User talk:Bbb23

Wheel War

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Thanks, Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 19:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Peek in on my watchlist, and what's at the top but a Bbb23 arbcom case. In this brave new WP I'm seeing, am I going to get in trouble for calling said case "kind of silly"? Or should I just wink knowingly and you'll know what I mean? Anyway, hi. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Floq. I'm not sure why Guerillero appears to be out for blood, but maybe they just feel strongly about policy and brightline rules. 3RR is supposedly a brightline rule, too, but in practice many admins will overlook it depending on the circumstances. I do feel kind of stupid about what I did, though. I just would have preferred that someone pointed out my stupidity without bringing it to ArbCom's attention. I could live without the stress.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:16, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

As someone who has banged heads with Bbb23 a few times, I think what they said at the Arbcom case page is exactly what should have been said, a perfect example of WP:ADMINACCT and hence why I think the case should be tossed out as a complete waste of time. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

This... is such a stretch. The page was tagged, you looked, you actioned. Could you have checked the deletion log before? Sure, fine, whatever. But an admin improperly undeleting their own page and leaving a CSD tag in place for 15 minutes is a rarity. -- ferret (talk) 14:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Query

Hello, Bbb23,

Back in October, you blocked User:82.23.107.184 for block evasion but didn't name who is the blocked editor you thought was using this account. Well, the IP became active after the block ended including creating some unnecessary orphaned talk page as Redirects tonight. So, can you tell me whether you think this blocked editor has returned? They aren't really doing any damage but I know there are editors who have a low tolerance for that kind of activity so I thought I'd ask you what you were thinking when you imposed the previous block. Thanks and I hope you have a good week! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

It took me a while to figure it out. I reblocked the IP, this time for six months, and deleted the drafts they created per WP:G5. This time, though, I made it easier for other administrators (and me) to figure out who the blocked editor was because I put it in the block log: Special:contributions/91.235.65.22. I suspect that having a good week isn't in the cards, but thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/UniBrill/Archive

Hi, hope you are well. I think the creator of Draft:United States of Biafra is likely to be part of this sock brigade, but I've never done any SPI-stuff. So basically, I wondered if you're interested in doing it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Sorry for the delay in responding, it's been a difficult week. I agree with you and have blocked and tagged accordingly.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Your admin-salary is hereby doubled. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Just a quick personal clarification

I feel it necessary to state to you directly that I respect your response at WP:ARC. I saw it quickly, and I didn't think to mention it to you until now, but I appreciate your responses at the case request, and in my opinion (as well as one of the arbitrators, apparently) they should be shining examples in policy of what administrator accountability looks like. I'm not sure if it means much from me, but for what it's worth, there ya go. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 22:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

A7 of Ajja Jhala

Hey, what makes you delete Ajja Jhala as A7? Based on scholarly sources, he seems to be a notable historical figure from Rajasthan (Google Books). Will you please explain it per WP:ADMINACCT? Maliner (talk) 18:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

At the point I deleted it, there was nothing to it. I see now that it was recreated and expanded.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

You gave the delete summary, "Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject." Since I was slightly active at that time, I can faintly remember that there was some content about the historical figure of Mewar but not about an A7 qualified living person. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, as I don't have the deleted content with me at the moment. Maliner (talk) 19:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

A7 isn't limited to living real people. -- ferret (talk) 19:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That's an automated edit summary when I delete an article that has been tagged as A7. It was an unreferenced piece of nothing. I would have been willing to move it to draft space had someone requested it, but it was not ready for article space at that point.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ferret. I think I am aware that A7 is not only confined to leaving people. I’m just questioning the appropriateness of an administrator deleting an article on a notable historical figure as A7, given that its eligibility can be easily verified through a simple Google search. Maliner (talk) 20:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I can only reply to what you stated above, which was but not about an A7 qualified living person. -- ferret (talk) 21:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

• Maliner, I think we're done here. I explained why I deleted the article. Even if you disagree, the point is moot as the article has been recreated.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Are we having fun yet???-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:15, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

The simplest thing to do here is to either PROD or AfD the article; if multiple people disagree on whether something meets A7 (which, as my essay says, is designed for things like "Mr Blowhard is the principal of Podunk High School, Iowa. He is about 6 feet tall and likes wearing beige."), then it's by definition controversial, and should use another deletion procedure. Anyway, as others have said, this is a moot point as the article has been recreated. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Apologies and Question

I apologize for clerking the noticeboard, but if I may ask, just so I know, what did you mean by “clerking”? I just wanna know so I don’t make the same mistake again. Thatoneguylol101 (talk) 16:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

No precise definition but let's say making comments at an administrative noticeboard that are (1) not really necessary and (2) in a report you have no involvement in. Your comment also used a cue that is usually reserved for administrators, and the comment was after the admin made their decision.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:03, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah, alright. I just like getting involved with things, even if I'm not involved with it. Also, I didn't know the cue was reserved for admins. At least I know now. Thank you :) Thatoneguylol101 (talk) 17:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps a better wording would that the cue is normally used only by admins. Depends on the context, but it's rarely used by relatively inexperienced editors (you).--Bbb23 (talk) 17:31, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh. Ok. Sorry about that. Thatoneguylol101 (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Sock puppet

Hi, I think that User:Liam.hirt is a WP:Sock of User:Lam312321321, they have being editing the English Whisky Guild. ChefBear01 (talk) 18:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't see any other socks editing that article. Did I miss something? Or indeed the other article the user edited. The last check was run by Blablubbs on January 10, but Liam.hirt edited on January 9. Unless Blablubbs wants to do this here, I think you should file a report at WP:SPI for this one.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:39, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It's a bit tenuous, but I ran a check because of the shared interest in English cultural topics, the fact that several Lam socks have used "Liam" in their name (Liamstar2, DdLiam), and the fact that the account was dormant for a long period of time (this sockmaster sometimes revives old accounts). While it's hard to be entirely sure, this account looks like a different person to me. Spicy (talk) 19:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I have seen edits by confirmed WP:SOCK accounts that often have single words on their talk pages and few edits, since this edit fitted the pattern of previous sockpuppet accounts I thought I should let a admin or someone better suited know so that they can report the account as I am not very versed in the sockpuppet policy.

I believe the last check was on a different article and this may have been missed until now.20:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC) ChefBear01 (talk) 20:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

If by "check" you mean what a CheckUser does, checks are not run on articles but on the IPs of the user being checked.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I think that is what I was trying to explain in a roundabout way as I could quite recall the process exactly ChefBear01 (talk) ChefBear01 (talk) 23:03, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

There is a real person called Liam Hirt who is one of the founders of the Circumstance Distillery, and he's quoted in this article in a whisky magazine. He edits under his real name. Our User:Liam.hirt has edited the section of English whisky that talks about Circumstance Distillery, in the fall of 2023. So he has a conflict of interest but doesn't appear to be a sock. The first user to add a mentionof Circumstance Distillery is Bjmvianen, back in 2021, but he looks to be a general-purpose editor and is unlikely to be a sock. Based on the edit that caused ChefBear01 to open this report (which adds Circumstance as one of the founding members of the Guild), someone might leave a COI notice for Liam.hirt. EdJohnston (talk) 04:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)