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April 13

10:38, 13 April 2024 review of submission by Trafalgar54

• Trafalgar54 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Roberto Giovanni Carbone (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have submitted my draft but there is always some query regarding not adequately supported by reliable sources. I ask your precious help please. Please realize that many documents and informations are original and personal of the subject of the draft and is very difficult to see in the website whereas the information and the letter of commendation are very important to plan the draf page. Thank you very much. All the Best Trafalgar54 (talk) 10:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

A Wikipedia article should be based completely on published sources. Unpublished material can never be cited, and nor can information which is validated only by unpublished material. ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

10:51, 13 April 2024 review of submission by Siralex1973

• Siralex1973 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • One for the Mockingbird (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, according with the band, i'm going to create pages for every single they made. I started with the one mentioned above but the submission was declined maybe for not enough references?. Please can you suggest me what can i do to make the right articles? is my first work in wikipedia... thank you very much in advance Alessio Siralex1973 (talk) 10:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Siralex. If you were starting to learn engineering, would you make your first project to build a car from scratch? If you took up a musical instrument, would you arrange a public recital as the first thing you did? No, you would practise on less demanding projects while you learnt the craft.
I would very strongly advise you that you will save yourself a great deal of frustration and disappointment if you forget about creating a new article for several months, while you gradually learn about how Wikipedia works (and most particularly about Verifiability, reliable sources, and Neutral point of view) by making improvements to some of our six million existing articles..

If you do this, then by the time you try creating articles, you will know that creating an article begins with finding independent reliable sources that cover the subject in depth, and that if you can't find enough, your quest for that particular article ends there. ColinFine (talk) 16:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

11:17, 13 April 2024 review of submission by Dineshgopal

• Dineshgopal (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Dinesh Krishnan B (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

All are reliable links like IMDB and even the linked wiki pages contain the name of the person. Please let me know what I need to do for approval. Thanks. Dineshgopal (talk) 11:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:IMDB it is never a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 12:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

And nor are Wiki pages a reliable source.

And interviews, even if they are published in a reliable source, are not independent, and do cont contribute to establishing notability.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

April 14

06:43, 14 April 2024 review of submission by Skimliii

• Skimliii (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Yana Deliradeva (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I need help understanding what am I doing wrong with the article. It has been in review waitlist for quite some time Skimliii (talk) 06:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Skimliii: there is no evidence that the subject is notable. Also, far too much of the content is unsupported by referencing - where is all this information coming from? I have consequently declined your draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, the article is actually just a translated version of an bulgarian wiki article, that is already live from couple of months. I got the info from the choir's page in wikipedia, the original bulgarian version of the article. What more for the subject to be notable? Skimliii (talk) 07:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Skimliii: notability doesn't arise from having an article in another language version of Wikipedia (which in any case is entirely irrelevant, as each version is a completely separate project with their own policies and requirements), or by association with another subject which may be notable. In this case, I'm not aware of any special notability guideline that would apply to choirmasters, therefore you would need to show that the subject satisfies the general WP:GNG one. And you need to support the information comprehensively with inline citations to reliable published sources. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

So i would have to find reliable secondary sources, that are different from the choir's website for example. Or the biography of the person in the Academy of arts. Can you give me an example for such sources, I don't seem to understand from the given info in the wp:gng section in wiki. Would all this be enough for the article to get approved? Skimliii (talk) 08:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Skimliii there are two separate issues here:

1. Notability: you need to cite sources that satisfy the GNG standard, namely multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent of the subject, that have provided significant coverage of the subject directly. Without demonstrating notability it isn't possible for this draft to be accepted for publication.
2. Verifiability: you also need to support every material statement, anything potentially contentious, and all private personal details with an inline citation to a reliable published source, so that the information can be verified. So for example, when the draft states that she obtained a degree from the Plovdiv Academy of Music, Dance and Fine Arts, we need to know where that info came from. Anything that cannot be appropriately referenced should be removed.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

So if I cite all the awards she receved, contributions she has in the bulgarian choral art, degree from both AMDFA and Westminster choir college, would that make her notable? I know, that for a person to be notable in gng, he/she must have Awards and Recognitions, Impact or Influence on the field they work on. If I somehow succeed in finding and verifying all that information with the proper inline citations and sources, would that be enough? Skimliii (talk) 08:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Only if the awards are notable, ie. they have their own Wikipedia article. Theroadislong (talk) 09:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Are the awards considered notable if they have mentions in the national radio? Or news? Can i cite the pages of the festivals where she earned those? They are considered a big deal in our country. Skimliii (talk) 09:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi again! I think I managed to improve the article, if possible can you see it and tell me if I did a good job with it? I added every reliable source information I could get my hands at, including some scientific papers, radio articles, degree proof from a reliable source and fixed the inline external links from the body text. Skimliii (talk) 11:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

09:05, 14 April 2024 review of submission by JFBB12345

• JFBB12345 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:John Maxwell Bailey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I have submitted a biographical entry for John Maxwell Bailey who was an important member of the team working at CERN on Muon storage rings from 1964 onwards. This was initially rejected as lacking references but I have now put in some major academic references. There has been much recent coverage of Muon research in the press so publishing this biographical page which summarizes all the early work by the leading expert on Moun storage rings will be very timely. However the paper has just been returned again as still lacking references. Is this insufficient evidence of the academic work, or of something else such as JM Bailey's place of birth (Australia)? JM Bailey's personal details can be verified from the end of this year (2024) via on online link to the Queen's College Record which will publish his obituary in the end-of-year issue (Notable former students), would this be helpful? Clearly that is over six months away and we do not want this page to become dormant. Please can you advise how to provide the information that is required? JFBB12345 (talk) 09:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@JFBB12345: Have you read WP:NACADEMIC? We don't use news stories anywhere near as heavily for academics (since most of them don't make the newspapers anyway); so we instead judge their notability based off of how widely they have been cited or if they have otherwise made a name for themselves in academia. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 17:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, the page includes links to some of John Bailey's major academic papers with high citations / references. Haven't included newspaper article links as these are often behind a paywall anyway so could not be accessed by many Wikipedia readers. JFBB12345 (talk) 12:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

09:18, 14 April 2024 review of submission by JFBB12345

• JFBB12345 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • John Maxwell Bailey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I have just seen that this is a place where I can ask for help. I have submitted a biographical entry for John Maxwell Bailey who was an important member of the team working at CERN on Muon storage rings from 1964 onwards. In this article following initial refusal on the valid grounds that I had not included published scientific articles, I have now referenced (with links) a number of the most significant papers coming out of this research for whom JM Bailey was the main author (his name appearing either first, or following Francis Farley who was the leader of the large team cited as 'et al' which can be seen by viewing the papers on the links submitted). There has recently been renewed coverage of Muon research in the press so publishing this biographical page which summarizes all the early work by the leading expert on Moun storage rings will be very timely. Despite the evidence in all these papers / links, the biography has just been returned again as having insufficient evidence. Is this insufficient evidence of the academic work, or of something else such as JM Bailey's place of birth (Australia) or something else? His attendance at the University of Sidney and at The Queen's College, Oxford can be substantiated by the alumni offices of the academic institutions concerned, but this is not something that can be put as a link into a Wikipedia article. Please can you advise how to provide whatever information is required? Is it personal information which I can supply to you directly such as an email from the universities confirming his attendance there? Your help is much appreciated as I believe this will be a significant addition to Wikipedia (strong links to three other scientists featured on Wikipedia: VA Bailey, Francis Farley and Emilio Picasso). Thank you! JFBB12345

JFBB12345 (talk) 09:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

11:36, 14 April 2024 review of submission by Aqibzubairkhan

• Aqibzubairkhan (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Mohammed Hijab (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

cause i added some credible refrences Aqibzubairkhan (talk) 11:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Adding more YouTube references (unreliable source) and external links isn't remotely helpful. Theroadislong (talk) 11:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

15:55, 14 April 2024 review of submission by 65.183.154.8

• 65.183.154.8 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Angela Patten (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am surprised that this article on the Irish poet Angela Patten is rejected. My attempt here is to show her as a notable poet who is part of the evolving canon of Irish women poets. Her poetry has been included in major literary journals and in significant anthologies that have been reviews in major scholarly journals. Should I tag her as part of Women in Red? 65.183.154.8 (talk) 15:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It hasn't been rejected (which is a terminal option), only declined (which means that you can resubmit once you've addressed the decline reasons). On both occasions, the reviewer felt that notability had not been demonstrated. You need to either cite sources that meet the general notability guideline WP:GNG, or provide evidence that the subject satisfies one or more of the criteria in the special WP:POET one. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

15:58, 14 April 2024 review of submission by Connor World

• Connor World (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Canright (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I need help referencing Connor World (talk) 15:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Connor World: this draft has been rejected for complete lack of any evidence of notability, and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

You can find help with referencing at WP:REFB but your draft has reached the end of the road. Theroadislong (talk) 16:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

17:27, 14 April 2024 review of submission by WarriorYt43

• WarriorYt43 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Adil Raja (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This draft has been rejected. Please help me fix the issues so it can be uploaded on the main page. Here is what the reviewer said about this.

"The BLP relies on some unreliable sources, lacks a NPOV, and still promotional in nature. Additionally, it fails to meet WP:N."

Please help. Thanks! WarriorYt43 (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Please read about WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, and WP:N.

Writing a Wikipedia article begins with finding sources which are reliable, wholly independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the subject. That is because if you cannot find at least three sources which meet all those criteria, then every second that you spend on this article thereafter will be time wasted. ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

20:05, 14 April 2024 review of submission by Bemdani

• Bemdani (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Ole Skovsmose (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I made the first draft of this article at the end of last August. From then on, with the contribution of Wikipedia reviewers, I made all the changes that were suggested, and greatly improved the article. So I would like to know if I can resubmit it now. Finally, I emphasize that I made all changes suggested by DoubleGrazing, and in relation to his/her comment "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject", I respond that my relationship with the subject is strictly academic, as I studied his books during my doctorate. I look forward your feedback. Thanks. Bemdani (talk) 20:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bemdani you can resubmit it but it will mostly likely be declined again because the majority of the sources are Skovsmose's own work. You can't source statements like "All his works led to the development of several notions and concepts, for instance, critical mathematics education" to a publications written by Skovsmose. That is just one example but such claims need to be supported by strong secondary sources. See also WP:PROF. For his work as an artist, critical reviews by reputable publications/critics are needed. S0091 (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

April 15

06:40, 15 April 2024 review of submission by Mani G 36

• Mani G 36 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:OG Das (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

why my article draft was declined Mani G 36 (talk) 06:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mani G 36 I have rejected the article as there is no indication this person meets our notability criteria for musicians at this time. Qcne (talk) 06:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

07:17, 15 April 2024 review of submission by Baluulab6

• Baluulab6 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Karthika thirunal Indira Bhai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

i tried to publish this page sever times but it is not yet done . Kindly help to publish this page as it is important to keep the Wiki of Karthika thirunal indira bhai as there is no any other source to mark her presence in the history and Travancore royal family Baluulab6 (talk) 07:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Baluulab6 your draft will never be published because there are no references. Wikipedia articles must be references with independent, reliable references. Please very carefully read WP:VERIFY. Qcne (talk) 07:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

If there are no other sources, then this is necessarily original research, which is not permitted in any Wikipedia article. ColinFine (talk) 15:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

07:31, 15 April 2024 review of submission by Mani G 36

• Mani G 36 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:OG Das (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

pls help Mani G 36 (talk) 07:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I've rejected the draft and there is nothing further you can do, @Mani G 36. Qcne (talk) 07:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

09:07, 15 April 2024 review of submission by Cfarant

• Cfarant (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • User:Cfarant/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

why my article is rejected ? Cfarant (talk) 09:07, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Cfarant I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft as intended. Your draft was declined, not rejected. "Rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. "Declined" means that it may be resubmitted if you can fix the issues identified by the reviewer. Please see the message left by the reviewer, and also read the policies linked to therein. 331dot (talk) 09:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cfarant and 331dot: My first thought was to look over at the French language Wikipedia and see whether there was an article there. (Caveat: my "Frenssh", is much like the the Prioress in The Canterbury Tales but "After the scole of the University of Woolloomooloo", rather than "After the scole of Stratford atte Bowe"). From what I can see, "the article was considered for deletion in 2017 and was deleted as an article that was on en.wp in 2024 but not on fr.wp. My guess is that that an article about this living person may not pass any number of tests for notability, including but not limited to WP:ANYBIO, WP:NACADEMIC. As always, please do prove me wrong about this. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

09:56, 15 April 2024 review of submission by TaraLemming

• TaraLemming (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Herbert L. Kloiber (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I included third-party resources about Herbert L Kloiber but it says these do not count as notable credits but they are third-party and mention the person in more than just passing. Why are these credits not credible? TaraLemming (talk) 09:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

They are independent, but just document routine activities. 331dot (talk) 09:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@TaraLemming: please read WP:OVERCITE. We surely don't need 11 citations to support a fairly non-contentious statement like "After serving at TMG for almost seven years, he founded the Munich-based production company Night Time Media in 2020". The same problem is there throughout the draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

10:37, 15 April 2024 review of submission by Ugo perritos

• Ugo perritos (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Sentry Mode (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

May we include a video in the bibliography as a source of information? Ugo perritos (talk) 10:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ugo perritos: if the video meets the WP:GNG standard, then you may cite it, yes. But your primary objective is to demonstrate notability, because that is what's preventing this draft from being accepted. Do not resubmit the draft before notability is clearly shown.

Who is "we" in your question? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I meant to say I, not we. Ugo perritos (talk) 10:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

10:46, 15 April 2024 review of submission by SouthPole5423

• SouthPole5423 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Bangladesh Children’s Day (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Article review time is taking too long, all the other submissions of mine took only 1 or 2 days, is there something wrong? SouthPole5423 (talk) 10:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@SouthPole5423: there is nothing wrong, your draft has only been waiting for a few days, and it may be reviewed at any time, in a matter of minutes, days, or weeks. As it says on top of the draft, "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,393 pending submissions waiting for review." -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, I was just a bit worried since all of my previous ones took such a short time. SouthPole5423 (talk) 11:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

13:04, 15 April 2024 review of submission by Grantsharples

• Grantsharples (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:American Adoptions (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello! I've had my article rejected several times, and I've tried to address the reasons for rejection with each new submission. Where does this article fall short? One of my edits said it looked good aside from the "industry scope" section I've since deleted, but it has still been denied approval anyway. What can I do to remedy that? Thanks for your help! Grantsharples (talk) 13:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Grantsharples: your draft (not yet 'article') has been declined (not 'rejected') a few times, because at least two reviewers felt there wasn't sufficient evidence of notability. Based on a quick scan only (not a thorough source analysis), it seems you're citing almost entirely primary sources, with the exception of the Good Morning America piece. Per WP:ORG, we need to see significant coverage, directly of the subject, in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Please see the comment that the latest reviewer made: We need independent, in depth coverage, which doesn't appear to e present.

Looking at the list of references, it strikes me that many of your citations are to directories, or lists of services. If so, then unless any of them contain in-depth coverage of the subject, all of them together contribute nothing at all towards establishing notability, and probably almost nothing at all towards the article.

The article should be almost entirely a summary of what commentators wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about it. ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

14:07, 15 April 2024 review of submission by MorriconeEnnio

• MorriconeEnnio (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Nenad Vorih (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

   Hello :)
   I'm wondering why the published sources referenced are not considered adequate. Is it because although published, they are not available online? Bc that is not the criteria for reliability as per the policy at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources. Were there particular sources that you found to be unreliable or were all considered unreliable? Is the issue that they were considered unreliable sources or that they were considered unreliable in terms of the statements in the text? Thanks so much for your assistance! I appreciate your feedback.  MorriconeEnnio (talk) 14:07, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @MorriconeEnnio. It might be that the reviewer declined it because the draft does not conform to our mandatory use of in-line citations for biographies of living people. You're close, but there should not be a Notes section and instead follow the tutorial at WP:INTREFVE in order to create properly formatted in-line references, which will automatically create a References section for you. @Ibjaja055

You're right though, offline sources can be used. Qcne (talk) 15:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure this isn't the reason for the decline, but I noticed that in the infobox at least the date of birth is unreferenced, which per WP:DOB must be backed up with a reliable published source. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing, @MorriconeEnnio@Qcne So sorry for replying late. The article was declined because there are not enough secondary and independent sources that can prove that the subject is notable. If there are good sources with the problems of in-line citations, I will gladly work on the article and move on for another reviewer to approve or decline. Ibjaja055 (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

O ok. Thank you all so much for this feedback! I will review the tutorial at the link you provided. I will also do a bit more research into additional sources. @Ibjaja055 I would appreciate your help on editing and drafting. However, if you believe additional sources would support approval re: notability then let me do a bit more research first. Thanks again :) MorriconeEnnio (talk) 10:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

15:31, 15 April 2024 review of submission by Rudharnagpal50

• Rudharnagpal50 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:QURBAAN HUA (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

i dont know about wiki writing can u please help me to publish my film page on wiki Rudharnagpal50 (talk) 15:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Nope, there is no indication that your film is notable enough to merit an article, sorry. Qcne (talk) 15:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rudharnagpal50: your draft is completely unreferenced, you need to cite the sources that have provided that information, see WP:REFB for advice. And then the sources also need to satisfy a notability guideline, either WP:GNG or WP:NFILM. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

15:55, 15 April 2024 review of submission by 2001:999:485:AF51:4485:89CF:DB92:79C6

• 2001:999:485:AF51:4485:89CF:DB92:79C6 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Kaisa Hannele Tervola (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The article was rejected because the subject soubded not notable enough. Yet I have tge impressiln that if one asks people who are the most important thinkers of these modern times. Kaisa Hannele Tervola comes to people's minds. So a Wikioedia article about her writing work would be notable enough subject for Wikipedia. 2001:999:485:AF51:4485:89CF:DB92:79C6 (talk) 15:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

We don't assess notability by "asking people", but by evaluating the sources used in referencing the draft. This draft lists (without citing, which is a hard requirement in articles on living people) some external links as well a number of works by Tervola, but none of it suggests notability in any obvious way. If you can find sources that satisfy the WP:GNG notability guideline, or alternatively demonstrate that this person meets one of the special guidelines such as WP:NAUTHOR, you may appeal the rejection directly to the reviewer who rejected this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

16:13, 15 April 2024 review of submission by Techrd2000cork

• Techrd2000cork (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Team Hacktivist Vanguard (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Kindly Advice Techrd2000cork (talk) 16:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Techrd2000cork: my advice is to steer well clear of this sock-fest of a subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

16:17, 15 April 2024 review of submission by 100.2.77.12

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  • Draft:American Society of Ophthalmic Trauma (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

All

My attempt to get a Wikipedia entry for the American Society of Ophthalmic Trauma has been denied. Below is our soon to be published Trauma Roadmap outlining the problem. There is a pressing need for both the military (lack of trauma-proficient eye surgeons with a rising threat of hostilities) and civilian sectors (poor eye trauma training and unwillingness to care for trauma) to tune up eye trauma care. It's not "life and limb", it's "life limb and sight." The ASOT is leading a multiorganizational effort, including the orgsanizations listed n the roadmap, the Health and Human Services, and the United States Army.

What do I need to do to get the entry approved for Wikipedia?

Roadmap

A Call to Action and Roadmap for Improving Emergency Treatment of Ophthalmic Trauma in the United States Introduction: In 2006, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) described the state of emergency care in the United States as fragmented, with tremendous variability, lack of disaster preparedness, and shortage of on-call specialists.1 Reasons cited for lack of on-call specialists included inadequate reimbursement, liability risks, and disruptive demands to their private practices.1 Therefore, a joint-specialty task force was established with the goals of evaluating the role of ophthalmologists in ophthalmic emergencies and trauma and addressing the public health need on a national basis. The task force includes representatives from the following organizations: American College of Surgeons (ACS), including Trauma Surgery (Central Committee on Trauma (COT)) and Ophthalmology sections; American Academy of Ophthalmology (Academy); American Board of Ophthalmology (ABO); Association of University Professors of Ophthalmology (AUPO); American Society of Ophthalmic Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery (ASOPRS); American Society of Ophthalmic Trauma (ASOT); and Society of Military Ophthalmologists (SMO). Background: Ocular trauma is a leading, and sometimes preventable, cause of visual impairment and blindness. A study of the 2008-2014 National Trauma Data Bank (NTDB) found 316,485 cases of ophthalmic injuries or 5.93% of the total 5,336,575 hospitalized patients.2 The most common injuries were orbital (39.5%) and contusions of the eye/adnexa (34%). Other NTDB studies found that 11,097 (5.7%) of all work-related trauma cases (234,983) included ocular injuries3 , and that 3.7% (8,715) of 235,254 patients with firearm-associated injury also had ocular trauma.4 In the United States, a study based on the National Ambulatory Medical Care Survey, the National Hospital Ambulatory Medical Care Survey, and the National Hospital Discharge Survey for 2001 estimated nearly 2 million (6.98 per 1000 population) individuals suffered eye injuries requiring treatment.5 Most of the eye injuries were treated in the emergency department (ED) (50.7%), with the remainder in physicians’ offices (38.7%) and hospital outpatient (8.1%) or inpatient settings (2.5%). Additionally, multiple studies document significant rates of ophthalmic injury and needs, often in the form of complex ocular polytrauma and mass casualties, from various injury mechanisms such as natural disasters, industrial accidents, terrorist attacks, and explosions. 6-12 Ophthalmologists are the most qualified to diagnose and comprehensively treat disorders of the eye, adnexa, and visual system.13 This is based on extensive medical and surgical training and knowledge, judgment, communication skills, and professionalism, and amplified by rigorous medical standards, commitment to providing continuity of care, and dedication to comprehensive and lifelong education. Patients with significant eye injury, eye pain, or periocular trauma are most appropriately managed by ophthalmologists for definitive diagnosis and necessary medical and surgical treatment. Recommendations: The Task Force recommends the following actions to address numerous systems-level gaps in ocular trauma care in the United States: 1. Critical importance of the Ophthalmologist. The major ophthalmic societies and training programs should reinforce the critical importance of active involvement of ophthalmologists in the national trauma care system. This should emphasize the ophthalmologist’s unique qualifications in this area. Responsibility cannot be abdicated either by intent or by nonparticipation. Continuing medical education activities for ophthalmic trauma management should be ongoing throughout the ophthalmologist’s career. 2. Recognition. The AAO and ASOT should implement a process of publicly recognizing those ophthalmologists who contribute to the management of ophthalmic trauma and emergencies in their communities. The ACS should continue to include ophthalmic representation on the Central COT. 3. Needs analysis. In collaboration with the ACS and ophthalmic organizations, ongoing educational needs analysis should be undertaken to identify and address ophthalmic trauma knowledge and skills gaps in each community. This analysis should evaluate existing educational resources and determine whether modifications to these materials are necessary to incorporate new technologies or methods. 4. Damage Control Ophthalmology (DCO). The relevant ophthalmology societies represented by this task force should investigate opportunities to develop Damage Control Ophthalmology (DCO) guidelines for civilian triage, stabilization, and ultimate referral to specialty ophthalmic care derived from established Department of Defense (DOD) guidelines. Efforts should be made to circulate the modified DCO guidelines to the ophthalmic community including residents, fellows, and community ophthalmologists. The development of subspecialty DCO guidelines (e.g., DCO cornea, DCO oculoplastics, DCO retina, etc.) is essential. 5. Interspecialty and subspecialty collaboration. The ACS, Academy, ASOT, and ABO should make efforts to provide educational materials regarding trauma coverage to both ophthalmic and trauma communities. The ABO’s recognition of trauma as critical to maintenance of certification, ACS COT’s Advanced Trauma Life Support (ATLS) revisions and other programs, and DOD’s numerous documents for Initial and Prolonged Ophthalmic Care and DCO are examples of initial and ongoing efforts that should be applauded and expanded. Subspecialty collaboration in developing appropriate DCO guidelines will provide consistent and unified guidance in an effort to minimize variation in treatment. 6. National coordination of ocular trauma care and disaster/emergency preparedness. The combined ophthalmic and trauma societies should investigate the process, logistics and ongoing resource requirements of integrating ocular trauma care into the National Trauma and Emergency Preparedness System as proposed by the ACS COT. These efforts should be informed by the military ocular trauma system14 and leverage advanced technologies to extend ocular trauma expertise, particularly to underserved and rural areas. The societies should also work with national and regional disaster/emergency preparedness agencies to ensure ophthalmic concerns and contingencies are considered in planning. 7. Eliminating barriers to coverage and care. The ACS should work to identify and improve systems barriers to ophthalmic coverage in trauma facilities, such as ensuring adequate equipment, supplies, and trained support personnel are available to the on-call ophthalmologist. This includes considerations of credentialing, privileges, and reimbursement. The above suggested actions should provide a framework and roadmap for improving emergency ophthalmic coverage on the part of ophthalmologists and emergency personnel alike, as well as providing continuing resources to improve their comfort, skills, and confidence in dealing with ophthalmic trauma. The Task Force hopes these actions demonstrate good faith efforts and commitment on the part of organized Ophthalmology and Trauma Surgery to jointly help rectify the ongoing problem of inadequate emergency coverage for ophthalmic trauma and address the shortcomings identified by the IOM. We believe these systems-level improvements will result in more accessible, better, and more seamless care, and that both the individual casualty and the nation will benefit from the effort. For the Task Force, Approved: Robert A. Mazzoli, MD FACS: Chair Stuart R. Seiff, MD FACS: Co-Chair Stephen D. McLeod, MD: American Academy of Ophthalmology George B. Bartley, MD: American Board of Ophthalmology Steven E. Feldon, MD, MBA: Association of University Professors of Ophthalmology James D. Auran, MD: American Society of Ophthalmic Trauma, Kenneth E. Morgenstern, MD FACS: American Society of Ophthalmic Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery Barton L. Blackorby, MD: Society of Military Ophthalmologists Jeffrey D. Kerby, MD, PhD, FACS: American College of Surgeons Central Committee on Trauma Avery Nathens, MD FRCSC: American College of Surgeons Central Committee on Trauma Paul A. Edwards, MD FACS: Ophthalmic Advisory Council, American College of Surgeons Alan L. Wagner, MD FACS: Ophthalmic Advisory Council, American College of Surgeons

100.2.77.12 (talk) 16:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I've wrapped up your 'Roadmap', please don't post excessive content here on the Help Desk, thanks.

The main problem, and the reason why your draft has been declined, is lack of evident notability. Per WP:ORG, you need to cite multiple secondary sources that provide significant coverage, directly of your society, and that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject.

You also need to reference the content appropriately so that we can verify the information. Citations such as #6, which merely says "apots.org", doesn't really tell us anything. There are more such problems in this draft. Please see WP:REFB for advice on referencing.

Finally (and this wasn't a reason for declining the draft, but is nevertheless important), you need to disclose your conflict of interest, see WP:COI. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

A "pressing need" is not relevant to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a means of getting a message out to the world - that is called promotion (irrespective of how worthy a cause it may be).

A Wikipedia article summarises what independent commentators have already published about a subject - including any detractors. That is all. ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

16:59, 15 April 2024 review of submission by 2A02:C7C:7D78:E900:1C1D:E7BA:74D1:A052

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  • Draft:Nouryon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I have submitted this so many times with so many different references and none of them get through. I really don't know what else we can add. We are a multi billion dollar global organisation, how can that not be enough to verify us? 2A02:C7C:7D78:E900:1C1D:E7BA:74D1:A052 (talk) 16:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

If you work for this business, the Terms of Use require you to make a paid editing disclosure. Please also see conflict of interest.

Wikipedia is not a place for businesses to tell the world about themselves amd what they do. Most of your sources are your company website, this does not establish notability. Any article about your company should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the business, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. The mere fact that you are a wealthy company does not make it notable. 331dot (talk) 17:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

18:09, 15 April 2024 review of submission by Seraphine Arku

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  • Draft:The maternal Health Narrative in Africa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I submitted an article and someone reviewed it and said it sounded like an essay rather than an article. Also, the reviewer added that I should summarize information from different sources which I did so I need more clarification and possibly, others can review it and throw more light on it for me. Thanks Seraphine Arku (talk) 18:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Link to draft: Draft:The maternal Health Narrative in Africa. asilvering (talk) 18:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Seraphine Arku, looking at this draft, I don't really understand why you want to create a new article? We already have an article on Maternal health, and it would be best if you could edit that article to include information from your sources. -- asilvering (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. It is part of the list of articles we can write that is why I did. Thanks for the clarification Seraphine Arku (talk) 18:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Seraphine Arku, what do you mean by "part of the list of articles we can write"? Is this part of an editathon or school project? -- asilvering (talk) 18:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

The African Wiki Women ProjectAfrica Wiki Women IWD - Inspire Inclusion 2024/Items/Resources and Suggested articles and items - Meta (wikimedia.org) Seraphine Arku (talk) 19:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Aha, I see. If you want to make a much longer article, I agree that Maternal health in Africa is a good topic. If you only want to write a little bit, like what was in your submitted draft, it's probably better to just write on Maternal health, where your changes will be visible immediately. It looks like this editathon will still be going for the next couple of months, so you might alternatively want to hang onto this draft and see if anyone wants to add to it with you. I'll move it to the correct title for you. -- asilvering (talk) 23:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright sure. Thank you Seraphine Arku (talk) 15:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

22:11, 15 April 2024 review of submission by EagleDancerWiki

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  • Draft:Tandem BASE Parachuting (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am requesting assistance because I do not know how to deal with the IGNORANT and LAZY "editors" in your organization who AGAIN rejected my article despite it being almost identical to a similar article on a related sub-discipline of sport parachuting that was accepted back when Wikipedia apparently had knowledgeable, not-lazy real editors. That article is on Wikipedia right now, yet your "editors" are so effing lazy and ignorant they can't be bothered to do 10 SECONDS of research to find that similar article on a related subject.

This article, Tandem BASE Parachuting, is ~500 words, yet it took your "editors" 2.5 MONTHS to reject it again for totally bogus reasons that they would KNOW were totally bogus if they were not so effing LAZY and IGNORANT and bothered to do 10 SECONDS OF RESEARCH about the subject.

Please compare my entry with the tandem skydiving entry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandem_skydiving

You will discover that my entry, Tandem BASE Parachuting, is almost identical because these two sub-disciplines of sport parachuting ARE almost identical, as the chief difference between them is that tandem skydiving starts from an aircraft, and tandem BASE parachuting starts from a Building, Antenna, Span, or Earth object.

So why oh why in God's name do your ignorant lazy "editors" REJECT the tandem BASE parachuting article despite there being essentially ZERO difference in them -- especially when the SOURCES your ignorant lazy "editors" keep claiming are inadequate for a host of equally bogus reasons are even closer than the text itself to being the exact same sources as the article which was accepted?

The only conclusion I can draw is that when the tandem skydiving article WAS accepted some years ago, you had actual, real editors, who were not lazy and ignorant. Seriously, what other possible reason can there be?

So that is why I am requesting assistance: These lazy, ignorant, incompetent "editors" need supervision -- and really, you guys need to ask yourselves:

IF these tools are so lazy and ignorant that they totally screw up THIS SIMPLE ARTICLE WITH SOURCES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ACCEPTED FOR ANOTHER WIKI ARTICLE,

THEN how badly are they screwing up bigger, more complex, more important submissions?

This is not rocket surgery.

Thanks in advance for solving this and getting the tandem BASE parachuting article up on Wikipedia despite the ignorant lazy "editors" who have made such a mess of this and wasted everybody's time, including yours.

Robin Heid, M.A.

EagleDancerWiki (talk) 22:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You are correct the existing articles were crap and needed to be removed so I have taken care of that. Thank you for bringing it to our attention in such a constructive and understanding way. Now with that being dealt with your draft was declined because it does not meet the requirements of inclusion in that it does not show enough coverage in sources outside of official organizations. If you can show more coverage outside of these organizations then it is very likely this could be included as a notable topic on its own. Otherwise you may consider adding some of this content to BASE_jumping#Tandem_BASE_jumps. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 22:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

And for the record, Tandem skydiving long predates the drafting process, its first edit being made 2005/Dec/03. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 17:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

EagleDancerWiki Please remain calm and civil instead of making personal attacks on volunteer editors. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 15:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

April 16

04:24, 16 April 2024 review of submission by 180.150.113.7

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  • Draft:The Throne (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I've just seen my draft has been declined. It is in fact the truth. Please see Timothy John Windsor (York) on Facebook and contact the royal family for further proof if necessary.

Thankyou 180.150.113.7 (talk) 04:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Please read the guidelines. Deb (talk) 08:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

04:49, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Lucygirl03

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  • Draft:Sarvesh Raj (IPS) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have checked his entire profile. He was selected as an IPS officer in the 2013 batch. He has served as an Assistant Superintendent of Police (ASP) in Ramanathapuram district and acted as a Superintendent of Police (SP) in Ambatur city. He is currently serving as an Undersecretary in Delhi. He has successfully resolved numerous sensitive issues in Ramanathapuram district. Therefore, I believe he is eligible to have a Wikipedia page. Here is the reference

IPS Profile reference: https://cms.tn.gov.in/sites/default/files/go/home_e_17_2015_pn.pdf https://elcot.in/sites/default/file/List%20of%20eligible%20Officers%20under%20AIS%20Scheme_0.pdf https://ips.gov.in/Empanelment/Inter_seSeniority_20012023.pdf

Ambattur case: https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/140218/chennai-rowdy-binu-pleads-for-mercy.html https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/how-chennai-police-captured-6-dozen-wanted-men-in-1-raid/articleshow/62829064.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/letter-solves-15-murder-for-cops/articleshow/63162837.cms

Ramanathapuram District caste issues: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/promote-communal-harmony/article8634708.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/Sub-Collector-ASP-honoured-for-commendable-services/article17098729.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/shifting-focus-treading-the-path-of-peace-and-growth/article18511170.ece https://thehinduimages.com/details-page.php?id=174723380&highlights=RAJ%20MUDHALVAN https://colombogazette.com/2016/08/22/brown-sugar-to-be-smuggled-to-sri-lanka-seized-in-tamil-nadu/ https://www.dtnext.in/city/2017/07/03/city-police-officers-shifted-out-within-a-month-in-reshuffle

Lucygirl03 (talk) 04:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

There are two reasons this has been rejected. First, it's one tiny paragraph that doesn't explain how he meets notability. Second, it's written in a promotional manner. Please address these problems in your draft. Deb (talk) 08:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lucygirl03: I would be incredibly cautious if you decide to continue with this. See WP:Contentious topics for more details. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 17:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

05:10, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Millat Ahmad

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  • Draft:Aanthai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am a maiden user in wiki. My very first article is Aanthai. Please give your suggestions to help to edit my draft for suitable in wiki. Thanks Millat Ahmad (talk) 05:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

As a new user, you would be well advised to learn the ropes before trying to create a draft. Have you read Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia? Deb (talk) 08:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

05:24, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Jazakhallah123

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  • Draft:Ansaris of Yusufpur (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hey, I'm writing an article about a very influential political dynasty family and am wondering why it has been rejected. Jazakhallah123 (talk) 05:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jazakhallah123: the draft was declined (not 'rejected') for the reasons given in the decline notice and the accompanying comment – did you read any of that? Anyway, you've since edited the draft and resubmitted it, so you will sooner or later be getting further feedback from the next reviewer. In the meantime, if you have specific questions, feel free to ask them. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

06:15, 16 April 2024 review of submission by 1.158.49.44

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  • Draft:UTTP (UtubeTrollPolice) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Is it still possible to make articles about the UTTP? They’re significantly more relevant now. I’d like to make an article about them. 1.158.49.44 (talk) 06:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I’m going to make an article about various other UTTP subjects such as “thy greatest battle of the internet” and “UTTP emperor anime sucks”. 1.158.49.44 (talk) 06:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

No, please don't do that. Qcne (talk) 08:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Neither of your sources are usable (unknown provenance). YouTube is unusable as a source in most circumstances; the only time we could use it is if (1) the video is produced by an outlet that we'd consider reliable and (2) said video is uploaded to that outlet's verified channel. For obvious reasons we wouldn't be able to cite anything the UTTP or its members put out. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 17:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

07:58, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Funn With The Finn

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  • Draft:Beatrice Salvioni (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Sorry, pretty much a first-timer here. I would be happy to rewrite the article to be just about the book (as mentioned in the comments) and I made the edits already but I can't seem to be able to change the actual name of the article. Can it be changed from "Beatrice Salvioni" to "The Cursed Friend (a novel)"? or do I need to create a new article altogether? I added some more quotes/references. Funn With The Finn (talk) 07:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

The specific title is not particularly relevant; when accepted, the draft will be placed at the proper title by whomever accepts it. You may leave a note on the draft talk page as to what the title should be. 331dot (talk) 08:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Funn With The Finn: if it were me, I'd leave this draft as it is, even if it means abandoning it, and creating a new draft on the book. That's probably easier than reworking this, and it means that should sources come to light which make Salvioni notable, you might be able to get this accepted also, plus it could save some potential confusion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both! I made a new draft now just about the book and left a short subchapter on the author with added refrences (removed the HarperCollins too as the details were available elsewhere). Funn With The Finn (talk) 11:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

08:56, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Catchphurba

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  • Draft:Phurba Sherpa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

it would be nice if you help me to publish this articles Catchphurba (talk) 08:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Catchphurba the draft has been rejected now, and so will not be published at this time. Sorry. Qcne (talk) 09:00, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

The draft has been rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

09:24, 16 April 2024 review of submission by 176.37.54.3

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  • Draft:Alise Trautmane-Uzuner (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I understood that "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources" but if there is nothing else, but this person I'm sure is notable How to proceed with this? 176.37.54.3 (talk) 09:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Eg. the 'Early Life and Education' section is entirely unreferenced. Where did that information come from? Cite those sources.

And saying you're "sure" the subject is notable is one thing; providing evidence thereof is another. It's the latter we're after. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

The draft is written with much promotional language("entreprenurial journey"); this leads me to think that you may be associated with this person- are you? The draft should be written very matter-of-factly, in a dry manner that does not talk up the subject, but just summarizes what independent reliable sources choose to say about them. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

"Notable", in Wikipedia parlance, doesn't mean famous, or popular, or influential, or significant, or any of those things. It means that people have already taken note of the subject, in published material. It basically means "There is enough independent, reliably published material about the subject to base an encyclopaedia article on" - remembering also that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 10:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

12:04, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Joel V Alex

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  • Draft:Joel V Alex (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi can you help to reframe the sentences so that it complies the rules and regulations of WIKIPEDIA? Joel V Alex (talk) 12:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Joel V Alex: this draft was deleted as promotional. So no.

You also shouldn't be writing about yourself in the first place, see WP:AUTOBIO for some of the reasons why. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

13:01, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Mohd Ibraheem 9718

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  • User:Mohd Ibraheem 9718/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

i am trying to write an article but it is being rejected every time Mohd Ibraheem 9718 (talk) 13:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

It was declined(not rejected) twice, and then finally rejected, which means it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not for publishing how to manuals. 331dot (talk) 13:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

14:13, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Pilotnance

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  • User:Pilotnance/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Help me, I want to write an article

Pilotnance (talk) 14:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pilotnance: you'll need to be a bit more specific – what would you like help with? Or if you're after general article-creation guidance, then you should find pretty much everything you need at WP:YFA. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

ok, thanks Pilotnance (talk) 14:22, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

14:20, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Rockparker

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  • Draft:Kaushik Das (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

What mistake am I making in Kaushik Das's Wikipedia article, can you please assist and help to me Rockparker (talk) 14:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rockparker: the draft is promotional, poorly referenced with no inline citations (which are required), and I don't think there is any real evidence of notability either. Please see the decline notices, including all the advice linked to from there. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

What should I do can I able to do Kaushik Das article in future or not , please help me , what should I do now Rockparker (talk) 17:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rockparker: You need to show he is notable per Wikipedia's definition. None of your sources do that - Two are Transfermarkt (which we don't accept as a source), one is statlines from one of the leagues he played in, one is a match summary, and the last is a match report that doesn't even mention him. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 17:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

There 2 more articles about him , but I thought that firstly I mistake a lot that's why I remove that linke if you agree then I will put again , and he is a Football player and many his friends have there Wikipedia article, why for kaushik das is complicated Rockparker (talk) 17:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

You cannot use the presence, absence, or condition of Article X to argue for Article Y. It's likely his friends have articles due to being made before WP:NATHLETE was ripped to shreds in 2022 and nobody's bothered to go in and clean house yet. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 17:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Please review my last submission for last time sir please , this is my first time sorry for that , but tried my best sir Rockparker (talk) 17:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

We don't use Medium (no editorial oversight) and we can't use vocal.media (unknown provenance). Vocal.media especially appears to be a very badly disguised press release. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 17:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rockparker: okay, I've reviewed it one last time. Not one of the sources contribute towards notability per WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

14:33, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Dishakabra12

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Could you please advise on why is she not notable enough? There are so many other whale researchers, who have made even smaller contributions to whale research and they have been included on Wikipedia? Is there a criteria? Dishakabra12 (talk) 14:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Dishakabra12: the draft is entirely unreferenced, which means it fails on verifiability and notability, both core requirements for inclusion in the encyclopaedia. You would need to produce reliable sources that satisfy either the general WP:GNG or the special WP:NACADEMIC notability standards. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

14:45, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Delpolocovy

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  • User:Delpolocovy/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Please help me to modify my article so that it is accepted before publishing it.

Delpolocovy (talk) 14:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Delpolocovy. Have you read WP:NOTESSAY? Your draft is not an encyclopaedic article, but an essay, so needs a total re-write.

You could try improving the existing microplastics article instead? Qcne (talk) 14:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

15:01, 16 April 2024 review of submission by GabrielBarkin

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  • Draft:Croner Company (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I would like help looking at the draft I wrote for The Croner Company and making it acceptable for submission. I suspect I need to pare it down considerably (too much of the material is unsubstantiated by independent sources, I suppose), but perhaps there is someone who can help me make it acceptable? GabrielBarkin (talk) 15:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@GabrielBarkin: yes, paring it down is probably a good idea. However, this draft was declined for lack of evidence of notability, therefore your main task is to provide sources that satisfy the WP:NCORP notability guideline.

You should also change the disclosure on your user page from the generic COI one to the more specific paid-editing one, see {{Paid}}. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

16:11, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Rustymirror

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  • Draft:Abdallah Rothman (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I've added justification for notability to the Talk page. Can you please advise if anything else is needed to resubmit this article for creation? Rustymirror (talk) 16:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Your draft was rejected, typically meaning that it will not be considered further. If something has fundamentally changed about the draft since the last review, such as new sources that the reviewer did not consider, you should first appeal to the last reviewer directly. Note that notability shouldn't be indicated on the talk page- the draft should be written to summarize the sources that show notability. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Apart from appealing to the last reviewer (no reply from them yet) - is it possible to submit a new draft that is fundamentally different? Rustymirror (talk) 15:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rustymirror: Google Scholar gives this person an h-index of 7. Without being in any way an expert in this domain, that doesn't sound to me like evidence of meeting NACADEMIC #1. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Could you please advise what h-index score would be likely to meet NACADEMIC#1? The criteria notes state that "Differences in typical citation and publication rates and in publication conventions between different academic disciplines should be taken into account."

If you look at Dimensions research data on this person's book, "Compared to other publications in the same field, this publication is extremely highly cited and has received approximately 12 times more citations than average." - please see talk page for sources Rustymirror (talk) 15:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

16:45, 16 April 2024 review of submission by 207.242.53.34

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  • Draft:NeilMed Pharmaceuticals Inc (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Team,

  i want to contribute or publish an article about NeilMed Pharmaceuticals Inc which is the manufacturer of the nasal saline irrigation devices and is the world leader in it's category. I want to create an article/post similar to how other companies have i.e. Apple, Amazon, BD, one trust llc, etc. Please help me out and guide through the process.

Thanks Sapan

207.242.53.34 (talk) 16:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Well this is certainly not the way to go about it. Your draft is pure advertising, with zero evidence of notability, and is consequently awaiting speedy deletion.

Please read and understand:

• Notability
• Verifiability
• WP:REFB
• WP:PROMO
• WP:COI

If you think you can comply with all that, then you will find everything you need to get you started at WP:YFA.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC):I assume that you are writing about your company; if so, this must be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. This is easier to do with an account, but even if you choose not to create an account, you must disclose.

I am ready to disclose and yes, i am writing about my company. Please help me out how and where to disclose.

Thanks

sapan 207.242.53.34 (talk) 22:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

(ec) Your text was a blatant advertisement and has been deleted. You have a common misunderstanding about Wikipedia. Companies like Apple and Amazon do not own and maintain articles here. Articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic. Those articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about(in this case) a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. My advice is that you forget that Wikipedia exists, and go on about the activities of your business; if it truly meets the notability guidelines, someone will eventually write about it. Be advised that an article about your business is not necessarily a good thing. 331dot (talk) 16:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Request you to guide on how to publish an article on NeilMed as a company.

Thanks 207.242.53.34 (talk) 16:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

My advice to you as an employee is to not do so, see my previous comment above. If you've been asked to do so by your superiors, please read WP:BOSS and have them read it too.

If you nevertheless wish to proceed, disregarding my advice, you will need to carefully review the definition of a notable company. If you truly feel that your company meets that definition(most companies do not), then gather at least three independent reliable sources that chose on their own to write about your company. These cannot be interviews, press releases, brief mentions, announcements of routine business activities, or primary sources. Then you may use the Article Wizard to summarize those and only those sources in a draft. This will not be easy. You should also disclose your paid status on the draft talk page. 331dot (talk) 17:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the details and guidance.

By the way, would you like to be the one who can start this. This is a request and solicitation 207.242.53.34 (talk) 17:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

We're not writers for hire, and assuming we are is genuinely offensive to the vast majority of us volunteers. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 17:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

17:47, 16 April 2024 review of submission by 51.77.137.219

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  • Draft:TheoTown (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

‎ 51.77.137.219 (talk) 17:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:

• We can't use Reference 1 (unknown provenance). YouTube as a source is usable only if (1) the video is created by an outlet we consider to be reliable and (2) is uploaded to that outlet's verified channel.
• We can't use Reference 2 (no editorial oversight). Forum board.
• We can't use Reference 3 (no editorial oversight).
• We can't use Reference 4 (too sparse). Content-free profile.

None of your sources are any good. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 17:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

18:41, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Jvaldry

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  • Draft:Tiffany Ana López (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'm confused about the notability requirements. One reviewer said the person meets the standard, and another disagreed. I thought I had provided enough documentation of her work and cleaned up the language to be more encyclopedic. Jvaldry (talk) 18:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jvaldry: no, per WP:NACADEMIC #6.c, deanship does not normally make one inherently notable. (Doesn't mean an exception couldn't be made, and also doesn't mean that this person couldn't be otherwise notable, of course.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

19:02, 16 April 2024 review of submission by Mandiace

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  • Draft:Laurie O. Robinson (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

my page got declined because the sources were not reliable but I am not sure what is wrong with the sources. Mandiace (talk) 19:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mandiace: it's not necessarily that the sources are not reliable, but that the draft isn't sufficiently supported; most of the content is unreferenced, which is not acceptable in an article on a living person (see WP:BLP). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

20:36, 16 April 2024 review of submission by TruthIsLikeGravity

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  • Draft:Victoria Vikes Women's Rugby (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The issue of the last paragraph being "inscrutable" is a fair point that I can address. Thank you.

It was, however, claimed that there were "no secondary sources at all", which is patently untrue. There are multiple secondary sources. It is hard to satisfy reviewers that make such mischaracterizations in declining drafts.

The suggestion of making this draft a subsection of another article is odd. Numerous sport teams have Wikipedia articles distinct from the Leagues that they play in. TruthIsLikeGravity (talk) 20:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

See other stuff exists. Each article or draft is considered on its own merits, not based on other articles that themselves may be problematic.

Leaving aside the last paragraph, the article says nothing other than that the team exists and that its members might play for other teams. 331dot (talk) 20:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Although the point about "other stuff exists" may seem valid on the surface, consistency should be considered critical. Without consistency, it's just the Wild West. TruthIsLikeGravity (talk) 21:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Consistency for consistency's sake is not a policy here. If you are aware of other articles about women's rugby teams that exist that you believe are similar to yours, please point those out so action can be taken. The best articles to use as a model or example are those that are classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 21:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Divide the number of articles (6.8 million) by the number of administrators we have (686) and you'll realise you're asking us to do the impossible. We try to be consistent as much as possible, but when you've got such a deficit of manpower there's only so much you can do. Thus we have to rely on more proactive means like this to try and cut the firehose of new articles that would otherwise overwhelm us. To that end, refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:

• We can't use https://www.vicnews.com/sports/uvic-womens-rugby-improve-to-winning-record-after-back-to-back-blowout-victories-91336 (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this? (We're sceptical of role bylines in most cases because they're very frequently used to signal an article didn't go thru the Editor-in-Chief or the outlet's fact-checking processes.)
• We can't use https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1.6638975 (routine coverage). We don't cite matches for sports teams. (In fact, except for specific matches like the Heidi Game or Disco Demolition Night we don't really discuss specific matches in too much depth.)
• We can't use https://bcrugby.com/vikes-finish-second-usports-national-championships/ (unknown provenance). No byline; who wrote this?
• https://govikesgo.com/sports/womens-rugby/roster/Fall%202023 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Same goes for anything else from that domain, as it's the Vikes' website.
• We can't use https://canadawest.org/sports/wrugby/index (too sparse). League standings.
• I can't assess https://usports.ca/en/championships/rugby/f (Technical barrier). The page is trying to load a tonne of data all at once, and it's causing my browser to hang.
• Both BC Rugby league pages are useless for notability (too sparse). Match schedules.

None of the sources you provide that I can assess are any good. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 21:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, have a look at the following examples and tell us what you think. I'm not going after articles out of spite, and these are only examples at the same institution, but I don't see any reliable secondary references in those articles by the standards you described:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Vikes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Vikes_women%27s_basketball

If we start applying those standards universally, almost all University Varsity sport program articles would come crashing down. TruthIsLikeGravity (talk) 00:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

And neither were drafted. Victoria Vikes predates the drafting process altogether (first edit 2005/Jan/23); the article on the woman's basketball team was made directly in mainspace by an auto-confirmed editor who should in all honesty know better. I'm more than happy to send both articles to WP:Articles for Deletion for you, since you seem more interested in using them as camel's noses in tents rather than improving them so that they meet Wikipedia policies. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 00:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

You made an unfounded assertion about my interests (re: camel's noses).

Nevertheless, would you say then that there is likely a large number of varsity sport articles that would not be in compliance with current standards if they were reviewed? TruthIsLikeGravity (talk) 01:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

If you're only interested in using these articles to argue for your own, then by all means WP:Village pump (policy) and WT:Notability are that way. But this page is not the place to try to sneak in an argument to change our policies in that regard by using articles that are tangential to your draft, and every argument you make on that front is time that could be better spent looking for better sources for your articles. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 02:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

April 17

00:41, 17 April 2024 review of submission by Sycco Mehara

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  • User:Sycco Mehara/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Recovery Gmail password Sycco Mehara (talk) 00:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sycco Mehara: We don't accept blank submissions. (We also cannot help with any sort of password recovery.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 00:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

02:12, 17 April 2024 review of submission by Cdsweezy

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  • Properly Citing Offline Sources ie: Newspaper clippings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'm writing up a page for a World War 1 army officer who served in France and later was a member of the city council in Little Rock, Arkansas.

Problem is there is very little online about the person of interest since he died in 1980. The wiki submission was denied for lack of sources.

He was my great grandfather so I have quite a bit of material about him. Lots of newspaper clippings from the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, whom he wrote letters to during the War to keep the locals informed. I tried searching their archives for the clippings circa 1918, but no luck.

Any suggestions for how/where to find the original source, or how to properly cite the newspaper clippings? Cdsweezy (talk) 02:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cdsweezy: use {{cite news}} (you will need to use the source editor; Visual Editor screws templates up) and fill in the last1, first1, date, work, title, and page (or pages) parameters. This will provide the credited author, date the story was run, the paper it was run in, the article title/headline, and the pages it was on - the bare minimum required for an offline newspaper citation. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 02:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

03:38, 17 April 2024 review of submission by Mani G 36

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  • Draft:OG Das (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

how to resubmit

Mani G 36 (talk) 03:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mani G 36: This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. I will also take the liberty of assessing your sources:

• We can't use Reference 1 (no editorial oversight). Just because he scored a movie does not mean he is notable per Wikipedia's definition because of it.
• Reference 2 needs to point to a news article where he is listed as winning those awards, not to another Wikipedia article.
• We can't link to, let alone use, Reference 3 (copyright violation). Lyrics enjoy copyright protections, and so we generally can't link to random lyrics websites.
• We can't use https://my793478-og-nanba-records.contact.page/ (too sparse). Content-free profile.
• We can't use https://video-indian.my/og-nanba-song-alaigalanathu/ (unknown provenance). Videos are only usable if (1) created by an outlet which we would ordinarily consider to be reliable and (2) uploaded to that outlet's verified channel. Random videos won't cut it in the slightest.
• http://itimes.my/mywood-scooter-vandi/ is useless for notability (wrong subject). This is about the song and not Das.
• We can't use https://dailymmnews.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/preview-og-nanba-is-back-with-scooter-vandi-with-kash-villanz/ (too sparse, unknown provenance). It's a two-sentence blog post under a role byline, where most of the content is random YouTube videos we can't cite and wouldn't be citing this way if we could.
• https://varnam.my/87224/og-nanba-marks-25-glorious-years-with-a-much-awaited-new-single-release/ is useless for notability (wrong subject). This is about a rap group he's in, not about Das.

Hope this helps. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 03:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mani G 36 Do not remove the rejection notices. I have re-added them. Qcne (talk) 07:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

05:11, 17 April 2024 review of submission by أزهري١٢٣

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  • Draft:عائلة الأزهري (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Not notable enough أزهري١٢٣ (talk) 05:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@أزهري١٢٣: that's correct; hence why it has been rejected. Did you have a question you wanted to ask? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

07:36, 17 April 2024 review of submission by Aigbefoh justice

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  • Draft:Anirudha Uttam Seolekar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Guide me on how my Wikipedia creation for article can be accepted Aigbefoh justice (talk) 07:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Aigbefoh justice I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft as intended. Your draft is poorly sourced. Three of the sources you provided are to Wikipedia; Wikipedia articles cannot be used to source other Wikipedia articles, see WP:CIRCULAR. The only other source you provide is a school website which just documents this person went to school there. Any article about this person needs to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about them, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Please see Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia and what is being looked for in article content. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to perform here. 331dot (talk) 07:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

11:25, 17 April 2024 review of submission by Protoj

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  • Draft:Brackett Elementary School (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello wikipedians I am hoping to get some help on what I may be able to do better or add to my submission. I recently sent it now for review and was denied. protoj (talk) 11:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Protoj: we need to see evidence that the subject is notable. This requires multiple secondary sources (newspapers, magazines, TV or radio programmes, books, etc.) that provide significant coverage (not just passing mentions) of it, and that are both reliable and entirely independent of the subject. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

PS: I should probably add that the vast majority of schools are not notable, so don't be too disappointed if you can't find the necessary sources. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

14:38, 17 April 2024 review of submission by Amiridiwan.qa

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  • Draft:Mohammed bin Abdullah Al-Thani (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'm trying to create this article for the son of Sheikh Abdullah bin Khalifa Al Thani please help me in this manner Amiridiwan.qa (talk) 14:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Amiridiwan.qa there is no indication a child of an ex-Prime Minister merits a Wikipedia article at this time. Qcne (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

You also added unsourced text to Abdullah_bin_Khalifa_Al_Thani, which I have now removed. Qcne (talk) 14:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

15:09, 17 April 2024 review of submission by Myzamorra

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  • User:Myzamorra/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

May I know why my page is rejected ?? Myzamorra (talk) 15:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Indeffed. Qcne (talk) 15:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

15:15, 17 April 2024 review of submission by Jebondz

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  • Draft:Muhammad Faizal Zainol (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Need an assistnace on this "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia." issue. Jebondz (talk) 15:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jebondz if a person does not meet our notability threshold there can be no article. There is no indication that Muhammad Faizal Zainol meets this standard, therefore I have rejected the draft (twice) and it can not be an article at this time. Qcne (talk) 15:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

To expand on that, I will assess the sources you cite. Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:

• We don't cite LinkedIn (connexion to subject, too sparse).
• Both i3investor.com sources are useless for notability (connexion to subject). The only part of either we could actually cite would be the "Working Experience" section, which is almost certainly written by him or at his behest.
• We can't use Bloomberg profiles (too sparse).
• We can't use https://mifa-i4.my/committee-members/board-members/ (too sparse) and even if we could it would be useless for notability (connexion to subject).

None of your sources are in any way usable. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 15:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

17:33, 17 April 2024 review of submission by Stephen.akachain.io

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  • Draft:Utop (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

We are Utop company. We got reject many times and my article be marked can not resubmit. Could you please help give a chance to allow us resolve the issues Stephen.akachain.io (talk) 17:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

You are obligated to disclose your employment. None of your sources are any good - we don't cite online storefronts, your first source has no byline (and reads like a press release regardless), and your second source has nothing to cite. The rejection seems proper; Wikipedia is not your billboard. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 18:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

23:19, 17 April 2024 review of submission by Keppard123

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  • Draft:COMPOSITION album (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I do not understand why my article was rejected (although I appreciate the fast response). I included footnotes for 5 reviews of the recording, and in the article I gave short excerpts of each one. 5 reviews is pretty good for a recording, and there are actually more that could be included. Keppard123 (talk) 23:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Keppard123 I fixed your link for proper display. Please see referencing for beginners to learn more about how to format references. 331dot (talk) 23:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. Does that mean that the article is being accepted or do I have to come up with more references/reviews? Keppard123 (talk) 23:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

You will need to resubmit it for it to be considered again, but the referencing style needs to be fixed first. 331dot (talk) 23:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

April 18

08:26, 18 April 2024 review of submission by 2A01:36D:1200:94F:1124:669:E55F:EAC8

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  • Draft:Articles for deletion/Wrightspeed X1 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can anyone move this to the AFDs? 2A01:36D:1200:94F:1124:669:E55F:EAC8 (talk) 08:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

This isn't an AfC matter, as that 'draft' was never meant to be a draft in the first place. Besides, you've already asked for help at the Teahouse; please don't ask in several places, as that's redundant. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

08:36, 18 April 2024 review of submission by 194.75.93.220

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  • Draft:Special Interest Group of Municipal Authorities (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

How can I evidence that this subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article? Equivalent Special Interest Groups and other local government sector bodies, such as the National Association of Local Councils, District Councils' Network, County Councils Network and Core Cities Group, have an equivalent range of sources to what I have provided, but still have a Wikipedia page. 194.75.93.220 (talk) 08:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:ORG, you need to provide multiple sources that meet the WP:GNG notability standard. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

09:33, 18 April 2024 review of submission by Md. Muqtadir Fuad

• Md. Muqtadir Fuad (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:BADHAN (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Actually I have created this page named BADHAN from this reference https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%81%E0%A6%A7%E0%A6%A8 And recently I am working as a volunteer of this organization. This is an one of the biggest humanitarian organizations in Bangladesh. I think you should reconsider this draft to publish in English Wikipedia. Regards Md. Muqtadir Fuad Md. Muqtadir Fuad (talk) 09:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Md. Muqtadir Fuad: I've already answered on my talk page, please don't post the same request in several places. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Understood Md. Muqtadir Fuad (talk) 09:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

10:04, 18 April 2024 review of submission by Deepaknarwal003

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  • Draft:Deepak Narwal (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Why it deleted? Deepaknarwal003 (talk) 10:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Deepaknarwal003: Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a platform for self-promotion or 'telling the world about yourself'. Try LinkedIn etc. instead. And please read the notices posted on your talk page. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I am a public figure, social media influencer with more than 200k followers, acting done in Sons kf the soil, and indian kabaddi player, so for real and authentic info this page is important for social media verification of real accounts Deepaknarwal003 (talk) 10:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

That's as may be, but nothing in what you say negates anything I said. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Tell me a international kabaddi player deserves a wikipedia page or not??? You can search on google for real proofs:- Deepak Narwal is a professional kabaddi player, social media influencer and well known person on internet who has more than 200k pkus followers, please don't delete page its important for social media verification. Deepak narwal have a imdb page also who worked in Sons of the soil & Pro Kabaddi league. Deepaknarwal003 (talk) 11:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Deepaknarwal003: you seem to be misunderstanding what is required for an article to be accepted. Your content is first of all completely unreferenced (and no, a Twitter link doesn't count), which is totally unacceptable in articles on living people. Secondly, there is zero evidence of notability, which is demonstrated through sources, not by being "a [sic] international kabaddi player" or having X number of social media followers. And finally, as I've already explained, you shouldn't be writing about yourself, no matter what; see WP:AUTOBIO for explanation of why this is. And to make matters worse, you keep spamming us with this content incessantly. My advice is to stop now, before you find yourself blocked. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:15, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

11:14:41, 18 April 2024 review of submission by Hannah Zacharias

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Hannah Zacharias (talk) 11:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Hannah Zacharias: I assume you're here regarding  Courtesy link: Draft:Clara Biermasz – what would you like to ask? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I am sorry but since I am a pianist, this is hard for me. I created this account under an alias. My name is Clara, my website is https://www.clarabiermasz.com/. I am a pianist and i am trying to create my own wikipedia page. I used the information i created for my website. As you can imagine, i am not a copywriter therefore i only created once a text that i plan on using everywhere. Please let me know how to proceed with the draft publishing as it is now rejected due to copyright. Thank you! Hannah Zacharias (talk) 11:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Hannah Zacharias Wikipedia is not perosnal web space. It is an encyclopaedia of notable topics. One does not have "one's own Wikipedia page", articles are written on notable entities. Do you pass WP:NMUSICIAN? If you do it is acceptable to draft an article in Draft: space, submitting it for review. It needs to be neutral prose.

Further, For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Hannah Zacharias Now, if, and only if, you qualify under WP:NMUSICIAN it is possible to re-use your copyright text if it is freely licenced for onward use. You can handle that on your web page by using a licence like the one Wikipedia uses. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

13:14, 18 April 2024 review of submission by Ad1959

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-DoubleGrazing has been deliberately rejecting the drafts can someone help me get this article published as i have been in contact with some people linked with the personality and has been asked to publish this article, thank you in advance. Ad1959 (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

For info: this matter is now at ANI. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

User is now blocked, as is their alternate account, User:Abhirup2441139. Drmies (talk) 13:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Drmies. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

13:40, 18 April 2024 review of submission by FlorinCornianu

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  • Draft:123FormBuilder (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello! What other resources should I include in my draft? What it is missing particularly? FlorinCornianu (talk) 13:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@FlorinCornianu: Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:

• https://www.ceotodaymagazine.com/2020/04/building-web-forms-revolutionised/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview with company principal.
• https://engage.eif.org/eif-in-romania/success-stories/overlay/123formbuilder/ is 404-compliant. (It points me to a landing page with a link to the company's entry; clicking on that returns a 404 Not Found error.)
• https://www.superbcrew.com/123formbuilder-helps-users-without-technical-skills-create-any-type-of-online-form/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview with company principal.
• We can't use https://www.eif.org/what_we_do/resources/case-studies/jeremie-123-form-builder-romania.htm (unknown provenance). No byline; who wrote this? (We're sceptical of articles written under role/no bylines because they almost always didn't undergo an editorial and fact-checking process.) Even if we could use it, it would be useless for notability (connexion to subject) as EIF helped fund 123.
• https://www.starterstory.com/online-forms-surveys-tool is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Written by company principal.
• https://www.prlog.org/12009450-123contactform-launches-form-making-app-for-wix-website-builder.html is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Clearly-labeled press release.
• https://socpub.com/articles/123contactform-launches-123-form-builder-weebly-15050 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Press release.
• https://www.romania-insider.com/catalyst-romania-puts-eur-1-mln-in-local-software-developer is useless for notability (routine coverage). Funding news.
• We can't use https://appexchange.salesforce.com/appxListingDetail?listingId=a0N3000000DylJTEAZ&tab=e (online storefront).
• We can't use https://cloudmybiz.com/app-of-the-week-123-form-builder-create-forms-collect-data-and-generate-leads/ (too sparse). Extremely perfunctory review that barely says anything about 123.
• Anything PRNewswire/Cision puts out is useless for notability as they only ever publish press releases (connexion to subject).
• https://enlyft.com/tech/products/123formbuilder is useless for notability (too sparse). Pretty much a content-free profile.
• https://mixergy.com/interviews/123formbuilder-with-florin-cornianu/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview with company principal.
• We can't use https://www.g2.com/categories/online-form-builder (too sparse, connexion to subject). Listicle-styled app comparison, with each entry having a marketing blurb written by/on behalf of the apps' makers.
• We can't use Medium (no editorial oversight).
• https://www.capterra.com/resources/free-survey-software/ is borderline-usable, definitely a bit more on the skimpy side when it comes to information to cite.
• We can't use https://www.getapp.com/website-ecommerce-software/a/123contactform/features/ (online storefront).
• We can't use https://www.g2.com/products/123formbuilder/reviews#details (too sparse). Content-free profile.
• We can't use https://www.spotsaas.com/product/123formbuilder (online storefront).
• We can't use https://www.saasworthy.com/product/123formbuilder (too sparse). Other than the uncredited (and likely company-written) blurb in the "product description" section there's nothing to cite.

You have only one usable source ( https://www.websiteplanet.com/form-builders/123formbuilder/#overview ) and even then I'm not fully convinced this is usable, but it is your best source by a mile. One source by itself cannot support an article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 15:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

16:07, 18 April 2024 review of submission by Rincemermaid

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  • Draft:Fido Awards (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is the first time that I'm creating a Wikipedia page for something and I need some tips to make sure that it would get declined again. Rincemermaid (talk) 16:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rincemermaid: You have only one source, and it's the awards' own website. Even if it were a in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-the-Fido-Awards news/scholarly source that discusses the awards at length, is written by identifiable authors, and subjected to rigourous editorial and fact-checking processes, one source by itself is not enough to support any Wikipedia article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 16:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I added some more references. Is there any else that I need to do? Rincemermaid (talk) 16:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't see where they've been added. Even purging my cache doesn't show new sources. Stand by while I assess them. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 16:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Ridiculous promotional marketing... "These prestigious awards recognize standout canine talents from all UK cinema releases throughout the year."? Theroadislong (talk) 16:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rincemermaid: Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode. I will skip over your first source.

• https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/mar/09/dog-film-stars-doggy-oscars-fido-award-anatomy-of-a-fall-barbie-napoleon looks good.
• We can't use https://thedogsbusiness.pro/fido-awards-2024-celebrating-canine-stars/ (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this? (We're sceptical of sources under role/no bylines because they almost always bypassed the outlet's editorial/fact-checking processes.)
• https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/messi-anatomy-of-a-fall-dog-oscars-academy-awards-1235845408/ is a non-sequitur.
• https://deadline.com/2024/03/fido-awards-2024-anatomy-of-a-fall-canine-star-messi-finally-gets-his-oscar-moment-1235854967/ looks good.
• We can't use https://missdarcy.org/and-the-award-goes-to/ (no editorial oversight). Random blog.

One thing I will note is that the lot of these are about the '24 awards. If the award has been around since 2007 as the article claims it shouldn't be too difficult to find news reports for earlier awards cycles, and doing that would help with notability. With that said, as TRiL notes, the article would need to be heavily rewritten based on the good sources you have (the KISS principle applies to Wikipedia writing). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 16:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I've removed https://thedogsbusiness.pro/fido-awards-2024-celebrating-canine-stars/ , https://missdarcy.org/and-the-award-goes-to/, https://thedogsbusiness.pro/fido-awards-2024-celebrating-canine-stars/ , and https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/messi-anatomy-of-a-fall-dog-oscars-academy-awards-1235845408/. I did find two The Guardians about the Fido Awards from 2009, here are the links: https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2009/nov/23/fido-awards-dogs-cinema , https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2009/nov/16/fido-award-canine-oscarsRincemermaid (talk) 16:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Both of those Grauniad sources look good. I'd say you might have enough to show notability with those; the question now turns to rewriting the article based off of the information in the three Grauniad and one Deadline Hollywood source you have at present. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 17:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

19:00, 18 April 2024 review of submission by Kswuid

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I dont understand why my submission was rejected as i feel like it perfectly aligned with the purpose of wikipedia and was sufficiently informative Kswuid (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

It was completely unsourced, you have much to learn about Wikipedia; please use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

19:47, 18 April 2024 review of submission by Nelsenbrockfan

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Hello, what can I do to get my article allowed? Nelsenbrockfan (talk) 19:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

There is nothing you can do, it has been rejected. 331dot (talk) 19:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

20:21, 18 April 2024 review of submission by Nyjja

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  • Draft:Subtitlers' Association (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

We added a new section and a new source to the article. Would it be possible to submit it again, please? Nyjja (talk) 20:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Nyjja. Rejection usually means the end of the road for a draft, but you can reach out to the last reviewer @MaxnaCarta if you believe the draft has fundamentally changed since the rejection. Qcne (talk) 07:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

20:36, 18 April 2024 review of submission by DeclanMiner2005

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  • Draft:ByteTech RoadPad (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I tried to write this draft better, and I will try again to write it better so it can be accepted. I am sorry, Wikipedia. I wish you a great day! :) DeclanMiner2005 (talk) 20:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry @DeclanMiner2005, the draft has been rejected so cannot be re-submitted. It is not a viable encyclopaedic article in it's current state. Maybe try writing a Blog? Qcne (talk) 07:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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00:22, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Keppard123

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  • Draft:COMPOSITION album (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Why was my entry rejected again? The reviewer did not leave an explanation. The previous reviewers wanted more references. I included quite a few. Please tell me what I am doing wrong so this can be accepted. The guitarist in question is a world class player and this is an important release. Thanks! Keppard123 (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

And why would you call this a test edit? This is a serious entry. Please respond when you can. Keppard123 (talk) 01:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Keppard123: The issue is that the draft is almost entirely critical reception, a tracklist, and credits; it should be a summary of what the album is, how it was produced, and the critical reception of it. Compare 1987 (What the Fuck Is Going On?) or Odyssey Number Five, which are featured-class articles on albums. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 06:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

06:19, 19 April 2024 review of submission by TALARI ARUN KUMAR

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  • Draft:Traits of a Successful salesperson (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I edited my article named "Traits of a successful salesperson". Please refer and approve it TALARI ARUN KUMAR (talk) 06:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@TALARI ARUN KUMAR: We do not host op-eds. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 06:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

06:24, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Prathiksha1996

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  • Draft:FloCareer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, this is the third time I am writing this article can you please help me which point sounds like an advertisement here so that I can edit it accordingly Prathiksha1996 (talk) 06:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Prathiksha1996: Before we continue, what is your connexion to FloCareer? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 06:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

(Blocked as sock.) DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

09:24, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Eeeenah0209

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  • Draft:KWV House of Brandy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi There,

My recent submission has been declined for the following reason:

Resubmitted with no meaningful improvement, previous decline(s) still apply. Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at KWV South Africa instead.

The following article is on KWV Brandy, a label under the KWV umbrella, and therefore needs its own page. The existing KWV page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWV_South_Africa) simply states the history and origin of the brand. The purpose of my article is to give more information about KWV Brandy and its varieties, along with all of its awards. Is there a there perhaps a way forward?

Eeeenah0209 (talk) 09:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Eeeenah0209: if you can show that KWV House of Brandy is independently notable, then it may be possible to have a separate article on it. (I'm not saying even then we necessarily should have a separate article, but it would be at least possible.)

Could you please respond to the conflict-of-interest query on your talk page? Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

10:25, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Zeeyas

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  • Draft:Shehu Musa Yar'Adua Foundation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

According to my article reviewer, the article was declined due to insufficient published sources that are in-depth, reliable, secondary, and strictly independent of the subject. However, I believe that the references provided meet these criteria. I kindly need assistance in updating the article in a manner acceptable to Wikipedia. Zeeyas (talk) 10:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Zeeyas: so that we don't have to plough through nearly 50 (!) citations, could you please list here the three strongest ones in terms of meeting the WP:GNG / WP:ORG guideline, namely: secondary sources that provide significant coverage, directly of the subject, and that are both reliable and entirely independent of the subject. Note that passing mentions, routine business reporting, anything where a representative of the organisation is commenting or being interviewed, and anything that is based on press releases, sponsored content or other material originating with the organisation do not count. Thank you, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing Kindly see below a list of our three strongest citations based on the criteria:

1. https://www.macfound.org/grantee/shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation-39438/
2. https://luminategroup.com/investee/yaradua
3. https://statehouse.gov.sl/sierra-leones-president-julius-maada-bio-seeks-partnership-towards-promoting-purposeful-leadership-with-a-symbolic-visit-to-the-shehu-musa-yaradua-centre-nigeria/

Thank you. Zeeyas (talk) 13:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Zeeyas: DoubleGrazing may not be willing to take the time to assess 50 sources, but I am. Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:

• We can't use https://www.developmentaid.org/organizations/view/153907/shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation (too sparse). Content-free profile.
• Everything that is on the yaraduafoundation.org domain is useless for notability (connexion to subject).
• https://www.macfound.org/grantee/shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation-39438/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). As they've granted money to SMYF, they are considered to be affiliated with them. This is one of the three sources you proffered above.
• Reference 5 is missing required bibliographical information (page #).
• We can't use Find A Grave (no editorial oversight). Find A Grave's content is user-generated and not vetted, and pages there may contain plagiarised content.
• https://web.archive.org/web/20150627233756/http://www.punchng.com/news/buhari-to-speak-about-certificate-controversy-today/ is a non-sequitur. If a source does not so much as mention SMYF, then there's no chance it's a useful source in an encyclopaedia article about it.
• Reference 8 is missing required bibliographical information (page #).
• I cannot assess the Katsina Post article (technical barrier). Clicking the link instead queries localhost (i.e. my own computer).
• https://www.manpower.com.ng/people/15786/shehu-musa-yaradua is a non-sequitur. Coverage of the person doesn't equal coverage of the organisation that bears his name. We also couldn't cite this anyway (unknown provenance).
• Reference 11 is a duplicate of the Katsina Post cite.
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/06/08/a-quiet-revolt-against-abacha/e238a23e-0eae-4b35-9161-878003326486/ is a non-sequitur.
• https://www.irishtimes.com/news/nigerian-political-prisoner-dies-1.135778 is a non-sequitur. I'll be very blunt here: Every source that is about Shehu Musa Yar'Adua needs to be used in an article about him specifically - not in an article about the Foundation that bears his name.
• https://guardian.ng/opinion/remembering-shehu-yaradua-20-years-after/ is a non-sequitur, and we couldn't cite it anyways as it's an op-ed (no editorial oversight).
• I cannot assess https://allafrica.com/stories/200803101007.html (walled).
• https://statehouse.gov.sl/sierra-leones-president-julius-maada-bio-seeks-partnership-towards-promoting-purposeful-leadership-with-a-symbolic-visit-to-the-shehu-musa-yaradua-centre-nigeria/ is useless for notability (too sparse, gov't document). The Foundation is barely even mentioned as the article is more about Bio's actions at the Shehu Musa Yar'Adua Centre and comparing him to Shehu Musa Yar'Adua, and it's put out by Sierra Leone's government. This is one of the three sources you proffered above.
• We can't use https://www.fordfoundation.org/work/our-grants/awarded-grants/grants-database/shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation-147904/ (too sparse, connexion to subject). Granted money to SMYF, and the page has practically no content to cite.
• " " " https://luminategroup.com/investee/yaradua (" ", " " "). " " " ", " " " " " " " " ". This is one of the three sources you proffered above.
• We can't use https://www.devex.com/organizations/shehu-musa-yar-adua-foundation-smyf-112335 (too sparse). Content-free profile.
• https://www.newswire.com/news/yaradua-foundation-and-the-european-union-to-host-documentary is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Newswire only ever publishes press releases, so this was written by or on behalf of SMYF.
• https://blueprint.ng/women-should-be-recognised-as-drivers-of-sustainable-development-atiku-adejuwon/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview with organisation principal.
• https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/11/unn-shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation-launch-whistle-blowing-portal-to-fight-sexual-harassment/ is useless for notability (routine coverage). Coverage of a launch of an online portal.
• https://www.fordfoundation.org/work/our-grants/awarded-grants/grants-database/shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation-135030/ has the exact same problems as the previous Ford Foundation cite (too sparse, connexion to subject).
• I am unsure if WE ACT is a reliable source by itself as far as reliability goes.
• Reference 26 is a duplicate of the Newswire cite.
• https://ace.soas.ac.uk/presentation-by-soas-ace-to-the-yaradua-foundation-in-nigeria/ is useless for notability (wrong topic). This is a 22-minute long presentation to SMYF lobbying them to rely on ACE's research.
• We can't use https://abujacityng.com/shehu-musa-yaradua-centre/ (too sparse). Photo gallery of a property.
• We can't use https://www.showsbee.com/company-1614-Shehu-Musa-YarAdua-Center.html (too sparse). Too short to cite, and in any event is about their HQ, not the Foundation proper.
• We can't use Reference 33 (wrong topic). This looks like part of a programme for a film festival, focusing on a documentary SMYF put out?
• https://guardian.ng/news/climate-change-threatens-agriculture-food-security-in-nigeria/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Article barely mentions the Foundation and doesn't discuss it at any length.
• We can't use https://www.eelive.ng/short-film-iamnotcorrupt-starts-the-conversation-every-nigerian-must-have/ (unknown provenance). Role byline. Even if we could cite it it'd be useless for notability (wrong topic).
• The This Day story is useless for notability (too sparse). Mentioned once in the article's lede and never again, with most of the article being effectively an op-ed by Monica Osagie.
• I cannot assess Reference 37 (technical barrier). Even if I could, it'd be useless for notability (gov't document).
• We can't cite random YouTube videos (unknown provenance). YouTube (and other video sites) can only be cited if (1) the video in question is published by an outlet we would ordinarily consider reliable and (2) that video is uploaded to that outlet's verified channel.
• https://www.datagovernancehub.org/partnership/job-vacancy-consultant-evaluation-of-the-joint-civic-defense-fund-2020-2022- is useless for notability (too sparse). This appears to be a job-opening post about something tangentially-related to SMYF.
• https://www.partnersnigeria.org/sexual-harrassment-in-the-workplace/ appears to be a non-sequitur? It's useless for notability in any event (wrong topic).
• https://carmenmccain.com/2016/04/04/nowhere-to-run-wins-grand-jury-prize-at-the-green-me-film-festival-lagos-and-draws-further-attention-to-the-plight-of-the-ekuri-forest/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Blog of a filmmaker who worked on a documentary funded by SMYF.
• https://citypsalm.wordpress.com/2016/07/04/nowhere-to-run-wins-best-documentary-short-at-the-african-film-festival-taff-dallas-and-screens-6-more-times-this-week-in-abuja-dc-and-linden-nj/ is a non-sequitur, and we couldn't cite it in the first place as it's a random blog (no editorial oversight).
• https://carmenmccain.com/2016/07/04/nowhere-to-run-wins-best-documentary-short-at-the-african-film-festival-taff-dallas-and-screens-6-more-times-this-week-in-abuja-dc-and-linden-nj/ is a non-sequitur, but given it's talking about the same film as the first Carmen McCain source, it's useless for notability even if it weren't (connexion to subject).
• https://www.ekoiff.org/official-selection-2016-eko-international-film-festival/ is a non-sequitur. Everything here about Nowhere to Run does nothing for the article about SMYF, as they're barely even mentioned, if at all, in those sources.
• https://www.bebeakinboade.com/2016/11/afriff-globe-awards-2016-full-list-of.html is a non-sequitur.
• https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/movies/homevida-awards-2016-oloibiri-nowhere-to-run-win-big-at-7th-edition/92j2p9m " " "-".
• https://dailytrust.com/oloibiri-nowhere-to-run-bag-2016-homevida-awards/ " " "-".

None of the sources you have that I could assess are usable in any way. Please read WP:Reliable sources and WP:Notability (companies and organisations) and look for better sources. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 16:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

13:31, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Shark4124

• Shark4124 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Said Gul (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I cannot submit it,because it says "ratelimited" what i gotta do? Shark4124 (talk) 13:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Shark4124 I fixed your post to provide the correct link to your draft. I'm not sure about your issue, but your draft would not be accepted if you submitted it, as it has no independent reliable sources summarized. Wikipedia articles cannot be used to source other Wikipedia articles, per WP:CIRCULAR. 331dot (talk) 13:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

The source are hard to find,sorry. Because it really rare. Shark4124 (talk) 13:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Shark4124 Sources are a must; you should have them in hand before starting to write a draft. Sources do not need to be online, a book in a library is fine.

If sources are hard to find, how do you know about this man? 331dot (talk) 13:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

I got in from the youtube actually (sorry if i say "youtube") ill change it bro. Because it a bit confusing,sorry! Shark4124 (talk) 14:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks bro,appreciate that for the suggestions, i able to submit it Shark4124 (talk) 14:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

14:18, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Revbunmi

• Revbunmi (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:OLUBUNMI ADELEYE THOMAS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I know very well of the subject matter; Olubunmi Adeleye Thomas, he is an unpublished personality very few is online about him and the Oyo State Government official website has information about him at www.bunmithomas.org.ng and knowing him to be an human right activist and clergy in Ibadan the most populous city in Nigeria, he ought to be on wikipedia. please i recommend that you call for articles concerning him. thank you. Revbunmi (talk) 14:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Revbunmi If there are few sources about this man, he would not merit a Wikipedia article at this time. We do not place phone calls here searching for sources, it's up to you to provide them. 331dot (talk) 14:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

15:42, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Fanindradev

• Fanindradev (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Fanindra Bhardwaj (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I’m trying to add a biography page of Fanindra bhardwaj he is music producer and songwriter please help me to add a title for fanindra bhardwaj and please suggest me which reference needed in submission [[ user:fanindradev]] (talk) 15:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)