Talk:International recognition of the State of Palestine

Mexico recognized Palestine

When I searched "Why Mexico has yet to recognize Palestine," sources pop up saying that Mexico does recognize Palestine. Here's one article: https://jacobin.com/2023/07/mexico-amlo-israel-palestine-embassy-diplomacy . Correditor56 (talk) 05:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

"Recuerda que a pesar de que nuestro país mantiene relaciones diplomáticas con Palestina, no ha reconocido un Estado palestino y sólo se han firmado algunos acuerdos;" - Coordinación de Comunicación Social - INICIO - Senado. 26 July 2021 Sean.hoyland (talk) 05:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I think the recognition confusion re Mexico is more recent than that. It might be that Mansour in the section above is including Mexico in the 141 count, idk. Selfstudier (talk) 10:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

As of October 2023, Mexico did not recognize Palestine[2]. Semsûrî (talk) 10:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

This piece in the Jacobin contradicts that (btw that Telediario source says "Whether Echeverría Álvarez underestimated or unaware of the power of the Jewish community within the financial sector, in Hollywood and in the media in the United States,.... which is usually considered as an antisemitic trope).

We still need to figure out the 140/141 discrepancy, whether it be Mexico or something else. Selfstudier (talk) 10:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Mansour does not explicitly state 141 "UN members" which could mean he includes the Holy See? Jamaica is counted as 140th UN member here[3]. Semsûrî (talk) 11:04, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Speaking of discrepancy, there's also some ambiguity surrounding Malta as they are planning on recognizing Palestine (again?).[4] Semsûrî (talk) 11:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Some of the confusion may stem from the difference between recognisig a state (recognising its sovereignty) and recognising a government (accepting it as legitimate, i.e., maintaining diplomatic relations). Vide Afghanistan for instance which is recognised as a state by nearly all countries of the world, but its current government is recognised only partially. Not all journalists may understand the difference, either. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

That's true but if you check the other discussion, there are several RS also using the higher figure. Selfstudier (talk) 11:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I need some help. I edited the Arabic version of this article by adding Mexico with the same references but some user named Mystrixo reverted it by saying to me that "Mexico hasn't officialy recognized Palestine yet. What was said about the matter was from the Palestinian side only". Can anyone please convince him? Underdwarf58 (talk) 06:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Needs to be sorted out there, even though the annex to the UN letter includes it (see the section 140/141? below), so there is a case for including it, there is arguably a case for excluding it. It isn't a requirement for Mexico to officially announce it, some countries don't do that but it seems to me that if Mexico has allowed SoP to establish an embassy (so the ambassadors credentials have been accepted) then that is some sort of recognition even if backhanded (see the Jacobin article). Selfstudier (talk) 10:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Trinidad & Tobago recognition of Palestine yesterday

List of countries recognizing Palestine should be extended, as of yesterday (May 2 2024) to Trinidad and Tobago, source: https://foreign.gov.tt/resources/news/recognition-by-trinidad-and-tobago-of-the-state-of-palestine/ Aintgotrhythm (talk) 12:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

We should update this article because recently they recognise Palestine as a sovereign state. Qhairun (talk) 12:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

140/141?

This 9 April letter lists 140 countries, including Mexico and the Holy See. The latter is an observer state, so 139 if we include Mexico.

Adding Barbados and Trinidad and Tobago since then gives 141.

Can we agree on this figure? Selfstudier (talk) 11:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Can you recheck the link? It sends me to an error page. Semsûrî (talk) 11:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

OK, cannot go to it directly, you can instead reach it via https://undocs.org/en/A/78/846. Selfstudier (talk) 11:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Well 141 it is. Semsûrî (talk) 12:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Give it a day or two, see if anyone else has anything to add. Selfstudier (talk) 12:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The document should be enough to add Mexico to the list. Semsûrî (talk) 12:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Semsûrî If Mexico is added to the table of countries that recognise Palestine, it must be removed from the table of countries that do not recognise it. Or, am I missing something? — kashmīrī ^TALK 12:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

OK, disregard, you've self reverted now. — kashmīrī ^TALK 12:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Why did you remove the reference that showcased that diplomatic relations existed between Mexico and Palestine? Semsûrî (talk) 12:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Can someone fact check whether or not Mexico recognised Palestine as a sovereign state? Qhairun (talk) 13:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Palestinian National Authotity says so. Underdwarf58 (talk) 22:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

See Talk:International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#MEXICO_DOES_NOT_RECOGNISE_PALESTINE_(24_MAY_2024) below, I think that it is clear that Mexico does not presently recognize Palestine. Selfstudier (talk) 09:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit warring

@Semsûrî: You've violated the 1RR restriction by making several reverts today:

• [5]
• [6]
• [7]

Please self-revert at the very least to the edit in which I correctly formatted the large table in the "No diplomatic recognition" section. This was quite a lot of time and effort, and your revert only to add Mexico (which was additionally a controversial edit on your part) was quite disruptive. Thanks. — kashmīrī ^TALK 16:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding Mexico back to the non-recognition list was not deliberate. In one of your edits, you (perhaps accidently) removed the sre.gob.mx from the Diplomatic recognitions-list which was my issue. Can you link to the version you want the non-recognition list to be at? Semsûrî (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I might have made a minor mistake, and frankly I don't care that much whether Mexico is in or out at the moment. What I'd like is to get the whole formatting and templates back, like in this version: [8] Thanks! — kashmīrī ^TALK 17:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Bahamas as well

https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/143850 Selfstudier (talk) 08:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

EU Member States Recognition Initiative May 21st

Perhaps worth mentioning in the non-recognition infoboxes for Ireland, Spain, Malta and Slovenia for now, before adding them to the recognising nations when the announcement is formally made? Culloty82 (talk) 11:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Nah, best to wait until they actually do it. Selfstudier (talk) 11:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

This source says Slovenia will do it in June. Selfstudier (talk) 17:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

More info to keep you guys updated

Underdwarf58 (talk) 13:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Ireland confirmed: https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-to-officially-recognise-state-of-palestine/a128328868.html Eray08yigit (talk) 22:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Spain as well as two unidentified EU member states (most likely not Slovenia yet) are confirmed too.

Underdwarf58 (talk) 00:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Norway confirmed: https://www.reuters.com/world/norway-recognise-palestinian-state-nrk-aftenposten-report-2024-05-22/ Eray08yigit (talk) 07:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Sure, here’s the revised text with the primary sources included:

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I prefer working with primary sources rather than press releases. Could we please change the sources in the article accordingly?

The original press release from the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs: [Norway Recognises Palestine as a State](https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/norway-recognises-palestine-as-a-state/id3040194/)

The original press release from the Irish Ministry of Foreign Affairs: [Tánaiste Micheál Martin's Remarks on Palestinian Statehood](https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/7f450-tanaiste-micheal-martins-remarks-on-palestinian-statehood/)

The Spanish Ministry of Foreign Affairs has not yet published anything.

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Feel free to let me know if you need any further modifications or additional information. 91.25.188.242 (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

References

May 10th 2024 UN vote

additional UN rights given by the resolution are noted here. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/05/1149596 At this time, I haven't been able to identify the voting record, but imagine that will be available on the UN's website shortly. Gregory5796 (talk) 16:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Pic here, just for interest Selfstudier (talk) 16:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

The votes Selfstudier (talk) 19:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I have uploaded an svg file for use later:

File:Palestine UN Membership Bid 2024.svg Underdwarf58 (talk) 04:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. There is one small mistake. DR Congo was absent (blue). 91.25.188.242 (talk) 09:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Without DR Congo, the number of those who voted in favor would be 142 instead of 143. Underdwarf58 (talk) 11:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Underdwarf58: DRC indeed was absent during voting[9], yet it's listed as having voted in favour! [10] — kashmīrī ^TALK 16:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I just counted – Al Jazeera made a mistake and incorrectly listed DRC as voting in favour, bringing the number of countries on its list to 144 (!). @Underdwarf58, would you remove DRC from your map please?

BTW, this is just another reminder that we should never treat so-called reliable sources as God. — kashmīrī ^TALK 16:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

What do you think about integrating the map into the section "Timeline of Palestine in the United Nations"? 91.25.188.242 (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Non EC editors are permitted to make edit requests, is that a request? Selfstudier (talk) 17:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't mind into which category you place it. I am not an editor. It is what it is: a proposal for consideration. 2A02:3035:609:D22B:8092:D87:23EA:EE44 (talk) 17:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Equatorial Guinea

Hi @Kashmiri, This document[11] from 2019 indicates diplomatic relations as the Equatorial Guinean ambassador in Cairo is accredited to "Palestine". Perhaps Palestine is absent from your 2021 document because it simply didn't have an ambassador stationed there at the time. Semsûrî (talk) 21:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Semsûrî, that's interesting. Does Concurrencia denote other countries that the given ambassador is accredited to? Or the given embassy's coverage area e.g. for visa/consular services?

The document I linked, from 2021,[12] lists all the missions accredited to EG, including those outside of the country (in fact, they are the majority given EG's size).

It's a tricky situation. Best would be to email their MFA and enquire I assume. — kashmīrī ^TALK 22:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

From the looks of it, yes. Concurrencia does denote other countries that the given ambassador is accredited to. The previous reference he put that you undid is about the presentation of credentials which does mean that Equatorial Guinea and Palestine maintain formal diplomatic relations. Maybe the document that you linked from 2021 doesn't include Palestine because none of their missions have accredited EG yet. Underdwarf58 (talk) 23:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

References

NORWEGIAN RECOGNITION OF THE STATE OF PALESTINE (22.05.24) Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2024

CHANGE Norway's position from "do not recognize" do "recognize". Per a government press conference at the 22nd of May 2024, at 08:30 (ETC +1), Prime minister Gahr Støre announced the government will formally recognize the state of Palestine, starting on tuesday the 28th of May 2024.

SOURCE: https://www.nrk.no/urix/noreg-anerkjenner-palestina-1.16891635 Argonikon (talk) 06:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

They have recognized it but it will take affect on 28 May as the article states. Semsûrî (talk) 06:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Here the Independent saying 143, before the new three recognize officially so that is the 146 we have in the article, I guess, jumping the gun a little bit, but OK. Selfstudier (talk) 10:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2024

Hi,

Change map of recognition. Remove Czech Republic from list of state which recognize Palestina as a state.

According to Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Czech Republic. Czech Republic doesn't recognize Palestine as a state. The map is wrong.

Source: https://mzv.gov.cz/jnp/cz/zahranicni_vztahy/vyrocni_zpravy_a_dokumenty/poskytnute_informace/postoj_cr_drive_csfr_a_cssr_k_uznani.html

Czech: "K uznání palestinského státu ze strany ČR tak prozatím nedošlo" Translation: "So far, there has been no recognition of the Palestinian state by the Czech Republic" Jirik Kolarik (talk) 09:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll add this in the hope that it provides a bit more context and sourcing for the request.

The International Criminal Court case ICC-01/18 "Decision on the ‘Prosecution request pursuant to article 19(3) for a ruling on the Court’s territorial jurisdiction in Palestine’ included Amicus curiae submissions. The Czech Republic provided a submission of observations (ICC-01/18-69 13-03-2020 1/10 NM PT) on 12 March 2020. It provides some clarity on the Czech Republic's position (which is a bit confusing because of history, the fact that they have diplomatic relations with the State of Palestine and numerous sources reporting that Czech Republic has recognized Palestine). The Czech Republic's submission is also discussed in the ICC pre-trial chamber's determination report (ICC-01/18-143 05-02-2021 1/60 EC PT) from 5 February 2021. Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Interesting. The last document you linked says: 101. The Chamber notes that, in the context of the present proceedings, seven States Parties submitted observations on the Prosecutor’s Request as amici curiae thereby arguing that Palestine cannot be considered a State for the purposes of article 12(2)(a) of the Statute, namely the Czech Republic, Austria, Australia, Hungary, Germany, Brazil and Uganda. However, it should be noted that these States remained silent during the accession process and that none of them challenged Palestine’s accession before the Assembly of State Parties at that time or later. (page 45). That would also mean that of our recognition list, also Brazil, Hungary and Uganda don't recognise Palestine as a state. Do we have any sources about these countries?

Of note, it's amusing how the Czech MFA, in the link provided by the OP, struggles to explain how a non-country can have a diplomatically recognised embassy in Prague. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a lot of political posturing going on there and trying, rather unsuccessfully, to make use of the distinction between a State and a State Party. Selfstudier (talk) 11:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Example, Brazil voted for 67/19 and for the application to join UNESCO (there is also a correlation between governments of the right and what they say compared to when they are run by the left). Selfstudier (talk) 11:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Re Brazil, it seems Lula recognised Palestine in 2010, and while Bolsonaro was pro-Israeli in foreign policy, he doesn't appear to have reversed the decision. Culloty82 (talk) 11:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

It all perhaps boils down to the one key feature of sovereignty, viz. freedom to recognise the sovereignty of others at will. This is also, incidentally, something that many Wikipedia editors did not seem to grasp. A sovereign country is free to recognise whomever they wish as its equal (i.e., similarly sovereign), and it's this fact that decides on whether a polity can be called sovereign, rather than its membership in international organisations.

That also means that one government in a country is free to recognise someone's sovereignty, and the next is free to say they don't recognise one (of course, each act comes with administrative and political costs).

How do we approach this on Wiki, when the Czechoslovak government recognised Palestine and one of subsequent governments refused to do that? I don't know. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

It's quite unusual for state recognition to be reversed. The Derecognition of States "argues that state derecognition is a highly controversial and unstable practice that has less to do with the unfulfillment of the conditions of statehood by the claimant than with the advancement of the self-interest of the former base state and derecognizing state. The derecognition of states is not a rule; rather, it is an exception in international diplomacy, driven by political expediency and is incompatible with original rationales for granting recognition."

Interestingly, he analyzes Taiwan, Western Sahara, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Kosovo but not Palestine. Selfstudier (talk) 11:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't quite see how you can have derecognition and an embassy at the same time, tbh although they inherited the situation as successor. There must be sources somewhere explaining the position, which seems a bit contradictory. I think we will have to just go by reliable sources and I think that the Czech government is not necessarily a reliable source in this particular case. Selfstudier (talk) 12:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

BBC pointed out[13] that a country voting for Palestine's accession to the UN GA or other UN bodies implies recognition. Going by this interpretation, both Brazil and Uganda recognise Palestinian statehood (they voted Yes on 10th May), although Czechia and Hungary might still not. — kashmīrī ^TALK 15:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Malta is a bit odd, too. 16 November 1988, supposed recognition but then why? I think it is more politics, tbh, they want to make a kind of trend of announcements, perhaps. Belgium is also in there somewhere. Selfstudier (talk) 15:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

References

pre-May 22 blurbs about Spain, Ireland and Norway positions should be restored responsibly.

Before May 2024, all major states, whether recognizing or not, had a blurb about their position. While Spain & Ireland & Norway may take a few weeks to formalize their newly announced positions, their old blurbs should be restored & one or two new sentences can be added to reflect the new information that has come out on May 22 2024 (today!!).

This may be obvious, but Spain, Ireland and Norway should not be listed in the plain "not recognizing" sub-section. (Currently these 3 nations are just not listed at all, which is weird.) They should probably be listed under a new subsection called "Recognition announced (May 2024)" or "Recognition pending (May 2024)" or some other similar, reasonable, concise phrase.

I am not gonna complete this task myself today, but if someone doesn't sort if out in the next 48 hours, I'll be back to take another look soon. skakEL 15:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

For the sake of a week or so, might as well just wait. Selfstudier (talk) 15:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that, at this point, the three countries don't appear at all in any of the tables, being the only countries that don't have any opinion on the matter in the world. The blurbs should be restored in the "No diplomatic recognition", but the announcements of their intention to recognize by May 28th should be included. Also, the entries for Slovenia and Belgium should be updated too, including the Slovene announcement of recognition by mid-June [14][15], and the decision of the Belgian cabinet to not recognize yet [16]. --B1mbo (talk) 18:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Now its 4 days, what is the hurry? Selfstudier (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't see how removing the information from three countries only because it probably will change in four days is helpful. I've recovered the blurbs from the three countries and added the information regarding the joint recognition on May 28th. After recognition is confirmed, they should be removed and added to the list of countries recognizing Palestine. --B1mbo (talk) 03:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring blurbs. skakEL 12:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Problem with Iran's date

So I recently found a link to the official website of the Palestinian mfa that lists the countries that have recognized Palestine as a state by date (though for some reason Ireland, Norway and Spain are already listed despite it not being effective until next Tuesday but that's not the topic at hand). One thing that I immediately saw was Iran being listed as the first country to do so, but their date (4 February 1988) predates the Palestinian Declaration of Independence's date so that's why they are listed as 4 February 1989 in this article. Any opinions on this? Underdwarf58 (talk) 10:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Handy listing from AJ That says Iran 1989. Not sure about that Jordan version of the PNA site, however the UN document also says 4 February 1988, idk why. Selfstudier (talk) 11:42, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Mexico does not recognize Palestine (24 May 2024)

I don't know who started the rumour Mexico recognises Palestine as a sovereign state, but it's false.

Today, May 24 (2024), the current President of Mexico has declared that his government is still considering (via the Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs) if Mexico should officially recognise Palestine as an independent and sovereign state (or not). Here are the sources (in Spanish, his own words):

- https://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/mundo/2024/05/24/mexico-reconocera-a-palestina-como-estado-prefiero-que-esperemos-dice-amlo/

- https://www.informador.mx/mexico/AMLO-Cuestionan-al-Presidente-sobre-reconocer-como-Estado-a-Palestina-esto-respondio-20240524-0097.html

- https://www.milenio.com/politica/sre-analiza-si-reconoce-a-palestina-como-estado-dice-amlo

- https://www.jornada.com.mx/noticia/2024/05/24/politica/proximamente-mexico-dara-a-conocer-si-reconoce-o-no-a-palestina-amlo-2585

- https://vanguardia.com.mx/noticias/nacional/tras-el-anuncio-de-espana-noruega-e-irlanda-amlo-prefiere-esperar-para-reconocer-a-palestina-como-estado-KF12069636

The State of Palestine has an embassy in Mexico City, but this was a unilateral move from Ramallah (considered as such by the current Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs last year). Again, the source in Spanish (where the Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs also states that MEXICO DOES NOT RECOGNISE THE STATE OF PALESTINE even if both countries have good diplomatic relationships):

- https://www.jornada.com.mx/notas/2023/06/04/politica/abrir-legacion-de-palestina-decision-unilateral-sre/ Aleqc (talk) 18:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Idk who started it but it is included in the UN document with a date of 2 June, so maybe the Palestinians started it. Let's read those sources and see what they say. Pretty sure you cannot unilaterally open an embassy, presentation of credentials etc. Selfstudier (talk) 18:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

That's good enough for me, so Mexico is not (yet) recognized by Mexico. Selfstudier (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that Mexico should be removed. However, it is a very odd diplomatic behavior to not recognize the State of Palestine officially, but still use the name "Estado de Palestine" to refer to the entity.[17] This practice does not make our work easy. Semsûrî (talk) 10:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

For confirmation purposes, is there an official Mexican government source that confirms that the President said to wait?

I ask because the Mexican government released a statement last month that says "Mexico has supported actions in several multilateral forums that have, among others, the legal effect of recognizing Palestine as a State". This implies that they recognize (although it's not entirely clear) https://www.gob.mx/sre/prensa/mexico-reaffirms-its-support-for-palestine-to-become-a-full-member-of-the-united-nations?idiom=en

By the way, that UN document about 2 June 2023 being the date of Mexican recognition is here (signed by the heads of OIC, Non-Aligned Movement, and the Arab Group). It's unclear whether Mexico was involved Gfoxwood (talk) 11:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

There are a half dozen sources above citing the Mexican president as saying that Mexico has not yet decided to recognize Palestine, notwithstanding that they have taken actions that imply recognition. Perhaps US/Mexico politics are playing a part there but regardless.

It's unclear whether Mexico was involved I don't think we can assume that Mexico had any direct involvement with that, although I don't think we can assume that SoP just made it up, either, possibly some misunderstandings somewhere along the line, we just don't know. Selfstudier (talk) 11:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

True, although there are a number of credible sources that say that they do recognize (e.g. Washington Post and Al Jazeera English), so it's difficult to know which media outlet is correct without an official Mexican source (or a video of the President's media conference or similar)

Anyhow I'm fine to leave it as unrecognized for now. Hopefully we get clarity soon

p.s. if my UN link didn't work before, here's another try https://documents.un.org/access.nsf/get?OpenAgent&DS=A/78/846&Lang=E Gfoxwood (talk) 12:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Or https://undocs.org/en/A/78/846 Selfstudier (talk) 12:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit request

Therefore, I suggest listing in the article only those states that, if diplomatic relations exist, maintain at least embassies rather than liaison offices. With the help of AI, the 143 states should be quickly checked.

An embassy seems to merely indicate that the Palestinians unilaterally recognize the respective state. 91.25.188.242 (talk) 09:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Not done, this is an entirely new and unsourced method of compiling the list which seems at variance with the historical method and current sources. Selfstudier (talk) 10:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

What about the updating with Spain, Norway and Ireland?

To this date and hour, Spain has officially recognized Palestine, even with prime minister Sanchez publicly announcing it, but this article still doesn't get updated. 79.117.67.55 (talk) 08:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Patience, someone will do it shortly (perhaps one of those that was so anxious to include it before it was officially announced). Selfstudier (talk) 09:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Spain: https://x.com/desdelamoncloa/status/1795403495971148077 Eray08yigit (talk) 10:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Spain, Norway and Ireland formally recognize a Palestinian state as EU rift with Israel widens (AP) Selfstudier (talk) 11:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Diplomatic relations

So what should we do with the diplomatic list section of the table? The PLO has missions in Norway and Ireland but they are not considered embassies of the State of Palestine (so far). Ireland uses Palestinian mission[18], Norway uses the term Palestinian (Liberation Organization) mission [19], while its diplomatic mission of Palestine for Spain[20]. Any thoughts? Semsûrî (talk) 14:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Considering what you said while reverting my edit, we have no choice but to wait until those missions convert to embassies. Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Slovenia update

Just giving you a heads up. It is expected that tomorrow, the government of Slovenia will discuss a proposal to recognize Palestine to the country's legislative body for approval. Underdwarf58 (talk) 11:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

This obviously doesn't mean immediate recognition, but who knows? Maybe they will confirm a date like the previous three countries did. Underdwarf58 (talk) 11:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed, we'll have to wait until next Tuesday if the parliament approves it. Underdwarf58 (talk) 23:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Malta

It appears their 1988 declaration only acknowledged Palestine's "right to a state", rather than giving official diplomatic recognition, which has yet to occur. Culloty82 (talk) 12:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

That seems clear enough so Malta has not recognized Palestine. Selfstudier (talk) 12:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Several news agencies report that Malta’s government is to recognize a Palestinian state “when the circumstances are right". Which suggests, "not yet".

e.g. https://apnews.com/live/palestinian-state-recognized-european-countries-live#0000018f-a037-dbc9-a19f-f37ff4a50000 Adachika192 (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Czech Republic recognition of State of Palestine

There is incorrect information in the article. The Czech Republic have not recognised State of Palestine. I enclose the latest official response to this question from Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic: [21] . There is unequivocal consensus and no Czech official says it has recognised it - I also enclose czech well-respected news where they discussed if the Czech Republic is planning to recognise State of Palestine in the future: [22].

The mistake probably stems from the fact, that in 1988 the Czechoslovakia recognised it but this country dissolved in 1992 into 2 countries and one of them is the Czech Republic which has not (and still do not) recognized State of Palestine. The Czech Republic rejects the 1988 declaration as it was accepted under communist rule and has no effect on present country Czech Republic. It is also freely verifiable through literally whichever UN resolution concerning Palestine - the Czech Republic is always against it. For example here: [23] R4Z0 (talk) 12:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I also enclose english-written news that tackle this issue: AP news or also Al-jazeera. Nonetheless, official Czech government statement is in my previous paragraph. The current source in this article to the "Yes" in recognition cites only the interpretation of State of Palestine authorities not the position of the Czech Republic. R4Z0 (talk) 13:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Yet, the Czech MFA does use the term "State of Palestine" elsewhere (in its diplomatic list). [24] Semsûrî (talk) 14:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

The State of Palestine literally has an embassy in Prague Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

The Czech Republic was a legal successor of Czechoslovakia,[25] inheriting all its legal privileges and obligations as well as its diplomatic recognition status (both ways). — kashmīrī ^TALK 18:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

True, in effect, it means that Czech, unlike Slovakia, has unrecognized Palestine, a non usual action but allowed. The question is why they have retained the diplomatic setup, an embassy. Still, it's up to them, like everything in IP, it's political. Selfstudier (talk) 21:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Spain, Ireland and Norway recognize a Palestinian state. Why does that matter? (AP) confirms that Slovakia took a different path, "Slovakia’s Foreign Ministry says that the two sides confirmed their mutual recognition when Slovakia was becoming independent in 1992-93, and that the Palestinian state has a fully functioning embassy in Bratislava since 2006." Czech also has an embassy, slightly odd position, diplomatic relations yes but state recognition, no. In effect Czech has unrecognized Palestine and should be removed from the list. Selfstudier (talk) 14:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)