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The only non-vote opinion comes from the nominator, and that does not address all the sources brought up by @[[User:Fram|Fram]] in the [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alinur_Velidedeoğlu|prior deletion discussion]]. The article is about a TV/magazine personality, and so many sources are naturally of that nature. But that does not change the fact that those are reliable, secondary and independent. Just to add one, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u14ZtXBAOw here] is another media coverage about him, clearly demonstrating the notability. [[User:TheJoyfulTentmaker|TheJoyfulTentmaker]] ([[User talk:TheJoyfulTentmaker|talk]]) 04:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
The only non-vote opinion comes from the nominator, and that does not address all the sources brought up by @[[User:Fram|Fram]] in the [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alinur_Velidedeoğlu|prior deletion discussion]]. The article is about a TV/magazine personality, and so many sources are naturally of that nature. But that does not change the fact that those are reliable, secondary and independent. Just to add one, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u14ZtXBAOw here] is another media coverage about him, clearly demonstrating the notability. [[User:TheJoyfulTentmaker|TheJoyfulTentmaker]] ([[User talk:TheJoyfulTentmaker|talk]]) 04:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:'''Update''': adding more sources to demonstrate that we have a very clear DRV#3 case here. None of the sources that follow has been considered in the deletion discussion, and all of them are contributing to notability either via the GNG or one of the SNGs (some can be critical of the subject): [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-reviews/ottoman-lieutenant-982222], [https://variety.com/2017/film/markets-festivals/the-ottoman-lieutenant-film-review-1202001137], [https://htkulup.haberturk.com/gundem/haber/1164448-yasandi-bitti], [https://www.gzt.com/jurnalist/sisine-sisine-gezip-yasadilar-oktay-kaynarcadan-unlu-reklamciya-sert-tepki-2651761], [https://www.karar.com/alinur-velidedeogludan-hollywoodlu-fotograf-25645], [https://www.sabah.com.tr/yazarlar/gunaydin/cankurt/2015/10/29/dahi-reklamcidan-dahice-bosanma], [https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/alinur-velidedeoglu-nun-midnight-express-savasi-5927153], [https://www.sabah.com.tr/yazarlar/gunaydin/cankurt/2010/08/18/dahi_reklamci_mucit_olmus] [[User:TheJoyfulTentmaker|TheJoyfulTentmaker]] ([[User talk:TheJoyfulTentmaker|talk]]) 03:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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*[[WP:DRV]] is just about this AFD closure, not the first AFD closure, and nobody in this discussion was arguing for this article to be Kept. I'm sure there were opinions about this article that might not have been expressed during the AFD period. But the closer's obligation is to determine the consensus of the editors who chose to participate in the discussion and given the comments, I don't see how you can argue for a different closure outcome. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 05:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
*[[WP:DRV]] is just about this AFD closure, not the first AFD closure, and nobody in this discussion was arguing for this article to be Kept. I'm sure there were opinions about this article that might not have been expressed during the AFD period. But the closer's obligation is to determine the consensus of the editors who chose to participate in the discussion and given the comments, I don't see how you can argue for a different closure outcome. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 05:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
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*:@[[User:Liz|Liz]] Thank you for responding. I have missed this discussion, I would have participated had I seen it when it was open. I was wondering if it would be possible restore the article, or to re-list the nomination? I believe the second deletion nomination statement was not done properly, since it addressed just a small subset of the sources brought up in the prior discussion, and the two delete votes did not elaborate on any of the sources that were brought up there. Thanks in advance. [[User:TheJoyfulTentmaker|TheJoyfulTentmaker]] ([[User talk:TheJoyfulTentmaker|talk]]) 06:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
*:@[[User:Liz|Liz]] Thank you for responding. I have missed this discussion, I would have participated had I seen it when it was open. I was wondering if it would be possible restore the article, or to re-list the nomination? I believe the second deletion nomination statement was not done properly, since it addressed just a small subset of the sources brought up in the prior discussion, and the two delete votes did not elaborate on any of the sources that were brought up there. Thanks in advance. [[User:TheJoyfulTentmaker|TheJoyfulTentmaker]] ([[User talk:TheJoyfulTentmaker|talk]]) 06:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
Revision as of 03:59, 15 September 2024
The only non-vote opinion comes from the nominator, and that does not address all the sources brought up by @Fram in the prior deletion discussion. The article is about a TV/magazine personality, and so many sources are naturally of that nature. But that does not change the fact that those are reliable, secondary and independent. Just to add one, here is another media coverage about him, clearly demonstrating the notability. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 04:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Update: adding more sources to demonstrate that we have a very clear DRV#3 case here. None of the sources that follow has been considered in the deletion discussion, and all of them are contributing to notability either via the GNG or one of the SNGs (some can be critical of the subject): [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 03:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:DRV is just about this AFD closure, not the first AFD closure, and nobody in this discussion was arguing for this article to be Kept. I'm sure there were opinions about this article that might not have been expressed during the AFD period. But the closer's obligation is to determine the consensus of the editors who chose to participate in the discussion and given the comments, I don't see how you can argue for a different closure outcome. Liz Read! Talk! 05:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz Thank you for responding. I have missed this discussion, I would have participated had I seen it when it was open. I was wondering if it would be possible restore the article, or to re-list the nomination? I believe the second deletion nomination statement was not done properly, since it addressed just a small subset of the sources brought up in the prior discussion, and the two delete votes did not elaborate on any of the sources that were brought up there. Thanks in advance. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 06:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse unanimous result. The additional Youtube source presented here by the appellant is just a five minute interview with the subject, and provides nothing in terms of notability. The AfD would have closed the same way had the appellant participated in it. Owen× ☎ 09:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I believe that 5 minute NBC segment is more than just an interview, but regardless, my main point was that Fram's excellent outline in the previous discussion, which includes 3 separate issues from Milliyet's printed archive (which they selected among 179 search hits in the newspaper's archive), and non-interview articles by 2 separate Turkish columnists was not considered. The nominator only addressed the weaker ones among the sources presented. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 15:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)