Talk:The Left in the European Parliament

No Mention of Far-Left?

This is the farthest left group in European Parliament, with many members who are frequently described as being far-left. There are also some reliable sources that describe them as far-left, one of which I have attached.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137265111_3 JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 05:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Nowhere in that chapter, nor anywhere in the book, does the author characterise GUE/NGL as far-left. The author discusses PEL as the far-left grouping. Do not make false claims about the content of sources.

There are currently eleven sources which describe this as simply a left-wing group. The weight of sources indicate it is characterised as left-wing. Cambial — foliar❧ 10:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong source, here's a couple:

https://www.rferl.org/a/european-parliament-elections-results-epp-far-right/32986621.html

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/57114/european-parliament-election-party-stances-on-migration JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 00:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

One source run by the US government and one funded by the EU itself: not the kind of independent secondary sources used. These really don’t establish due weight to characterise it differently when weighed against the twelve sources (eleven cited and one to which you link above) that refer to the subject simply as left-wing. Cambial — foliar❧ 04:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

These sources are generally considered reliable, but if you want to nitpick, then fine, here's two more:

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/06/10/extreme-left-lost-but-gained-unexpectedly-in-the-north

https://www.orfonline.org/public/uploads/upload/20240529105124.pdf JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 16:06, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Needless to say, many of the constituent parties are far-left, as well. JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 16:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

“here’s two more” - and then you post a link to a source that says in the European elections is the left-wing European United Left/Nordic Green Left (GUE/NGL).” So yet another source that describes them as left-wing. This is like a ‘70s farce. Cambial — foliar❧ 18:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

It also calls it far-left, both in the title and in the tag. Thus, left-wing to far-left, the label which I am arguing for, is perfectly acceptable. JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 18:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

https://shapingeurope.eu/the-different-political-groups-in-the-european-parliament/

There's another that calls it "left to far-left"

https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2024/number/2/article/the-far-right-and-the-2024-european-elections.html

There's one that only says "far-left"

https://www.ft.com/content/80d97abc-2f51-42b3-a5f3-fba3f6c572d1

Another that says it is "made up of far-left parties"

https://www.politico.eu/article/socialists-in-turmoil-as-meps-defect-to-hard-left/

Another for "hard-left"

I have cited 8 reliable sources now, just as many as have been cited to call this party left-wing. JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 18:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

The headline is not relevant – it is not a reliable source. See WP:HEADLINES for an explanation of why. Neither Euronews nor Politico describe the article subject as far-left, hard-left, or any synonymous phrase in the actual content.

RFERL is not considered generally reliable. It is considered a biased source with no consensus of reliability. While it might be useful for some uncontentious fact, it's not appropriate to try to establish a new political position of a European Parliamentary group.

Thus far there are the eleven sources cited on the article that describe it as "left-wing", then two more sources that you found, while searching for something that describes it as "far-left", that in fact describe it only as "left-wing". Thus far a total of thirteen describing it only as left-wing. Beyond that we have the sixteen sources below I found with 30 seconds of searching, all of which describe it as only left-wing. This brings the total to twenty-nine.

Against that we have the two publications from think-tanks/lobby groups and one article in a right-learning newspaper. So no, not "just as many". Far fewer, and certainly not such that it establishes weight for what is very evidently a minority view.

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Many more could be found with little effort, as that's the way the majority of sources describe it. Cambial — foliar❧ 22:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)