*Hello all,starting this week the Technical Advice IRC Meeting will take
place not only every Wednesday at 3 pm UTC, but also every first Wednesday
of the month at 11 pm UTC. This will allow people from other timezones to
attend.The Technical Advice IRC Meeting (TAIM) is a weekly support event
for volunteer developers. Every Wednesday, two full-time developers are
available to help you with all your questions about Mediawiki, gadgets,
tools and more! This can be anything from "how to get started" over "who
would be the best contact for X" to specific questions on your project.The
support meeting has been initiated by WMDE’s tech team about a year ago and
will be continued as a cooperation between WMF and WMDE staff members from
August 1st on.Technical Advice IRC meeting this week: **Wednesday, August
1st at 3-4 pm UTC and 11-12 pm UTC** on #wikimedia-tech.If you know already
what you would like to discuss or ask, please add your topic to the next
meeting: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting>Hope to see
you there!Michi (for the Technical Advice IRC Meeting crew)*
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Michael F. Schönitzer
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
http://wikimedia.de
Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
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Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
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Hello,
The 1.32.0-wmf.13 version of MediaWiki is rollout to almost all group0
and group1 wikis, but not group2. In plain wording: It is deployed to
all non-wikipedias (Commons, wiktionaries, etc) except Wikidata.
It was blocked from going to all wikis yesterday due to two issues found
during the week:
* Fatal MWException in Babel: "Language::isValidBuiltInCode must be
passed a string" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T199941
* Wikidata showing wrong language for page elements -
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T199983
Assuming these issues are resolved before Monday we hope to resume the
deployment of this version Monday during European working hours.
The tracking task for this deployment:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191059
A handy tool to see which wikis have which version:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/versions/
Greg
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| Release Team Manager A18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D |
This might a wrong venue to discuss this but these were the worst 3 days
of my participation in Wikimedia movement, and that feeling is probably
shared by my colleagues.
The consultation about the creation of new technical administrators
group that just ended yesterday was an utter and total disaster for
people with existing non-sysop groups for editing JS/CSS.
In Russian Wikipedia, for 300 Kb already [1], people are weaponising
every reading of the consultation document (which they, for some reason,
consider akin to global policy) against, uniting the same-minded groups
(local ‘engineer’ group was created under a ‘Technical administrator
group’ RfC) for an umbrella of reasons:
— Some tell that, apparently, after working for 2 years already and
doing more edits than all sysops combined in JS/CSS, engineers do not
have ‘at least as much trust as being an administrator’ since they
weren’t elected like administrators (we are electing sysops with a vote
and engineers are being elected with a discussion, so people argue that
engineers do not have trust because they weren’t subjected to a vote).
— Others claim that, because MediaWiki developer community decided to
unite those rights under one group, merging any groups with it is not
acceptable, and, moreover, the engineer group shouldn't be given those
rights at all.
— Moreover, some people claim that if a group would be too small, like
engineers right now (12 accounts with 85 sysops), they could, in opinion
of those people, usurp all editing of JS/CSS, decline to revert edits
that are deemed controversial by community, and this justifies giving
the permissions to all 85 existing sysops, even those that didn’t edit
JS/CSS at all.
I do not expect organisers of the consultation and MediaWiki developer
community to intervene into a discussion that's happening in a foreign
language, but I really think that it all comes down to focusing on
projects that didn’t have any technical administrators and not
explaining anything to projects that did. In the retrospective, I really
wish that I did more push on this point on Phabricator [2] since this
was a major point that I expected to backfire because of the vague
wording of the document and that did backfire.
What I would like to have from the global community, though, is a clear
documentation for people who are affected by this change, because right
now, because of misinformation, misreadings and over-interpretations, it
could go as far as losing all interface editing permissions for me and
others because the document in question didn’t go far enough on the
qualifications and left too much to community’s assumptions.
Oleg
[1]:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедия:Форум/Правила#Объединение_флагов_ин…
<https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0…>
[2]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190015#4257719
Reminder: Technical Advice IRC meeting again **Wednesday 3-4 pm UTC** on
#wikimedia-tech.
The Technical Advice IRC Meeting (TAIM) is a weekly support event for
volunteer developers. Every Wednesday, two full-time developers are
available to help you with all your questions about Mediawiki, gadgets,
tools and more! This can be anything from "how to get started" over "who
would be the best contact for X" to specific questions on your project.
In addition to the weekly meeting at 3 pm, we will have an additional
meeting every first Wednesday of the month at 11 pm UTC, starting August
1st, 2018!
If you know already what you would like to discuss or ask, please add your
topic to the next meeting:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
Hope to see you there!
Michi (for WMDE’s tech team)
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Michael F. Schönitzer
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
http://wikimedia.de
Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
Reminder: Technical Advice IRC meeting again **tomorrow, Wednesday 3-4 pm
UTC** on #wikimedia-tech.
This time with a Wikimedia Special[1] in English and German!
The Technical Advice IRC meeting is open for all volunteer developers,
topics and questions. This can be anything from "how to get started" over
"who would be the best contact for X" to specific questions on your project.
If you know already what you would like to discuss or ask, please add your
topic to the next meeting:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
Hope to see you there!
Michi (for WMDE’s tech team)
[1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T199093
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Michael F. Schönitzer
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
http://wikimedia.de
Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
Ah, yes, the United States. Under a federal (i.e., national) statute, the so-called Uniform Time Act of 1966<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Time_Act>, daylight saving time is uniform throughout the United States, except for the opt-out states of Hawaii and Arizona (except for Navaho territories within Arizona, which do observe daylight saving time), and except for several overseas territories of the United States. Even a computer should not be required to put up with this patchwork of nonsense.
I agree with the others who advocated use of UTC, which is uniform worldwide and which anyone can convert to local time.
Steven Finell
From: Wikitech-ambassadors [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 11:43 AM
To: Wikimedia developers
Cc: Marko Obrovac; Development and Operations engineers; Wikitech Ambassadors; Operations Engineers
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-ambassadors] [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Additional European-appropriate MediaWiki train window starting week of July 9th (also SWAT change)
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Kunal Mehta <legoktm(a)member.fsf.org<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
(un)relatedly:
* EU survey to remove summertime/DST:
<https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/2018-summertime-arrangements?surve
ylanguage=EN>
* California Proposition 7 (2018) to institute a permanent DST:
<https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_7,_Permanent_Daylight_Sa
ving_Time_Measure_(2018)>
Hopefully we can get rid of this problem at the root cause as well :)
You forgot about most of the rest of the US ;)
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Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
Senior Software Engineer
Wikimedia Foundation