blocking Heads are similar to the Mule, although without his Adonis-like physique and sparkling personality. Perhaps Wikipediocracy can reflect hopes for a Second Foundation?  :)

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I thank you, first time today I have laughed, and you did that in it a very good way, I must agree of course on those blocking being like the mule, I believe Maunus mentioned it recently on ANI. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Maunus is honest, and hence doomed. I forget whether I have been blocked for using "unctuous", or whether I edited it away before pressing "save". I did use "those of who were not raised from birth to be catamites" when I was young and full of fire. "Catamite" is a better phrase than "eunuch", by half imho. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I disagree with the blocking. Maunus was behaving correctly. He removed his personal attack, showing understanding, before he was blocked. It would have been superfluous to warn him, even, given his having fixed the PA. People at ANI must decide whether WP is in the business of writing an encyclopedia or whether we are hosting Barnie's Friends. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I think that decision was made some time ago. Intothatdarkness 20:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

David Russell

See 2:35 [2], this guy is one of the most beautiful sounding guitarists ever, in my top 5 list of greatest guitarists.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC).

Yes, he is wonderful. Here's a guy I discovered about 2 years ago. He has some lovely stuff. And he's really into bat boxes!! [3] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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Yo Kenard, you tell it like it be

I was not raised to be a coward or equivocator. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

The same could be said about Volunteer Marek :) Some words of wisdom Hillbillyholiday ^talk 09:47, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Please do not abuse edit summaries in this fashion. That goes for AutomaticStrikeout as well. Thanks. — Scott • talk 22:41, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Your "do not" goes first to AS, who has acknowledged (thank you) his error. AS had left an edit summary suggesting that ... (appropriate caveats and wishy-washy phrases) ... I had inserted a pro-drugs image. How would you have corrected that error, which jeopardizes my security clearance and future employment as a Max von Sydow 3 Days of the Condor Swedish doer of dirty deeds..., e.g., on behalf of the Greek government? How would you? Seriously.... Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipediocracy

I've lost track of how many reverts you have made to this article in the past 24 hours, not to mention WP:OWNership issues. This needs to stop. Now. Otherwise you will probably find yourself at AN/EW. - MrX 14:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Take it to ANI if you want. My quality and NPOV edits speak for themselves, as has my record of seeking consensus on the talk page. Please review WP:Ownership, which you seem to misunderstand. You also need to review WP:Lede, given your moving the (reasonable) primary-source backed information about ownership from the bottom to the Lede.Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:00, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrX (talk • contribs) 18:57, 25 May 2013

You failed to mention that others had previously criticized Demiurge1000's POV-pushing tendentious edits, and that you just "apologized" for your bad edit(s). You also failed to mention that others had reviewed my edits and thought they were fine. Do you make a habit of such "apologies"? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Now, now, you have to admit at least that you were using your "prowess" to act as a gatekeeper. That, in any case, is hard to forgive...— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand your comment. I write articles based on reliable sources. On anything controversial or where I'm not an expert, I give in line citations; in statistics, I mention a reference with a good treatment of the material that I read perhaps years ago.

For the Wikipediocracy article, I just copy-edited and tried to make the article interesting, using sources already cited. I discussed things with one fellow, and met him more than half way. I found a better image than the one in the published article. Some rhetorical questions:

• Where has the talk page failed to support me?
• Where have I disallowed a reasonable edit?

And I get dragged off to WP:AN/EW by somebody who would rather spend time referencing a one-sided complaint, as Bbb23 and Drmies pointed out, than improve the article (by e.g. finding a better image). Alas, similar editors (often administrator nominees) are common these days. (C.f. NewYorkBrad's comment on editing....) Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, it was meant to be a joke, since I found the accusation against you of using "prowess" to be surreal. Of course one uses one's prowess. Is one to hide one's light under a bushel? I just couldn't believe that a report was made against an editor for using prowess while editing. Sorry if my joke was unclear. You're doing fabulous work, prowess and all!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 13:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, no problem. :) The frequent accusation that I am writing with a point (linked to WP:Point) rivals the "prowess" accusation's self-parodic absurdity. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:40, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

LOL -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 14:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Trots are much more likely to comply with their prescribed treatments and less likely to rant than some editors here. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:40, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, we knew it for a fact. Pravda said it; we all read it, before the Stalin-Hitler Pact -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 15:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Apologies

Kiefer, I want to apologize if I have added more heat than light to the editing flurry at Wikipediocracy. At least two respected admins disagreed with my AN/EW report, which suggests that my judgement was flawed. It was not my intention to create more drama. I hope that we can move past this without any hard feelings. Best wishes - MrX 19:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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SignBot is a fascist. Let the Butlerian Jihad begin! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:21, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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Cornel West Democracy Cafe Thing

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Please read this: http://www.thedp.com/article/2012/11/cornel-west-lectures-on-socrates-democracy-and-social-responsibility — Preceding unsigned comment added by IsoMorpheus (talk • contribs) 04:30, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! That was an interesting article. However, student newspapers need not be reliable sources, and in general they are of low quality and useless for due-weight considerations.

Moreover, that article has no mention of the Socratic Cafe, so it does not even establish a link. Today the page has a link to an earlier article in the student newspaper that mentions that West should come and give a "one time" cafe, which is utterly trivial. West probably has given pats on the back to thousands of such programs, and we cannot mention them all; there's no reason to mention your favorite Socratic cafe unless you have a reliable source stating that it is an important project of West's. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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Student newspaper

What's the reliable source that says the U-Penn student newspaper is an unreliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IsoMorpheus (talk • contribs) 23:58, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Here's an idea: take it to the reliable source noticeboard if you actually think it's "reliable" - see how well that goes over (✉→BWilkins←✎) 00:11, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 06:56, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey

Hey, I thought I'd drop by and say I'm sorry I was a jerk to you before, you are an asset to wikipedia, good luck, IRWolfie- (talk) 01:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, very much.

I appreciate your comment, particularly since we seem to disagree on small matters.

You are doing The Lord's Work against the walking intellectually dead. I gave up on trying to defend statistics, etc., from the students of "research methods in psychology 201", and I marvel at your fortitude in discussing science with Feyerabend quoters. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:01, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

AN discussion

I have started a discussion about you and some others at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Interaction ban proposed. Fram (talk) 13:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate your equitable suggestion, which should reduce argy pargy particularly at RfAs. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:44, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• KW, I would support the interaction ban, but I believe that it would do little good if either of you have retain fora to carry on commenting on the other. Would you be amenable to not commenting on Demiurge off wiki either? Worm^TT(talk) 13:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

  I am glad that you support an interaction ban. I share your concern about any misuse of Wikipedia's IRC. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:10, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

  My thoughts were not so much regarding IRC, though I had intended to mention it as a concern as part of my support. I'll ask one more time - Should an interaction ban be passed, would you be amenable to not commenting on Demiurge off wiki either? Worm^TT(talk) 14:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

  Check your email, please. One concern needs addressing. If that is addressed, then there is not a problem. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:15, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked you indefinitely for [4]. That edit (and the edit summary) is far out of the bounds of acceptability. I will be posting on the noticeboard thread in a minute about this block. Horologium (talk) 20:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

You have no idea what you're talking about. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Read what I wrote. I accused nobody of being sexually used by DU1000---certainly not WTT. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Comprehension seems low today, Kiefer. I, for one, understood what you meant. Intothatdarkness 21:19, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• "Is he behaving appropriately towards these boys and young men?" How did you expect that to be interpreted? AutomaticStrikeout  ?  21:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

  When read in the full context of what was going on there, I take it to be a question as to whether an experienced user should be encouraging new users to fight his battles for him. But people will read what they wish into things. That's always (IMO) been one of KW's written weaknesses. His style is opaque at times and easy to misunderstand or twist. Intothatdarkness 21:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

  So substitute "young people" if it makes you happy, and strike the offending phrase. Please focus on the issue, which is recruiting pawns. Should he have been advising Luke to pursue an RfC targetting me? Should he have been egging on gwickwire? etc. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)