sarken: pink leaves ([misc] all that summer)
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This one's been bugging me for a while, but I kept hoping I'd come up with a less godawful sentence with the same problem. However, such is not the case, so here I go.

I want my character's action to interrupt her speech. I think the thing to do is use em dashes, but I have no idea where to put them. So, for now, you get commas and a plea for help.
"Only if a crab with a Jamaican accent starts singing. Besides," Rachel looks at the way her breasts bob in the water, "I'm pretty sure I'm already a real girl."

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Date: 2010-09-29 06:26 am (UTC)
zeborah: Zebra against a barcode background, walking on the word READ (read)
From: [personal profile] zeborah
I use em-dashes; the way I do it is:

"Only if a crab with a Jamaican accent starts singing. Besides--" Rachel looks at the way her breasts bob in the water -- "I'm pretty sure I'm already a real girl."


I don't know if this is an Official Correct way of doing things but it seems logical to me: the first em-dash interrupts her speech so it's right next to "besides" without any spacing, but the second em-dash comes after the aside is completed so has spacing either side.

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Date: 2010-09-29 07:46 am (UTC)
melannen: Commander Valentine of Alpha Squad Seven, a red-haired female Nick Fury in space, smoking contemplatively (Default)
From: [personal profile] melannen
I would probably just stick with commas (but I have noted that I tend to be a lot more comma-tolerant than many grammarians.)

If I was using dashes, I would probably go with:

"Only if a crab with a Jamaican accent starts singing. Besides--" Rachel looks at the way her breasts bob in the water. "--I'm pretty sure I'm already a real girl."

Or, if that still looks too weird (and it kinda does, yes) I would make the action into a dialogue tag:

"Only if a crab with a Jamaican accent starts singing. Besides--" Rachel says, looking at the way her breasts bob in the water, "--I'm pretty sure I'm already a real girl."


I *think* the reason this consistently looks off is that you aren't really supposed to use two em-dashes to set off a 'parenthetical' (People do it all the time -- I abuse dashes as a hobby -- but if you're going for a grammatically correct voice, they aren't meant to be paired.)

So what you've got here is either one dash dividing up Rachel's line, which just happens to have a dialogue tag in the middle of it:

"Only if a crab with a Jamaican accent starts singing. Besides--I'm pretty sure I'm already a real girl."

Or two separate fragments of dialogue, one of which ends with a dash and one of which begins with a dash, which have another independent sentence between them:

"Only if a crab with a Jamaican accent starts singing. Besides--"
"--I'm pretty sure I'm already a real girl."

(I suspect the most stickly grammatically correct option is:

"Only if a crab with a Jamaican accent starts singing. Besides--" Rachel looks at the way her breasts bob in the water, "I'm pretty sure I'm already a real girl."

Your sentence is "Only if a crab with a Jamaican accent starts singing. Besides--I'm pretty sure I'm already a real girl." ; the dialogue tag is inserted after the dash, with your normal post-tag comma after it. But that way looks funny too.)
Edited Date: 2010-09-29 07:48 am (UTC)

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Date: 2010-09-29 07:56 am (UTC)
melannen: Commander Valentine of Alpha Squad Seven, a red-haired female Nick Fury in space, smoking contemplatively (Default)
From: [personal profile] melannen
Huh, okay, I found a web site that actually covers this case (it's cliffsnotes.com, about halfway down this page) and it says that you want:

"Only if a crab with a Jamaican accent starts singing. Besides" --Rachel looks at the way her breasts bob in the water-- "I'm pretty sure I'm already a real girl."

But that one looks even more wrong to me. <_<

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Date: 2010-09-29 07:55 am (UTC)
somnolentblue: statue of a woman from the waist up (Default)
From: [personal profile] somnolentblue
I was trying to figure out the same thing a bit ago, and google was less than helpful. However, I just discovered that my uni has access to the Chicago Manual of Style on-line, and I checked there. Chicago, 16th ed., says:
6.84 Em dashes to indicate sudden breaks

An em dash or a pair of em dashes may indicate a sudden break in thought or sentence structure or an interruption in dialogue. (Where a faltering rather than sudden break is intended, suspension points may be used; see 13.39.)

“Will he—can he—obtain the necessary signatures?” asked Mill.
“Well, I don’t know,” I began tentatively. “I thought I might—”
“Might what?” she demanded.

If the break belongs to the surrounding sentence rather than to the quoted material, the em dashes must appear outside the quotation marks.

“Someday he’s going to hit one of those long shots, and”—his voice turned huffy—“I won’t be there to see it.”

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Date: 2010-09-30 04:09 am (UTC)
somnolentblue: statue of a woman from the waist up (Default)
From: [personal profile] somnolentblue
It's amazing! I didn't even think to look when I was frantically trying to make google work for me, but I had to check out a citation reference recently and stumbled across it and might have squeaked in happiness just a little. *is a geek*

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Date: 2010-09-29 03:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] erika
Yay!

And you used — instead of --! ♥ ♥ ♥
Edited (hilarious typos are hilarious) Date: 2010-09-29 03:58 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2010-09-30 04:16 am (UTC)
somnolentblue: statue of a woman from the waist up (Default)
From: [personal profile] somnolentblue
\o/ I ♥ Chicago.

*grins* I have to admit that using the proper — was aided by that being a cut and paste into the blockquote. (Although I like to think that in this context I would have done it properly, whereas in Word documents both the en and the em get subsumed into the double hyphen autoformatting.)
Edited (html error, le sigh) Date: 2010-09-30 04:18 am (UTC)

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