User talk:Miria~01

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Hello again. I saw that you are interested in editng articles related to the Olympics. You could join WikiProject Olympics. Kpddg ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Seemingly unnecessary decapitalization

Hello, I was looking through recent changes and noticed you were uncapitalizing letters in Olympic-related articles seemingly unnecessarily and I was wondering why it is you're doing this as it seems to be already grammatically correct. Thanks, SnazzyInfinity (chat? • what I've done) 22:34, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I think uncapitalized is more the correct option. But even if it is perhaps not necessary, a consistent standard should be used in my view, at least as far as possible. Miria~01 (talk) 22:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

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May 2024

Hello, I'm Kingsif. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.

Your comment at the end of this series of edits is incredibly uncivil to me, when I had done nothing but tell you that your arguments were, at best, based in WP:SYNTH. You claim that you are breaking down my "false statements", although half the time you're agreeing with me and seem to have just misunderstood what I said - but then you wrote (first) that you think I was trying to push through [my] agenda by accusing [you]. I accused you of nothing besides not understanding that the fact athletes can have no NOC or represent a different NOC to their place of birth (something which we agree on, yet you rant about me not knowing this!), means that their home nations are utterly irrelevant. Ironically, you then seem to accuse me of having an WP:AGENDA, even though all I was doing in those comments was trying to get discussion on track after other users had based arguments in the untrue and irrelevant idea that athletes are "typically" identified by their nation of birth.

The comments at the end are uncivil, and various parts of the rest of it are nonsensical, and I will only reply to outline as such.

Based on how you seem to interpret some of what I say that is fundamentally agreeing with you as the opposite - and what I still believe is your misinterpretation of IOC guidelines - I would like to (politely) ask if English is your first language, and suggest that you continue to base your editing on talk pages, including being open to clarification rather than combative when provided it, if you are struggling to understand things and contribute in the language.

But in any case, you have still (as I saw it) tried to make an argument based on your own interpretation of IOC rules, rather than based on Wikipedia policy and purpose, or using tertiary/secondary sources that interpret the rules in the context of the relevant situation. I.e. poor arguments. I would encourage aligning your thoughts with Wikipedia purpose more, in general. Kingsif (talk) 22:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

If my answer came across too harshly, I apologize.

But this resulted primarily in the fact that your claims (in some respects) are not true. You claim at the very beginning that there is no consistency in Olympic Wikipedia articles when specifying the nationalities for the special delegations and that is simply not true, as I pointed out.

The main point is that you simplified a change to other NOCs... not wrong, just very simplified and I may have assumed a rhetorical intent in the argument. Changing from one NOC to another NOC is by no means that easy, as first of all the nationality must be changed in the respective international sports federation and only if the athlete is naturalized in the associated country (according to the country's rules).

I also ask you for a little self-reflection. Because no one said the word “birthplace.” Even the user with “typically” didn’t say it like that, but it was your interpretation. Please quote one of the users in the discussion if I'm wrong here.

But let's leave that aside.

Unified Team at the 1992 Summer Olympics

Historical changes: ...The other ex-Soviet republics participated as a "unified team", although the winners were honored under the flags of their own republics.[1] At the opening ceremony, the flags of the former post -Soviet states were also be displayed and their names are announced in the stadium -> Barcelona 1992 Opening Ceremony (Full Length) - youtube ' '(linked with timestamp 1h18m8s for the Unified team in the IOC's official YouTube channel)

A nice example of why specifying the nationalities in this particular delegation in the Wiki article has encyclopedic value. Here athletes from different countries or NOCs (e.g. National Olympic Committee of Ukraine founded in 1990) appeared together as a special delegation. The athlete's respective national flag was also raised at the medal ceremonies.

For now, just take this one special delegation.

Why do you think nationality should be removed here? Miria~01 (talk) 23:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

A small addendum:

What does that mean?: ..means that their "home nations" are utterly irrelevant. .

This is a twisting of words. Please stick to a correct definition and no fuzzy words that leave so much room for definition. This is what the definition e.g. in the European Union looks like:

• County of origin = The country of nationality or, for stateless persons, of former habitual residence.[2]
• Country of nationality = The country (or countries) of which a person holds citizenship [3]
• Country of birth = The country of residence (in its current borders, if the information is available) of the mother at the time of birth or, in default, the country (in its current borders, if the information is available) in which took the birth place [4]

See also Naturalization.

I can't do anything with the word "home nation", because it's unclear what you actually mean by that. So I ask you to explain what you mean by “home nation” in your sentence? Is it the country of birth ? what is the home nation by multipe citizenships? Or you actually meant the registered nationality at the international sports federation? The registered nationality is what prevents athletes with this registered nationality from starting at the IF for another NOC at the Olympics. Even in the case of multiple citizenships, the nationality registered with the IF is always what is relevant and the reason why e.g. the athletes have to start in a special delegation, if the respective NOC for that nationality is banned or excluded. Miria~01 (talk) 01:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)