User talk:Novacatz

Archive 1 - From 18 Nov 2005 to 19 Dec 2005.

Re: Esperanza

Oh, :P. I didn't resign from Esperanza, I only resigned from the Advisory Council. I didn't think it was fair for me (who has been so inactive lately) to hold an office I wasn't living up to. Acetic Acid 06:59, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

User_talk:Benon

oops sorry, was looking at the irc vandal bot and clicked the wrong one very sorry (Benon 17:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC))

Talk:Kung hei fat choi

Hey novacatz. I too have been getting frustrated at how the discussion there has degenerated into Huaiwei throwing nonsensical arguments around. He really ticked me off with his claims of "provincial pride"; I let that pass because he should be able to claim sources of bias in Wikipedia articles, even though I felt that it was more like him having a mainlander rant. Then he dug into the personal attacks; I've seen many attacks before and I usually ignore them, but in this case, it was affecting our ability to have a proper conversation, because Huaiwei's participation was far from constructive.

So, really, I don't think you're too sensitive, and you're most certainly not out of line, and I think you've been doing a really good job at trying to reign in the convo :) Usually, we would be able to reason some sense into the other party, and it's always good to give it our best shot, but seeing that has failed, the only way forward now, (unfortunately) is to bring external parties in, through Wikipedia:Request for comment. That should solve it, and I hope we don't have to go down further the road towards the WP:ArbCom.

It's funny how they claim that it's a dicdef when I clearly see a page on Merry Christmas! I'll revert the Kung hei fat choi page to what it was, and start up a request for comment discussion later today (I'll try and get these done after my lunch break, unless you want to have a go at these yourself). Happy editing, and speaking of Christmas, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. enochlau (talk) 22:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Sure let's do the RfC together, I'll look over the RfC policy stuff and mull over what we could write... later today though, I'm at work atm :) enochlau (talk) 04:59, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeh, you're probably right :) I probably shouldn't spend any more time on that talk page; it really is pointless. But I'll browse around and see if, God forbid, he's actually right. Perhaps we could both start jotting notes for any future RfC on a subpage of our respective user pages; that'll get our thoughts together. Speaking of an RfC, do you think we should start that some time soon, or should we lay it for a few days? It's just that I'll be away to Hong Kong from 28/12 to 3/1, so I won't be able to comment then. enochlau (talk) 10:20, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Interesting: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Instantnood_2#Enforcement. Both SmuckyTheCat and Huaiwei are on probation on China-related articles. So, for the sake of this particular article, there's probably not a need to take to RfC; I'll just tell them to bugger off :) enochlau (talk) 23:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

You may wish to comment at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Huaiwei_and_User:SchmuckyTheCat_violating_probation_order. enochlau (talk) 23:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I must say the word "troll" has popped into my mind more than once recently, although I really do hope that he's not just trolling otherwise this is just a complete waste of time; a good outcome would be to re-educate this dude, however unlikely. I was actually quite surprised he didn't know I was an admin; the first thing I usually do when I disagree with someone is read their user page. But thanks again. :) enochlau (talk) 04:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

No, your email didn't arrive. You aren't the first though, hotmail doesn't seem to like emails sent from WP. I've changed my email in prefs to something else now, could you try again now? Thanks. enochlau (talk) 04:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

You may also like to try another option for contacting me as listed here. Sorry about the mess. enochlau (talk) 04:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm reading the RfC right now. Thanks for the effort you've put in. enochlau (talk) 10:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Since this is a user conduct RfC, the only outcome would be words of advice for Huaiwei. If we still want to move the article back to Kung hei fat choi, then we might need to file an article RfC as well? Let me know if you think that's necessary :) enochlau (talk) 10:56, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the effort Novacatz. I'm afraid I cannot follow closely with what's going on, but do keep me informed, and I'm most happy to help as long as time allows. :-) — Instantnood 19:22, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

A poll! Talk:Chinese_New_Years_greetings/Poll. enochlau (talk) 22:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

They seem to be attacking your examples left right and centre. Do you think it would help the case if we removed those and relied solely on the further examples I've given (which have been quoted so as to focus on the objectionable parts)? I dont want to stomp over your work, so I would ask you to do it yourself... enochlau (talk) 22:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

RE: Huaiwei RfC

Yes, at someone else's expense. Doesn't sound like good faith to me. Wanna have a light-hearted moment? Fine, but don't be facetious and claim it's also "good faith". -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 00:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it's not. Please refer to Wikipedia:Assume good faith to understand what assuming good faith is. The self-revert that he did is not even remotely connected to "good faith". It'd have been a lot better if you didn't mention it at all. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 00:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

That'd be good. Sorry if I came out a little gruffy. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 00:33, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

It'd be better if you made additional comments in another section. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 00:34, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Huaiwei again

Huaiwei and Alanmak is trying to fragmentise Hong Kong Special Administrative Region into Hong Kong Special Administrative Region. Would it be nice to break PRC into People's Republic of China in other sense?! -- Jerry Crimson Mann 13:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)