Talk:Nevill Drury

Notability

Questioning this author's notability is ridiculous. He is the best known and best selling author on shamanism after Michael Harner and Carlos Castaneda; perhaps over Harner at this point. Has Pigman done a google search on him? Has he looked at the long list of books published by major publishers? Rosencomet (talk) 22:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so all you need to do is provide more evidence of that in the article (See the link in the notability template)--Bsnowball (talk) 07:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

• I'm new to editing, but I've had some coaching so I hope I'm doing this right. I started here because I can't even believe anyone is questioning Nevill Drury's notability. I've been reading his books for many years, and I'm very much into shamanism, and I know of no author quoted more often in the field, from R. J. Stewart to Terence McKenna. I tried to find more bios on him, but his books are so prevalent that the first 200 hits were about them rather than him, except for publisher's bios that added little additional data. I just don't understand why the data already in this article would be insufficient to ANYONE to establish notability. There are over fifty books listed in the bibliography (though a few may be re-issues of books already listed under a prior name), and he's been a prominent author in his field at least since the seventies, when he co-wrote Search for Abraxas with Colin Wilson, and Path of the Chameleon. (The first book of his that really grabbed me was Don Juan, Mescalito & Modern Magic, the first analysis of the Castenada books I know of, which separated the more valuable material from the novelization and applied it to the existing body of old and new knowledge of shamanism, and to the emerging shamanic currents in the culture of the psychedelic movement.) JuliusAaron (talk) 04:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the notability tag for the moment but I'd like to reiterate what Bsnowball said: As the article stands now, there is little in the way of good verifiable sources showing his notability beyond some interviews with ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corp, I believe). Please look carefully at Wikipedia:Notability (people), particularly the sections on basic criteria and for authors. Rosencomet, unless you can find sources for "He is the best known and best selling author on shamanism after Michael Harner and Carlos Castaneda", this is, at best, WP:OR. While the number of books published is an indication of notability, it is not by any means definitive. A Google News search on him turned up some stories and reviews but remarkably little of substance. Cheers, Pigman☿ 17:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Sigh. I am SO sick of you saying that something I said on a TALK page needs to be sourced not to be original research or whatever else you come up with. If and when I try to put such a comment in the article, you can make such claims. Until then, stop it. You know better.

And by what stretch of the imagination can over forty books published by notable presses (some as major as Carroll & Graf, Simon & Schuster, and Harper & Row) NOT be definitive proof of notability for an author? Can you name ANY more notable authors in the field of Shamanism? Any more prolific authors on Australian art?

You are in the middle of a spree of nominations for deletion of articles I've written, and it has nothing to do with notability in my opinion. It has everything to do with your treatment of me, which has been consistently poor, at least bordering on stalking and harassment. Nor has it anything to do with Starwood or spam; Sally Morningstar, Chas S. Clifton, Nevill Drury, Pamela J. Ball, Morwyn and Vivianne Crowley are all authors who have never been to Starwood or WinterStar, nor do their articles have links to anything related to ACE. Rosencomet (talk) 19:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)