Talk:Lina Medina

Concern about how this pregnancy is discussed

In this piece, it reads as though precocious puberty was the cause of this child’s pregnancy. Yes there is a sentence in one section about the father being held and then released on suspicion of child abuse. However, in the effort to be “just the facts” there is an absurd lacunae that ends up colluding with the abuse she clearly suffered. The cause of the pregnancy was child sexual abuse, not precocious puberty. 24.151.78.219 (talk) 14:10, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Rape, not precocious puberty

Lina Medina was a victim of sexual abuse. This article claiming that she was just experience "precocious puberty" is covering up what really happened to her, and is grossly insensitive towards both children's and women's rights and issues. Wikipedia is a source used by many people, and allowing such a dangerous thing to be promoted and misconstrued can result in potential abusers being misinformed and justifying their actions. "Well it's not rape, it's precocious puberty! I can assault children." 24.184.101.129 (talk) 13:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but the thing is, even though that's probably the case, there doesn't seem to be any actual sources reporting that she was sexually abused, so saying that she was would technically be speculation, which isn't allowed under Wikipedia's guidelines. If there's a reliable source that you can point to that says that she was sexually abused, feel free to list it here. 70.124.147.243 (talk) 03:54, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

So, you're claiming that a four year old can consent to sex? Seriously? 76.202.192.102 (talk) 22:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

The four IP comments above stem from a fundamental misunderstanding. "Precocious puberty" is not meant as some subjective judgmental comment implying inappropriate sexual behavior, promiscuity, or consent for sex on the part of a child. Instead, precocious puberty is a purely biological condition in which puberty occurs at an unusually early age. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 23:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

To be fair, the wording of that first paragraph is extremely misleading. It really does sound like it's implying she was impregnated by her precocious puberty. That would be a case of human parthenogenesis which is... impossible. Frankly, I can't blame the other IP commenters for reading it as a way to write off her obvious sexual assault, even though I don't think that was the intent of writing it that way. I think it's more likely it was just worded poorly. Given the highly disturbing nature of this story, I can't really blame anyone for having kind of a kneejerk reaction like that. It's a really morbid topic.

Personally, I think a better wording might be something like "It remains yet unknown who committed the sexual assault leading to her pregnancy, but she was biologically able to conceive a child at the age of less than five years (based on the medical assessment of the stage of her pregnancy) due to an extreme case of precocious puberty." This is just a suggestion, though.

As to the assertion that her sexual abuse would be "speculation", I must emphatically disagree. The fact that she was impregnated is incontrovertible evidence she was abused. As the last IP commenter said, a 4 year old can't consent, so by definition, she was raped. The likelihood of this case being the only recorded occurrence of human parthenogenesis is basically zero. Not even worth considering. And since it's the only other option, the sole remaining explanation is that the pregnancy was the result of coitus. Since she was too young to consent, that coitus was rape. She was raped. It was sexual assault. 68.102.134.99 (talk) 07:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

This is not a case of somebody wording this so as to push a particular point of view, but rather, somebody editing existing valid content and making it invalid. Whether that's vandalism or just an editor with a poor understanding of English is speculative. See revision of 19:07, 1 November 2022

With regard to the state of the article before the November 2022 edit... the implication was that the precocious puberty made this possible. There's no problem with that claim ... had it not been for the precocious puberty, she couldn't have gotten pregnant, i.e. she could only have become pregnant because of her precocious puberty. Fabrickator (talk) 21:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

She was not a woman. She was a girl.

5 years old can not accurately be described as a "woman". Please correct this. 142.113.79.223 (talk) 21:31, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

She is a woman and is currently 88 years old. She is notable for an event that occurred when she was a girl. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I believe she died

I read that she died seven years ago. Illang (talk) 22:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

We would need a reliable source saying so to add that to the article. HiLo48 (talk) 02:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Again, can't be confired, because this source says otherwise, that she's fine and well at 88 years of age, but can't be 100% realiable ElDiaMartes (talk) 23:58, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Passed away in 2015

She passed away in November 2015 see here LegoFCB (talk) 05:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

• That source is a blog. See WP:BLOGS. --Hammersoft (talk) 11:16, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Her death is cited on Legit.ng, which appears to be a reliable source. https://www.legit.ng/1228037-lina-medina-story-youngest-mother-world.html Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 03:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Spanish Wikipedia

Just to add to this catalog of life and death claims, Lina's article in the Spanish version of Wikipedia doesn't seem to mention it - here.

My Spanish is not good. Someone with greater skills in that language might find something there. HiLo48 (talk) 00:42, 13 May 2023 (UTC)