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Count of DYK Hooks
Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
September 27	1
September 28	1
October 3	1	1
October 5	1	1
October 7	1	1
October 8	1
October 9	1
October 13	4	1
October 15	4	1
October 16	2	1
October 17	1
October 18	5	2
October 19	4	2
October 20	2
October 22	3
October 23	3	2
October 24	3	2
October 25	2	1
October 27	1
October 28	3
October 30	5	3
October 31	7	3
November 1	7	5
November 2	8	6
November 3	10	6
November 4	7	4
November 5	8	5
November 6	3	2
November 7	8	5
November 8	7	3
November 9	6	4
November 10	8	4
November 11	7	6
November 12	4	2
November 13	6	1
November 14	7	4
November 15	12	8
November 16	6	4
November 17	6	3
November 18	15	12
November 19	13	6
November 20	10	9
November 21	7	1
November 22	5
November 23	2
November 24	3
November 25	3
November 26	4
November 27	5
November 28	1
November 29	4
November 30	3
December 1	6
December 2	6
December 3	2
Total	265	121
Last updated 22:24, 3 December 2024 UTC Current time is 22:24, 3 December 2024 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators

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Frequently asked questions

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Instructions for reviewers

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

• Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
• Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
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Advanced procedures

How to promote an accepted hook

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area

See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for details on verifying a hook's acceptability. Promoters should not promote their own nomination or their own review. When promoting hooks intended for a particular date, keep in mind that when the number of available approved nominations exceeds 120 we switch to two sets per day, and when that number drops below 60 we return to one set per day. Check list for nomination review completeness Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: . Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed. Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated). Hook should make sense grammatically. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set. Steps to add a hook to prep In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote. In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to. Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :) For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue. Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot. Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end. Check that there's a bold link to the article. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom Check your work in the prep's Preview mode. At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake. Save the Prep page. Closing the DYK nomination page At the upper left Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage Change |passed= to |passed=yes At the bottom Just above the line containing }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.--> insert a new, separate line containing one of the following: To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]] To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]] To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]] To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]] To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]] To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]] To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]] Also paste the same thing into the edit summary. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom. Save. For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

• To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
• To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
• To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
• To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
• To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
• To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
• To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook

• Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
• In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

• Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
• Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
  • View the edit history for that page
  • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
  • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
• Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
• If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

• Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on September 15

• Well, if no one else is going to....

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - Hook does not seem to be supported by source. Ong had not seen Les Mis before auditioning, but was told to go home and watch the film, audition again, and then she was offered the role.
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Needs a new hook. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 20:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• How about:

ALT1 ... that Nathania Ong had not seen Les Misérables before auditioning for the role of Éponine? (will need to be reflected in the article)

ALT2 ... that Singaporean theatre actress Nathania Ong's father was an acapella singer and a dentist? (might not meet WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE, but I'm not really seeing much else in the article that's usable)

ALT3 ... that Nathania Ong led the singing of Singapore's national anthem during the closing ceremony of the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics?

Not sure if any of these are usable, however. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Kingoflettuce and Darth Stabro: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT1 sounds good to me, have amended. Thanks! KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 03:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT1 approved! ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 14:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 18

The United States of America (album)

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• ... that Columbia Records wanted to change a song title on the 1968 album The United States of America by the band of the same name, because it referenced the then recently deceased Che Guevara?

• Source: https://reader.exacteditions.com/issues/109948/page/34

• ALT1: ... that the title of the 1968 album The United States of America was intended to be a political statement akin to "hanging the flag upside down"?

• Source: http://www.terrascope.co.uk/MyBackPages/United%20States%20of%20America.pdf

• • Reviewed:
  • Comment: Had to find an alternate source that I could easily link to as the article uses a book source

Improved to Good Article status by Iostn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Iostn (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review, but ALT2: ... that the United States of America falls short of being really satisfying? would make an excellent April Fools' hook.--Launchballer 22:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

It would be brilliant. But add the italics and the quotation marks and it should work reasonably well on any day. Surtsicna (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• The article was promoted to GA status 5 days before the DYK nomination. It is, unsurprisingly, also long enough and it meets the sourcing, neutrality, and copyright requirements. The hooks proposed by Iostn are fine, but there is a clear potential for something much grander. See Launchballer's suggestion. We rarely get such gems in the rough, Iostn, but let me know if you cannot bother and I will approve your original hook. Surtsicna (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Surtsicna, I think I'm going to hang on with this nom and wait for the April Fools' proposal, if possible Iostn (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Iostn: While quirky, I do not think this hook fits the spirit of the type of hooks used in the April Fools DYK set. Z1720 (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

It could in theory work as a regular quirky hook rather than an AFD hook, although the decision about that could be left to a promoter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

There's a few other quotes that could be used instead, such as 'met a "mixed reception"' or something from 'wasn't half bad. Some of it was embarrassing but some of it really stood up over time'.--Launchballer 10:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

What is the status of this nomination?--Launchballer 17:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Iostn, Surtsicna, Z1720, and Narutolovehinata5: As this is a day away from time out and is taking up room at T:TDYK, I am approving ALT1 ("Guevara" isn't in the article). Any promoter at Approved is free to approve either ALT2 or move any of the following April Fools' hooks into WP:DYKAPRIL for approval:

ALT3: ... that the United States of America met a mixed reception?

ALT4: ... that the United States of America wasn't half bad?

ALT5: ... that some of the United States of America was embarrassing?

ALT6: ... that some of the United States of America really stood up over time?--Launchballer 14:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

May I suggest:

ALT7: ... people thought the United States of America "snooty, loud and obnoxious"? Iostn (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

That hook appears to apply to the band rather than the album, otherwise good idea.--Launchballer 13:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

 Note: moved to WP:DYKAPRIL. ALTs 2&3 approved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 27

Phoebe Plummer

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• Phoebe Plummer
• Anna Holland
• Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest
• Christopher Hehir

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• ... that during Phoebe Plummer's May 2024 jury trial over a climate protest, the court finished early on several days due to the heat? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/15/uk-climate-activists-convicted-in-first-trial-of-new-anti-protest-laws
  • ALT1: ... that an October 2022 protest involving Just Stop Oil member Phoebe Plummer inspired many activists worldwide to throw food at paintings? Source: https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/11/17/just-stop-oil-phoebe-plummer-prison/
  • ALT2: ... that when Phoebe Plummer and Anna Holland faced trial over the Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest, they were "unfortunate" to draw Christopher Hehir as judge? Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/30/just-stop-oil-soup-throwing-protests-moral-toddlerhood/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zero-emission zone in Oxford, Template:Did you know nominations/CyberJoly Drim, Template:Did you know nominations/Ajah Pritchard-Lolo, Template:Did you know nominations/Alison Creagh
  • Comment: Plummer was created 27 September, though I did a 5x expansion on 2 October, added Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest three days later, added Christopher Hehir two days after that, and added Holland on 5 November.

Created by Launchballer (talk) and Folkezoft (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 253 past nominations.

Launchballer 03:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Ooh, a quadruple hook. All of the articles are new enough, long enough, and well cited. There are a few places where phrasing could be a bit more neutral (I feel like inspired would be better than empowered, for example), but those may also be stylstic considerations. Earwig isn't happy, but it's the large block quote that speaks to Plummer's inspiration in that instance. Ideally Hehir's article would have a bit more on his early life, but if the sources aren't talking about it, rather difficult. (Minor quibble: the source says "unfortunately" rather than "unfortunate", but I think it works here).  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

This has been sitting near the top of Approved for over a week. What else do I have to do to get this promoted? (For the record, I believe "unfortunately" --> "unfortunate" is covered by MOS:SIC.)--Launchballer 02:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Not entirely sure that Holland in particular meets the independent notability standards of WP:CRIMINAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

She's a lot more borderline than Plummer, I'll admit that. From memory, there's significant coverage of her role in Politico at least and this Prospect piece was what clinched it for me, but I will of course take another look later.--Launchballer 16:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Since we are dealing with a BLP, I think we should veer on the side of safety as described in WP:CRIMINAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I've had another look and I believe Holland meets WP:CRIMINAL#unusual crime.--Launchballer 00:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I'll wait for another promoter's opinion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: This nomination is over two months old. I still believe Holland meets WP:CRIMINAL, but is it worth posting at WT:DYK (though arguably this'll get another review when it's queued anyway)?--Launchballer 14:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Sure, why not? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Posted there.--Launchballer 03:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I have started an AfD. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Nomination must go on hold until the AfD finishes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 28

Old City of Gaza, Old City of Nablus

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• Old City of Gaza
• Old City of Nablus

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Church of Saint Porphyrius and the Katib al-Wilaya Mosque

• ... that both the Old City of Gaza (pictured) and the Old City of Nablus have been repeatedly damaged by Israeli invasion and bombardment?

• Source: Awad, Jihad (2017-01-15). "Conserving the Palestinian Architectural Heritage". International Journal of Heritage Architecture: Studies, Repairs and Maintenance. 1 (3): 454. doi:10.2495/ha-v1-n3-451-460. ISSN 2058-833X. The old city of Nablus has suffered, probably more than any other Palestinian city, from the massive invasion by Israeli forces during the second uprising which started in 2000. Many restoration projects were previously completed by the municipality but unfortunately destroyed by the Israeli bombing of the old city. Many buildings were heavily damaged by Israeli rockets during April 2002. A project was carried out by UNDP and funded by the Japanese government to rebuild the houses. Then in December of 2003, many houses were again damaged during Israeli military activity. This kept recurring: buildings were repaired and then damaged.
  Mraffko, Clothilde; Forey, Samuel (2024-02-14). "Israeli bombs are wiping out Gaza's heritage and history". Le Monde.fr. Retrieved 2024-09-29. Whether the Israelis act intentionally or not, "the result is effectively the erasure of a heritage and a history. Symbolically, this is important because this is one of the ways in which people are attached to their territory," warned Benoît Tadié, former cultural adviser to the French consulate general in Jerusalem between 2009 and 2013. He takes as an example the Old City of Gaza, which, like much of the north of the enclave, is now a vast field of ruins. "It wasn't just a site, it was also the heart of today's city. The hammam and the Pacha's Palace were extremely popular places. The museum also served as a place of education for schoolchildren," explained Tadié.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abdul Ahad Azad and Template:Did you know nominations/Sun Jianai

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 80 past nominations.

Onceinawhile (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC).

• @Onceinawhile: Not a review, but there are massive amounts of unsourced content in both articles and "International Journal of Heritage Architecture: Studies, Repairs and Maintence" is coming up as deprecated/predatory on WP:UPSD. What makes it reliable?--Launchballer 22:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Launchballer. All the sources are in the bibliography - let me add in-line citations throughout where they have been missed. I will confirm when done.

On the Jihad Awad source, I am confident that it is reliable - Professor Awad is full professor of architecture, currently head of architecture department at Ajman University, and this paper (a conference submission) is cited in his official University biography page. He subsequently published an article covering a similar topic here. The statement is not difficult to source elsewhere if needed. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Fine by me. Full review needed.--Launchballer 03:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

WIT Press conferences are scams. That source must absolutely be replaced. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Onceinawhile: Please address the above.--Launchballer 00:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have removed the source referred to above and replaced it with this: Abujidi, Nurhan; Verschure, Han (2006-07-01). "Military Occupation as Urbicide by Construction and Destruction: The Case of Nablus, Palestine". The Arab World Geographer. 9 (2). Allen Press: 206. ISSN 1480-6800. Given the large number of frequent Israeli army invasions of the Old Town, the so called Operation Defensive Shield in April 2002 is considered the heaviest single operation. It caused damage to 47.5% of the housing blocks that structure the Old Town's urban fabric… During other invasions, a shift in the mechanism and location of destruction is evident. Highly focused, limited-scale demolitions targeting specific sections of the city were identified. The size and scale of destruction are not always determined by the type of invasion. For example, the scale of destruction resulting from the overnight incursion of January 2005 was larger than that of the short-term invasion of January 2004, which lasted 10 days. Moreover, a repeated rhythm in invading and destroying the same buildings during the several invasions was registered over the past four years, with each invasion accompanied by destruction, looting, and vandalism.

Onceinawhile (talk) 23:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

That's fine. I still see unsourced content in both the articles though.--Launchballer 11:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Launchballer: I added the remaining sources. Both articles are ready for a full review.Onceinawhile (talk) 14:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

You're just in time, I was about to mark this for closure! I will review this within the next 24 hours.--Launchballer 14:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Long enough, new enough. I don't see any reason why this might deserve a maintenance template, and the hook checks out and the QPQ is done. This is fine, although I would invite promoters to read Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 203#Negative Israel hooks.--Launchballer 11:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Onceinawhile, Launchballer, AirshipJungleman29, Gatoclass, and Chipmunkdavis: I've reopened this following discussion at [1] there was a bit of disagreement, but IMHO the article does not satisfy WP:DYKCOMPLETE, and CMD notes that the hook fact is not directly mentioned either.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Amakuru: understood and thanks for this. I agree with you, and was thinking about this history section when drafting and reviewing. From memory, the chosen areas of history followed the Arabic article versions. It's a difficult balance, faced by all our Old City and Historic district articles, as we don't want to duplicate the entire pre-modern history section of the much more fulsome main articles. Most such articles provide a light overview of the history, and instead focus on the cultural and architectural legacy.

I will have a go at building out - grateful for your comments. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Onceinawhile: thanks. I do know what you mean... It's tricky to know how to balance content across intertwined topics. In theory each article is standalone, but we don't want redundancy all the same. A broad-bush overview of the major points across the centuries would be sufficient here anyway. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Onceinawhile: The nomination has already timed out as of today, so if the issues can't be addressed promptly then unfortunately the nomination will be closed as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Narutolovehinata5: thanks for the ping. I finished Amakuru’s suggested improvements at Old City of Gaza two days ago, and have just finished at Old City of Nablus. Perhaps Amakuru could take a quick look and confirm if any further comments or changes are needed? Onceinawhile (talk) 09:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on October 3

Light Weight Air Warning Radar

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LW/AW Mark 1A

• ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that fit in the Douglas DC-2, were taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and in one case manpacked up 200 foot cliffs? Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect and DC-2, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sanjna

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 201 past nominations.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC).

• The hook needs to be shortened as it is over 200 characters. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• ALT1: that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that could be taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and manpacked up 200 foot cliffs?Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs Shortened version suggested. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  ALT1 has so much detail, that it tells the whole story and gives me no reason to click the link to read more. I recommend something much shorter. Flibirigit (talk) 02:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

   Reviewing... Will do a full review for this within two days. Flibirigit (talk) 04:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - ?
• Interesting: - ?

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: - ?
Overall: Article was created on October 3, and nominated the same day. Length and sourcing are adequate. I am stil reviewing the article for neutrality, and have no yet decided. I found no plagiarism concerns. I note that this Earwig result highlights proper nouns and a properly attributed quote. The original hook was far too long. ALT1 is not hooky as per my above comment. The nominated image is clear at a low resolution, and used in the aticle. Depending on a reworded hook, it may or may not improve the hook. I also note that File:Mark 1A Light Weight Air Warning Radar. 6091121.jpg has already appeared in the picture slot of DYK on Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2018/November#9_November_2018. The QPQ requirement is insufficient since it only commented on eligibility, and was not a full review of all DYK criteria as per WP:DYKRR. Please provide a complete review for QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 15:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: Let me know when you have decided. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Fort clarity, I do not expect any neutrality issues but I have not completely read the article. I shold have that completed by tomorrow. My primary concerns are the hook and QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 19:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I did some minor copyediting, and no neutrality concerns noted. Please see above comments for the hooks and QPQ. Thanks for this nomination! Flibirigit (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: Are the above concerns resolved, as is this ready for re-review? Z1720 (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

No, it's not ready. No hooks have been proposed, and no valid QPQ has been supplied. I will continue my review when those are ready. Flibirigit (talk) 17:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar system was developed as a portable system to be quickly delivered to forward airfields? A possible hook; if you like it, Maury Markowitz (talk) or someone else would need to check and cite the sources (probably Minnett, but I can't access it to do this). Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

The new hook looks promising. We still need a valid QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I have done another QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/Oh My Mother!. Strongly prefer ALT1, and I'm at a loss why someone might not read an article because the hook is too interesting. I am dealing with my parent's wills for the next little while, so if immediate attention is needed, just close the nom. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT1 has been struck because it is too long. Flibirigit (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT2 is the best hook of those proposed. But where exactly is it cited? It seems to be a summary of several sentences throughout the article. Each of which would need a citation at the end as per WP:DYKCRIT. I remain open to other hooks being proposed. Flibirigit (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Can you be more specific about the issue with ALT1? It meets all the requirements and is directly cited. You note it "gives me no reason to click the link to read more", but I would say it is precisely the opposite. Having written a similar hook for the Type 6, which got a surprisingly large number of views especially it was near the bottom of the DYK list, I'd like something more to work with. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT1 is too long since it tells the whole story, and gives the reader no incentive to look at the article. It tells the reader why the radar was designed, how it was packed and moved, and where it was used. That's essentially the whole story, and does not hook the read into wanting to know more. Ideal hooks are short and snappy. A better hook would omit some of the facts and leave the reader wanting to know the rest, such as how or why. Please see WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 02:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: Please note that the nomination will time out in a few days. Given that ALT2 is the only remaining unrejected hook, albeit still with sourcing issues. If you want the nomination to continue and be approved, please address the sourcing issues with ALT2. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT3: ...that in one case, the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was taken ashore in canoes, and then manpacked up 200 foot cliffs? Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Will review by the end of the day. Flibirigit (talk) 16:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

ALT3 is an improved hook, but I have several concerns. The wording "that in one case" is ambiguous whether it means "in one instance" or "in one package (such as a suitcase)". ALT3 also sounds as if the radar was transported up multiple cliffs, when it likely only went up one cliff, on one side of the fjord. The corresponding quote in the article makes no mention of "taken ashore" and uses "manhandled" instead of "manpacked". Lastly, as per WP:DYKHFC, each sentence in the quote needs a citation. ALT3 needs revisions as per above. I'm still open to revisiting ALT2, or any new hook proposed. Flibirigit (talk) 03:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz and Flibirigit: The nomination is two months old as of today, meaning it has already technically timed-out. If issues are not addressed promptly, the nomination will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

It is very unnecessary to ping me on this nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 12:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

ALT4: ...that in one instance, the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was once loaded using canoes and later manhandled up a 200 foot cliff? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Aprroving ALT4 (shortened). The hook is catchy, properly mentioend and cited without the quotebox of the "Into service" section. The QPQ has been provided, and the article adheres to other DYK criteria as per my above review. Flibirigit (talk) 14:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 5

Note: I did not promote it to GA status, it was ZKang123. I just did some minor edits including the disco one.

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