Commons:Administrators/Requests/Abigor (de-adminship)

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Scheduled to end: 21:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I request that the admin rights of User:Abigor be removed. He stated he would "wipe his ass with every policy he can find" (see here). At NL.wiki he has been blocked infinitely after various issues. One of the issues is that he repeatedly accused user:RonaldB of blocking him, forcing unblocks of IPs by stating that the IP block exempt at his account didn't work. He wasted a lot of time of the community that tried to find out why his IP block exempt didn't work. Finally we found out that the IP block exempt was perfectly working and that user Abigor falsified block messages to make us believe that he couldn't edit from his account. Abigor structurally uses all kinds of lies to waste time of the community. Also he structurally abuses Commons to trouble NL.wiki opponents, like here and here. At Meta he is attempting to get admin rights (again), but till now he only got oppose votes, see here. For discussion about his behaviour at Commons, see here. After what happened, also very recent, we cannot trust this user anymore with admin rights. Jcb (talk) 21:30, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My responds: I rather find it strange that it came to a desysop, a desysop is the last thing a community has to stop a administrator that breaks the rules here on Commons. This didn't happen, Yes I was saying I would break every policy when its needed to protect family, but this are just words I didn't break any policy. Secondly most of the facts given here are from nl.wikipedia, but this is Commons and stuff from nl.wikipedia should stay there, on nl.wikipedia I was suspected to be a sock of Delay, there was no CU result backing this up but the community decided to block as DUCK, here on Commons there isn't a positive result also. Therefor I don't think SOCK has any relivance here. So we are facing a community that tried to get me gone since 2008, and this is just there next try. So look at the logs, see what policy are broken and find out there a none. So the vote is about do we accept strong language in a heavy discussion? Don't forget that not every user here is native English, so things can sounds worse than the meaning they had. But if we have to remove every admin that use hard language we lose maybe 50% of all admin's. So lets think clear, and vote. I ask you to vote keep since I have been working on Commons as administrator for 3 years (almost) and used to be a very active administrator before the drama started. When the vote is closed I will send sorry to some people, but at this moment I'm counting on the support of the communety to continu my work. And lets all not forget words are just words, saying something isn't the same as doing something Huib talk Abigor @ meta 13:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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Please express your opinion as either  Keep or  Remove. Support/oppose is ambiguous.
  •  remove I am seriously disappointed in the user's behavior, with offensive comments made toward others, even other admins. We've got "Please go to hell and never come back", "you are only making a fool of yourself", "I will wipe my ass with every policy", and "Shut up or start a de-sysop". Unacceptable! There is also a disregard for policy when the user decides it doesn't apply to himself. Mistakes happen, maybe interpretations differ, but it's another thing entirely when you say that you'll do things your own way and then treat others rudely when questioned. As described in the comments below it seems there is some deception going on as well. Commons admins get enough animosity as it is without inviting it. – Adrignola talk 04:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  •  remove Flaunting disregard for policy when one is personally involved disqualifies him for adminship. Also, I had asked Huib/Abigor to retract his comments about MoiraMoira's mental health and about going to hell and never coming back, but he refused. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong  Keep. This is a lynching. The lead quote, "I will wipe my ass with every policy" omits the crucial next words, "... I can find if its needed to protect my family." I, too, would do whatever was required to protect my family and I think that most of the rest of you would also.
It is true that the discussion which gave rise to this was heated, and that unfortunate words were used, but consider that our colleague felt, more or less correctly, that his family was under attack.
I propose that Jcb withdraw this for a week, giving us all a while to calm down. This discussion as it stands, is fatally contaminated by the out of context quote above. If it is reopened, it should contain only honest, complete quotes, not snips.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment May I add that Abigor was lying about protecting his family? He said he deleted the image to protect his girlfriend, though he uploaded the image himself (File:Eva Krap.jpg as Abigor and File:EvaKrap.jpg as Delay). So that quote is useless as it's not true. Trijnstel (talk) 14:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment my girlfriend was like jeej I'm on Wikipedia, like lots of other writes... The article seems te be deleted for Out of Scope, and she was like damn now my file is still there but no article... Everybody can use it now... So to protect her personal rights I deleted the file. So where is the Lie in there? Its completly according to policy to nuke out of scope files on sight, and a personal image without use is out of scope. So no lie, no policy breach. Huib talk Abigor @ meta 14:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You never deleted the file (originally uploaded on nl-wiki, see here) because of out of scope, but for copyright violation (which it wasn't). And the older version was deleted by another admin ("Mass deletion of pages added by Abigor"?). Trijnstel (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So I clicked the wrong message? That can happen, I'm also human... Huib talk Abigor @ meta 16:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep quite strongly I've thought quite a bit about this. I'm not keen on some of Huib's words here and I hope he will think carefully in the future. However we have faaar worse admins here on Commons who seem to get away with things and I really don't see this as warranting de-admin. If there was any re-occurrence of such behaviour it would worry me (someone else ought to have done it) but I might well feel the same as Huib in the same circumstances I think. --Herby talk thyme 15:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  •  remove - Colleague Effeietsanders gave him a final chance to come clean below and he did not take that. I am sad to say the trust is totally gone. MoiraMoira (talk) 15:54, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  •  remove - I know Abigor as a kind, fair and gentle person when there are no waves. Unfortunately, when there are waves something else happens. User Darwin's question/comment down here is exactly what happens and why this user cannot be trusted with extra buttons. He lies to safe face in unfortunate situations. We cannot trust him to not misuse his buttons in those situations. The removal of the picture was maybe just on the edge but in combination with the aftermath it has damaged my trust too much. Wkr, Fontes (talk) 16:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Almost all the facts are based on meta or Nl.wiki? I thought we where talking about Commons here? And yes, I told you I would wipe my ass with every policy I can find when its needed to protect my family. When you only say the first part it sounds bad... The second part just make it sound human. Everybody will ignore policies when it comes to family.

Secondly this desysoped it based on Nl.Wiki or Meta, it only stated one speedy closure on Commons and yes I give a warning, removing tags or templates without any reason is enough to give a warnign, I don't know how I would wasted community time? Its just normal practice, you don't remove templates without any reason.

It just seems you are importing lost of crosswiki stuff, it makes me feel sad that you need to base a desysop on other wiki's issues, I believed you know beter that that. Huib talk Abigor @ meta 21:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About your (recent!) behaviour at this very project, I will repeat something from above: "For discussion about his behaviour at Commons, see here." Users will find there sufficient material. Jcb (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also the image you removed to "protect your family" has been uploaded as well from your Abigor account, one day before your sockpuppet uploaded it. Jcb (talk) 21:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, uploaded and deleted, I don't think its against policy to upload files to Commons? Huib talk Abigor @ meta 21:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now just to get the facts straight:
  1. Somebody created a article about my girlfriend
  2. I uploaded a picture, to fit the article
  3. The article is rated offtopic
  4. I delete the image (Image was on Flickr also cc-by)
  5. User SilverSpoon undeleted the file because there is OTRS permissions?
  6. I bot blocked on nl.wiki because I uploaded a picture of my girlfriend and mod's on nl.wiki start to say "walks like a duck, its a duck" and blocks my account for sock :S
  7. JCB and other Nl.Wiki Admins start a discussion to get my rights removed on Commons.
I fail to see any missuse of the tools here on Commons that would support a desysop. Its still based on cross-wiki stuff and not not commons stuff. Huib talk Abigor @ meta 21:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But why did you delete the image? It had no license or naming problems or alike, so only the community decides whether to delete or not ... a×pdeHello! 22:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If your current version of the facts is true, you lied here when you wrote: "I got a e-mail saying hey your girlfriend is on commons sure as hell I reacted and deleted the picture, I nor Eva did give any permission for the use of this file.". Why all those lies? And if you are Delay, you were engaged in uploading at least one copyvio and faking its EXIF information. All this, along with the tool abuse for deleting the picture you uploaded yourself with an invalid reason, and your very rude behaviour in the AN, really don't fit the profile of an admin, even if we only evaluate your Commons affairs.--- Darwin Ahoy! 22:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright then, the facts on Commons: (possible) sockpuppetry (1, 2), harrassing other users and lying about deleting files (File:EvaKrap.jpg was improperly deleted, 1, 2, 3). And see of course the whole discussion here and the comments given on Meta. Trijnstel (talk) 21:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment Hi, Abigor. I have a few questions for you. Do you admit that you are using (or used) multiple accounts, how many of them and for what purposes? Do you think that it would be appropriate to provide links between the alternative accounts and your main account? I didn't see your answer to this question. Thanks in advance. mickit 14:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,
  1. I started my Wiki Carrier with the account user:Sterkebak, its renamed to user:SterkeBak (Didn't renamed it everywhere so I have some Sterkebak accounts left) with this account the names Sterkebot and SterkeBot are used for my bot.
  2. I moved on to the account Abigor, cuz of the mass projects where I had the name I didn't rename but just switched. AbiBot is the name of my bot now and AbiBot.nl.wiki. (running from the toolserver).
  3. I registered the name Huib globally cuz I sign the messages with that name. There are no edits done with there.
  4. I registered the name P.J.L Laurens to use with my uploads, it refers to a userpage designed for photography stuff. Its more like a portfolio than a userpage.

So none of them are used as socks, 2 times a old account with no edits since the other account started with editting. One account that was needed because people where confused about my sign and they ask for it. And one account for the attribution of photo's. There is no zoo of socks and there is nothing to abbandone. Huib talk Abigor @ meta 14:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be totally clear: You say that 'Sterkebak', 'Sterkebot', 'SterkeBot', 'Abigor', 'Abibot', 'AbiBot.nl.wiki', 'Huib' and 'P.J.L Laurens' are your accounts, and include every single account you ever used on all projects? If there were more that you use, please name them all (on all projects) and lets get the confusion out of the way. Effeietsanders (talk) 14:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The seems to be a user:Huib (old) I guess that it was to get a rename? But I didn't use other accounts, I editted as a IP from time to time, but no other accounts are used. Huib talk Abigor @ meta 15:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]


 Question @Abigor, you didn't create Abigor (created 9 December 2008) to avoid the long blocklog and history of SterkeBak on nl-wiki (last edits 5/10 December 2008) (and to begin again with a fresh start), didn't you? Trijnstel (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Again importing stuff that totally has nothing to do with Commons, I'm not even going to answer this further. Huib talk Abigor @ meta 16:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think the exact reasons for the account creation are secondary. I don't think there is a lot of discussion about the Abigor/Sterkebak/Huib combination - there is however confusion about the relationship with other accounts. Abigor's position is now quite clear: he did not create or use other accounts than those mentioned by me above (with the possible exception of "Huib (old)"). Effeietsanders (talk) 16:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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