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surface played on
the surface on which a sporting event is played

Represents	pitch (Q2310214)
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"surface" in en:template:Infobox GrandSlamTournaments
Domain	sports competition (Q13406554) or sports venue (Q1076486)
Allowed values	lawn (Q207766), hardcourt (Q1330871), clay court (Q198718), grass court (Q1151291), carpet court (Q29167278), clay (Q47676928), carpet (Q47677214), grass (Q47678177), acrylic (Q47769149), artificial clay (Q47769157), Artificial Grass (Q47769166), asphalt (Q47769177), concrete (Q47769193), indoor (Q47769202), indoor carpet (Q47769216), indoor clay (Q47769225), indoor hard (Q47769232), outdoor clay (Q47769249), outdoor grass (Q47769255), outdoor hard (Q47769271), tiles (Q47769283), Desso GrassMaster (Q2306698), parquetry (Q838828), hardcourt surface (Q47777555), artificial turf (Q311935), hybrid grass (Q24075283), tartan (Q109921054), sand (Q34679), no label (Q118733564), concrete (Q22657), no label (Q118744163), no label (Q118744156) or asphalt concrete (Q189259)
Example	Wimbledon Championships (Q41520) → grass court (Q1151291) Stade Roland Garros (Q1613027) → hardcourt (Q1330871) Palazzo dello Sport (Q119882) → parquetry (Q838828)
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P765 (Q23909057)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P765 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 6,337 Main statement 6,326 99.8% of uses Qualifier 11 0.2% of uses
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Type “sports competition (Q13406554), sports venue (Q1076486)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “sports competition (Q13406554), sports venue (Q1076486)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P765#Type Q13406554, Q1076486, SPARQL

One of lawn (Q207766), hardcourt (Q1330871), clay court (Q198718), grass court (Q1151291), carpet court (Q29167278), clay (Q47676928), carpet (Q47677214), grass (Q47678177), acrylic (Q47769149), artificial clay (Q47769157), Artificial Grass (Q47769166), asphalt (Q47769177), concrete (Q47769193), indoor (Q47769202), indoor carpet (Q47769216), indoor clay (Q47769225), indoor hard (Q47769232), outdoor clay (Q47769249), outdoor grass (Q47769255), outdoor hard (Q47769271), tiles (Q47769283), Desso GrassMaster (Q2306698), parquetry (Q838828), hardcourt surface (Q47777555), artificial turf (Q311935), hybrid grass (Q24075283), tartan (Q109921054), sand (Q34679), no label (Q118733564), concrete (Q22657), no label (Q118744163), no label (Q118744156), asphalt concrete (Q189259): value must be one of the specified items. Please expand list if needed. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P765#One of, values statistics, SPARQL

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P765#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL

This property is being used by: ru:Шаблон:Турнир WTA hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Մարզադաշտ it:Template:Impianto sportivo pt:Predefinição:Info/Autódromo/Wikidata el:Πρότυπο:Κουτί πληροφοριών σταδίου hyw:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Մարզադաշտ be-x-old:Шаблён:Стадыён uk:Шаблон:Тенісний турнір be-tarask:Шаблён:Стадыён gl:Modelo:Estadio Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Discussion

Scope: events only ?

en:Template:Infobox stadium has a field "surface". This could be added with this property as well. Currently domain for this property is limited to events though. Shall we extend it? BTW That infobox is currently used 8277 times. --  Docu  at 09:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I certainly agree to extend the scope to venues like stadiums, etc. The same proposal has also been made during the discussion of creation.--Kompakt (talk) 19:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

There are many more possible applications even completely outside the sports domain: e.g. thoroughfare (Q83620) (including subclasses), runway (Q184590), etc. --MB-one (talk) 19:46, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

"Type compétition (Q841654)" violations

Hi @Docu, Wolbo, Vinkje83: (top-3 users of this property)

Right now, there is 1493 "Type compétition (Q841654)" violations for 1503 uses of this property. That's 99,3% of violations, something is wrong and should be corrected.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 07:50, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand the issue. First of all: I never heard of competition (Q841654) before, and I never use it. Secondly: your reference to https://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/NavelGazer.php does not work (not for me, anyway). Please give better information. Vinkje83 (talk) 11:13, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

What is the difference between competition (Q841654) and competition (Q23807345)? In my language they have the same name. In English too. Vinkje83 (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vinkje83: the issue is that there is a constraint which is almost always violated. There is various solutions: remove the constraint, change it or change the items. I don't know the subject, I'm just raising the question, it's up to you to find a way to solve this (or not).

(PS: NavelGazer is just a tool for knowing who use a property, it works fine for me and has nothing to do with the problem here).

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:16, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

You are saying that I am one of three users that violate some constraint or other. What is it that I did wrong? I am not aware of violating any constraint. Please tell me, in words that a non-technical user like me can understand, what I should have done differently? Vinkje83 (talk) 21:42, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vinkje83: no, I'm just saying you're in the top 3 of user of this property. More precisely, you used this property 133 times, making you the third users to use it most (after Docu and Wolbo). That is why I pinged you. Constraints violation is another problem.

So on Wikidata, for each and every property, we define rules (called constraints), basically something saying « this property should be used this way ». On surface played on (P765) there is a rule « P765 should be used on item that have instance of (P31) = competition (Q841654) (or something that is under competition (Q841654)) » but currently almost none of the item respect that rule (this is what we call a « constraint violation »). I don't know what to do, maybe the constraint is wrong (and then we should change it), maybe the constraint is right (and then we should change the items), maybe something else in between (more probably the first but not sure).

After a bit more of investigation, Matěj Suchánek changed the value of the constraint from sports competition (Q13406554) to competition (Q841654) in January: Special:Diff/624507571. I see too that @Jarashi, Infovarius, MisterSynergy: did some change on the subclass of (P279) of sports competition (Q13406554). The problem probably comes from here.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 17:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for ping. There is unfortunately continuous hassle with the definition of sports competition (Q13406554), which in January was even merged to another item. Matěj Suchánek’s bot moved the values ~a week later (similarly as it does for all other mergers), but then the merge was (correctly) undone, and parts of the old values were restored. This created strain on several sports-related constraint reports.
Another problem is that the subclass relation of sports competition (Q13406554) is changing from time to time, since apparently naive users think they could “improve” something here. I am pretty frustrated meanwhile regarding this situation, but just yesterday I planned to open a topic at WD:PC to discuss the items competition (Q476300), competition (Q841654), competition (Q23807345), and sporting event (Q16510064), which seem to have a lot of overlapping character with cluttered sitelinks. Due to the fact that I am on holiday soon without much activity I decided to postpone this discussion to a later time.
On the matter: it would probably suffice to undo Matěj Suchánek’s edit from Jan 29 to fix the problem. —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:08, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Now changed, and I also allowed subclass relations due to the range of actually correct uses. Now there are ~30 violations left, mostly stadiums. —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:16, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Sports venue constraint

@MisterSynergy, Jura1:

Many tennis tournament edition items, e.g. 2017 ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament (Q28606333), have the statement surface played on (P765). This however results in a constraint message "Entities using the surface played on property should be instances or subclasses of sports venue (Q1076486) (or a subclass of it)". Should this constraint not be updated to include instances of tennis tournament edition (Q47345468)? Surface for tournaments can and do change in time so different editions can have different surfaces but have the same sports or event venue.--Wolbo (talk) 13:45, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

• Sure. tennis tournament edition (Q47345468) is a fairly recent creation, from when we tried to tackle the many tennis items without statements. --- Jura 14:10, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • There were for some reason two type constraints which I transformed into one. tennis tournament edition (Q47345468) should now be an acceptable type as it is a subclass of sports competition (Q13406554), otherwise feel free to add it explicitly. —MisterSynergy (talk) 17:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC)