Wikidata:Property proposal/reference vocabulary

reference vocabulary

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Done: reference vocabulary (P5967) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the controlled vocabulary used to supply the form in which the value of a statement was given in the source being referenced.
Data type	Item
Example 1	Systema vegetabilium, 14th edition (Q6136933)author (P50)Carl Linnaeus (Q1043) ref: BHL bibliography ID (P4327) 549 / stated in reference as: "Linné, Carl von, 1707-1778" / reference vocabulary: Library of Congress Name Authority File (Q18912790)
Example 2	CARTE DU PARAGUAY DU CHILI DU DETROIT DE MAGELLAN &c (Guillaume de L'Isle, 1703-1708) (Q56759863)depicts (P180)Strait of Magellan (Q48365) ref: British Library system number (P5199) 018640954 / stated in reference as: "Magellan, Strait of (Chile and Argentina)" / reference vocabulary: Library of Congress Subject Headings (Q1823134)
Example 3	[relevant view from BL 004920568 ] genre (P136) worm's-eye view (Q16966122) ref British Library system number (P5199) 004920568 / stated in reference as: "Worm's-eye views" / reference vocabulary: Library of Congress Genre/Form Terms (Q47537953)
Source	see discussion
See also	"stated in reference as"

Motivation

A proposed companion property to "stated in reference as"

Where standardisation has been done of a name or a term given in a reference, it is useful to identify the controlled vocabulary from which the name or the term has been taken. In MARC records from libraries, this information is sometimes given in subfield $2 for many fields. In other cases there may be known external authorities that the source is preferentially aligned against. Jheald (talk) 21:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Proposed. Jheald (talk) 21:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support David (talk) 08:07, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 04:12, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose add statements to description of resource instead --- Jura 17:37, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jura1: I am not sure that I understand your objection. Yes of course one can and should have Carl Linnaeus (Q1043) Library of Congress authority ID (P244) "n79109333", subject named as (P1810) "Linné, Carl von, 1707-1778". But this property is trying to do something slightly different.

This property relates to how a name has been given in a reference. Wikidata:Property proposal/stated in reference as has been proposed to state how the name was given. But if we know the controlled vocabulary that the form has been standardised against, it is useful to record that too.

For example, as an extreme case, some different vocabularies might give the same words different shades of meaning, leading us to match the same words to different items when they are being used in different vocabularies. (This can also happen eg with dynasties of painters, where the painter identified as 'II' in one vocabulary may be 'III' in another). Identifying the vocabulary as well as the stated form, when recording how the information was presented in a particular source, can therefore be quite relevant; as well as considerably assisting any later process of checking identifications of the objects of statements. Jheald (talk) 21:01, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think one can add Library of Congress Name Authority File (Q18912790) to the entity for the property Property:P4327 rather than as qualifier to each statement using it. I'm also somewhat skeptical about the other proposals, but I suppose we can live with a bunch of subproperties of essentially the same. --- Jura 16:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jheald: I would have used stated in (P248) for these examples - why is it not sufficient? − Pintoch (talk) 11:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Pintoch: We would already be using stated in (P248) with values Biodiversity Heritage Library (Q172266), British Library online catalogue (Q53556514) respectively, as a qualifier, giving the catalogues that were the direct source of the data. I think it could be confusing to also use stated in (P248) in a reference, but with a different value, to give the controlled vocabularies that the terminology of those catalogue entries had in turn been conformed to. Jheald (talk) 12:11, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Jodi.a.schneider, Pintoch, Jheald, Jura1: Done: reference vocabulary (P5967). − Pintoch (talk) 17:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]