Talk:Sabians

Do they still exist?

Yes they do! They are called Mandeans today — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.197 (talk) 10:39, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Just watched some interviews with Iraqi refugees on the redacted DVD, and several of them say they are of the Sab'i sect, which would be this one I assume So why is it all in past tense? FunkMonk (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd also like some detail on this. It's impossible to tell, from the article as it stands, what happened to the Sabians and whether any still exist. 86.143.50.243 (talk) 17:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Sabians most definitely exist and are also called Mandaeans or Sabian-Mandaeans. They are found in Iraq and Iran with diaspora communities in North America, Europe and Australia. Mcvti (talk) 02:25, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Do Sabians really believed that they belong to Prophet Noah?

Because they believe in the Zabur and similar to Christians. Doesn't it means they belong to Prophet Dawud or King David. Because Zabur was revealed to King David by God. And Zabur came after Torah ( To Moses and believed by Jews) and before Gospel (To Jesus and believed by Christians). Doesn't that means that they belong to Prophet Dawud or King David. Faysalm098khL (talk) 13:24, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Sabians or Sabian-Mandaeans believe that the founder of their religion is their first prophet Adam. They claim direct descent from Shem son of Noah who are both considered prophets. John the Baptist (Yahya ibn Zakariya) is their greatest and final prophet who renewed and reformed their ancient religion founded by Adam. Their main holy scripture is the Ginza Rabba also called the Book of Adam and another holy scripture is the Book of John the Baptist. Sabians believe that their religion predates Judaism and Christianity as a monotheistic faith. In Neo-Mandaic, Ṣabi means 'to baptize'. To their non-Mandaean neighbors in Iraq and Iran, they are more commonly known as the Ṣābi'ūn, i.e. 'the Sabians‘, or colloquially as the Ṣubba, meaning 'the baptizers'. This is due to the fact that baptism is the most important ceremony for Sabians. Mcvti (talk) 17:21, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

24 May 2022 updates and changes

@Mcvti: with regard to your revert here of my updates and changes to the article:

• Regarding "the Sabaeans of Southern Arabia also called Sheba are not Christian and have absolutely nothing to do with the sabians of the Quran": see Van Bladel 2009, pp. 67-68: Modern scholars have identified the Qurānic Ṣābians as the Mandaeans, the ḥunafā' understood as Gnostics, Christian Sabaeans (Saba', the people of Sheba) of South Arabia, the Manichaeans, Elchasaites, the Gnostics understood as the Archontics or Stratiotics (a Judeo-Christian sect mentioned by Epiphanius in the fourth century), the ḥunafā' understood as “sectarians,” and even just as the Ḥarrānian pagans. He's not necessarily saying that all Sabaeans are Christians, just that some scholars have identified the Quranic Sabians with Sabaeans that were also Christian.
• Regarding "The Mandaeans formally call themselves Nasoraeans and are one in the same": Whatever your source may be for this wild claim, at least scholars like Drower 1960, p. 111 do not in any way take the Mandaeans and the Nasoraeans as "one and the same". Where does he say that they are the same?
• Regarding "The Manichaeans are known as Zandiqs or Zandaqa in Islam and also have nothing to do with the Sabians": that may be your personal view, but some scholars have identified the Sabians with the Manichaeans, per the Van Bladel 2009 quote above.
• Your edit summary cut off, but it's probably a good idea to discuss any other objections you may have on this talk page before reverting.

Regards, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 16:05, 24 May 2022 (UTC)