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issue if we're focusing on southeast Asia when the imperial Chinese ceremony was [https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-the-emperor-of-china-with-a-plough-the-chinese-emperor-ploughs-the-135271694.html more famous and influential by far]. — [[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Llywelyn<span style="color: Gold;">II</span></span>]] 00:46, 23 January 2019 (UTC) |
issue if we're focusing on southeast Asia when the imperial Chinese ceremony was [https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-the-emperor-of-china-with-a-plough-the-chinese-emperor-ploughs-the-135271694.html more famous and influential by far]. — [[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Llywelyn<span style="color: Gold;">II</span></span>]] 00:46, 23 January 2019 (UTC) |
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:According to whom, and when? Searching for "China royal ploughing ceremony" on Google only returns coverage of the current SEA ceremony in Chinese news sites. In any case, the Chinese ceremony should be a separate article, since as far as we know no connection has been shown. --[[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]]) 06:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC) |
:According to whom, and when? Searching for "China royal ploughing ceremony" on Google only returns coverage of the current SEA ceremony in Chinese news sites. In any case, the Chinese ceremony should be a separate article, since as far as we know no connection has been shown. --[[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]]) 06:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC) |
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::According to [https://www.yale-nus.edu.sg/events/william-h-nienhauser-jr-the-significances-of-plowing-in-early-chinese-texts/ general] [https://www.jstor.org/stable/1257670 culture] and [http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/cosmos/irc/emperor.htm history]. If you don't know how to Google, apologies but you might want to work on that. (Don't feel as bad though, since Google [[enshittification|is noticeably worse since the mid-2010s]].) |
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::In any case, once you've brought the Japanese in, obviously you're dealing with the [[Sinosphere]]... the most important component of which was China, which undertook this ritual as a central part of imperial legitimacy for 3000ish years. |
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::More generally, '''the point is that the article needs to pick a lane'''. If it's about royal plowing ceremonies ''generally'', then it needs to be entirely restructured to stop focusing so much on Burma and Thailand. If it ''is'' focused on Burma and/or Thailand, it needs to be ''renamed'' to reflect that and it needs to jettison Japan and other bits of the article into a more general overview anyway. — [[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Llywelyn<span style="color: Gold;">II</span></span>]] 15:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
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issue if we're focusing on southeast Asia when the imperial Chinese ceremony was more famous and influential by far. — LlywelynII 00:46, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- According to whom, and when? Searching for "China royal ploughing ceremony" on Google only returns coverage of the current SEA ceremony in Chinese news sites. In any case, the Chinese ceremony should be a separate article, since as far as we know no connection has been shown. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- According to general culture and history. If you don't know how to Google, apologies but you might want to work on that. (Don't feel as bad though, since Google is noticeably worse since the mid-2010s.)
- In any case, once you've brought the Japanese in, obviously you're dealing with the Sinosphere... the most important component of which was China, which undertook this ritual as a central part of imperial legitimacy for 3000ish years.
- More generally, the point is that the article needs to pick a lane. If it's about royal plowing ceremonies generally, then it needs to be entirely restructured to stop focusing so much on Burma and Thailand. If it is focused on Burma and/or Thailand, it needs to be renamed to reflect that and it needs to jettison Japan and other bits of the article into a more general overview anyway. — LlywelynII 15:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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Ceremony for Cambodia is on Thursday 19 May 2022
That's according to my Khmer lunar calender Sudzydoogiedawg (talk) 11:32, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Oops! That's calendar Sudzydoogiedawg (talk) 11:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
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