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*'''Redirect''' Per MoonJet - despite character lists being valid spin-offs, Wikipedia isn't TVTropes and there has to be ''something'' to go on to show notability. As it is, people are better served by checking the TVTropes character list. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 14:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Redirect''' Per MoonJet - despite character lists being valid spin-offs, Wikipedia isn't TVTropes and there has to be ''something'' to go on to show notability. As it is, people are better served by checking the TVTropes character list. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 14:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Redirect'''. Nothing more to say. [[User:Greenish Pickle!|<span style="background:green;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Greenish</span> Pickle!</span>]] ([[User talk:Greenish Pickle!|🔔]]) 23:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Redirect'''. Nothing more to say. [[User:Greenish Pickle!|<span style="background:green;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Greenish</span> Pickle!</span>]] ([[User talk:Greenish Pickle!|🔔]]) 23:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. While there is lot of plot summary fancruft, I think this passes NLIST. Aside of numerous game guides/tier lists and such that one can easily find, here are some more analytical soruces. Theya are not great (listiclis is common here), but IMHO likely sufficient for keeping this as a stand-alone list: 1) TheGamer 2020 - not a listicle: "[https://www.thegamer.com/fate-grand-order-go-servant-characters-essay/ Fate/Grand Order: My Servants Have My Back]" 2) ScreenRant 2020: "[https://screenrant.com/fate-grand-order-weird-fgo-real-life-servants/ Fate/Grand Order's Weirdest Real-Life Historical Figures]" 3) TheGamer 2020 - article about a specific minor character [https://www.thegamer.com/fate-grand-order-lobo-character-essay/ https://www.thegamer.com/fate-grand-order-lobo-character-essay/]" 4) GameRant 2023 listicle "[https://gamerant.com/fate-grand-order-best-5-star-servants/ https://gamerant.com/fate-grand-order-best-5-star-servants/]" 5) ScreenRant 2022 listicle "[https://screenrant.com/fate-grand-order-top-servants-coming-english-ranked/ Fate/Grand Order: The Top 10 Servants Coming to English, Ranked]" 5) CBR 2020 listicle "[https://www.cbr.com/fate-grand-order-absolute-demonic-front-babylonia-character-guide-servants/ https://www.cbr.com/fate-grand-order-absolute-demonic-front-babylonia-character-guide-servants/]" 6) academic (if likely low tier journal) article profiling another FGO minor character: [https://journal.binus.ac.id/index.php/jggag/article/view/9113 Baihaqi, Iqbal, Hafiz Aziz Ahmad, and Dana Waskita. "Adaptation of historical figures into mobile game characters (case study: Hijikata Toshizo from Fate/Grand Order)." Journal of Games, Game Art, and Gamification 7, no. 2 (2022): 21-28.] 7) another academic article this time covering multiple characters [https://munin.uit.no/handle/10037/28534 Tomotani, João V., and Rodrigo Brincalepe Salvador. "Testing the Astolfo Effect on newly-released servants in Fate/Grand Order." (2022).] 8) again, an academic study of one of the characters [https://journals.rudn.ru/literary-criticism/article/view/38093 Yosugandi, Evan Marchel, and Hendra Kaprisma. "Historical figures in “Fate/Grand Order”: adapting Anastasia Romanova." RUDN Journal of Studies in Literature and Journalism 28, no. 4 (2023): 712-723.] 9) there are various more or less SIGCOV-meeting discussions of FGO characters in a number of other academic works, I'll just leave two examples: academic book chapter on [https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=lZOSEAAAQBAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&lpg=PA187 Community-based history learning: Fate/Grand Order's Online Fan Networks] and an academic article [https://www.academia.edu/88222622/Informal_Strategies_for_Learning_History_in_Japanese_Mass_Media_Visual_Culture_A_Case_Study_of_the_Mobile_Game_Fate_Grand_Order Informal Strategies for Learning History in Japanese Mass Media Visual Culture: A Case Study of the Mobile Game Fate/Grand Order]--<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 02:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC) |
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While I'm a big fan of Fate/Grand Order as a game, I feel this list is a behemoth that ultimately fails notability on its own, and has become more of a cruft dragon that doesn't really explain why these characters are important. The bigger issue though is a notability one: while Fate itself definitely has reactions, the harder argument is that FGO's characters on their own do in an overarching way that makes it work for WP:N or WP:LISTN.
Even reception for Mash and Ritsuka would be more for them, and that could be worked into the parent game article (and as someone that tried to do a writeup on Mash, I'm not confident the sources are there) Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The article is massive with no substance, cites all of ONE source (Anime News Network), and it might as well be written in Martian for people like me who know nothing about the games. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 03:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above, article doesn't explain why this is a notable list/topic either. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect - I don't think it should be deleted, per WP:PRESERVE and WP:CHEAP, since it does have somewhere to be redirected to, which is the main Fate/Grand Order article. While I find WP:TNT to be applied far too often to articles that are not in a very good state, I think this one of those articles that actually deserves it, should it ever be spun back out. Mash and Ritsuka might be better off with their own articles in this case. MoonJet (talk) 08:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect Per MoonJet - despite character lists being valid spin-offs, Wikipedia isn't TVTropes and there has to be something to go on to show notability. As it is, people are better served by checking the TVTropes character list. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect. Nothing more to say. Greenish Pickle! (🔔) 23:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. While there is lot of plot summary fancruft, I think this passes NLIST. Aside of numerous game guides/tier lists and such that one can easily find, here are some more analytical soruces. Theya are not great (listiclis is common here), but IMHO likely sufficient for keeping this as a stand-alone list: 1) TheGamer 2020 - not a listicle: "Fate/Grand Order: My Servants Have My Back" 2) ScreenRant 2020: "Fate/Grand Order's Weirdest Real-Life Historical Figures" 3) TheGamer 2020 - article about a specific minor character https://www.thegamer.com/fate-grand-order-lobo-character-essay/" 4) GameRant 2023 listicle "https://gamerant.com/fate-grand-order-best-5-star-servants/" 5) ScreenRant 2022 listicle "Fate/Grand Order: The Top 10 Servants Coming to English, Ranked" 5) CBR 2020 listicle "https://www.cbr.com/fate-grand-order-absolute-demonic-front-babylonia-character-guide-servants/" 6) academic (if likely low tier journal) article profiling another FGO minor character: Baihaqi, Iqbal, Hafiz Aziz Ahmad, and Dana Waskita. "Adaptation of historical figures into mobile game characters (case study: Hijikata Toshizo from Fate/Grand Order)." Journal of Games, Game Art, and Gamification 7, no. 2 (2022): 21-28. 7) another academic article this time covering multiple characters Tomotani, João V., and Rodrigo Brincalepe Salvador. "Testing the Astolfo Effect on newly-released servants in Fate/Grand Order." (2022). 8) again, an academic study of one of the characters Yosugandi, Evan Marchel, and Hendra Kaprisma. "Historical figures in “Fate/Grand Order”: adapting Anastasia Romanova." RUDN Journal of Studies in Literature and Journalism 28, no. 4 (2023): 712-723. 9) there are various more or less SIGCOV-meeting discussions of FGO characters in a number of other academic works, I'll just leave two examples: academic book chapter on Community-based history learning: Fate/Grand Order's Online Fan Networks and an academic article Informal Strategies for Learning History in Japanese Mass Media Visual Culture: A Case Study of the Mobile Game Fate/Grand Order--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)