User talk:DanielWhernchend

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Tables

What you saying, I am all in favour of people who expend their industry to improve templates and modules, and thus I am bugged to inform you that your new creation {{tk-decl-noun-auto}} has an inadequate design in an important respect, as it does not peruse a QHD screen but, leaving a lot of white space on Turkmen pages, needlessly requires that one scrolls to see the plural declension – scrolling should not be needed but all be expanded. Or do you know about this imperfection already? Fay Freak (talk) 02:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean, but Now, I fixed on manual counterpart of the template that you say, Template:tk-decl-noun-man. I've changed width of the template from 40em, to 30em, later to “auto”; which that 40em width was leaved by the author of the template, User:Madina. My change to 30em was intended to “remarkable, but not too long”, but subsequently changed to ”auto”. BengkelBerkah05 (talk) 04:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the template. It's useful. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 17:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Karelian

Hi, I appreciate your work greatly, but I want to warn you of the fact that many (if not most) of the entries on wiktionary marked as being Karelian (krl) are possibly, in fact, Livvi (olo). Thus I'd watch out for these (e.g. I'm not sure abuniekka is Karelian proper). Differences between Karelian and Livvi declension are enormous by the way (see {{olo-decl}}). Happy editing! Thadh (talk) 16:36, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Great job with the Turkmen conjugation template

Really, good job. Tell me if you would be interested in construction of more conjugation/declination templates, Kumyk for instance would need them too. I can provide you with all the info you need. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 09:58, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I'm interested of such inflection templates. Edit: And now, when you provide these informations? BengkelBerkah05 (talk) 10:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

For instance, I was thinking of expanding the Kumyk declination template so that it also takes possessive forms. I think everything needed can be found here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Allahverdi_Verdizade/Kumyk Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 10:53, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the information :) BengkelBerkah05 (talk) 10:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Sama sama adik :-) Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 11:06, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hey, because the template using Lua module, it's somewhat a challenge to me (no need to reply this). BengkelBerkah05 (talk) 11:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Note: I found these possessive inflection errors on Module:kum-decl:

1. -нг- (-ñ-) (2nd person singular) became unrelated -нгъ- (-nğ-) when back vowels succeeding it.
2. I created singular possessive forms based in consonant ending nouns, however the preceding vowels (of 1st and 2nd person singular/plural possessive), and the preceding -с- (-s-) (3rd person possessive) are removed and added respectively, when the noun was vowel ending.

I cannot fix these errors, because it was written in and I only know some of Lua. BengkelBerkah05 (talk) 13:11, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for trying anyway, I appreciate it very much. Now that the template has become extended (even though it does contain some errors), can you make it collapsible? It takes up a mile of screenspace otherwise. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 21:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

{{uz-verb-conj}}

Hello again and thank you for this one too. Great work, as always. If you'd like to complement it, I think the most important tense to add is "perfect", which is formed by -gan and corresponds to -miş in Oghuz languages. For example, men bu kitobni o'qiganman 'I've read this book', corresponding to ben bu kitabı okumuşum in Turkish. I don't know what sources you're using, but here and here is a great summary in a table. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 10:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Can you give more information about the Uzbek tenses from the same site? BengkelBerkah05 (talk) 14:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Certainly, but I think you already incorporated most of the information there into the template. Anything specific you'd like to know? Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 17:57, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

{{az-conj}}

Hello. It's time for me to pester you with a request again. This is what a portion of az-conj looks like right now.

present	simple	salıram	salırsan	salır	salırıq	salırsınız	salırlar
	perfect	salmışam	salmışsan	salmışdır	salmışıq	salmışsınız	salmışlar
past	simple	saldım	saldın	saldı	saldıq	saldınız	saldılar
	continuous	salırdım	salırdın	salırdı	salırdıq	salırdınız	salırdılar
	perfect	salmışdım	salmışdın	salmışdı	salmışdıq	salmışdınız	salmışdılar

I need to rename present perfect to present perfect 1 and add a present perfect 2. These two forms represent exactly the same grammatical category, i.e. they are morpho-synonymous. To a pretty high extent, they are in complementary distribution with one another: where perfect 2 is defective (in 1SG and 1PL), perfect 1 is used; where perfect 1 is phonologically homonymous with other tenses due to the loss of final -r in -dir, perfect 2 is used to avoid confusion.

This is what I need there to be:

present	simple	salıram	salırsan	salır	salırıq	salırsınız	salırlar
	perfect 1	salmışam	salmışsan	salmışdır	salmışıq	salmışsınız	salmışlar
	perfect 2	-	salıbsan	salıb(dır)	-	salıbsınız	salıb(dır)lar
past	simple	saldım	saldın	saldı	saldıq	saldınız	saldılar
	continuous	salırdım	salırdın	salırdı	salırdıq	salırdınız	salırdılar
	perfect	salmışdım	salmışdın	salmışdı	salmışdıq	salmışdınız	salmışdılar

Phonetic variants for all etc. Negative forms are, as you can figure out, salmayıb(dır), salmayıbsan etc. The tricky part is the 3PL, because there, (dir) splits the necessary part that needs to be output and clickable. Upon clicking "salıb(dır)lar" the ACCEL should create # {{inflection of|az|salmaq||3|pl|pres|2 perfect}} at salıblar.

Upon clicking "salıb(dır)" the ACCEL should create # {{inflection of|az|salmaq||converb|;|3|sg|pres|2 perfect}} at salıb, because the converb coincides with this new form in 3sg. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 01:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Can the accel-forms for present perfect 2 be like this?

{{inflection of|az|salmaq||converb|;|3|sg|pres|perf|<nowiki>2</nowiki>}}

(for example, as in salıb) BengkelBerkah05 (talk) 08:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes!! Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 10:51, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Don't forget to add <nowiki> tags please, otherwise ACCEL creates a mess :) Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 12:42, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Ingrian

Please run by me the next time you want to help me with an automatic template. Ingrian is very unstandardised and has a fairly difficult declension system differing per source (see {{R:izh:Chernyavskij:2005}}, {{R:izh:Konkova:2014}}, {{R:izh:Junus:1936}}). Creating an automatic templates is just not the way forward for this language (yet). You can far better invest your time in another language. Thadh (talk) 09:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@Thadh: You seems to use the Junus' instead. So, I will going to revert your addition of {{delete}} templates and I move some of my templates with names based on {{izh-decl/kärpäin}}. BengkelBerkah05 (Talks/Contribs) 00:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

You can help along if you want, we've just started making these templates (please do follow the source though, sometimes dialectal declension is given as well so be careful). In the end, the goal is to create inflection-tables for all dialects and separatly for Chernyavskij's standard (all of those non-expanded, so fully hidden). Don't forget to standardise Junus' orthography (e.g. <ş> to <š>). Thadh (talk) 08:43, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Module:fur-conj

What was the precise "error" you were seeing in entries? https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Module:fur-conj&oldid=prev&diff=61931035

Any templates using Template:fur-conj, which in turn uses Module:fur-conj showing an untranscluded {{center top}}. BengkelBerkah05 (talk) 10:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Ahh.. So the template wasn't transcluding or expanding? Hmm... So what is the CENTER doing, given that text-align:center and width:100% is already set? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Please be more careful.

Whenever you edit a module, the system has to propagate that change out to every entry that transcludes that module. It often seems instantaneous, but in the case of a module like Module:tr-nouns which is transcluded in over 4500 entries it can take days for the system to clear everything in its job queue for that edit. I had to undo your last edit to that module because it caused a module error in every single entry transcluding the module. CAT:E went from about 20 entries to about 4600 in less that 8 hours.

It's been about more than an hour and a half since I undid your edit, and there are still 2537 module errors in CAT:E. While it's true that the actual entries are displaying declension tables instead of error messages, there could be other module errors that won't get fixed because no one can find them in the category.

I realize that editing and debugging code like this can be extremely frustrating, but deleting a huge block of code without fixing the references to that code, and then failing to check CAT:E to make sure that everything was okay is very irresponsible. You basically nuked pretty much all of the declension tables for Turkish nouns and were still apparently unaware of almost 8 hours later. I don't like to lecture people when they know more than I do, but you definitely need to be more careful and more responsible. At the very least check CAT:E for a few hours after you edit a widely-transcluded module like this. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 21:59, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Also notice that I going to add the function export.compound to replace the wikitext structure of {{tr-noun-comp-v}}, but subsequently I undid the replacement with Module:tr-nouns (see Special:MobileDiff/62490908), as in hesap makinesi showing plural *hesap makinesileri instead of correct hesap makineleri. Because of this error, I want to add the construction similar to {{az-verb-stem}} (but 4 is replaced with 1 for the case of compounds ending in -i and 2 for -si); but for some difficulties, I later abandon the module function. BengkelBerkah05 (Talks/Contribs) 03:25, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

{{kum-decl-noun}}

Hi! Could you please add a parameter {{kum-dec-noun|stem=}} so that one could specify deviant stems (mostly vowel deletion), so that the declenation table correctly outputs бурнум etc. instead of бурунум for бурун (burun), much like burun. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 22:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

-ik

Can you provide a source for the etymology you added? Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 09:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Vowel Harmony

Words are always structured according to the four suffix forms. *urug is not configured as urïg. For ï and i there are always u and ü. There may be other configurations, but Lir shows us that these configurations are wrong. Oghur, oghuz (arrows, from *ok) always took the form -u, -ü. This error needs to be fixed. BurakD53 (talk) 11:20, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

invitation

Hi, I need your e-mail address so that I can contact you via private message. If you wish, I would like to invite you to a study group. BurakD53

@BurakD53: Before I giving my email to you, what is "study group" that you mean? DanishtD (talk) 14:08, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

@DanishtD: We are preparing Proto-Turkic text video for Ilovelanguages channel on Youtube. A video already exists but is not text and is inaccurate in many respects. (talk) 14:36, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

@BurakD53: Okay, I know that YouTube channel. So this is my email:

bengkelberkah05 at gmail.com (replace at with @)

I actually didn't want to be too revealing my email, but at least this way is more secure. DanishtD (talk) 00:59, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Adding predicative forms to {{az-latin-noun-decl}}

Hi! I have a small request for you, if you have some time to deal with it, now or maybe in the future. {{tr-infl-noun-c}} has predicative forms and it would be great if also {{az-latin-noun-decl}} would have that. That's how it looks. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 22:13, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

	SG	PL
1	-(y)am / -(y)əm	-(y)ıq/ -(y)uq / -(y)ik/ -(y)ük
2	san/sən	-siniz/-sınız/-sunuz/-sünüz
3	-dır	-dır(lar)

@Allahverdi Verdizade: I just want to say that {{az-latin-noun-decl}} was intended to be deprecated and replaced by {{az-latin-decl-noun}}, but in fact it is still used by a number of Azerbaijani entries on nouns. —DanielWhernchend • talk 00:32, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, I'm using the latter one. Then my request applies to it. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 00:44, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! I just realized you added the predicative forms to the template! Many thanks to you. I'm sure you know that already, as this is a work in progress, but the 2 person forms are incorrect as of now. 3pl is also incorrect in the order of affixes: -dir-lər, not lər-dir. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 21:44, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Are you going to fix this? Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 13:53, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@Allahverdi Verdizade: I can't do it now because still busy as I currently more active at English Wikipedia instead, but now I will fix that declension template. —DanielWhernchend • talk 13:59, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I restored the version that was stable and correct. Whenever you've got time to apply the corrections so that predicative forms show correctly, feel free to re-add them. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 21:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Grammar of Crimean Tatar language

Hello, in Crimean Tatar language we say aşaycaq and not aşacak (its wrong in grammar), in future there needs to be an "y" after "aşa" and the k ang q letters needs to be changed (aşacak → aşaycaq). In conditional there is written aşasam but needs to be aşaycam, there needs to be an "y" after "aşa" and s needs to be changed with c (aşasam → aşaycam). In continuous is written aşaydım but needs to be aşadım, the "y" needs to be put out.

→ aşamaq

	Future
1 Sg.	aşaycaqman
2 Sg.	aşaycaqsıñ
3 Sg.	aşaycaq
1 Pl.	aşaycaqmız
2 Pl.	aşaycaqsıñız
3 Pl.	aşaycaqlar

TayfunEt. (talk) 09:18, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Please use my current talk page, because I don't use this account anymore and have moved to the new one. —Jerome Willett 09:48, 18 September 2022 (UTC)