User talk:Kk.urban

Welcome to Simple English Wikipedia

Hi, Kk.urban, welcome to Simple English Wikipedia! Thank you for your changes. If you need help, check out the Help section of Wikipedia, or leave a message on my talk page. Whenever leaving messages on talk pages, please remember to sign your name by typing four 'tildes' (like this: ~~~~); doing this makes your name and the date show up. Also, it helps if you write something in the box that says 'change summary' whenever you change an article. Below are some useful links to make your time here simpler. Happy changing! Pure Evil (talk) 04:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC) Getting Started How to: change a page • write simple English articles • A guide for users of the English Wikipedia Getting Help Administrators • Ask for help from administrators Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Verifiability Citing sources • What Wikipedia is not Copyrights • Image use policy • How to copy from another Wikipedia Spam • Vandalism • Deletion policy The Community Assume good faith • Be kind Community Portal • Simple talk • TASERING Announcements • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Cleanup Other Useful templates • Stubs

Populations

An added suggestion you may want to consider: It is generally not seen as a problem to copy over the infobox as is from an En.wiki article. While most copy paste of their content is frowned upon, Infoboxes tend to be clean cut enough to be accepted. The main benifits are that there is a lot of useful info there (size, pop, dates, etc) and their version is likely more up to date on who is in charge. Attention would be needed for images and logos as En. has many of their own while we are limited to free versions on Commons. This is often only a quick preview and not an issue that gets bad. location infoboxes are not usually flooded with copyrighted info (Television, movies and songs are bad) so issue could be rare. This would lead to a copy/paste for the infobox and the adding of on line to state population in the prose but the outcome for the articles would be huge. Pure Evil (talk) 04:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing my silly mistake, I guess maybe that's a sign I should take a break off Wikipedia 😅 FatalFit | ✉ | ✓  22:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Twinkle

Thank you for your contributions. I think this can help you, have a look on the project's documention. MathXplore (talk) 01:56, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

@MathXplore Thank you! I will look into that. Kk.urban (talk) 01:58, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

thank you

• special:diff/8993508

This edit was my mistake, mistaken for a user subpage. Thank you for the guidance. 기나ㅏㄴ (talk) 06:29, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Santol (Cotton Fruit)‎

I intentionally suppressed the redirect because that is a bad disambiguation for a title. It should have been titled Santol (fruit) as there are no other fruits with this name, or the binomen, as I have done. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 05:23, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Fehufanga There's a link going to it from List of fruits, which is one of the most viewed pages on this site, which is why the page kept getting created and then deleted. Kk.urban (talk) 05:24, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

That's a bad link to a bad disambiguation. I've replaced it. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 05:25, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

A1

Hi there, I saw your A1 requests for Luis Molteni, Mico Cundari and Patrizia Scascitelli but deleted these under A4 instead. "X is a Y" type articles are not eligible for A1, because they do have some helpful information in them. However, in case of people like these, there is no claim to notability – there are many Italian actors, but simply being an actor doesn't make you notable. So, I deleted these under A4 (no claim to notability). I hope that helps. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ferien Ok, I will use A4 if I see articles like this again. Kk.urban (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Gravedancing

I agree on the keep vote, the page in question explains a bad behaviour, and I want to explain it in simple english. 88.110.38.249 (talk) 08:02, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Why

Hello sir please why do you ask for the dletetion of the page JulianahAdesfusi (talk) 02:01, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

Sonia (disambiguation).--Thanks for you already moving the title.--If the article works out, then fine. 2001:2020:341:C4EB:75FE:6DC4:C132:3B81 (talk) 22:36, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment on AN

Hi, I saw your comment and reversion on AN. There are no problems with that, that is completely acceptable per w:WP:REDACT. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Citations

When using a=cite templates the parameter |url-status is only to be used to tell the system how to display the original url when an archive url is given. If there is no archive-url, the presence of any |url-status parameter will cause an error and toss the article into an error cat. En has hundreds of thousands of articles with this problem. They are beyond hope.. We have... zero. I fixed 2000 plus and keep an eye on the cat daily for new entries. When you copy infoboxes from them, there is a good likelihood you are bringing the error with the box (4 of the ones you brought over yesterday had the error in the pop footnote reference) Category:CS1 maint: url-status is the maintenance cat in question. It has the info on what causes the error as well as how to set up your .css to display this and many other citation errors. Pure Evil (talk) 22:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I have added that as a css preference. I will look out for that now when I copy infoboxes. Kk.urban (talk) 22:45, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks ever so much for challenging my wording on the Articles of Confederation. It's been a long time since I took that class and I wasn't comfortable leaving as it was so did some research and you're correct. I've changed the wording. Could you imagine if modern-day Canada tried to join the US based on that? Not that we'd be interested mind you. :) fr33kman 01:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Facebook and Malo/Aore constituency

When reverting my change you commented, "Facebook is not a reliable source, but this is the official channel of the Vanuatu Election Office, which is a reliable primary source" But, that is in question. Readers and editors cannot view without a Facebook account. It may be claimed that the FB page is official, but cannot be independently verified. Needs a secondary source. Facebook is inherently unreliable. --Gotanda (talk) 11:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I can view part of it without a Facebook account, but not all. But this isn't a reason to not use a source - there are many paywalled websites and books used as sources. There's no inherent difference between using Facebook or a separate website to share documents - either way the reliable depends on who it comes from. I see that on all the official documents from the website (electoral.gov.vu), such as this document, they have a footer that includes a link to the Facebook account. If a .gov.vu isn't reliable, I don't know what is. Kk.urban (talk) 16:58, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) .gov.vu is not a reliable source regarding things involving itself (by default). No entity can be considered as totally neutral regarding its own activities. :) fr33kman 17:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

It's not neutral, but it's reliable. This is just for election results and proof that the Facebook page is actually from the Vanuatu Electoral Office. We can use official Vanuatu election reports for Vanuatu election results, just as official United States election reports are routinely used on Wikipedia for every US election.

See en:WP:PRIMARY: "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." Kk.urban (talk) 17:06, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm just stating that all such incidences must be viewed with a grain of salt. :) fr33kman 17:08, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Opossum

Thanks for cleaning up Opossum. My set up highlights ref errors in bright colors so I cant miss them so that page was just visually screaming at me. Hense, I see pages like that, I get testy.. And to remove/fix that and have it put back... again, thanks. Pure Evil (talk) 20:15, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

No problem. Oddly, they used "December 5, 2023" for some of the access dates. Kk.urban (talk) 21:15, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

You would be surprised how not odd that actually is.. I also see a lot of 1990s access dates.. a decade before wikipedia was created, people were accessing references. Pure Evil (talk) 01:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Clallam County edit reversion

Hi, you asked me to clarify my reason for removing the text saying that "Klallam" comes from a word meaning "the strong people." I didn't know where to respond, so here.

I study the Klallam language, and the phrase meaning "the strong people" is specifically ʔéɬx̣ʷaʔ nəxʷsƛ̕ay̕əm̕ ─ the name of the Elwha tribe. I don't know the specific meaning of nəxʷsƛ̕ay̕əm̕, which is (related to) the word that gives us "Klallam." Algæ (talk) 01:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Gaza and vicinity. Warfare and crime, touching bases.

"Template:Campaignbox 2023 Israel–Hamas war".--Hebrew links: I am guessing that en-wiki has those links, if a topic is covered at Hebrew-wikipedia (and En-wiki might have gotten their own (relevant) article later).-(In about a week, i intend to check the "war article" talk page. Please consider mentioning any major issues, about hebrew-links, there. And yes, the hebrew-links is now, c. a major issue, if those links make less sense now, than before.)--The above is the only thing i gleened/gleaned/skimmed from your post.--Again, i will try to check out article talk-pages, come time.--If this post makes sense to you, then fine.--Until c. next week. 2001:2020:321:80E7:A5F9:63FE:78FE:4D91 (talk) 18:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Adminship

You've shown the need for using the mop often enough. Have you thought about running to become an admin? I'm sure you'd make a good one. :) fr33kman 16:40, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

No, I've only been here for under 3 months, and I'm not very good with writing in simple English, notability, or other important things. Thanks though. Kk.urban (talk) 16:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

spammer

IP is spamming my talk page.... Thank you. Artes865556 (talk) 19:35, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Artes865556, I've blocked this IP from editing. Thanks! --Ferien (talk) 19:36, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Artes865556 (talk) 19:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Billy Graham rule

Regarding my deletion of one unsourced, unreferenced passage "is done to avoid sexual temptation," that is what was biased. The presence of a spouse or anyone else does not necessarily reduce sexual temptation. There is no support for that. There is plenty of support for the opposite in life, art, and literature. The deleted claim is biased. I suggest you undo your revert unless you find a reliable source. --Gotanda (talk) 06:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm making no comment on whether it reduces sexual temptation. I'm saying that's one of the reasons they do it. This is not about whether or not that's effective. These articles support this:

• https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/pence-wife-billy-graham-rule/521298/
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/03/30/the-religious-reasons-mike-pence-wont-eat-alone-with-women-dont-add-up/

There is another reason that is in the sources, but not mentioned on this article: They want to prevent the public from thinking that they MIGHT be having inappropriate relationships. Kk.urban (talk) 06:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

If you are "making no comment on whether it reduces sexual temptation" then the plain language of the article is not supported. People may make claims that it reduces temptation, but that is different. --Gotanda (talk) 23:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello

Hello sir can you please move this page Vaneesa Kahlon to Vanessa kahlon as there is spelling mistake in her name 223.189.16.73 (talk) 19:16, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, done. Kk.urban (talk) 19:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

On your revert...

Ununennium is the element with the smallest atomic number to not be created. This is because 119 is the smallest atomic number bigger than 118, the heaviest element to be created so far. CitationsFreak (talk) 20:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

@CitationsFreak Sorry, my bad. Kk.urban (talk) 21:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

How Can i Complaint in global Wiki

Hey @Kk.urban i am not happy with Simple English Wikipedia i think every editor is inter connected in This Wikipedia, I just created article Sharda Deepakraj Lala (entrepreneur)‎ on this Wikipedia and an editor asks for Qd Notability and then i placed Qd on The Vach by asking notability then the editor removed the tags by saying personal attack . what is this. Please guide me how can i raise my voice globally ? Brandom Mc Thompson (talk) 07:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban, this is all you need to know. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress. Thank you! .., (talk) 07:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't know whether these are notable but you can explain your case at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Kk.urban (talk) 07:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

i dont trust anyone in Simple English Wikipedia i want to raise my voice globally so is there any option?Brandom Mc Thompson (talk) 07:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

See m:Requests for comment. MathXplore (talk) 07:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy holidays

Hello Kk.urban: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, --Ferien (talk) 16:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message

Delete

I created a page by mistake please delete Kriji if you will not delete admins will block me please help Kriji Sehamati (talk) 20:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kriji Sehamati No worries, an admin will delete it and I don't think they will block you. Kk.urban (talk) 20:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Because i have created my own page by mistake. so if they block me i cant change Wikipedia i love to create Wikipedia Kriji Sehamati (talk) 20:13, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Drhuv Sharma

Hello, could you help me by giving your opinion on the query about the permanence of Dhruv Sharma and verify if my article, which I am building with effort, maintains notoriety. Thanks 190.219.223.166 (talk) 06:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Rollback granted

Hi Kk.urban, I decided to give you rollback as I think you could make good use of the tool and have quite a lot of reverting experience. It's like undo, but faster and can only be used for edits that are clearly vandalism. If in doubt, you can always still use undo. There's more about it at Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks for your contributions, --Ferien (talk) 18:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ferien Thanks, looks like we both left messages on each other's talk pages simultaneously! How is this different from rollback on Twinkle? Kk.urban (talk) 18:05, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll answer here as it'll probably be easier :P The rollback link on Twinkle is rollback-like, as it still uses the undo feature but reverts multiple edits, whereas rollback in MediaWiki reverts the edit pretty much immediately as you press the button. The rollback link also appears in other places that the Twinkle rollback button doesn't. --Ferien (talk) 18:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

It sounds like rollback will be faster and easier. Thank you! Kk.urban (talk) 18:13, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

A word on your edits

I appreciate your attempts to edit my articles, but I had those redlinks there in order for me to create them later. If you remove them, I'll never remember to do that. SurferSquall (talk) 22:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

@SurferSquall Some of those are okay, but:

• {{Short description}} should never be used on simplewiki. The descriptions come from Wikidata instead.
• We will never have stub templates as specific as "NorthamptonCountyVA-geo-stub". There are specific rules to create a new stub template, and they are created very rarely to keep things simpler. See WP:Simple Stub Project for more information.
• Any new category should have at least three items in it (articles, templates, or other categories).

Kk.urban (talk) 22:57, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Those categories will have far more than three items in a short time; I'm working on writing a considerable number of stub articles for various towns SurferSquall (talk) 23:00, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Wiki markup

First I want to thank you for your help. Now I've got the sandbox but I can't find the Wiki markup. could you please help me again? I hope this is not the wrong place or time to ask. اربابی دوم (talk) 17:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

@اربابی دوم This might help you: Help:Wiki markup. If you have any more questions, let me know. Kk.urban (talk) 22:21, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit on Skibidi Toliet

Hey! Yea you are right, I was not thinking right lol. Should have not edited after studying for too long ! Tsugaru let's talk! :) 15:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

COP 16

Hello, could you simplify this article into English and check the spelling and writing? https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COP16 --190.219.223.169 (talk) 04:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template

Hi. So the module has not been brought over to simple. Give me some time and I will get it all fixed for you. Whomever created the template did not do it correctly. I do have to test it first to make sure it does not break anything before pushing it out. I will let you know when I have completed it. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:16, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Kk.urban (talk) 19:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok so faster than I expected as it was never brought over or created prior. So it shows correctly now. The template change was created with some weird coding which it should not have been. But I looked at both versions you stated and they match. Spot check of articles linked to template are also correct. Let me know if you need anything else. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Kk.urban (talk) 19:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

No worries. Let me know if you find anything else odd that you come across and I will do my best to assist. I did mark it resolved on the admins noticeboard. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:35, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

wow this is so helpful Reatom2 (talk) 19:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks

It is not showing the redirect in the what links here like it is supposed to. Because for some reason instead of it being automatic, it requires me to put 0 in as the page to look at and press go. This is broken for some reason (like other things lately). Thanks for the revert. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Towns vs. Cities

Hi. I saw you added town to the cities category. The towns are not cities are very large with many streets and homes. Towns are small. Some are so small that there is not even a grocery store. Cities even have larger populations than towns do. That is why I removed them from that category. Can you please give rationale to why you put them in again please? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 15:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb Sorry, I'm not exactly sure what you mean, can you please link to the edit I made? Kk.urban (talk) 15:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey

Not sure why you posted the Quick Deletion on an RfD see here. Please don't put QD tags on an RfD as it throws off the entire thing and will cause the RfD to go into the QD bucket. Thanks. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 06:03, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Also, I am not sure why you reverted their edit] for the RfD. While it will be an obvious keep, it still needs to link to the RfD for the article until an admin makes the decision and removes. I have reversed your edit so it displays on the article. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 06:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb I thought the RfD should be deleted because it seemed like vandalism (claiming the UK was a hoax), but alright, thanks for the note. :) Kk.urban (talk) 06:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Rail transport in Denmark

Is it simple enough now? Rathfelder (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Rathfelder I would say probably not. It has complex sentences and word choices that could be simpler. But I'm not the best at simplifying and I won't restore the tag if someone removes it. Kk.urban (talk) 20:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I went ahead and made some corrections and fixed a few errors. It looks much better so I removed the tag. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Rail transport in Russia

I would value your opinion on the simplification of this - particularly the bits about density of operations. Rathfelder (talk) 20:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Rathfelder This one seemed a bit simpler than the others so I didn't tag it. It could probably be simpler but I couldn't tell you exactly what should be changed. Kk.urban (talk) 20:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Short, to-the-point sentences using simple words are best. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Template Issues

Hey whenever you have an issue with a template or anything feel free to hit me up first. I work a lot on and with them and I can usually fix them. If they are fully protected I can still get it adjusted as I can find the issue and tell them what needs to be changed. Just makes it easier for you and I’m usually around a lot more than an admin or I respond pretty fast on my talk page unless I’m sleeping (however my sleeping pattern differs due to work and where I’m at in the world). Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 05:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate it, thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 05:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Anytime! Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 05:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Re: Tommy Robinson

My apologies, the IP range appeared to have been making other disruptive changes, so I assumed that they had continued based on their edit summary, and reverted. I did not notice that it was actually what the article on enwiki had said. Will be more careful and check in the future. ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 20:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

No worries. Yes, they have vandalized that same article before. Kk.urban (talk) 20:50, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Adding a Section

I'm really new, and am trying to add what I believe is called a 'Section' to an existing article. The article is 'Wave Function, and it currently has just 1 section, 'Mathematical Interpretation'. Part of my problem is that I am so new that I still don't know the official terminology to use when looking for help, so here I am bothering you. The section would be named 'Probabilistic Nature. When I go to that 'Wave Function' page, I don't see anything that suggests a path to the procedures to allow me to do that.

Thanks, VoS SugarplumVisi*ns (talk) 18:31, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@SugarplumVisi*ns There are two ways to edit Wikipedia: the visual editor and the source editor.

To use the visual editor:

1. Click "Change"
2. Go to the position in the article where you want to add the section
3. Press the enter/return key to start a new line
4. There should be a button in the menu bar that says "Paragraph". Click this and it will give you more options. Click on "Heading" to create a new heading.
5. Type the name of the heading ("Probabilistic Nature")
6. Press the enter/return key again
7. Write anything you want in the section
8. Click "Publish changes"

To use the source editor:

1. Click "Change source"
2. Go to the position in the article where you want to add the section
3. Press the enter/return key to start a new line
4. Add your heading ("Probabilistic Nature") with two equals signs on both sides. Like this:

   ==Probabilistic Nature==

5. Press the enter/return key again
6. Write anything you want in the section
7. Click "Publish changes"

Does this make sense? Kk.urban (talk) 18:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this is just what I needed, thank you. One of my problems, in looking for help, was my failure to distinguish and note that I am only using, and interested in, the visual editor. I saw some info that mentioned those 'double equal signs', and messed around with that for a while (on the visual editor), with predictable results. I've actually had a small edit published on regular WP, using the visual editor, so I'm not totally ignorant...just mostly.

I thought that I read somewhere that you could start an article / section / edit, and then 'save' before publishing, knowing that you need to polish what you've done and prepare more content to add later. That's what I'm planning to do, hope it works. Thanks again.

VoS SugarplumVisi*ns (talk) 19:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Correcting placement of a citation

With your help, Kk, I was able to publish my first Simple English contribution, a section under the article 'Wave Function'. I could use a bit of help on 2 other issues: don't know how it happened, but the bracketed numbers identifying the books I cited appear in the PRIOR section, not the one I just published. I'm not sure how this happened, I'm pretty sure that I inserted them right after the text that I added. but the question now is, 'how can I correct this'?

My other question is about 'saving before publishing' an edit. I could not see how to do this, if in fact it can be done at all. My research on the question showed that you can accomplish what I had in mind using 'Draft: Create Beta'...but only in regular Wiki, not Simple English. Is there a way to accomplish this here? (I only use the Visual Editor)

VoS SugarplumVisi*ns (talk) 19:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@SugarplumVisi*ns Hi, your work on wave function looks good. It may be easier to write something before you add citations. Here's how to add citations in the right place:

1. Click the place on the page after the text you wrote.
2. Click the "Cite" button
3. Fill out the citation like you did before.

The citations will appear at the end of the section.

If you want to make a draft, you can create a user sandbox, like User:SugarplumVisi*ns/sandbox. (Click that link to create the sandbox.) You can save something there before you add it to an article. You will see that the buttom there still says "publish changes". That means that anybody will be able to see it, but it's not really "publishing". Kk.urban (talk) 22:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

It's hard to get used to being able to edit something that you didn't create, even if the thing you want to edit is something that you added to someone else's creation by mistake. I deleted the book citation numbers that were in the wrong place, and added them where they belonged, so the Wave Function section I added is all fixed now...this stuff is a lot easier when you know what you're doing.

I must be missing something, though, when I'm trying to use the sandbox. When I started to create the page that you suggested, User:SugarplumVisi*ns/sandbox, the 'notice' box on the right had these bullet point statements: a) to start a page called....just type in the box. You can click 'Show preview'....When you are finished, click 'Publish changes.' b) To learn more..... c) If you want to make test changes, please use the sandbox.

I thought that putting content on that page WAS using the sandbox. What am I missing?

Thanks, btw, for your encouraging words about my Wave Function addition.

VoS SugarplumVisi*ns (talk) 18:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@SugarplumVisi*ns Yes, putting content on that page is using the sandbox. The notice is just confusing. I'll ask the admins to change it. Kk.urban (talk) 18:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again for all of your help, Kk. I should be set now, the edits / additions that I plan for the future will pretty much follow this same template.

VoS SugarplumVisi*ns (talk) 18:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Archive

They were all unarchived already and put back in place. I had to do a revert due to an issue with undo. Just FYI. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 07:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb Are you saying that I was wrong to revert the archives from Talk:Main Page/Archive5? Kk.urban (talk) 07:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I’m saying they were already on there. Just like if you look at Archive6 the two on there are already on the main talk page as well. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 07:31, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb I think I understand. I have also removed the sections on Talk:Main Page that came from simple talk. Talk:Main Page/Archive6 is also an archive of sections from simple talk, so I think it should be deleted, until the bot needs a 6th archive page and creates one automatically. Kk.urban (talk) 07:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I saw that. Not sure where those came from to get on there. Are they still on simple talk? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 07:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb Yeah, so it could be QD'd. Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 07:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 07:39, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Acknowledging help

Hi Kk, I'm the rookie you helped with my Wave Function contribution, and it occurred to me that I should acknowledge the other help that I got, the person that motivated me to make contributions in the first place -- Molly White. Molly, a fellow administrator, has been involved with WP for almost 20 years, and has a newsletter / podcast on crypto & tech matters that I subscribe to. She recently did a post encouraging people to get started editing for WP that included a short video showing exactly how to make a simple edit. After watching it, I decided to give it a shot. Her podcast is terrific, and she is a huge asset to WP...as are you.

VoS

SugarplumVisi*ns (talk) 19:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@SugarplumVisi*ns That's great! I'm glad to hear that people are encouraging new users to contribute to Wikipedia. Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 23:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

These year articles

I remember seeing QDs on things like 290. What were the criteria for them to stay? Do you recall off hand? Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb I am not sure. Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 22:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks (QD nomination)

Center Lake Como. Thanks for nominating it. 2001:2020:31B:E8E9:E88E:A87C:7562:D4E8 (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok 2600:1700:103A:D800:5C5E:DB83:822E:5676 (talk) 18:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Election infobox

Hey I am ready to start making it, but what format do you think would be better?

1. Alphabetical
2. By vote status (i.e. republican or democratic win)
3. By region (Northeast, Southwest, Midwest, etc.)

Thanks and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 06:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb If you mean on the main page for the election (2020 United States presidential election), then I think alphabetical is best. If you mean on the page for every state, I don't think we need that. Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

It would be for the by state. That way we have a nav box so that readers can easily navigate to a state they want without doing any search. It is something normally done for larger article series and I think 51 articles would qualify for that. I can definitely add one to the main page too and do that it in alphabetical. Thanks and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 16:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

And actually thinking about it, I can just use the same one across all of them with the main article at the top then by state. Thanks and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 16:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb Do you mean a navbox that just has links to every state article without any extra information in the navbox? If so, that's a good idea.

I thought you meant a table for each state that shows that votes for each candidate. Or did you mean something else? Kk.urban (talk) 16:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

No just a nav box.

Title: 2020 United States Election

First row: Main article

Second and on by state alphabetically with just the links to the article. Thanks and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 16:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb Yes, that would be helpful. Alphabetical is best. Kk.urban (talk) 16:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I will start working on it shortly and you can take a look before I apply it across everything. Thanks and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 16:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

So I started it, I’m think I’m going to pipe the states off from the link to save space. What are your thoughts?

User:PotsdamLamb/Navboc Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────────────┘
Here ya go 2020 United States presidential election in Wyoming. All are linked with the nav box I created. Let me know your thoughts please. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 11:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Kk.urban (talk) 15:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Opinion

What is your opinion on Observation.org? I tried simplifying it as much as I could. If you think it needs more simplification, what tips would you give me? I am not used to writing articles, but am giving it a try. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb IMO, it has far too many complex words. You can use this website to help find them: https://www.lextutor.ca/vp/comp/ The interface is quite confusing, but I just copy the text, enter it into the box, and press "SUBMIT_window", ignoring all the other buttons. Then it color codes words by grade level - blue K-1 words are the best. I would also recommend changing passive voice to active voice. Unfortunately, I'm not the best at simplifying myself. Kk.urban (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

LOL I would redesign that page to make it easier. Ok let me try it and see what happens. Thanks. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I do not know if I can make it much simpler. Shortened sentences, made most complex words simple or if I could not, I wikt'd them. Now what do you think? Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I should note, per our guidelines, we are aiming for at least 7-9th grade so I aimed for 8th graders. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

It is funny

I was wondering about that. I think we need to list at the top what the criteria are to be listed on which list. When I went to the towns, I saw it becomes a city at 2,000 people? That is low as heck for a "city." Thanks for fixing it. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb It's decided based on the state laws, it looks like a town is allowed to become a city if they get 2,000 people but they don't have to. I could also combine them into one list if that would be better. Kk.urban (talk) 02:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

That is up to you. I just know when the IP editor added it, the formatting was wrong so I reverted and added for them with no clue about it. But you fixed it and you love your states :P (based on your user page). Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb Yeah that's the main reason I'm here, I wanted to update everything because this wiki had fallen behind. I'm almost done with the project. Kk.urban (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You sticking around after? You are a great help. I would not want to see you move to another project and add all the US state info in other languages. Plus you help keep me sane. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey so I found a red link you may be interested in creating List of townships in Indiana. It is linked from the infobox on French Lick, Indiana. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 07:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

We'll see. I may have less time for Wikipedia in the near future. Kk.urban (talk) 15:28, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Your comments

While everyone is allowed to make comments, your comments at User talk:Phamy1#April 2024 where not necessary. The page has already been deleted as it was not acceptable and they also inserted POV statements on it. You did this earlier on Davey's talk page too stating you do not need rollback rights to use twinkle. Some users actually do or they need more edits than just a basic 15 edits in a month. Please make a better judgement before posting your comments. As a side note, we typically do not list terms that Trump uses to describe people as they are severe POVs from his standpoint and others repeating them and attempting to make a page for it just adds more fuel to the fire and also shows support for Trump which we do not, as wikipedia, do not endorse any political candidate or incumbent. We only state facts, not opinions. If you would, please strike your comment from Phamy1's TP. Also, we have reverted some of their edits as they have introduced POV into some articles. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb Personally, I think that nickname could be notable as a Wikipedia article, or mentioned on another page. For example, English Wikipedia has an article for it, but they also have en:List of nicknames used by Donald Trump. It could also be deleted at RfD. However, I don't think it merits a warning, so I won't strike out my comment. As for adding POVs on other pages, I hadn't realized that, so it is good that you are reverting them.

As for Twinkle, anyone can use it if they are autoconfirmed. I know I used it, long before I had rollback rights. Nobody needs permission to use it. Thanks. Kk.urban (talk) 20:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Just a note that I don't have rollback rights, and use Twinkle all the time. I don't know why or where it is suggested you need rollback rights to use it. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski See comment I just posted. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I can't find anything anywhere about it being anything other than an autoconfirmed. That's how it should work. If we know of someone who is autoconfirmed and it doesn't work, we should get them to either post up at en:Wikipedia talk:Twinkle (which is where Meta points to), or raise a phabricator ticket. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski Please remember to ping me so I can see where you posted. Also, please allow me a couple of minutes to respond. See my comment I just posted. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski Also, like me, not everyone can post on ENWP. Also a lot of people do not have access to Phabricator or even know about it. So I can post one when I have the info in which I just got a notification the maintainer emailed me back. So give me a few minutes to read it. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Everyone has access to phabricator, but I understand it can be a bit daunting. If you have a user, I don't mind getting it checked out. I can't imagine it is supposed to be anything other than autocofirmed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski I am already on with a maintainer of it. I just replied to them with all the information and diffs they needed. I will post back when I know more. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban As I said, not everyone can use it. It is some change they made. I have to find it again. I think it has to do with a new code they put on it regarding implicit autoconfirmed from another wikipedia. Basically if they are on another wikipedia for a while, they get auto autoconfirmed the moment they join and twinkle will not load for them. I actually need to post about it to their page.

As for what ENWP has, that is fine, but we do not have that here and granted, yes he has a lot of names for everything, some not close to even being nice, however, a lot of them are not simple and would need explaining in simple terms. Also, see Eptalon's statement on the talk page now.

you might not agree it warranted a warning, due to the POV on it they put when creating it, it is an inappropriate page, thus meriting a warning. If they didn't create it with the POV, then yes no warning would have been given for an inappropriate page, and instead a WP:NPOV warning. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb This information about the deleted article is useful to know. I remembered seeing the article before it was deleted, and I knew there was a corresponding article on enwiki, but I didn't know exactly what the content was.

Also, if you do find such a change in Twinkle, I would appreciate it if you let me know, because it seems important. Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 20:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I just emailed one of the maintainers since I cannot post on ENWP. They are very active so I am sure I will hear from them fast to see what else changed. I will keep you posted. Both users having this issue are coming from different wiki's so it may be something with their status or something else completely altogether. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb Twinkle isn't enabled automatically when you get autoconfirmed. You have to select it. It's also possible that these users didn't know how to find it. Kk.urban (talk) 21:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I actually explained step-by-step how to find it and they still didn't see it. I have the email from the maintainer. They asked for more detailed information so let me send it so they can investigate it further. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't really mind that getting deleted, so thanks for explaining your reasoning. Kk.urban (talk) 20:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Twinkle Update

@Lee Vilenski and KK.urban - So it should be working for them. The maintainer is reaching out to the user who is verified as autoconfirmed to have them do some debugging to find out why it is not working for them. You are correct in stating that autoconfirmed is all they need for most functions, but not all. I was looking at template code being added to the interface. The conversation can be found at Why am I not autoconfirmed. This is now up to the maintainer and the user to find out what is going on. Thanks for your help. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

No worries. That's pretty much how I understood it to be. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 21:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski and KK.urban - No worries. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

thank you

Thank you for adding the translation templates to my pages 🙂 I was trying to do that but hadn't got very far. Irtapil (talk) 15:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)