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In September, 2019 the MSBS-762N was officially announced at MSPO 2019.<ref name=":1" />
In September, 2019 the MSBS-762N was officially announced at MSPO 2019.<ref name=":1" />


==Defects and problems in the Polish Army==
In the summer of 2020, numerous tests of weapons were carried out, and in the publication in January 2021, in a special report prepared by a team of specialists and soldiers under the leadership of a former GROM special unit officer and shooting instructor Paweł Moszner, it was indicated that the Polish Grot rifle rusts, overheats, stutters with sand the stock breaks on impact, and some defects prevent firing. The report also stated, inter alia, problems with locks that fell apart, hammers that broke off, or fastening belts that detached themselves, and then there was a problem with fastening them.<ref> https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/raport-zespolu-pawla-mosznera-dotyczacy-karabinka-grot/zd5zwvq </ref> The publication of the report sparked controversy both in the military community and in the media.<ref> https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/szokujacy-raport-o-karabinku-grot-ujawnia-pelen-zakres-jego-wad/0yent0v </ref><ref> https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/komentarze-dotyczace-jakosci-karabinka-grot/rwlzjmy </ref><ref> https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/general-rozanski-krytycznie-o-karabinku-grot/2zevsvt </ref><ref> https://polskatimes.pl/wadliwe-karabinki-grot-koalicja-obywatelska-chce-zwolania-posiedzenia-sejmowej-komisji-obrony-narodowej-a-wot-odpowiada-na/ar/c1-15408644 </ref><ref> https://www.rp.pl/Przemysl-Obronny/210129650-Szokujacy-raport-o-karabinku-Grot-Zagraza-zolnierzom.html </ref><ref> https://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114883,26718050,szokujacy-raport-na-temat-karabinka-grot-lista-wad-tak-dluga.html </ref><ref> https://www.defence24.pl/opozycja-chce-posiedzenia-ws-karabinkow-grot-producent-odpiera-zarzuty </ref>

==Users==
===Current users===
===Current users===
*{{POL}}: Limited use in secondary units. Around 23,000 MSBS Grot R 20 FB-M1 and MSBS Grot R 20 FB-M2 are on order, and around 53,000 MSBS Grot C 16 FB-M1 are on order.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.defence24.pl/grot-dla-co-trzeciego-polskiego-zolnierza-podpisano-zamowienia|title=grot-dla-co-trzeciego-polskiego-zolnierza-podpisano-zamowienia|website=Defence24.com|access-date=3 October 2019}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.defence24.com/53-thousand-grot-rifles-for-the-polish-armed-forces-contract-concluded|title=53 Thousand Grot Rifles for the Polish Armed Forces. Contract Concluded - Defence24.com|website=www.defence24.com|access-date=2019-11-17}}</ref><ref name="polskieradio.pl"/>
*{{POL}}: Limited use in secondary units. Around 23,000 MSBS Grot R 20 FB-M1 and MSBS Grot R 20 FB-M2 are on order, and around 53,000 MSBS Grot C 16 FB-M1 are on order.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.defence24.pl/grot-dla-co-trzeciego-polskiego-zolnierza-podpisano-zamowienia|title=grot-dla-co-trzeciego-polskiego-zolnierza-podpisano-zamowienia|website=Defence24.com|access-date=3 October 2019}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.defence24.com/53-thousand-grot-rifles-for-the-polish-armed-forces-contract-concluded|title=53 Thousand Grot Rifles for the Polish Armed Forces. Contract Concluded - Defence24.com|website=www.defence24.com|access-date=2019-11-17}}</ref><ref name="polskieradio.pl"/>
**[[Territorial Defence Force (Poland)|Territorial Defence Force]]: First batch delivered on 30 November 2017.<ref>http://www.defence24.com/first-batch-of-the-msbs-grot-rifles-symbolically-received-by-the-polish-territorial-defence-forces#top-carousel</ref>
**[[Territorial Defence Force (Poland)|Territorial Defence Force]]: First batch delivered on 30 November 2017.<ref>http://www.defence24.com/first-batch-of-the-msbs-grot-rifles-symbolically-received-by-the-polish-territorial-defence-forces#top-carousel</ref>
** [[Border Guard (Poland)|Border Guard]]: First batch delivered on 21 December 2018.<ref>https://www.milmag.pl/news/view?news_id=1761</ref>
** [[Border Guard (Poland)|Border Guard]]: First batch delivered on 21 December 2018.<ref>https://www.milmag.pl/news/view?news_id=1761</ref>

===Potential users===

*{{PAK}}: In 2017 [[Pakistan Ordnance Factories]] discussed potential cooperation with [[Polish Armaments Group]], particularly in the field of small arms. [[Pakistan Army]] intends to replace their [[Heckler & Koch G3|G3]] and [[Type 56]] rifles.<ref>https://quwa.org/2017/11/20/pakistani-delegation-visited-poland-discuss-potential-assault-rifle-program/</ref>

===Failed bids===
*{{POL}}:
** Polish Prison Service, the winner is [[Beretta ARX160|Beretta ARX160A3]]<ref>https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/08/20/polish-prison-service-purchase-beretta-ar160-carbines/</ref>
** [[Policja (Poland)|Polish Police]], the winners are [[Haenel MK 556]]<ref>https://www.milmag.pl/news/view?news_id=3058</ref> and [[Heckler & Koch HK417]]<ref> https://www.milmag.pl/news/view?news_id=3356 </ref>
** [[GROM]] special forces unit, the winner is [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] <ref>https://www.milmag.pl/news/view?news_id=4803</ref>
*{{EST}}: FB Radom qualified for the tender of [[Estonian Defence Forces]] rifle procurement,<ref>{{cite web |last1=Reisenbuk |first1=Karel |title=Kaitseväe automaatrelvade hankele kvalifitseerus üheksa tootjat |url=https://www.postimees.ee/4318867/kaitsevae-automaatrelvade-hankele-kvalifitseerus-uheksa-tootjat |website=www.postimees.ee |access-date=6 August 2018 |language=et |date=22 November 2017}}</ref> but was not among the four companies who eventually presented an offer. The winner was [[Lewis Machine and Tool Company|LMT MARS]] in L and H variant<ref>{{cite web |last1=Lauri |first1=Vahur |title=Automaatrelvade hankele esitas pakkumuse neli tootjat |url=https://www.err.ee/678960/automaatrelvade-hankele-esitas-pakkumuse-neli-tootjat |website=www.err.ee |access-date=6 August 2018 |language=et |date=31 January 2018}}</ref><ref>https://www.milmag.eu/news/view?news_id=2536</ref>
*{{flag|Hungary}}: FB Radom lost the tender of the [[Hungarian Defence Forces]] are adopting the [[CZ 805 BREN#CZ BREN 2|CZ BREN 2]] assault rifle, replacing the current [[AK-63|AK-63D]].<ref>{{cite web |last1=Wilk |first1=Remigiusz |title=Hungarian Defence Forces receive CZ Bren 2 rifles |url=https://www.janes.com/article/85372/hungarian-defence-forces-receive-cz-bren-2-rifles |website=IHS Jane's 360 |access-date=20 December 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181220205107/https://www.janes.com/article/85372/hungarian-defence-forces-receive-cz-bren-2-rifles |archive-date=20 December 2018 |location=Warsaw |date=20 December 2018 |url-status=live}}</ref>
*{{flag|Romania}}: FB Radom was on of contenders for the Romanian Armed Forces, however the [[Beretta ARX160|Beretta ARX160A3]] was chosen to replace the old PM Md.1963 and PM Md.1986 of the Romanian Land Forces.<ref>https://www.rumaniamilitary.ro/beretta-arx-160-a3-a-fost-testata-de-armata-romana</ref><ref>https://www.janes.com/article/87645/romania-to-produce-beretta-arx160-rifles</ref>
*{{POR}}: FB Radom lost competition Sistemas de Combate do Soldado of [[Portuguese Army]], the winner is FN Herstal with [[FN SCAR]] in L and H variant <ref>https://sofrep.com/gear/portuguese-army-getting-fn-scar-assault-rifles/</ref>
*{{FRA}}: FB Radom was part in a trial to find a new service rifle for the French Armed Forces, but lost to the [[Heckler & Koch HK416]].
*{{GER}}: FB Radom together with Walther was the competitors in German tender of System Sturmgewehr for Bundeswehr, the winner was [[Haenel MK 556]].<ref>https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/bundeswehr-selects-haenel-mk-556-assault-rifle-to-replace-g36</ref>


==See also==
==See also==

Revision as of 09:38, 26 January 2021

FB MSBS Grot
MSBS Grot C 16 FB-M1 5.56×45mm NATO assault rifle
TypeAssault Rifle
Place of originPoland
Service history
Used byPolish Territorial Defence Forces
Representative Honor Guard Battalion of the Polish Armed Forces
Polish Border Guard
Production history
ManufacturerFB "Łucznik" Radom
VariantsSee Variants
Specifications
Mass3.7 kg (8.2 lb) (MSBS Grot C)
3.4 kg (7.5 lb) (MSBS Grot B)
Length980 mm (39 in) (MSBS Grot C, stock extended)
720 mm (28 in) (MSBS Grot B)
Cartridge5.56×45mm NATO
7.62×39mm
ActionShort-stroke gas piston, rotating bolt
Rate of fire700–900 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity890 m/s
Effective firing range500 m (547 yd)
Feed system30-round detachable STANAG magazines, 60-round casket magazine (5.56×45mm NATO)
30-round detachable STANAG box magazines (7.62×39mm)
SightsIntegrated Picatinny rail for various optical sights and Picatinny attachable iron sights

The FB MSBS Grot (Polish: Modułowy System Broni Strzeleckiej kalibru 5,56 mm, English: Modular Firearm System 5.56 mm calibre) is a modular assault rifle developed and manufactured by FB "Łucznik" Radom.

There are two basic variants of the rifle that are based on a common upper receiver; a conventional layout and a bullpup layout. With its variety of modules, both variants can be easily configured into an assault rifle, carbine, designated marksman rifle, or squad automatic weapon.[1] The rifle can also be chambered in 7.62×39mm cartridge.

History

The MSBS rifle was in development since 2007 by the Military University of Technology in Warsaw in cooperation with the firearms manufacturer FB Radom. The external design of the rifle was conceived by a separate team of engineers (Adam Gawron, Bartosz Stefaniak, Grzegorz Misiołek, Maciej Sajdak).[2][3]

Currently, the rifle is in service with the Polish Territorial Defence Forces and is scheduled to replace FB Beryl as the primary infantry weapon and service rifle of Polish Armed Forces.[4] The Grot moniker has been added to the MSBS name after the official adoption of the rifle by the Polish military.[4]

Variants

The MSBS Grot B (above) and MSBS Grot C (below).

The following variants were designed based on the requests from the Polish Armed Forces to replace currently used firearms such as the AKM, FB Beryl, FB Mini-Beryl, and Pallad grenade launcher.

The MSBS GROT is a selective fire modular assault rifle which is capable of semi-automatic, 3-round burst and fully automatic fire. It has a cyclic rate of fire of around 700–900 rounds per minute.

  • MSBS Grot C (Polish: klasyczny, English: classic) is the classic variant of the rifle chambered in either 5.56×45mm NATO or 7.62×39mm cartridge with folding and retractable stock.[5]
  • MSBS Grot B (Polish: bezkolbowy, English: bullpup) – is the bullpup variant of the rifle chambered in 5.56×45mm NATO cartridge.
  • MSBS Grot R – is the representative variant of the rifle designed to be used by honour guards which has been adapted to fire blanks and withstand drills. With the modularity of the rifle, the barrel can easily be swapped to fire live ammunition.

Both the Classic and Bullpup variants are offered in 5 different configurations and have many common interchangeable parts and can be converted from one to the other.:[6][7]

  • Assault rifle – a standard assault rifle configuration with 16 in (410 mm) barrel.
  • Assault rifle with underbarrel grenade launcher – similar to the assault rifle configuration but with a 40×46mm underbarrel grenade launcher equipped.
  • Carbine – a short barrel variant with a 10 in (250 mm) barrel.
  • Carbine with underbarrel grenade launcher – similar to the carbine configuration but with a 40×46mm underbarrel grenade launcher equipped.
  • Squad automatic weapon – a variant equipped with a heavy, thick profile and a 16 in (410 mm) barrel.
  • Designated marksman rifle – is equipped with a 16 in (410 mm) barrel and a two stage trigger group.

Since the Polish Military of Defence ordered 53,000 of the MSBS assault rifles, Fabryka Broni has introduced a military naming designation for the MSBS series.

Grot – After the official adoption of the rifle by the Polish Armed Forces, the Grot name was added.

C, B, R – variants, classic, bullpup, or representative.

10, 16, 20 – barrel lengths, in inches.

G, M, PS – configurations, assault rifle with grenade launcher, light machine gun, marksman rifle

FB – Fabryka Broni, the manufacturer of this weapon system.

M(x) – number of series (x stands for the generation, for examples, M1 means first generation)

In this case, MSBS Grot C 16 FB-M1 means assault rifle in classic variant from first series manufactured by Fabryka Broni. The name Grot means arrowhead in Polish and refers to general Stefan Rowecki's pseudonym.

MSBS-762N derivative

MSBS-7.62N
TypeDesignated Marksman Rifle
Place of originPoland
Production history
ManufacturerFB "Łucznik" Radom
Specifications
Cartridge7.62×51mm NATO
ActionShort-stroke gas piston, rotating bolt
Feed system20-round detachable SR-25 magazines
SightsIntegrated Picatinny rail for various optical sights and Picatinny attachable iron sights

The MSBS-7.62N is a semi-automatic sniper rifle/designated marksman rifle chambered in 7.62×51mm NATO cartridge.

The MSBS-762N project began in the end of 2015 when Polish Military of Defence announced analytical works for the replacement program of their SVD Dragunov sniper rifle and supplement the bolt-action TRG-22 and Tor sniper rifles currently in service. It was led by the team of Fabryka Broni Łucznik-Radom and Wojskowa Akademia Techniczna (WAT) engineers.[8]

The MSBS-762N has two different configurations; one with a 508 mm (20 in) barrel with a fixed adjustable stock and the other with 406 mm (16 in) barrel with the MSBS Grot C's adjustable side-folding stock. Both configurations are part of the MSBS family and some of the parts of the rifle, such as the stock, handguard, pistol grip, and trigger are interchangeable between 5.56m and 7.62m models.[8][9]

The MSBS-762N is designed as a semi-automatic rifle but project engineers declared that a fully automatic configuration can be developed if required.[8]

In September, 2019 the MSBS-762N was officially announced at MSPO 2019.[9]

Defects and problems in the Polish Army

In the summer of 2020, numerous tests of weapons were carried out, and in the publication in January 2021, in a special report prepared by a team of specialists and soldiers under the leadership of a former GROM special unit officer and shooting instructor Paweł Moszner, it was indicated that the Polish Grot rifle rusts, overheats, stutters with sand the stock breaks on impact, and some defects prevent firing. The report also stated, inter alia, problems with locks that fell apart, hammers that broke off, or fastening belts that detached themselves, and then there was a problem with fastening them.[10] The publication of the report sparked controversy both in the military community and in the media.[11][12][13][14][15][16][17]

Users

Current users

  •  Poland: Limited use in secondary units. Around 23,000 MSBS Grot R 20 FB-M1 and MSBS Grot R 20 FB-M2 are on order, and around 53,000 MSBS Grot C 16 FB-M1 are on order.[18][19][4]

Potential users

Failed bids

See also

References

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