Rathfelder

Welcome

Hello! I am assuming you have come over from the English Wikipedia, so you are probably familiar with the way this wiki works. I hope you like it here and decide to stay. Here are a few links to help you adjust:

• An English Wikipedian's guide
• Writing in Simple English
• Simple talk: our help desk, reference desk and village pump- in one page
• How to copy from English Wikipedia

There is much to do here. For example, there are a lot of articles that do not exist yet, which you can bring over from the English Wikipedia and simplify. Do have a look around and see what you would like to do. Thank you for joining us, and you know how to contact me if you need help. Operator873 ^connect 22:10, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

And also, please do be aware of the WP:ONESTRIKE policy on this project. Operator873 ^connect 22:10, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I am certainly not planning to do anything improper. I may struggle to get some of this content into Simple English so I would be very happy to get advice or assistance. Rathfelder (talk) 22:15, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm starting with social security, on the basis that it is something people who come to the UK and dont speak much English might need to know about. Rathfelder (talk) 22:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

You really need to stop editing for a bit until you're able to read WP:HOW since most of your edits contain complex language. Operator873 ^connect 23:59, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I am still working on them. I have read WP:HOW. I do work with people with learning difficulties and poor English in this area. I am worried that if we depart too far from the words used by officials the articles will be less helpful. We need to keep the names of the laws. Many of the terms are prescribed in law and using different words can easily be misleading. And some very basic words, like mental and disability, for example, dont appear in the word list and the Wiktionary definition doesnt seem very helpful. I entirely agree that editing here is much harder. Easier to write for the Guardian than the Sun.

Do you think the changes I've made are moving in the right direction? Rathfelder (talk) 08:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

NB many of the existing articles in this area use complex language without explanation and some are incomprehensible to me. Rathfelder (talk) 09:11, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

January 2023

Hello, Rathfelder! Here at Simple English Wikipedia we use the section heading "Other websites" instead of English Wikipedia's "External links", which you used in "Department for Work and Pensions". This makes it simpler and easier to read. Please remember to use "Other websites" in articles that you create in the future. Thank you for your help! InfernoGaming46 (IG46) (talk / changes) 23:06, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Still learning! Rathfelder (talk) 23:10, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Law enforcement category

I think it would make more sense to put Category:Police inside Category:Law enforcement, instead of the other way around. However, I'm not really sure what the difference is between the two categories. Do you know? Maybe they are both the same and should be merged? Lights and freedom (talk) 22:52, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree police should be inside. I dont think they are the same thing. Police are only one way in which laws are enforced, although the term is much used in the USA, but even there I think there are other ways in which laws are enfoced. Rathfelder (talk) 22:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Do you think prisons should be included in the category? Lights and freedom (talk) 22:57, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I think so, and also fines and probation and the like, if we have articles about them. Maybe even some aspects of religion. Rathfelder (talk) 22:59, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Legal terms category

What makes something a legal term? Why is Divorce a legal term, but Eviction is not? Lights and freedom (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Good question. I'm still working on them. I wouldn't actually put either in Category:Legal terms. I think that is really for words only used in courts or by lawyers. I've been moving stuff out of the main Category:Law which was really over full. I'm planning to come back to the subcategories in the next few days. Rathfelder (talk) 20:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Divorce is definitely a legal term, whereas "separation" is just an adjective which may or may not get used in a particular court case. A legal term would be one used in actual legislation, with an agreed definition in law. However, one might find that separation does have a legal definition. For example, the use of a length of time might allow a court to decide that a separation was grounds for divorce. In the last resort, if a term is used in legislation, then it it a legal term. Of course, there are differences between countries, that has to be considered. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:15, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

But I dont think we want the categories to run on the last resort. There are probably hundreds of thousands of terms which are used in legislation. "Death" for example has legal definitions (rather wonderfully different in different countries). I think it should be for words which people are most likely to come across in a legal context. Rathfelder (talk) 10:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Category:European organizations

May I ask how this category is different from Category:Organizations based in Europe? MathXplore (talk) 12:17, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

This is for international organisations covering Europe. most of Organizations based in Europe cover just one country, or some, the whole world. Rathfelder (talk) 12:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Then I think the category should be renamed like "Category:International organizations based in Europe", as same as enwiki, what do you think about this? MathXplore (talk) 12:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

That would be different. Being based in Europe is not the same as having Europe as the area covered. Large numbers of international organisastions are baed in Brussels or in Switzerland but they aspire to cover the world.Rathfelder (talk) 12:25, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

For international organisations, where they are based is not really defining.Rathfelder (talk) 12:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

But maybe it should be a subcateghory of Organizations based in Europe?Rathfelder (talk) 12:38, 21 February 2023 (UTC)‎

I think African organisations would also be a helpful category.Rathfelder (talk) 12:27, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Helpful page

Hello, and thank you for your helpful changes here :) I'm not sure if anyone has pointed you in this direction, but you may find this user essay helpful in pointing out the differences between enwiki and simplewiki. Best regards, --IWI (talk) 15:53, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

All very sensible! Rathfelder (talk) 15:57, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Supreme Court cases

I feel like Category:United States Supreme Court cases should be somehow categorized under Category:United States law. But I'm not sure if this should be directly categorized, or if the whole US judicial system should be under United States law. What do you think? Lights and freedom (talk) 19:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

We probably need a category of US caselaw and this would be a sub cat of it. Rathfelder (talk) 19:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Category:Liverpool

Hello, Rathfelder. I noticed that you did some edits so that this is the live category instead of Category:Liverpool, Merseyside. When you make a change like that, please make sure to change the Wikidata entry as well, so that the correct category is in the interwiki links there. If you don't know how to do that, let me know and I'd be glad to explain it. Thanks!

By the way, it's often better to make this kind of change with a move instead of editing the pages involved. With a move, not only is that history preserved, but the Wikidata change is taken care of. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea how to change wikidata entries! Rathfelder (talk) 17:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Here's a way to do it in this case. (It maybe different in other cases.)

1. Go to the category on English Wikipedia.
2. Along the left side of the page, find the list of languages and click on "Edit links" at the bottom of the list.
3. That brings you to the interwiki link section of the Wikidata page for the category. In the heading for that section, click on "Edit".
4. Scroll down to the entry for simple and change the name of the category.
5. Back in the heading for the section, click on "Publish". You're done!

Let me know if you'd like more information. Thanks again! -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I gave you this info so that you could make the change, but if you want me to do it, just let me know. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I think I will leave it to you. I cant find a Wikidata page for the category.Rathfelder (talk) 09:54, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Done. The Wikidata page is here. -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Year establishment categories

Why do each of these categories need two navigation boxes? Lights and freedom (talk) 22:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

They dont, but Navseasoncats seems better than what they had. Not sure whether I can just take the other one off. Rathfelder (talk) 22:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

We can improve the template {{establishment year}} if the navigation box doesn't look very good. But it's not broken, it does its job... --Ferien (talk) 22:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

It should be one or the other. The only difference I can see is that the one you're adding links to adjacent decades. Lights and freedom (talk) 22:07, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. Establishment year seems confined by decades. I dont know anything about templates, so improving that would be a better option if someone can do that. Rathfelder (talk) 22:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Category:Settlements in Indonesia

I believe I mentioned to you before that this wiki doesn't categorize settlements (including cities, towns, etc.) under geography, and that if you wanted to change that then we should get consensus via discussion. So please do not move them under geography until and unless there is consensus about that. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 13:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I raised this issue in Simple Talk and your view did not get any support. It undermines the basic principle of categorisation. Rathfelder (talk) 13:44, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Do you mean this? One person asked you to explain your initial post, which didn't mention the specific issue, and no one responded with an opinion supporting either side -- that is not consensus.

I can see your point about this being contrary to the way categorization is done elsewhere. However, this is not the only thing this wiki does differently and I don't think it undermines anything. -- Auntof6 (talk) 14:16, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

You may think that, but it doesnt appear to be a documented policy and when I raised the issue in Simple Talk nobody supported your position. Categorization is fundamentally hierarchical. I dont see why it should be different in geography than in other areas. Rathfelder (talk) 14:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I said: I was asked to start a discussion arising from Category:Settlements by country, which I think should be sub categories of Category:Geography by country. I was told that " we don't categorize them that way here. We use the geography categories for physical geography only." Nobody suggested I was wrong. I think if you think there is a contrary policy you need to establish that, given that it contradicts the fundamental principle, " Pages should be placed in the lowest level of the category tree that applies to them" which is the same here as on other Wikipedias. Rathfelder (talk) 16:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

As frustrating as it might be, not everything is determined by a policy or guideline. Some things are determined by established practice. All I asked was that if you're going to change a long-established practice, you discuss it so that people have a chance to say something about it if they want to and they aren't surprised by it. It wasn't until later in the section that you mentioned the issue of putting settlements under geography. By that point, people may have read the first post, decided they didn't have any input, and moved on. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I dont think we should tolerate long-established practice which is not in accordance with published policies. Its a good way of making the thing elitist. There is far too much of it here. Rathfelder (talk) 19:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore the head category, Category:Settlements is a subcategory of Category:Geography. You put it there. If there is to be any discussion of the relationship that is where it should take place.Rathfelder (talk) 07:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Categorizing

Thanks for categorizing those articles that were in Category:Category needed. (I noticed them because I watch that category.) I'd like to suggest that you look at the guideline Wikipedia:Categories#Categorizing_people to get a good picture of what categories are needed on biographical articles. In particular, I noticed that some of the articles you categorized still need the defaultsort as well as categories for birth year and/or death year (or the equivalent categories if you don't know those things). Thanks again, and if you have any questions about this, feel free to ask. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Flood flag

Hello there, thank you for your categorization work. However, as you can see on the RecentChanges, it is flooding the feed. Would you be alright if I give you the flood flag? This will hide your edits from the recent changes until the flood flag expires. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 09:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

I dont know what a food flag is, but if it helps .... Rathfelder (talk) 09:59, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

The flood flag hides your edits from the recent changes feed. It is useful when you're doing many repetitive and uncontroversial edits. That way, people that patrol the recent changes feed will not see your changes. I'll give it to you for an hour. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 10:02, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 10:11, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:HotCat

I think this tool can help your works. Thank you for the contributions. MathXplore (talk) 08:43, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata

At some point, can you connect your new categories to Wikidata? Thanks. Lights and freedom (talk) 21:42, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

That seems to happen automatically. I have had loads of message to say its happened. Rathfelder (talk) 21:44, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

MathXplore has been connecting them. I just connected Crinan Canal. Lights and freedom (talk) 21:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea how to do it. Rathfelder (talk) 21:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Try this: User:Auntof6/How_to#Interwiki_language_links_for_new_pages. Lights and freedom (talk) 22:05, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I dont have language on the left. "On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title." There is no link that says "Add links". Rathfelder (talk) 07:51, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

It looks like you are using the new Vector skin. The link is called "Add interlanguage links". — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 08:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Redlinks on templates

Please don't remove redlinks on templates, we leave them on templates on purpose on this wiki in order to know what articles we have to create. -Djsasso (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I think that is a very bad policy. It fills them with useless (as far as readers go) redlinks and makes the list of Wanted pages unusable. These templates have been imported from other wikis with no effort to adapt them. Unless you can point me to an agreed policy which confirms what you say I will continue. Rathfelder (talk) 16:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Because we are much smaller than English Wikipedia, we try harder to convert those readers into creating articles by leaving red links in both templates and articles at a higher rate than English Wikipedia. Templates are the most effective way of doing that. It has been discussed and reaffirmed many many times on Simple Talk. I will look for a recent discussion on it. Templates should definitely have text changed to Simple English where applicable, but other than that, generally our templates will look identical to English ones. -Djsasso (talk) 16:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

If that is the policy it makes Wanted pages useless.Rathfelder (talk) 16:31, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Yeah that is true, it doesn't really help in the way that it might on other Wikis. For people looking for something to create I often point them towards Wikipedia:List of articles all languages should have/Expanded which has a lot of red links on it still that should be created. That is the source of the selected Wanted Pages we put on the top of Special:RecentChanges. -Djsasso (talk) 16:41, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

But the idea that we should have comprehensive set of articles about Italian villages like "Lusernetta is a comune in the Metropolitan City of Turin in the Piedmont region in Italy." as generated by Template:Metropolitan City of Turin is crazy. There are never going to be 5 million articles in this wikipedia. Rathfelder (talk) 16:46, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

The ?

I noticed that you would add topics called "?" and the content is just ? and your signature. Does this do something? I'm still quite new so I don't know what you are doing. Angerxiety^! 14:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I am taking unwanted red links out of Special:WantedPages. These talk pages seem to have been deleted when they shouldnt have been. Rathfelder (talk) 15:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh I see, thanks! - Angerxiety^! 15:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

If a talk page was deleted when it shouldn't have been, then it can be restored. Please don't create talk pages just to resolve red links. There's no need to have the talk pages if there's no actual discussion. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:39, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

How can it be restored when there is no content? Rathfelder (talk) 17:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

If there's no content, then it probably never existed and wasn't actually deleted. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:57, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

By deleting them you are disrupting Special:WantedPages Please dont do that. Rathfelder (talk) 18:59, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

There's no such thing as disrupting that page. Just because something appears there, that doesn't mean the page really needs to be created. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Redirects from article space to category space

Please don't create redirects from article space to category space, as you did with List of people from Vermont. As I mentioned above, the fact that something appears on Special:WantedPages is not reason by itself to create a page. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:12, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

It means that readers get a list of people in Vermont instead of a redlink. Why would we not do that? Rathfelder (talk) 16:34, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Medical specialties

We have:

• Category:Cardiology - Category:Cardiovascular system - Category:Diseases and disorders of the cardiovascular system - Category:Heart disease
• Category:Dermatology - Category:Integumentary system - Category:Skin - Category:Skin problems
• Category:Endocrinology - Category:Endocrine system - Category:Endocrine diseases
• Category:Gastroenterology - Category:Digestive system - Category:Diseases and disorders of the digestive system
• Category:Ophthalmology - Category:Eye - Category:Diseases and disorders of the eye
• Category:Pulmonology - Category:Respiratory system - Category:Breathing problems

So my question is, what should be the hierarchy for each of these things? Should each disease/disorder category go in both the medical specialty category and the organ system category? Lights and freedom (talk) 21:51, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I have been thinking about this. I dont think illnesses should be directly in the ology categories if we can avoid that. I've made several "problems" categories because I think that is good for simple English. The anatomical categories should be the top level. I'm inclined to think the medical speciality and the disease/problem category should both be subordinate to that. Its not obvious that either should be a subcategory of the other. But I'm open to persuasion, and maybe that works OK for some of them.

Something I am not happy about is the way Category:Diseases and disorders works. There isnt really a clear distinction between a disease and a disorder. But I'm not sure how to improve it. Any thoughts? Rathfelder (talk) 22:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I think the diseases categories should be in ology categories, because the field of medicine is mainly designed to treat diseases of that region. Lights and freedom (talk) 18:52, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Some diseases dont fit neatly onto an ology, and quite a lot of them fall into more than one ology. Furthermore medicine is getting more and more specialised, so we will be getting quite a few more ology categories. What I really am unhappy about is putting the diseases themselves into an ology category. If we have a category for neurological problems, or diseases of the nervous system, then that could be a subcategory of neurology. Rathfelder (talk) 20:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I would think category:heart disease can go in cardiology, category:endocrine diseases can go in endicrinology, etc. The diseases themselves don't have to be in the category. Lights and freedom (talk) 21:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Quite happy with that. We will still have boundary problems though - for example between psychiatry and neurology. Rathfelder (talk) 21:04, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

• First point: this discussion should be taking place on a central page so that all are aware of it. Other users' rights are important.

Second point: the only agreement we have for undiscussed issues is to follow En wiki. A large number of qualified people have contributed to that wiki on this and other technical subjects. We need to be careful, and to follow En wiki except where there is a real consensus on this wiki. I'm not against changes, especially if it can be shown that our categories do not align with En wiki. I think the views expressed here are perfectly proper, but I think they should be transferred to a central page so that other users can follow it, and comment if they wish. Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

There isnt anywhere central to discuss categories. Rathfelder (talk) 08:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Organizations based in states

I don't think government bodies, such as a State Senate and State Assembly, should be categorized as Organizations. Lights and freedom (talk) 19:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Lights and freedom: For what it's worth, enwiki has en:Category:Legislatures not only in en:Category:Legal organizations, but also in en:Category:Government institutions, which is in en:Category:Government-related organizations.

Even if that weren't the case, though, I would disagree that legislatures and their houses aren't organizations. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:36, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

We need to distinguish (though articles often dont) between organisations and their buildings. But its hard to see that a parliament or senate is not an organisation. If we had more articles we could give government bodies their own categories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization

I've noticed that articles about the Government of Foo are often in Organizations based in Foo categories.

Institution is really just another word for organisation.

What would be most helpful for people with limited command of English? Rathfelder (talk) 19:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Family of Muhammad

I'm not a Muslim and I don't know the subject very well, but I think the term for Muslims who were alive at the time of Muhammad is Category:Sahaba (or Companions of the Prophet). Many of his family members would likely go there. Of course, it's possible that some family members weren't Muslims, or died before Islam was founded. Lights and freedom (talk) 19:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Maybe the family should be a subcategory of Sahaba? Rathfelder (talk) 20:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Cats on user pages

Hi, Rathfelder. When you find categories on user pages that don't belong there, you can disable them without deleting them. That way, they don't get lost if the user is working on something. To disable a category, just put a colon between the opening square brackets and the word "Category", like this:

[[:Category:Living people]]

Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:58, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Nobody seems to be working on most of the pages I've done that to. And deleting can easily be undone. Rathfelder (talk) 08:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Schuschnigg...

Hello,En:Kurt Schuschnigg was an important person in the history of Austria. he ruled Austria from 1934 to 1938. Yes, he emigrated to the United States, but I don't think he was an academic from Missouri. So perhaps reconsider the category. Eptalon (talk) 05:59, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

He started a new life in the USA. He was an academic in Missouri, not in Austria. "From" is ambiguous. Rathfelder (talk) 07:54, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Minor Barnstar
		Hello! I noticed all your work in recent changes and wanted to thank you for taking the time to do all of it. Bobherry Talk My Changes 21:32, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

AWB/JWB

Hello @Rathfelder! Thanks for your recent contributions. I wanted to ask if you were interested/aware of AutoWikibrowser. It will allow you to make your changes quicker. If you’re interested, you can simply request it here: Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPageJSON. This also allows you to use WP:JWB. Illusion Flame (talk) 21:39, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I did try it once but couldnt get it to work Rathfelder (talk) 21:41, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

And I need to check it will work. Rathfelder (talk) 21:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

I would try reading the documentation page again. Do you want the permissions? Illusion Flame (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

I think I should, but I ma not very keen. Ive seen too many categorisations messed up by templates. Rathfelder (talk) 21:47, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	Thank you for making daily extrenuous and repetitive tasks every day on Wikipedia. You have put extreme amounts of effort into this project and I thank you greatly for that. FatalFit | ✉ | ✓  18:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

XX century cats

Hi, these should be at "Category:XXth-century foos" rather than "Category:XXth century foos", per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Longer time periods. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 10:35, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

And the same applies to the millennium ones as well. --Ferien (talk) 10:38, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Do you think the hyphen is necessary in simple English? What does it signify? Rathfelder (talk) 10:40, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

The policy gives us both "the 19th century", and "a 19th-century book" Rathfelder (talk) 10:41, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

As of the policy, what it is saying is that "the 19th century" would be used if the 19th century was a thing we are talking about, but if it is an adjective, we use a hyphen. --Ferien (talk) 16:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Not sure it really "signifies" something, but it is correct grammar. When used as an adjective, the words are hyphenated. When used as a noun, they are separate. For example:

• This book was written in the 19th century.
• This is a 19th-century book.

A similar example is when talking about stained glass. When using it to describe a window, it's "stained-glass window". When talking about it by itself, it's "stained glass" without the hyphen. For example:

• This is a stained-glass window.
• This window is made with stained glass.

The grammatical term for this is "compound modifier." You can see more examples at en:English compound#Hyphenated compound modifiers. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:10, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Usage is by no means universal, as you can see by inspecting this page [[1]]. So my question is still, Do we think this usage is appropriate or helpful in Simple English? (And I ask as a qualified teacher of English) Rathfelder (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't know why it would be inappropriate or unhelpful. In addition, en:MOS:CENTURY says:

Centuries and millennia are identified using either Arabic numerals (the 18th century) or words (the second millennium), with in-article consistency (MOS:ORDINAL notwithstanding). When used adjectivally they contain a hyphen (nineteenth-century painting or 19th-century painting).

That is from English Wikipedia, but we use their guidelines for topics that don't have specific guidelines here. -- Auntof6 (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Does the hyphen add any meaning? Rathfelder (talk) 22:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Meaning isn't the point. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

What is the point of an encyclopedia other than meaning? Rathfelder (talk) 22:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

If we dont have a guideline, how do we make one? Rathfelder (talk) 09:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for categorizing!

I noticed that you categorized some articles that were in Category:Category needed. Thanks for doing that. When you categorize, it would help if you also do the following:

• If the article is about a living person, include the category Category:Living people.
• Include a DEFAULTSORT where needed. This is needed in most articles about people, and also in some other articles.

You can find more information about this at the guideline Wikipedia:Categories#Categorizing people. Thanks again for helping with this! -- Auntof6 (talk) 16:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

July 2023

Welcome to Wikipedia. A page you made, 10th century BC, did not meet our rules for new pages, so it has been removed. Please use the sandbox for any tests. You may also want to read our introduction page to learn more about changing. Thank you. Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron (talk) 19:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

What rule did it not meet? Rathfelder (talk) 20:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Any article can be quickly deleted if it:

Is very short and provides little or no meaning (e.g., "He is a funny man that has created Factory and the Hacienda. And, by the way, his wife is great."). Having a small amount of content is not a reason to delete if it has useful information. Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron (talk) 20:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

This was part of a huge series of similar articles. What about the hundreds of others? Rathfelder (talk) 20:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

It only said when the century starts and ends. Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron (talk) 20:44, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

A bit like 1st millennium? Rathfelder (talk) 20:55, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I think that should be deleted too. Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron (talk) 20:56, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Or maybe not because it has links? I don't know for sure. Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron (talk) 20:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I think it more sensible to leave such articles where they are part of a well established pattern and are helpful markers. Rathfelder (talk) 20:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay. I won't nominate any more of them for deletion. Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron (talk) 20:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) When articles about years, centuries, etc., contain only the generic information that's at the top of all such pages, and they don't contain any other info that's specific to the topic, we have usually deleted them for the reason that this one was nominated. @Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron: feel free to nominate them when you see them, but they're likely to get deleted on sight even if you don't. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:09, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		For your great work with making categories and adding them to pages. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:15, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Categorization of Yugoslavians

Hi there, I would like to propose categorization split in Cat:Yugoslavian people. See, like Soviet Union, Yugoslavia was an umbrella term for multiple nationalities, so IMO it's appropriate to sort them under Slovenian sportspeople, Croatian sportspeople etc. As I saw recently you're doing the most categorization here, I'm intrested about your perspective. Thanks, A09 (talk) 19:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

When they competed internationally they competed for Yugoslavia. Its misleading to put them a Croatian Olympians. Ditto for the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia and some other countries. And people clearly moved about all those countries. We can put them as people from Split or wherever, without a problem. I think people should be categorised by countries as the country was when they were there. It does get quite difficult when you look for example at the history of Poland. Rathfelder (talk) 19:21, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

What about "Yugoslavian Olympians from ..."? My humble opinion is that "Soviets", "Yugoslavians" etc. are problematic as those were all multi-national countries. Agree with you that they competed for Yugoslavia, that wasn't even my intention to negate. A09 (talk) 19:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Mostly I have them in 2 categories - Croatian sportspeople and Yugoslavian Olympians for example. Dont forget this problem is not unique to Yugoslavia. There isnt a British football team -there are seperate ones for Scotland, Wales, England and NI. Sports have their own rules for countries and within a sport we have to try and follow them. Rathfelder (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Cause of death categories

Why do you keep removing them from pages? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Categories are supposed to be defining. For people who die of natural causes in old age they arent. Rathfelder (talk) 15:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Question

I just brought Female reproductive system over from en wp. I am working on its simplification. I would like to know if you help get its categories up to speed. If anyone knows categories it is you. I respect your work. Regards, Barbara (talk) 23:00, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Since there is a category with the same name, that is the only category that's really needed on the article. Any other relevant categories would go on the category itself. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

That is very kind.

This sort of article, which has its own category should normally just be in that category.

Categorisation is not an exact science. It's about successive approximation. Be bold! Rathfelder (talk) 09:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Czechoslovakian

Do you think Category:Czechoslovakian Olympic gold medalists should be changed to "Czechoslovak" to match the other categories? 2607:F140:400:A000:5091:105D:5582:FD0E (talk) 19:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I think people use both, but we should be consistent. Even though I wasnt. Rathfelder (talk) 19:20, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Help please

Hi! I've created an article (yes, I do write in mainspace from time-to-time) called Grocer. It needs cats. Could you do that for me? Thanks a lot!!:) fr33kman 15:20, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

certainly. Though we may need some new ones in this area. Rathfelder (talk) 16:36, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for helping!! :) fr33kman 18:55, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Flood

Hi. I've given you flood until midnight as you are flooding Recent Changes. Let me know if you don't want or need it. :) fr33kman 21:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. You are the only person who does this. Rathfelder (talk) 21:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That's because it's better for you to ask ahead of time before doing mass changes. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:34, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

I almost always do lots of small changes. Rathfelder (talk) 09:59, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

I generally give it to you when I notice you are doing more than 30 edits per hour or when you are actually flooding recent changes. fr33kman 19:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. This message is being sent to tell you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Disruptive RfD nominations by Rathfelder". Thank you. --Ferien (talk) 21:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Marie-Jean Hérault de Séchelles

Thanks for categorizing this article. As mentioned above, please include a defaultsort in articles about people. Thanks! -- Auntof6 (talk) 12:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Why is this down to me and not the author of the article? Rathfelder (talk) 12:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

The author should have done it, and should have added categories, too. But the defaultsort comes info play only when there are categories, so when you add categories the defaultsort is needed.

And now that I think about it, some non-biographical articles also need a defaultsort, but the biographical ones almost always need them. -- Auntof6 (talk) 13:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

I do try to do this, but I dont always notice. Rathfelder (talk) 13:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Need Help Regarding Twinkle Tool

Hello @Rathfelder i saw that you are very experienced editor. will you please help me, how to activate twinkle tool? Jhon Mathewww (talk) 20:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I think you go to the My settings on your user page and then look for the heading Gadgets. There should be a box for twinkle that you can tick. Good luck! Rathfelder (talk) 20:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank You @Rathfelder Jhon Mathewww (talk) 20:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jhon Mathewww A comment: I don't think you can use Twinkle until your account is 4 days old and has 10 edits. Kk.urban (talk) 21:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

yes i didn't see twinkle tool so i activated Hot Cat for now. Jhon Mathewww (talk) 21:02, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jhon Mathewww Hot Cat can be used to add categories to articles. Kk.urban (talk) 21:07, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Pitt County, North Carolina

Hi, I noticed you removed the complex tag on Pitt County, North Carolina. Do you really think this paragraph is simple enough?

In the early twentieth century Pitt was a typical Democratic "Solid South" county, where there were large numbers of disenfranchised blacks and the small white electorate voted overwhelming majorities for the Democratic Party. Pitt voted for the Democratic Party in every election from at least 1876 until American Independent candidate George Wallace gained a plurality in 1968. Apart from Richard Nixon's overwhelming victory over George McGovern in 1972, Pitt has since been a closely contested swing county, with no major party candidate post-McGovern falling under 40%.

Kk.urban (talk) 22:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

It could do with more simplification! But there are some links in there which should help. Rathfelder (talk) 22:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I still think we should put the complex tag back. This has several long words and sentences, and it wasn't simplified at all from English Wikipedia. Kk.urban (talk) 22:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Fine by me. I think simplification is a continuous process. Rathfelder (talk) 22:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for being a medical contributors!

The 2023 Cure Award

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Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 22:24, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I dont suppose you could help me to get unbanned? Rathfelder (talk) 22:34, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate article

Please note that Long COVID already existed when you created Long Covid. Kk.urban (talk) 00:35, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. didnt notice it. Rathfelder (talk) 08:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Minor Edits vs. Regular Edits

Hi. When you add anything other than punctuation or something an automated tool may do (like mosdates) almost all edits are not minor. Please make sure you do not check that box. This is one [[2]] of those that you made and marked it as minor. If you have any questions, please feel free to ping me. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 09:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Is there a definition of minor edits? Rathfelder (talk) 10:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes Help:Minor_change or you can also click the ? next to the minor change on the edit summary. As stated it is to fix a small spelling or grammatical error that no one would argue about. Anything else is not a minor edit. Some automated tools mark things as minor so as not to flood different logs that a normal user will not see but those of us who do vandalism fighting and such look at them and a minor edit usually will only show a change of a +1 or +2 or even -1 or -2 not a +2,734 (just an example). Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

" change to an article that changes its meaning is not a small change". My change didnt change the meaning of that article. It added references and simplified the wording. Rathfelder (talk) 10:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I would recommend you look at it again. It has a +1,360 and you made changes to the article. The meaning of what is being said is a small minor change includes reverting vandalism, etc. Changing the article even if just adding references is not considered a small change and looking at your change to the article you changed a lot more than just a reference https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Long_COVID&diff=9361806&oldid=8915964 Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The policy does not say that adding references is not considered a small change. Rathfelder (talk) 10:20, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

A great example is you removed the original “About” section and put in a whole new about section. It’s there in black and white with the link I just posted to the diff. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

FYI, even simplifying the wording is not a minor change. “Any change to the information, pictures, or other things in the article is not small, and should not be marked as small.” Formatting is considered small but that has to do with the layout, not linking and adding references. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

That seems to be your opinion. Rathfelder (talk) 10:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

If you would like I can get an admin involved who will tell you the exact same thing. The policy is very simple. If you click on the links on the help it tells you exactly what format means, tell you exactly what a small change is. It is very simple. If it is not a vandalism rollback, fixing a wiki link error, fixing a spelling error or grammar error then it is not a small change. It says so right there on the page. Even a comment posted on a page is not considered a small change (also on the page). So we can end the discussion now with the understanding that you understand what a minor edit is. I am not going to continue the conversation as I’m going to assume you understand this. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to make helpful changes to the encyclopedia. You may not know that Wikipedia has a Manual of Style that should be followed to keep the encyclopedia looking neat and professional. Using different styles in the encyclopedia, as you did to "Healthcare in Iran", can make it harder to read. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about changing this encyclopedia. Thank you. I have already spoken to you about the minor vs normal edits and you are still marking your edits as minor. You do not need to check the box, it’s that simple. It’s a manual process unless you use certain tools. This is your first formal warning. I’m cautioning you now to stop. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 11:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

So why are you the first to complain when I have marked many thousands of similar edits as minor? And what difference will it make to anything?

I agree that Long COVID should not have been marked as minor. Rathfelder (talk) 12:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Again this is not up for debate. You have challenged every single person (admins and stewards) when they correct you and you continue to ignore what they’ve said to you and you continue to ignore what I’ve said to you. It’s not whether you agree with the policies, our norms, the way we do things here. That is exactly that. It is the way we do things. I’ve pointed out your errors in the above messages and you continued doing the same thing. Despite me linking the policies, the MOS and our guidelines, which we strongly follow here (unlike en wiki). I’m strongly advising you to not continue down the path of not following what we do on simple. Every wiki is different (as was explained to you a few times in numerous conversations on this page). Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 12:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Organ trade

I reverted your link (as good faith) on this article back to the country of Iran. The word before it says country therefore it needs to be linked to country. Linking it to the article about healthcare changes the context of what would be expected when clicking the link. Please make sure when you create these links they match what the sentence is saying and not a random article. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 12:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The healthcare article has details about the organ trade. Rathfelder (talk) 13:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

That is not the point. The sentence clearly indicates it is speaking of the country, not the healthcare of Iran. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 13:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The article is about healthcare. That is the point of the link. Rathfelder (talk) 14:30, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

The article is about Organ Trade. It is right there in the title. If it was about healthcare, the title would be something like Healthcare in Iran. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 14:54, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

The organ trade is part of healthcare. Rathfelder (talk) 15:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, the article is about organ trade. Most of this is done as an illegal activity, by criminal gangs and networks. People get killed got their organs. The legal organ trade (usually by state actors) is only a small part. So, which of the two link destinations makes more sense? Eptalon (talk) 15:51, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

The organ trade is an aspect of healthcare. I think a link to healthcare is more useful, especially as the Iranian article has references giving more detail. Rathfelder (talk) 17:12, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Categories self nominating

Hi. I believe some maintenance categories (like a cleanup for a certain month and year) self-nominate themselves for QD under C1. I removed your QD tag from the category as there is already one there.

Also, you can use twinkle to select the QD and it will format correctly. If you manually put the tag on, then the proper date looks like this “date=February 2024”. You do not put times and time zones in it as it will not render correctly. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:46, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I do use twinkle. Sometimes it malfunctions. I dont think that self nomination of the complex categories works. Rathfelder (talk) 21:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

This particular one has a QD on it from a template. I’m not sure which one. If there is a QD tag on it already, then there is no need for a second one. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:54, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

If the QD tag doesnt work it does need a second one. Rathfelder (talk) 22:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

It works and it’s there. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

It hasnt worked until its deleted. Rathfelder (talk) 22:12, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Rathfelder: It doesn't need a second one, but it might need a null edit for the existing one to show up in the QD category. Try that if you see another one and let us know if it works. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6@Rathfelder - I just looked at Category:Quick deletion requests and it is there. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 01:44, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb: That could be because the page was edited. -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I’ll see if I find any others as I go through the cats. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb: Sometimes they show up in Special:UnusedCategories. I think they show up eventually. It might not be worth searching for them. There are lots of more helpful things to spend time on. Empty categories don't hurt anything. -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 I wasn’t making it a to-do. I should have clarified I’ll keep an eye (or two) out. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 03:20, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

It certainly works much faster if I put a QD on it. I cant see that 2 nominations are a problem. Rathfelder (talk) 08:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

The idea is if it is broken we need to fix it. I have seen other cats with no articles get deleted without another QD on it. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm all in favour of fixing things that are broken! Rathfelder (talk) 10:52, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

It's not broken. It's a question of the cache or something. And it isn't putting another QD on it isn't what fixed it: it's editing the page, no matter what you do to it. Even a null edit (saving without making any actual changes) takes care of it. -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 thank you. That’s why I stated if it is broken. But it still stands we don’t put another QD on it. Just the null edit works then it works :)! Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

It doesnt seem to be working with Category:Pages needing to be simplified from April 2022 Rathfelder (talk) 08:13, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

@Rathfelder I still see pages in the category. Are you sure you linked the correct one? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb sorry I didnt mean that one. Look up a level. Rathfelder (talk) 08:34, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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I see it now. I did null edits and they show now. That’s interested. I’ll bring it up on media bugs to let them know. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:40, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Something I did notice is when I went and expanded the all articles there were 5 showing with zero entries. After the first null when I saved it I went back and it only showed one cat with a 0 in it. Definitely a software issue I think. So like I said I’ll file a bug and see what they say. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hey as a reminder please put in an edit summary of what it is you did. On the article Statistical process control you made changes but left no edit summary. Using the edit summary helps other editors see what was done without having to go to the history. You can read more about why it is important at Wikipedia:Change summary. Thanks for helping edit Wikipedia. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 11:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Tags

Hey. On the article Residual-current device I removed your tag for the world wide view. It is not a world wide article as it’s only about the RCD in the US. That is also a tag very rarely used. When it is, it’s a topic across the world (I.e. climate change, sexuality, angels, school years, etc.). When it is country specific it does not get that tag. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we should rename the article. Residual-current devices are not confined to the USA. Rathfelder (talk) 18:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

The article is written about the US version. I do not believe any other country (or very few) use the same wattage and amps we use. That’s why we have adapters to buy when we travel to other countries. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Other countries have RCDs. There is one in my bathroom in Manchester. The different currents dont affect it. Rathfelder (talk) 20:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Why did you revert my efforts at simplification? Rathfelder (talk) 18:52, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

While you did make an effort, you used words that are not simple and words that do not mix well and will confuse some readers (like: On the other hand). Not all countries and people learning English know what that means. Secondly, you commented out a very, very large chunk of the article stating (not simple). 3rd I asked you to use the edit summaries so we can easily see what you were doing without having to go through the article. Lastly some things you added were actually more complicated, I believe like two of them from a quick glance.

I’m going to be brutally honest, looking at the fact you fight everything suggested to you (from admins, stewards and editors) you are heading to a place in which you can be blocked for. It is called disruptive changing. I cannot ask you anymore to please follow how we do things and to not do things, as you want to do them your way against everything said to you and you are very argumentative about it. Example I asked you to not place a 2nd QD tag on article, and an Admin told you it’s not needed, but what was your response, it was ok I’ll post a 2nd one on them. It was stated to just do a null edit. Please do not continue this pattern and listen to what we have to say to you and then implement it. It’s being said to you so you understand what we as a community expect from editors on simple as our policies are way different than the regular English Wikipedia. I’m doing my best to be helpful about everything and trying to guide you in the right direction, as are other editors. This is to help you flourish here and become familiar with our wiki. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I removed the words On the other hand. You restored them. I did not comment anything out. That was a previous editor. Largely I inserted wikilinks. That is part of the process of simplification. Please compare the two versions more carefully. Please stop threatening me. I am happy to listen to you or anyone but I expect my questions to be answered. Most editors are happy to do that, but you appear to want me to obey you without question. Rathfelder (talk) 20:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I restored back to the version you had removed the tag. In no way was I threatening you. I’m pointing out an observation. As far as you expecting your questions to be answered, they are being answered, you just don’t seem to like the response you get (no matter who it’s from) and you continue doing it. I in no way want you to “obey me”. I am flat out pointing you directly to our policies and everything else, but even when an admin has told you to not do something, you do it anyway. There are no threats, no implications, no nothing. Just pointing out your editorial errors and to the policies and guidelines we follow. Of which then turn into an argument with you (again regardless of who is telling you). This is not the way we operate on this wiki or even on en wiki (I do not know about other language articles as I don’t go to them). I’ve constantly said please. So I don’t know where you plan on going by saying I’m threatening you or telling you to “obey me” but anyone who reads this will tell you there are no threats in this or any other conversation. As I stated before, we, as a community (very small) are trying to help you. So take it or leave it, however, leaving it (especially if it’s from an admin or higher) may have repercussions. You are provided the tools and the policies on how to do it. Also, I know very well what simplification is so for to imply I do not know as you stated “Largely I inserted wikilinks. That is part of the process of simplification.” Simplification includes a lot more than just wikilinks. But I trust you already know that. I am going to end this here because I have other things to do besides getting in these debates that never seem to end. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

You have several times said you would call in an admin. You accused me of commenting out a section of the article, and putting in the words "On the other hand" which I did not do". You have invented a definition of a world wide view which is not inline with the policy. Rathfelder (talk) 21:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

1. Only once I said I didn’t have to call in an admin.

2. I apologized and reinstated you previous changes.

3. First off, what policy? Secondly, the examples I used are directly from the category itself. If you look at it, you will see what is in there. There is no invention, but everything that is in that category is very, very general in nature. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

So we are agreed that my changes to Residual-current device can be restored? I am happy to do some more work simplifying it.

I am not making an issue about the globalisation tag, but the policy, such as it is, is at [Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias]. It seems to me that assuming that RCDs only exist in the USA is exactly such bias. Rathfelder (talk) 21:23, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I already restored that. I stated so previously. So I looked at the wiki project you stated. It is not a policy (nor is anything in there stating such). Again, if you look at the pages they are working on (or were as it shows semi-active) they are all relatively generic. The ones that are not have a global impact (I.e. wars, conflicts, etc.) Nothing on that project or on the categories are focused on an object but a point in time (best way I can phrase it). I hope that makes it clear. For globalization views, it would have to be something that impacts the majority of the world. The way a current or plug works is not one of them because some areas of countries don’t have electricity. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:56, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Archiving

Hey would you be interested in having your talk page archived? It will only archive based on what you determine. You can copy from the top of my talk page or I can assist you in setting yours up. It will help make your page shorter and it is searchable as well. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:57, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

No thank you Rathfelder (talk) 20:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

RfDs

Hiyas Rath! When you make comments and such can you put your opinion in front please? The format should be * {{vk}} for keep, {{vd}} for delete and {{comment}} when making comments, followed by a space then rationale if you want and your signature. Don’t use the reply discussion because as you’ll see it indents your statements instead of left aligns them and makes it harder for a sysop to close it instead of scanning quickly down the side. Just easier and I believe there is a link in the instructions to show other vote options. If not, let me know and I’ll find it for you. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 11:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

I also noticed on some you say keep because it has sources. That’s not a valid reason within an RfD. We look at the sources and see if anything fits the criteria to be included in Wikipedia and to ensure it’s not just advertising or cross-wiki spam. If a lot of IPs suddenly show up in support it’s almost always cross-wiki spam. Just an fyi for you. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 13:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Please keep your condescending comments to yourself. Rathfelder (talk) 17:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

These are not condescending in any way. You are not giving a rational basis for what you say. Just because an article has sources doesn’t make it notable. I went through every one of the sources and none show notability and a before shows nothing but fan sites and user created content. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

When I want your advice I will ask for it. Please leave me alone. Rathfelder (talk) 17:41, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2024

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to make helpful changes to the encyclopedia. However, please do not attack other editors. If you disagree with changes, please talk about the changes and not the editors who made them. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about changing Wikipedia. Thank you. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

I have not attacked anyone. It is you who keeps leaving insulting messages on my user page. Please stop. Rathfelder (talk) 17:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Your last comment was an attack and I’m not leaving anything insulting on your page. I’m heavily monitored by admins and if I did I would have heard about it by now. So it’s you who needs to stop the personal attacks. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

If you behave like this I am not surprised that you are heavily monitored by admins. You clearly do not understand how your comments are received. Please do not put any more messages on my user page. If you have anything to say about my contributions please put them on the relevant page. Rathfelder (talk) 18:04, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with me getting off a block and part of the policy for 3 months. So stop throwing accusations around. That is now #2 so stop immediately with the personal attacks. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Please do not leave any more comments on my user page. Rathfelder (talk) 18:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Government of Poland

Hello Rathfelder, I've redirected the page you recently created, Government of Poland, as we already have an article on that subject titled Politics of Poland on Simple Wikipedia. Best, – Cyber.Eyes2005^Talk 15:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Please undo that. The politics of Poland is not the same as the government of Poland. Rathfelder (talk) 16:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

But... the pages are exactly the same and you created both of them. Kk.urban (talk) 16:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid I followed the bad example of the English Wikipedia. Rathfelder (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Then one SHOULD be redirected to the other. Unless you change a page to be about something else. Kk.urban (talk) 16:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

You've reverted my edit, but we can't have two exact same articles on Simple Wiki. One of them needs to be redirected or changed if you believe they represent separate topics. – Cyber.Eyes2005^Talk 16:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I quite agree. I'm going to try a different article about politics. Rathfelder (talk) 16:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Quick deletion of Narvik Station

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I've simplified it a bit more. Is it OK now? Rathfelder (talk) 17:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I removed the deletion request, but there's still a very long complex sentence in the second paragraph. Kk.urban (talk) 17:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I will have a go. Rathfelder (talk) 18:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

All of these new railway articles have just too much copy-paste from EnWP. Just removing a few sentences or cutting a few words is not enough. Sentences should be in subject-verb-object order. They should be simple sentences. That means they should be a single clause. @Rathfelder, you need to slow down, go back, and simplify. There is no need for a complex copy here if readers can get the same information at EnWP. --Gotanda (talk) 22:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I am trying to expand our coverage of European countries, which for many of them is very limited. I am very happy to be told I havent simplified enough. Rathfelder (talk) 22:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Lancaster, Pennsylvania

Lancaster, Pennsylvania was still complex, so I restored the complex tag (along with making other updates). Kk.urban (talk) 06:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Dont feel you have to tell me if articles I simplified need more simplifying. Rathfelder (talk) 09:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Category:Monaco at the Olympics

An editor has requested deletion of Category:Monaco at the Olympics, a page you created. We appreciate your changes, but the nominator doesn't believe that the page meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

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Quick deletion of Oil down

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I think you should be aware by now that copies or close copies are not acceptable here. See https://www.diffchecker.com/Nxl2MwCc/ As soon as I saw the word "hence" in the article, I knew this was not simple and most likely a copy. We do not need copies here. They are a problem. One, they contribute to the argument that comes up once in a while that SEWP should not be allowed to continue. Two, they discourage users. English language learners are told that the language here is simple. They expect it to be easier to read. When it is is difficult, that can be discouraging and demotivating. Please stop making copies. --Gotanda (talk) 23:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Third, copies are a huge waste of time for other editors who have to check them and then either simplify them for you or mark for deletion. It takes only a moment to copy, paste, and change one or two words (if that). Simplifying to follow the the required sentence structure and vocabulary takes time and effort. Deletion takes up editor and admin time. A dozen copies is not helpful. --Gotanda (talk) 00:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I will try to be more thorough. Just tell me. You dont need to waste time checking or use QD. Rathfelder (talk) 08:30, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Checking pages or QD is not a waste of time. It is needed maintenance. MathXplore (talk) 08:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@MathXploreMathXplore is correct that checking new pages and the QD process are needed maintenance. However, in this case it should not be needed. You have been editing here for over a year, @Rathfelder. You know what the guidelines are and what the purpose of this wiki is, even if you may have additional aims. It is great that you want to extend coverage here of certain topics as you did recently with rail articles in eastern Europe or tried to do with these food articles. But, just copying from EnWP damages this wiki, and you should know that by now. That creates a waste of time and effort. You wrote, "Just tell me," but I did that with the rail articles. I thought that was enough of a reminder. Apparently not. And, that is beside the point. Reading your new articles or significant edits to check if they are copies and then telling you to change them is a waste of time. By now you should be able to edit here autonomously and follow the manual of style. --Gotanda (talk) 23:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

If you are serious about just being told, go back to Tchaka https://www.diffchecker.com/qxXUZYhm/ and simplify without just deleting information. And, Lavash, too https://www.diffchecker.com/4iDy9unK/. This is the last time I will "Just tell" you. In the future all copies will just go to QD. Slow down. There is no rush. Just one good new article is an improvement. --Gotanda (talk) 23:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Quick deletion of Pelau

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Quick deletion of Khachapuri

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Quick deletion of Pkhali

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Quick deletion of Encebollado

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Quick deletion of Fit-fit

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I am quite happy to do more simplification if you think it necessary. Rathfelder (talk) 23:53, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Quick deletion of Berbere

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Quick deletion of Lingonberry jam

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Composition? Please at least try to simplify the copies. See https://www.diffchecker.com/bBxaJuLv/ --Gotanda (talk) 23:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Quick deletion of Frikadelle

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Quick deletion of Smørrebrød

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Quick deletion of Fricasé

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Quick deletion of Chakery

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Granules? Desiccated? Do you think these are simple vocabulary? --Gotanda (talk) 00:01, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Quick deletion of Piti (food)

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Quick deletion of Condensed milk

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Condensed milk

I have restored the article and moved it into your user space User:Rathfelder/Condensed milk. From here you can continue to edit it and make it a suitable article. I will have a look at it and offer some advice later this week. Peterdownunder (talk) 20:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much Rathfelder (talk) 20:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Encebollado

The restored page is at User:Rathfelder/Encebollado. Peterdownunder (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Lingonberry jam

The restored page is at User:Rathfelder/Lingonberry jam. Lets work on these pages, and aim for quality and not quantity. Peterdownunder (talk) 20:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Very happy to work together. Rathfelder (talk) 21:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

That category on Peterdownunder's talk page

Hi, Rath. When you see categories on talk pages like that, instead of just removing them, please check first to see if someone just coded them incorrectly. You can see what I mean in this correction I made to your change (note the colon). Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 00:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I realised it was me who accidently added the category. Rathfelder (talk) 10:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Merge

Hi, can you merge Bramble with Rubus? Kk.urban (talk) 22:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I think it should be the other wat round. Bramble is much commoner term. Rathfelder (talk) 22:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Whichever it is, can you merge them? Kk.urban (talk) 22:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

will do Rathfelder (talk) 22:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Sofıa University

The "i" in "Sofıa" is missing its dot. Was this intentional, or should it be a normal "i"? Kk.urban (talk) 22:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Pinched from [3] - which seems to have a dot! Rathfelder (talk) 22:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I didnt even know you could lose the dot Rathfelder (talk) 22:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

List of countries in the 1990s

Hiya. I saw you were one of the last named editors to do something to this article. I noticed an issue with formatting under A for Afghanistan. I do not know how to fix and was hoping you may know what to do. It appears like someone is using svg images and not using flagu perimeters, but this is out of my wheelhouse. Would you mind taking a look and seeing if you can fix it? I would appreciate it. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:37, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Very sorry I know nothing about this sort of thing. Rathfelder (talk) 20:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok. No worries. I will post it on simple talk. Thanks! Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:19, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The List of NC-17 rated movies changed to just NC-17 rated movies

Under which reason was this changed to just NC-17 rated movies from the previous title? Was there no list and were there other reasons as to why? Angela Kate Maureen Pears 19:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

There wasnt really a list. Rathfelder (talk) 19:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Please

Please pay attention to recent changes on medication articles such as [4]. Please also note this: User talk:W;ChangingUsername#A couple more notes.

I know you're not involved in this, but you have edited a lot about medical topics, so I wanted you to see this. 166.107.163.111 (talk) 21:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I dont generally edit medical stuff. I do healthcare. Rathfelder (talk) 22:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Alright, well this discussion was about what information should be included on pages about medications. For example, how people take them, and who should or should not take them. I'm not asking you to tell me your opinions about this, but that this may be a disagreement on the philosophy of this Wikipedia, and if any conflicts arise in the future, you may wish to state your opinions there at that time. 166.107.163.111 (talk) 22:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Mountain View Unit

Hi there. Just so you know, a page was moved and this became a redirect. A vandal then blanked it. Please make sure to check the history before requesting deletion so vandalised pages don't end up getting deleted. Thanks! --Ferien (talk) 20:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Category:1800s British poems

An editor has requested deletion of Category:1800s British poems, a page you created. We appreciate your changes, but the nominator doesn't believe that the page meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Please comment on the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2024/Category:1800s British poems and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also change the page during the discussion to address the nominator's concerns. But you should not remove the requests for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you very much. --Ferien (talk) 12:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Vandal alert 45.50.164.192

Hello.

Can you check and stop the POV vandalism of the IP 45.50.164.192? This user has a habit of deleting Israel and is in a habit of pro-Hamas and pro-Yahya Sinwar POV-pushing in articles.

Thanks. 31.200.21.137 (talk) 10:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Just a note that Rathfelder is not an admin and can't stop the ip, you can report the Ip to WP:VIP if you want. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 10:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Can you check this user and stop him/her, if he/she engages in vandalism? 31.200.21.137 (talk) 10:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I am not an admin either. Like I said, you can report the Ip to WP:VIP if you want. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 10:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I will do so. 31.200.21.137 (talk) 10:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Categories on pages being deleted

Hi there, Once you have nominated an article for quick deletion or requests for deletion, it is best to just leave it alone, especially with categories as it could result in the problematic article getting more attention among other readers. --Ferien (talk) 18:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Dont we want it to get attention? Rathfelder (talk) 18:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

If a page is in poor enough quality to be quickly deleted then no, we don't want it getting attention. --Ferien (talk) 18:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Merging articles

Should Railfan and Trainspotters be merged? Batrachoseps (talk) 16:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Fine by me. In UK Trainspotters is the commoner term. Rathfelder (talk) 20:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Tea

Cup of tea, Scotland

Asteralee has given you a cup of tea! Spread WikiLove by giving someone else some tea, whether it is someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Asteralee's note: Thank you for your help on Category:Category needed! Categorists need to stay categorists :)

Give someone a cup of tea by adding {{subst:Wikitea}} to someone's talk page along a nice message!

⯎ Asteralee ⯎ 16:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Rathfelder (talk) 16:45, 29 November 2024 (UTC)