Talk:Sumbala

"Locust seeds"

What does the phrase "locust seeds" mean here? Couldn't say for sure, but I thought Soumbala was made from fermented néré seeds; I'm not sure what the English translation of néré would be, though. --Dvyost 8 July 2005 04:50 (UTC)

Parkia biglobosa has been given some English names, notably "African locust bean tree" (the term locust bean or seed would be derived from that), and also "African carob tree." Néré is a loan from Manding languages also used in English as well as some other European languages. --A12n (talk) 03:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Name change to Sumbala?

Would it be more appropriate to use the spelling sumbala rather than soumbala for this article? The latter is simply the French spelling of a word in Manding languages. --A12n (talk) 03:46, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I requested a move per the above. --A12n (talk) 18:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

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Merge with/from/to iru?

Should this article and that for iru (food) be merged? They describe the same condiment, though there are of course different names in different languages, and a range of styles or presentations across West Africa.--A12n (talk) 01:25, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

No, do not merge. The article discusses the topic strictly in relation to how Yoruba people use the foodstuff and not how the Mandig use it. The link to Sumbala is there already and is sufficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.33.221 (talk) 09:45, 29 September 2017‎ (UTC)

Ojji

In the list of names in various languages I changed "oji" to "ojji" and added Pular. I'm familiar with the term from Futa Jalon, but not sure if it is used in all varieties of Fula. The only Fula reference I have at hand that lists "ojji" (with this spelling, but not "oji") is G.V. Zoubko's 1980 Fula dictionary.--A12n (talk) 10:49, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge from Iru (food)

Proposing merge from Iru (food). This condiment is fundamentally the same across West Africa, with minor local variations, and of course with different names in different languages. More useful to have one article on the subject.

• Merge as nominator.--A12n (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

What should be the name of a merged article?

Merging articles with varying local names for the same product seems logical. But what name should that article have? "Fermented African locust bean" or something like that? -- RikSchuiling (talk) 12:15, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking just using the sumbala article, at least for now. There is no good English name that I know of, so one almost has to choose one loanword. Something like Fermented African locust bean is descriptive, but since other seeds, notably soybeans, are sometimes used, it is limited. Also, I would hesitate to give credence to any coinage (noting the unfortunate WP amplification effect of the naming of Amadu II of Masina and Amadu III of Masina, which grew out of a professor's shorthand reference of convenience in some publications, but never intended to be formal). In terms of food biochemistry, it is somewhat similar to natto, but there are very different cultural and foodway contexts, so have not suggested merging there. One does see the coinage "African natto" but that is not established, and for various reasons would not want to validate/amplify such a term. Eventually, if appropriate, this sumbala article, with iru material, could be moved.--A12n (talk) 16:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Sounds convincing. I would agree to 'insert' the iru article into the sumbala article. -- RikSchuiling (talk) 08:57, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Not so conincing to me the article needs to be left alone no reasonable need to merge!Mahveotm (talk) 03:36, 14 January 2017 (UTC)