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::::::::::#German Wikipedia is '''not''' Wikipedia in Germany. It's the version of Wikipedia in German language. As far as I know, none of the Wikimedia servers is situated in Germany. All traffic from Germany goes via the servers in the Netherlands.
::::::::::#German Wikipedia is '''not''' Wikipedia in Germany. It's the version of Wikipedia in German language. As far as I know, none of the Wikimedia servers is situated in Germany. All traffic from Germany goes via the servers in the Netherlands.
::::::::::German copyright regulations are completely irrelevant for this file. [[User:Jcb|Jcb]] ([[User talk:Jcb#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:41, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::German copyright regulations are completely irrelevant for this file. [[User:Jcb|Jcb]] ([[User talk:Jcb#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:41, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

:::::::::::Ok, are you kidding me? I am a copyright expert in German Wikipedia since more than 10 years. But you think you know our rules in German Wikipedia better than me? Thanks for nothing. I will ask another admin to help me. [[User:Chaddy|Chaddy]] ([[User talk:Chaddy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:59, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


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Hi Jcb, you have deleted this coat of arms, saying it is a copyvio from an nc-nd-file from araldicacivica.it somewhere else. But in fact the coat of arms of this city is centuries old, it dates back to the early medieval ages. Thus the nc-nd license on the website is wrong. Please restore this file. Chaddy (talk) 06:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide some evidence that this depiction of the CoA would be "centuries old"? Jcb (talk) 15:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is no need that this depiction has to be centuries old. This depecition is nothing else than the implementation of the blazon thus it does not have any own level of originality. Chaddy (talk) 17:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You are mistaken. Every separate depiction of a CoA has their own copyright. Jcb (talk) 17:29, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but you are mistaken... Putting together ordinary heraldic symbols after a blazon with not any room for originality is not enough to create any copyright protection. Chaddy (talk) 19:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, no answer is also an answer...
I don't have the time to dispute with you. Could you please at least send me the file und the file description, so that I can reupload it on German Wikipedia? Also it would be fine to have a list of the file usage in German Wikipedia. Chaddy (talk) 01:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You can see deleted usage here. I am not going to assist you in committing copyright violation at the German wiki. Jcb (talk) 15:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear, that's annoying, Jcb... According to German law official coat of arms are always free, so you do not assist me in committing copyright violation at the German wiki. So would you be so kind to perform my request? Chaddy (talk) 19:55, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you think German copyright would apply to an Italian CoA? Jcb (talk) 22:21, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Because of en:Lex loci protectionis (or more detailed in the German article de:Schutzlandprinzip). Chaddy (talk) 00:34, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You make two separate fundamental mistakes here:
  1. In copyright conventions, most countries of the world have agreed that they would respect the copyright protection of the country of origin.
  2. German Wikipedia is not Wikipedia in Germany. It's the version of Wikipedia in German language. As far as I know, none of the Wikimedia servers is situated in Germany. All traffic from Germany goes via the servers in the Netherlands.
German copyright regulations are completely irrelevant for this file. Jcb (talk) 00:41, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, are you kidding me? I am a copyright expert in German Wikipedia since more than 10 years. But you think you know our rules in German Wikipedia better than me? Thanks for nothing. I will ask another admin to help me. Chaddy (talk) 14:59, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bad name template

Hey Jcb, you deleted two categories I made because someone (IMHO, incorrectly) placed a bad name template on them, but without even a link to the alleged duplicate. I don't think that's how things are supposed to work. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:54, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, if a category is nominated for deletion, it's quite simple: empty --> delete / non-empty --> keep. If you disagree with the way how it became empty, please discuss this with the user who made it empty. Jcb (talk) 15:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour, Pourquoi avoir supprimé ce fichier qui avait reçu une autorisation de publication (OTRS) validée par un de vos collègues administrateur De728631 le 4 décembre ?--Cordialement, Kasos_Fr, (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After the edit by De728631, Framawiki gave the file an 'incomplete OTRS' tag again, 30 days ago. Jcb (talk) 18:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment faire pour compléter les informations manquantes ?--Cordialement, Kasos_Fr, (talk) 19:06, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Framawiki: You marked this file as {OTRS received} with ticket:2017092410005474. Could you help this user? Jcb (talk) 20:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On est le 20 janvier et il n'y a toujours pas de réponse à la question--Cordialement, Kasos_Fr, (talk) 10:50, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Framawiki: has been editing in the meantime. They must have seen the ping. Re-pinging. Jcb (talk) 11:15, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:The Bridge-Longfellow.ogg; more detail re deletion

Can you please tell me more about the deletion of this file. Thanks. It is a generic comment that covers a range of components.  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The file is corrupt. It only contains 2 seconds of silence. Jcb (talk) 10:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Amanita Magniverrucata 510593.jpg free emergency image to be marked

Dear Admin Jcb,

Can you kindly mark the above image which I uploaded above, please?

Secondly, I uploaded this image because I had to launch a Deletion Request on a heavily used image of the same mushroom. I made a comment in this DR. Can it be proven if trusted user Raeky uploaded this October 2010 image under DR...rather than Fan of Zhirkov? If Raeky uploaded the image, it could be passed (on Raeky's behalf) since he was made a trusted user in 2008 and a trusted user's uploads are grandfathered if uploaded before 2012. Raeky unfortunately left Wikicommons after August 2013. I don't know who is telling the truth....but I think the uploader is not Raeky. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 07:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The file has been reviewed by someone else in the meantime. I agree with your DR. Jcb (talk) 12:00, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted poster image

Why have you deleted the file:Tomasz Wójcik - Bhavagad Gita.jpg? This poster image had the same OTRS number, like for example:Tomasz Wójcik - Pharaoh.jpg. Please restore the deleted file. --Szczebrzeszynski (talk) 15:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Tomasz Wójcik - Bhagavad Gita.jpg was marked by Ankry 4 December as OTRS received but not completed. This means deletion after 30 days if nothing happens in the meantime. The ticket is in Polish, a language I don't speak, so that I have to trust our Polish speaking colleague. Jcb (talk) 17:29, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The file was nominated for deletion. There was no discussion, despite me commenting on the talk page. You haven't addressed my comments, allowing me to discuss the issue, you haven't explained deletion beyond a one word edit summary "logo". This was never an official logo, I made it using purely CC0 material, it is markedly different from existing logos while trying to convey the general impression of the school. Bellezzasolo (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If this is not the official logo, but a hobby creation, then it's out of scope. Jcb (talk) 22:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
COM:INUSE Bellezzasolo (talk) 17:26, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It was not in use according to the delinker bot. Jcb (talk) 17:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's mistaken. [1] Bellezzasolo (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Furthermore, it would no longer fall under COM:SPEEDY, so should immediately be reinstated. Bellezzasolo (talk) 17:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't mistaken, if there is a local copy at English wikipedia, usage at that project does not show up here. Please be aware that user pages and talk pages are explicitly exclused from COM:INUSE per the last sentence of that section. Jcb (talk) 18:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"The uploading of small numbers of images (e.g. of yourself) for use on a personal user page of Commons or another project is allowed as long as that user is or was an active participant on that project." Pretty unambiguous to me, the local copy only exits because of your deletion. Bellezzasolo (talk) 23:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"It should be stressed that Commons does not exist to editorialise on other projects – that an image is in use on a non talk/user page is enough for it to be within scope."I see why you think you are right, but you are not. This clause to which you refer explicity prohibits a scope argument being used on media that is in the main namespace. i.e. Use in the namespace automatically means in scope. It doesn't mean the reverse - use on a user page means automatically out of scope, which should be clear from the (otherwise dichotomy that is) the previous sentence. Bellezzasolo (talk) 23:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@99of9: , What is your opinion? Sorry for involving you, but Jcb has gone quiet for a bit. Bellezzasolo (talk) 12:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
'Gone quiet'? WTF? I am not at your service 24 hours a day. I have to sleep, go to work to make a living, spend time with family, etc. I am online when I find time, which is almost daily. About the INUSE, you used that as an argument for undeletion, but that argument has no value when the use is not on a non talk/user page. I see no reason to undelete the file. Jcb (talk) 15:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I may have been hasty, but I want this resolved fairly quickly. The file was deleted as an alleged COPYVIO. Seeing as it's not, it shouldn't have been speedy deleted in the first place. Frankly, the inuse discussion should be occuring on a live image. However, policy clearly states that
"The uploading of small numbers of images (e.g. of yourself) for use on a personal user page of Commons or another project is allowed as long as that user is or was an active participant on that project."
I think no more needs stating than the above. The image is not COPYVIO and is INSCOPE.
If deleting an image incorrectly then meant a higher standard for reinclusion, it would leave deletion open for clear abuse of power.
Bellezzasolo (talk) 18:00, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am not restoring it. End of discussion. Jcb (talk) 22:09, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Foto

Beste Jcb, je verwijderde vandaag een foto die ik had opgeladen. Ik neem aan dat je daar een reden voor hebt, mag ik die weten a.u.b.? Het is alleszins geen screenshot, maar een volledig eigen gemaakte foto (ik was daar, ik had een fototoestel, ik drukte op de knop ...), maar misschien dat er op een andere manier auteursrechten werden geschonden volgens jou? M.v.g., --MichielDMN (talk) 20:34, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dat geloven wij niet zo hard als iemand anno 2018 een foto upload van 500x375 pixels zonder exif. Jcb (talk) 22:18, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Begrijpelijk, maar het is een foute aanname. De foto is hard ingezoomd en daardoor niet bijster groot. Ik heb die dan nog een beetje verkleind met Paint.NET (door in te zoomen is de foto wat te wazig op origineel formaat), waardoor de originele exif is verloren gegaan. Kan ik je 't origineel op een of andere manier e-mailen zodat je die hebt en deze foto kan terugplaatsen? --MichielDMN (talk) 08:21, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Je kunt hem naar OTRS sturen. Als het goed is krijg je dan een automatische ontvangstbevestiging met een ticketnummer. Als je mij dat nummer doorgeeft, dan kijk ik ernaar. Jcb (talk) 15:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
2018010810007391. Alvast bedankt! --MichielDMN (talk) 16:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done - Jcb (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Waarvoor dank! --MichielDMN (talk) 18:45, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Potentieel sokpop

Hi Jcb, one week ago you blocked Historypictures (talk · contribs). Looking at the activity of Oldgrandman1800 (talk · contribs) here in Commons I got the impression that the "footpronts" of both users are very similar. Therefore I asked a checkuser on the Spanish Wikipedia whether these users were identical, and I received the answer "clear positive relationship". The pictures from both users are inserted into many articles via IPv6 sockpuppets using private templates, the automatic erasure of the filenames by a bot leaves articles with syntactical errors which is rather annoying.

Best regards. --Jkbw (talk) 21:20, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have indef blocked both accounts and removed the uploads of the sock. Jcb (talk) 22:22, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Description of blazon

Hi Jcb (talk, contribs), today, by mistake, I think, you have changed the description on the next page : [[2]]. However, in the project "blazons" of Wikimedia, I believe that the heading "description" is always devoted to the heraldic description of the blazons. The question to know if a family belongs - or not - to nobility has nothing to see with the fact it wears coat of arms, by the way. So I think it is appropriate to return to the simple, non-controversial description of this coat of arms. Which I did tonight. Best regards, —Κοινὴ διάλεκτος (talk, contribs) 22:35, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted your edit, because you removed the license, after which the file fell into a problem category. Jcb (talk) 22:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the explanation.
Best regards,
Κοινὴ διάλεκτος (talk, contribs) 14:48, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake

I made a mistake on nominating this image for deletion.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_effect_of_zinc_acetate_lozenges_on_the_duration_of_the_common_cold.svg&action=edit&redlink=1

Details here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James#Zinc_and_the_common_cold

Can you please restore. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ronhjones: Can you take a look at this? You deleted the file, I only deleted an empty file page. Jcb (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for your comments at AN - You do make a lot of sense and I absolutely agree with you!, Me being me I like to be safe than sorry and I was worried it was more not ok than ok but as I said you do make a lot of sense,
I've removed the thread as I feel it's hypocritical of me to request deletions like I did and at the same time go there about someone else (I will say tho had I remembered the d2 stuff then obviously I wouldn't of filed that in the first place), Anyway just wanted to say thanks for your comments!, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 23:36, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Request for undeletion

Hi, Jcb. You deleted File:171028 평창 뮤직페스타 - 제니(블랙핑크) 'STAY' 4K 60P 직캠 by DaftTaengk (3).png last month as a copyright violation. The video does now show a Standard YouTube License. However, at the time of the upload, it was licensed under the Creative Commons License (the archive of the video is here, along with the source code confirming the license.

  • view-source:https://web.archive.org/web/20171110043951/https://youtube.com/watch?v=LEz-fV2YRSc
...[{"text":"Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed)",...

I had a similar situation occur with one of my uploads, but as Creative Commons licenses are irrevocable, it was restored by the deleting admin (User talk:Wdwd/2018#Request for undeletion). As such, I would like to request undeletion of this file. xplicit 13:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I have restored the file. Jcb (talk) 16:17, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nordicthrash420

Hi. I saw you blocked Nordicthrash420 for block evasion. This editor seems to be stirring up drama on en.wiki now. Do you know who the master is? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The account is related to DragonDance, which was clearly acting as a sock of a LTA, but I don't know who the master is. Jcb (talk) 09:30, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Undeletion requests File User Lûgnûg

Good evening dear administratorJcb , I kindly write to you to ask if you could please restore my files that I have been blocked that you will find at this link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/L%C3%BBgn%C3%BBg?uselang=it , which are mainly File pd 100 and 70 and these are paintings portraits of noblemen etc; As well as genealogical trees taken from various sites of Italian noble families. so although I am stuck indefinitely I ask her if she could restore these files I uploaded. --79.31.200.119 20:35, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked users cannot do undeletion requests. Jcb (talk) 21:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Jcb,
I do not understand the deleting of this image. As you can see (here) it was a derivative Commons image. It seems to me that I have checked the license myself before adding it here. And also, I can not find the delete request page for this image. Regards--Ghybu (talk) 18:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The license of all these images were good (they were derived commons images)--Ghybu (talk) 18:50, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The file was uploaded by a multiple copyvio uploader. My attention to this user was drawn when File:Thyroid hormones ku.png landed in a problem category. I checked a selection of their uploads and all seemed copyvio. That's why I flushed their uploads. I will have a look at this individual file. Jcb (talk) 21:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This individual file seems fine. Please let me know if there are more files that should be considered for undeletion. Jcb (talk) 21:22, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me for butting in, but possibly File:Cell membrane detailed diagram ku.png? Look at incoming links — the original is in public domain. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 21:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done - Jcb (talk) 21:42, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is difficult for me to say which images are correct if all were deleted without prior discussion. But I still think that all the images were correct, maybe one or two that I did not see or wrongly judged. Indeed, I myself created this category (before deletion more than 70 or 80 files and now 5 files) and I checked and corrected many licenses. The majority of the images were simple translations of images from Commons. So I think we need to restore all the images and request deletions on a case-by-case.
I would also like to see this image to check the origin: File:Thyroid hormones ku.png.
And concerning the user, at the beginning (new user) he had problems for the for the image Licensing but after I have not observed a lof problems.
--Ghybu (talk) 22:04, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I checked at least 10 files and none of them was fine. E.g. File:Thyroid hormones ku.png was clearly not fine. When a user keeps uploading copyright violations, there comes a point where we are not going to spend our time to check one by one every single upload (in this case over 100). We check a selection and if that selection is copyvio we flush their uploads. Individual files can be restored if needed as you have seen. Jcb (talk) 22:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I understand but the vast majority of the images I saw were good. I can take care of this verification after restoration.--Ghybu (talk) 22:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I will see if I can take a look tomorrow, now working on a different task. Jcb (talk) 22:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I found at least several files that would be fine. I will look at the files one by one in the next few days, to see what I can undelete. Jcb (talk) 15:50, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I also did a little check with google cache: this can make your search easier... And among those who are not translations of Commons images: I remember seeing a lot of images with good licenses.--Ghybu (talk) 03:06, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I will double check with your list when I am finished. Jcb (talk) 15:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

These photos

Dear Jcb,

Someone asked me to mark these photos but I am uncertain since the sreencap image may be copyrighted. If you think they can be marked, please feel free to do so. Kind Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:16, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon

Hi I would like to remove the Dragon but the photo is extract from a YT file. So I have planned to crop the file. --Panam2014 (talk) 21:11, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that seems the best solution to me. Jcb (talk) 21:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Please, could you review the files ? --Panam2014 (talk) 21:48, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I normally don't do that task. Jcb (talk) 21:49, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder about Blocking consultation

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Apologies

Hello, I apologize profusely for the deletion. I have simply no idea what happened. — Racconish ☎ 16:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, no problem. Jcb (talk) 16:11, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Admin Jcb,

Please decide whether to keep or delete this image--or apply a template to it. I made a statement on this image and suggested looking at its talkpage. Unfortjunately it was reviewed on wikipedia...but not on wikicommons. Thank You, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. Archive.org didn't capture it, so that I cannot verify the claim by Majora. I propose you nominate the file for deletion if you think there is a problem. Jcb (talk) 21:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your time in replying Admin Jcb. I think I will allow a third party to decide to ask a DR rather than me since I have to deal with a current DR. Its just a pity people change youtube licenses sadly. Kind Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:00, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]