Re: [matplotlib-devel] Setuptools and release candidate testing

On Jul 24, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Michael Droettboom <md...@st...> wrote:


Part of this is due to the change to setuptools/distribute,


 Even though I was the one who spearheaded the move
to setuptools, I'm wondering whether we shouldn't examine backtracking
on some of this for the 1.4.x release.


I don't think so--in this case the timing was particularly bad, but the
core developers are pretty commited to setup tools/pip as the way of the
future, so these things will settle down.

And just like MPL has issues because many of us wait for "final" to test (
guilty as charged...) the distribution tools need to be tested by complex
packages like MPL in order to get robust and stable.

-CHB



The second issue is more one of process.  When I make a release
candidate, I announce it here, and Cc all of the packagers of the major
Linux distributions, as well as Christoph and Russell who put together
packages for Windows and Mac respectively.  Part of that delegation is
because I don't have installations of all of those platforms, and part
is to spread some of the workload.  And most of the time it works really
well -- a big thanks to everyone involved. However, this cycle there
have been a small number of critical bugs discovered in the fifth
release candidate that existed in the first release candidate, which
doesn't give me a lot of confidence that final won't have critical bugs
either.  I think some of this will be ameliorated over time as we build
out a more effective continuous integration infrastructure (see MEP19:
we could really use some help on this one), but some of it may have to
do with users being unwilling to test a release until it has the word
"final" attached. How can we get more ordinary users (who may have even
more unusual environments) involved?  I also suspect some of it has to
do with the timing in the summer which hits in the middle of vacations
and conference travel for many.  We can certainly avoid the summer
months next time.  But I don't think it's just about building more time
into the schedule.  Let me know if I'm doing something boneheaded ;)

Mike



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