User talk:Ikan Kekek

Hello, everybody! If you'd like to discuss anything with me, please post new topics at the bottom of the page and sign the posts with 4 tildes (the ~ key) in a row. Thanks!

Currently inactive discussions can be found at User talk:Ikan Kekek/archive. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:50, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Listing in Spanish Wikivoyage

This is only an information to you and not an instruction to act. Now DerFussi and me established the Marker and Listing templates at the Spanish Wikivoyage as they are used at the German Wikivoyage. While the implementation I added some features which are needed at the Spanish Wikivoyage. The community was helpful translating all the messages and labels. I prepared also some installation instructions considering our experiences at its installation process.

I will give some comments:

• The templates have maximum Wikidata support. This made it difficult to implement it because of the huge computing time for the retrieval of Wikidata data. I found ways to call only one Q dataset per template in most cases (not ten to thirty). So it takes about the same time as before. We tested it with Vienna and Halle (Saale). In the article of Vienna 268 Listing and 55 Marker templates are used. 216 of them get data from Wikidata. But the main cause for the computing time is the <maplink> call which takes about 40 %. I will talk with the Mediawiki programmers to find ways to reduce it.
• The wikipedia template parameter is no longer used. Please remove it or substitute it by wikidata. But there is some support for backward compatibility.
• The type template parameter differs from the original one. The former ones like see, do, etc. are no real types. They summarize institutions of the same article section but they cannot distinguish between different types within a section. We deprecated them because they are senseless for an automatized transfer to Wikidata. The new vCard/listing uses now two terms: type is now a more specified type like restaurant, cafe, church, dam, etc. but it can have values like see, do, etc. for convenience reasons, too. All types belong to a group which have the meaning of the old types like see, do, etc. You can use the group parameter to override the group affiliation which is automatically estimated. The seldomly used group parameter of the old listing templates has to be renamed to map-group.
• You need some time to translate the strings for internationalization. Maybe it takes about one week. I will make some translations into English within the next weeks to give better support to non-German communities.
• You will be surprised how many errors were made in the past. From our experience, about ten percent of all articles are erroneous. Most errors occur with names, urls, phone numbers, email addresses or wrongly written parameter names. The correction have to be mainly done manually and will take maybe several weeks.

Thanks for your interest. --RolandUnger (talk) 06:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm not so technically knowledgeable but would surely be happy to help with some tasks that will be needed when the changes to the templates are made. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Bus routes

Hi, with the Greyhound suspension still ongoing, and serious doubts as to whether they'll return, I'm thinking of going on a cleanup mission and removing Greyhound references. Articles will also be updated if/when the service returns. To save you the headache, I've registered User:162 etc. if you'd like to assign privileges. Thanks! 162.208.168.92 21:13, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

OK, sure, and by all means, go ahead. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:37, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Definitely DarrenIconic388 is the telstra guy?

Just alerting you to this. SHB2000 (talk) 03:28, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

No reason to alert me. His M.O. is to use a sock for one, maybe two edits and then register another sock. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:50, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

But does BJW, tend to have many usernames staring with Darren? SHB2000 (talk) 04:06, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Dunno. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

A barncompass for you!

	The Sysop's Barncompass
	For being the most active sysop here on Wikivoyage that I know of and as well as giving me a little more knowledge about the US. Certainly wished we had the interstate system in Australia, or at least pave all national highways. Take care and enjoy your week, --SHB2000 (talk) 07:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

You too! There's a big downside of superhighways, though: They helped nearly kill long-distance passenger rail, which is much less polluting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:24, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I like the incentive in the US to reduce carbon emissions by having an express lanes on freeways for hybrid or electric vehicles. Though I don't think I'll ever get an electric vehicle unless I move to Victoria. But I don't understand why the SA govt chooses not to pave these national highways, even though it's a major freight route. SHB2000 (talk) 07:34, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Do you know that Eisenhower had the interstates built to be able to move nuclear weapons around more quickly? It was a huge expenditure for national security reasons. The promotion of civilian vehicular traffic was a side effect. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Especially on I-40 right? But did you know two bus crashes 600km apart had led to a 700km motorway? And back to the interstate system, As Charles Kuralt said "Thanks to the Interstate Highway System, it is now possible to travel across the country from coast to coast without seeing anything." which is very true. I want more freeways but so far, our longest freeway/motorway is only 300km long :(SHB2000 (talk) 07:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I didn't know about those things. It looks like you know more about the interstate system than I do. By the way, like many New Yorkers, I don't drive. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:55, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I still haven't got my license yet. I usually go with mates or family. Shocked to see that a lot of New Yorkers don't drive though. SHB2000 (talk) 07:57, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Don't be. Especially in Manhattan, you can get nearly everywhere through some combination of subway, bus and walking. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:02, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

And in Midtown, the traffic is so bad that walking is often as fast or faster than motorized surface transportation (car or bus). Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:03, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Did Subway get it's name from being next to NY subway stations? SHB2000 (talk) 08:54, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

No, it's because they make submarine sandwiches (badly). When I get a spare few days (in hindsight I probably should have done it when I was furloughed) I want to make a "Subway" map of New York, with lines connecting all the sandwich shops. There'd probably be so many, you could make a viable train network out of it.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:02, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek:, then how do most New Yorkers get out of NYC? SHB2000 (talk) 12:22, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Like you'd probably expect: airplanes, trains, buses. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:58, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Definitely unusual for an Australian. Not to say, I prefer to fly in the US rather than drive SHB2000 (talk) 06:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Spambot account

Biordbuy.za is a spambot for https://www.bidorbuy.co.za/ SHB2000 (talk) 07:06, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

You didn't link any account, but I'll probably see it in recent changes. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:11, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

It's User:Bidorbuy.za SHB2000 (talk) 07:12, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

We normally don't preemptively block accounts unless they have offensive names or include words or expressions that make it obvious that they will vandalize. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I see. SHB2000 (talk) 09:47, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Flower Hill

Apologies for my slow response. I completely agree with what you said about the subdivision map – it's way too encyclopedic. I tried removing it but got a warning notification each time (something along the lines of how removing something that big can be considered vandalism). Should I still remove it and ignore the warning?

As far as the rest of the section goes, I feel that the rest should remain (as in the list and the new paragraph (see next sentence)). I added in a bit on why the subdivisions might be fascinating for a visitor (as many were built at different times, many have different feels and styles, and one might be shocked at how different two subdivisions look (including scenery)). I feel that it can be of interest for a visitor, in that sense. LINYperson615 (talk) 21:20, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The problem with the list of subdivisions is that it's a long list, doesn't tell the visitor where each one is, and in most cases gives them no information about what each subdivision is like and why they'd want to go there. On your question about the subdivisions map, yes, please ignore a warning and remove it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:22, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Touting guidelines

Natbill (talk) 19:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC)New user (Natbill); somewhat confused about your comments on the Chorefto / Zagora Greece page regarding touting. I sought to provide accurate, descriptive and informative information about an area of Greece that I know rather well. I am a native Chicagoan, recently of London and am definitely not engaged by any owner of the properties described. Please let me know what I have done to offend the Wiki gods. I have much more to add, but being spanked like that on my first effort is definitely not encouraging.

Hello and welcome, Natbill! Please read the guidelines at Wikivoyage:Don't tout and then ask me any specific questions you have. It may be that you copied some promotional language you read, but let's deal with specifics after you've read that page. Thanks a lot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:48, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Having read the guidelines, I believe that my reviews for the restaurants and bars in Pouri, Chorefto and Zagora were, while positive, honest and unbiased. Having visited that area many times of the past thirty years, I would consider my assessments well-informed.

I'm not sure how you got that from the guidelines, and I'd also encourage you to read Wikivoyage:Words to avoid. Let's deal with some specifics:

"Plimari is the Greek seaside restaurant ideal."

Saying that a restaurant is "ideal", still more "the ideal", suggests that it is absolutely perfect and no other restaurant (or in this case, no other Greek seaside restaurant) could possibly be better. You may think so, but you probably haven't been to every restaurant in that category, so give the restaurant due praise but dial it down a bit, or describe rather than using this superlative.

"It sits in splendid isolation in front of the sea-worn rocks of Analipsi beach"

Unnecessarily purple prose. Just say it's isolated, or maybe "secluded" is the tone you're looking for.

"Well cooked seafood and complex stews are the specialties of this Pilion treasure."

It's not enough to describe the cuisine and say it's a nice place, it has to be a treasure?

User:Ground Zero and I combined to produce this detouted version of listings you added and one other listing. Let us know if you have any further questions. You may think this stuff is unimportant, but a lot of business owners and publicists have used exactly this kind of language, and the volunteer editors of this site long ago decided that we don't want to use that tone as part of our house style or encourage people to quote such language, which tends to make listings sound like hype instead of reliable opinions of other travelers. Thanks a lot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:44, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Ukraine

Just so you know, I do not watch RT, and did not get that from the Russian media. That claim was mentioned in this segment by an American progressive YouTuber, so make of it what you will. Nobody is saying that the Russians are not imperialists, or that they are right and America is wrong, but let's put it this way. Nobody comes out of a geopolitical contest a saint. In the world of geopolitics, everyone plays dirty, and benevolent great powers have never existed in the history of the world. The dog2 (talk) 20:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Some so-called progressives are pro-Putin. But it's the Russian line. The Ukrainian government is not Nazi although some Ukrainian nationalists are, and Putin supports Nazis and fascists all over the place. But this is all irrelevant to Wikivoyage and you know it. Drop it, eh? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:11, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Filter

Is there any point of there being a filter stopping people from typing AC's name? They only ever refer to themselves as AC, and whenever I type their name, it just triggers the filter (I triggered it at least seven times by accident). If AC themself never triggers this filter, then what's the point of having it? 82.3.185.12 17:43, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

• you seem too preoccupied about this user, perchance could you be related to him in any way? or even be him in another disguise? Just wondering. Ibaman (talk) 17:55, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ibaman: No, I am not this user. The only reason I edited his talk page was because lots of other people were, and I kept seeing it on lots of people's contribution pages. The reason I asked this question was because I kept accidentally triggering the filter. 82.3.185.12 18:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

It seems the filter isn't stopping anybody else – there is little reason for new users to type that name. It might be a nuisance for you, but even you has been caught by it just at a few occasions over the last few weeks. Do you think it is a big problem? –LPfi (talk) 19:18, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@LPfi: Not really. 82.3.185.12 04:58, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

So stop fooling around with this. You've engendered suspicion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:27, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay. 82.3.185.12 05:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Image

• Sorry, I'm just so used to editing in Simple English (simple.wikipedia.org) , cause I am from the Simple English Wikipedia! Thanks for catching that --つがる (talk) 02:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Sure thing! Thank you for making the edits! Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Opinion requested in Talk:Jervis Bay

Hi there, your opinion is requested in Talk:Jervis Bay. I've proposed a major change and if done, this is fairly significant and will disrupt a number of articles. Thanks and take care, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

PP my archive and slang archive page for a week?

Hi there, could you protect these two pages for me for a week? It's been a heavy target for GRP and I'm exhausted reverting his edits cross-wiki. Don't PP my talk page though as GF IP users have good reason to post on my talk page (e.g. User:82.3.185.12) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Done.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

 :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@ThunderingTyphoons!: - can you make it template editor. We've had a few cases of GRP having auto confirmed accounts. And I'm a template editor myself. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@ThunderingTyphoons!: Sorry for bugging you but can you also protect my userpage to template editor and admins only as well? It's also a target for GRP SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Notice of missing articles for states in Nigeria

Ikan Kekek, I recently noticed that the standard article category for Nigeria is Region>>>Cities, it should be Region>>state>>Cities, for example, Ibadan is under the southwestern Nigeria region, I feel there's an omission for states in Nigeria. I am saying Ibadan should be under Oyo-state, not directly under Southwestern Nigeria. I noticed the California article exist, and California is a state in the US. Also, the article about Lagos should be a stand-alone article called Lagos State (very debatable). States in each Nigerian region should have articles of their own.Haylad (talk) 09:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Please start a thread about this at Talk:Nigeria, but keep in mind that for there to be articles about every Nigerian state, there needs to be enough content. On the face of it, it seems sensible to have an article for each state, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:01, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Each of the Nigeria region articles has only a few articles linked to it. What would benefit travellers would be to create articles for cities and towns they might visit. When a region gets enough articles about cities and towns, then it would make sense to create state articles. As a travel guide, the political boundaries really do not matter to us as much as what is best for travellers. I think creating state articles would be putting the cart before the horse. Ground Zero (talk) 19:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind that I added a crucial "not" to your post. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:51, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

On the french wikivoyage, we have Australian towns, states but not LGAs or regions. Since I'm only beginning to do some stuff there, there's not a current need for it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry, LG-whats? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:26, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Local Government Areas. Similar to US counties. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Ikan Kekek, I have moved the conversation to Talk:Nigeria, I believe there is enough content about Nigerian states @ Ground Zero, we just need more persons to create them, travellers will be moving from one state to another, I feel they should be aware of the states they are in. Haylad (talk) 10:11, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

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As far as I know, there's no other editor from Nigeria. Perhaps try reaching out to Wikiproject:Nigeria on enwiki. I did the same on enwiki but to Wikiproject:Tasmania. Had to wait a while, but then JTdale came along here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

There's a bunch of Nigerians setting up an expedition (I assume that's still going ahead) - see top of the pub.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah yes, forgot about that. Didn't really interest me so I just ignored it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

We don't have an article on every county in the U.S., only in certain states. If there will be enough content (say, at least 5 non-stubby city articles) for each Nigerian state, go ahead and create articles for each state, but I kind of agree that it would make more sense to create the bottom-level articles (cities, parks, etc.) and then create the state articles when they are needed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

LGA's are a lot bigger than counties. And we only do it for the major ones like Sapphire Coast SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 02:01, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Size is not the only consideration, of course. How many of them have significant population? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

40k is nothing compared to the US but is big in Australian terms. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 02:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

But might not necessitate a region article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:15, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

About the external links

The issue here is the guy who added the external link that I reverted is someone with a history of flooding Special:RecentChanges with links, and at enough speed it's difficult to tell when their additions are good or not. I haven't removed the ones that are clearly correcting broken links or the like, but I'm not sure if this is behaviour that should be encouraged, because it makes it really difficult for recent changes patrollers to get a handle on what's going on and can cover up spam/vandalism by flooding it. The user in question had made an account and promised to taken more care with links, but he's not using the account, and he's doing so at the same high RC-flooding speeds. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 23:47, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Which of the links they're adding are not for legitimate official or quasi-official tourism agencies? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion requests

Please handle it when you can: Category:Speedy_deletion_candidates, some of them have been lying around for quite a while. Leaderboard (talk) 07:02, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Done except for one I'm not sure we should delete. Leaderboard, do you have the power to delete articles on this site? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:25, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

I check Speedy deletion requests at least once a week, and usually every couple of days, so they can't have been "lying around" for that long. Pity the page doesn't show up on my watchlist.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 07:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Khambat is just one of the unnecessary redirects made by Soumya-8974. It redirected to Khambhat but there's no other name that similar to it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:31, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

No, I don't have the ability to delete pages on this site (as I am neither an admin here nor a global sysop/steward). @ThunderingTyphoons!:, some of them were like two months old. Leaderboard (talk) 07:39, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but they can't have been. I checked it last week.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 07:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate the “how to” links. Note that some of my styling was because my edits were reverted without explanation despite being accurate and up to date. I used “undo” to reinstated my changes and was then reprimanded for removing business information. So I went heavy handed and inserted information about the business(es) being closed directly into the page as it seemed whoever was reverting my edits wasn’t actually reading and comprehending the changes. (Otherwise they’d have know the information was accurate)

As for the subjective “cute baristas” and “crazy owner”, that is just silly and has no place in a respectable source of travel information. Unless that is this is a place to insert opinion and highly subjective information in which case it’s acceptable and there’s going to be plenty more where that came from.

Historys Stranglers (talk) 02:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I see. And I saw Ground Zero's remark on your talk page, so I get the background. The way to avoid edit wars is to start a thread on the talk page of the article in question. I don't mind your removing the stuff about the baristas and so forth, but this site does indeed welcome and require subjective information; the site standard is be fair, not NPOV. But of course within reason. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for making the Islip article more fair for normal people. I thought that was pretty fair already until you came in sprucing things up. I apologize if I wasted your time.--JTZegers (talk) 16:21, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

No, not at all! You did a great job by increasing the information in the article! That's always the most important thing on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@JTZegers: It is looking better, indeed. Do you have any suggestions for pictures of Islip that would how the reader something of the place? Wikimedia Commons has a lot of pictures available for Islip, but I don't know what would be most representative. Ground Zero (talk) 19:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't know, man. Look on Wikimedia Commons, and whatever looks good can go. Just make sure there aren't too many images.--JTZegers (talk) 00:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

About newsletter

Hi Ikan,

Recently I sended you the latest newsletter and you undo the new section. Please can you give advice of what isn't in english? The last thing is the communique and wasn't translated yet. The proposal is in english too. Regards, --Galahad (sasageyo!)^(esvoy) 16:29, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps I misread it, but I understood that it was all about Spanish-language sites, so sure, I could read and understand the newsletter, but I felt like there wasn't much point in clicking the links in it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Due to Affcom's recommendations, the name was changed and the communique reflects that the change will not affect support for other communities. On the other hand, it indicates that we have a mailing list and that there is an open proposal regarding changes in the group -which I have just translated into English-. That would be the summary of the newsletter :-). Regards, --Galahad (sasageyo!)^(esvoy) 19:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I had my suspicions...

...but I tried to play nice in case my New York street smarts were off kilter due to the pandemic. I'm glad you intervened. Nelson Ricardo (talk) 07:31, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Sometimes, users make it obvious. Complaining about being blocked as a new user is almost always a guarantee of being some kind of non-constructive user. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:33, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Global locks requested. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:01, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

I am not able to globally lock. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:05, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about the really short reply. I reported that user to Stewards, since they're blocked on more than one wiki, and they only seem to be vandalising pages. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:07, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

OK, cool. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:15, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, how long ago was this user blocked on Commons. I went there, and they weren't blocked. Surprising. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:19, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't remember, May 30 I think? You could probably see if you look at their contributions on Commons. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:59, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Just had a look, and yes, I just realised that it's seven days now. I also don't know why this user is repeatedly just blurting "I am a bad person". tbh. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:11, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Some people are like that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:32, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Just noticed that they are locked now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Just letting you know that this user has now got another account on commons called Molly Mathatho on commons. Just a word of advice to keep a close look on this user. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:18, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:43, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

This user is back as Nale Mathatho but I've requested a global lock, and SelfieCity's blocked her. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 22:04, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I already saw what happened on this site. I follow these things when I'm online. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:07, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Curious

It is curious that no-one in the Wikivoyage has created an article for Insomnia, a place where a lot of work in this project seems to be done. Ground Zero (talk) 08:02, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

True, but what's the travel angle? ;-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:04, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

ha, I didn't even notice that there was no article for that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:07, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

I'd particularly like to see a "Get out" section. (SHB: it's 4am in Toronto and New York.) Ground Zero (talk) 08:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

I see I'm not the only one who usually is editing at night ;) (sometimes between 2300-0050, also please don't mind me using 24hr time) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:24, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Insomnia by definition fails the "Can you sleep there?"-test, so it should NOT get its own article. --Ypsilon (talk) 08:33, 11 June 2021 (UTC) , just finished lunch

Okay, so I obviously can't think properly, and I'm still feeling the effects of standing for 4.5 hrs in the cold, and during a storm, not being able to move one bit. But I meant, a subsection on Wikivoyage:Joke articles. Also, if my messages are poorly formatted, blame the fact that I've lost my voice completely, and I often write, like I'm talking. Anyway, considering it's 0600 in NYC and Toronto, hope you both take some rest soon. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:33, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, @Ground Zero, Ikan Kekek:, for that matter, I just added insomnia to Wiktionary at wikt:na:insomnia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:40, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

I was asleep before 6, thank goodness. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:06, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Furthermore, @Ground Zero:, where even is Insomnia? —The preceding comment was added by JTZegers (talk • contribs)

It's the inability to sleep, and not a real place. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:04, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Also JTZegers and Ypsilon, this entire thread is meant to me a joke, and not seriously. My addition of insomnia to the nauruan wiktionary is also meant to be a joke (but it's there permanently now). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:18, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Somebody tell Ground Zero that he's out of his mind for thinking Insomnia should be an article. I'm too busy being involved in a rather lengthy debate on Talk:Presidents of the United States.--JTZegers (talk) 20:44, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

It was a joke, because Ikan Kekek and I were both editing at 4am.... And I've never claimed to be in my right mind. 😀 Ground Zero (talk) 20:56, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Another one of those "for legal reasons that's a joke" moments. You got me on that one. Meanwhile, I was throwing The dog2 under the bus.--JTZegers (talk) 21:08, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

There's also the moments where I see User:DaGizza and I editing at 0030 or 0100. (AEST) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 22:21, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ground Zero:, at least - from what I could do, I'd add it on another language Wiktionary if I could, but only on the Nauruan at this point (that's because it's an abandoned WMF project - or that's what it feels like). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 22:26, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Haha, and make an article on How to Ruin a Party too. I bet that's what people are going to want to do in Insomnia. I'm sure everyone will hate me for that. Why? Because everyone here hates me. Travelers hate me, admins...hate me! I have what doctors call a punchable face.--JTZegers (talk) 01:23, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't hate you. I'm just pissy at times, since I've had a tiring day (possibly blame me doing parades). I do a lot of silly things as well (such as outing the details of the Abuse filter). What's it like at en.wikipedia though? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:27, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

But at the same time, I can't comment because the two projects I'm admin on, are projects that no editor here (or on en.wikipedia) contributes to. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:29, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I alienated Wikipedia by getting blocked there, but I’ll probably be back in November. I learned a lot here. Such as don’t go full Bernie Sanders on consensuses and say that the real problem is politics.—JTZegers (talk) 01:45, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

I still don't understand why you had TPA removed. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

JTZegers, criticizing you for IMO picking an unnecessary and unnecessarily vociferous fight is not the same as hating you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

I don’t either. JTZegers (talk) 02:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

When it comes to blocking, I have never revoked TPA, including with LTA's such as this one. Often, people change, and revoking TPA will only make one be more aggravated and not do the effect of a block. To be honest, these are just some of the reasons why I don't contribute to Wikipedia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 02:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Well, after I was blocked, wikivoyage was one of the things I turned to to cope.—JTZegers (talk) 02:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

What's TPA? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Talk page access. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Also correction to my above cmt, I mean either the English or French Wikipedia. I'm fine with others, if only I knew the language. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:19, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

You're right. The only one who hates me at this point is John M Wolfson.--JTZegers (talk) 00:56, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Attention Needed!

Hi Ikan Kekek,

I want to notify you that I posed a question to you, while responding to your comment on an article I recently created, seeking your suggestions and contributions on how I may improve the article. This is so that I may correct the identified issue before proceeding with more edits and that I may avoid such in future edits. And its been days that I have been waiting for your response, only to have yet receive it. However, I want to let you know that I had went through the copyleft guide, the link of which you provided, and still have some clarifications to make and questions to ask: Since the source of the particular article is from wikipedia, how may I properly cite the article and as well include the license terms link in the edit summary? Also, where could I possibly get the link to the license terms? Your contribution will be highly valued and appreciated.

Regards. Osenibabalola0 (talk) 12:21, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Simply go to the talk page and add the following {{Wikipedia|article name}} at the top. That's one way, the second way is how User:Ground Zero does it; something like this. Hope this helps. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:09, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes it helps. Thanks for that, you are appreciated. Osenibabalola0 (talk) 14:11, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

No worries mate! Glad I could help. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 14:14, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Osenibabalola0, I'm sorry I missed your reply. I'm not sure why, but I'm glad these things seem to be clarified now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:28, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

No worries! The issue had been resolved and that was what really matters. Thanks. Osenibabalola0 (talk) 16:05, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Reply

Thank you for the correction sir[#Kingaustin07 (talk) 09:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)]

Please start a new thread, as when I first read your message, it does not make sense until I checked RC. Also, you can reply from there as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:35, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

What's RC? Anyway, sure thing, Kingaustin07. Would you like to make the corrections? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Recent changes, I presume. But the less acronyms one uses, the less problems with understanding, and the less of a feel of their being an inner group. IK will hardly feel like an outsider, but Kingaustin07 might. I am often frustrated by the "reason" codes (from en-wp?) at Commons, as I have to look them up every time, instead of concentrating on the message. Those less experienced are just left in the dark. –LPfi (talk) 09:47, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

RC is just what I and most vandal hunters on the English Wikipedia call it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:41, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes: insiders with a background in a specific project. That's the problem for me on Commons, too. –LPfi (talk) 14:01, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Regarding this edit

Hi Ikan, if you're wondering why it didn't work, it's because the pagebanner only takes the following variables:

• Europe
• North America
• none

• Asia
• Middle East
• ME
• North Africa

• Caribbean

• Australia
• Oceania

• New Zealand
• NZ

• South America
• Africa

plus TT, disambg., flying, dive, itinerary or phrasebook.

Hope that helps. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. So it should read "Africa", not "North Africa", as Nigeria is not in North Africa but in West Africa. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:44, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

I think north africa just means that it's either Sub-saharan africa or Saharan Africa. The North Africa one has a little bit of Nigeria in the image, but not a lot. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:49, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

North Africa does not include any of Sub-Saharan Africa. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

True, but the North Africa pagebanner at least showed some of Nigeria. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:02, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

The pagebanner is of Casablanca. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Brendan?

I know this edit is very much like Brendan's edit, but the one thing that's lead me to questioning about this edit is when I reverted his edit, it was 00:20 in Sydney and Brendan never edits this late at night. So should I leave it like it is, or revert myself? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

It looked like a typical edit of his. You did the right thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

He's particularly more active today. Maybe because it's currently uni holidays? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Probably not worth thinking about much. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

 :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:32, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Indef protection for my talk page

With the protection coming to an end for my talk page, it might be the return of GRP, who miraculously went away after my talk page was protected, thrice. It's ending in a couple of days, but I'll be leaving to the skifields tonight for another few days, so hence the early request. There's only been one good faith IP user that has actually asked me something (82.3.185.12) and I also have a designated IP talk page so it does not disrupt the main talk page, so they're not completely cut off from leaving me messages. I still frequently check the IP talk page, and it has somewhat turned out to be a success. GRP doesn't know about it, and if he did try and vandalise he'd've missed the header because he'd be wanting to go to the bottom of the page, but if it's protected, he'd have left Wikivoyage and gone to some other WMF project (which is not good, but I believe they have some filters against him). Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure how I feel about indef protection. I've given you 3 months of protection from non-autoconfirmed users. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. There's still the User talk:SHB2000/IP talk page so communication isn't cut off. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 02:08, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

We'll talk about this more in the near future. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:48, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

 :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:05, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Piedmont

Hi, can you delete this Luchy04 edit? The abuse filter intervened and did not allow me to delete all that text. I only deleted the version that can be kept. I'm not very good at English so I ask you: keep an eye on Luchy04. He edits in wikivoyage in Italian but most of his edits are out of place and they are all copyright violation (in this case perhaps via google translate)

Have a nice day--3Pappa3 (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Done

Ikan, I can confirm that Luchy04 has also been posting copyrighted material on French Wikivoyage, so I suggest all his edits here be checked.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Considering the great length of the background info they add, it's not surprising that it's copypasta. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:19, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

So really, the surgery to their articles could've been all avoided if it were known that's it's a copyvio. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yep. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:43, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

But it's not all copyvio, which is why I said the edits should be checked out, rather than deleted immediately.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

That's more complicated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:11, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Oh yes.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:13, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Fang/imgs

I guess I suck at img files 📁, no more for me. Highjumpermsu (talk) 09:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not perceiving that; I just don't understand why you uploaded that here instead of to Commons. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Ikan, if it's causing a problem I say delete it. Apologies. Highjumpermsu (talk) 09:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Please stop deprecating yourself and jumping to drastic conclusions. Do you think the photo would be deleted if you uploaded it to Commons? If so, why? Did you take the photo? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:55, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry but I am being careful so I don't get indef blocked again. Heres the link 🔗 sorry for confusion, I just thought a image would be helpful, I guess I was wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Songthaew_3.jpg, Not my work but it's fair use? Highjumpermsu (talk) 10:11, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

indef blocked again. I looked on Special:CentralAuth/Highjumpermsu and you're not blocked on any WMF project. Have you had another account before? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

The question is why you would think this photo would be likely to be deleted on Commons. If there's no good reason to think that, it shouldn't be uploaded locally. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:29, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Can we please move on from this discussion? I'm sorry, okay? Mistake made. Highjumpermsu (talk) 19:13, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

OK, but you never answered my question, and you need to be able to engage in discussions on Wikivoyage without every question unduly upsetting you. No-one attacked you, yet you are beating yourself up and can't bear to answer my question. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:08, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Seems settled now. Any other questions ask away! Highjumpermsu (talk) 23:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Tip

If you want to rollback edits quickly but with an edit summary (similar to what you did in Eastern Europe). You should install this gadget: m:User:Xiplus/TwinkleGlobal. It's pretty useful and thought you may not be aware of it. Cheers, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:03, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

You can rollback edits without that script. Just append &summary=reason to the end. Leaderboard (talk) 12:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

How do you add that code? And the only reason I'm suggesting Twinkle is because it doesn't interfere with the rollback tool that any sysop would have. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:36, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Copy the link for rollbacking (that is, the [rollback] link) and then append that to the end. Leaderboard (talk) 15:25, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Isn't that at least as cumbersome as undoing? You'd need some shortcut automatically adding the code, turning blanks in the reason parameter into underscores (and ideally encoding any other URL special characters, unless you can avoid using them). I suppose you'd need a summary field somewhere, fetched and handled by the action connected to the rollback button. I suppose that is more or less what Twinkle does (beside other features). –LPfi (talk) 08:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I've always just found Twinkle easy to use, and hence my extreme trust in Twinkle (especially when dealing with touts). It would be nice to have a global redwarn, but that's only on the English Wikipedia for now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:47, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Vkem

I'd like for you to ask whether Vkem should really be an autopatrolled user. There's a shit ton of his edits which are copyvio's, and some are even copied directly google's page translator, which has spelling errors or makes no grammatical sense. I think I and LPfi would prefer to patrol his edits, rather than having his edits autopatrolled. Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:34, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree. I have more or less given up on him. I still think some of the edits are truly useful, while the problems are minor. I try to keep an eye on them, and at times make a bigger fix-up instead of fixing the minor errors. It seems he uses some automation, as part of the wordings are identical, and although he seems to kind of check validity of advice, it is often too general, such as linking to the railway site for timetables in a region Get around even when there is just a single train station in the region. –LPfi (talk) 10:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

To add, I'm not against his contributions at all. He's been a great contributor, but unfortunately, they've still not learnt the lesson from why their sysop tools were stripped of fi.wikipedia (on the second vote). Although the main reason was he didn't have the need for sysop tools, the latter was for copyright problems. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:14, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

No, and I was thinking "Who made Vkem an autopatroller?" I did. But in my defense, all the threads on their user talk page other than the welcome were put there after I changed their status. I will lift their autopatroller status. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Ikan :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Sure thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:55, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm glad it happened today, and not after Saturday. Otherwise, I'd have removed it without consensus (which I don't think we did with KevRobbAU) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:06, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

It would have been OK to do that with an edit summary and a post to their user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Hong Kong independence

To answer your question, there was a Hong Kong independence rally held a couple of weeks ago in London's Leicester Square, where political exiles from Hong Kong were waving colonial flags and singing God Save The Queen, and also declaring that this is the way Hong Kong should be. The National Security Law may have suppressed public expression of pro-independence or pro-colonialism sentiments, but that doesn't mean that those sentiments have gone away. If anything, it is likely to lead to more resentment against Beijing, which could in turn increase support for the independence movement or for re-colonisation by the British. In fact, a police officer was just stabbed in Hong Kong over the weekend, and the attacker (who subsequently committed suicide by stabbing himself in the heart) left a suicide note declaring his hatred for the Hong Kong police and opposition to the National Security Law. A few locals actually held a vigil for the attacker on the site of the incident, and Hong Kong independence activists on Twitter declared him a martyr. As you can see, resentment against Chinese rule is still strong. The dog2 (talk) 18:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

OK, but I'm skeptical. I remember the Tiananmen reform movement of 1989 vividly. The Chinese authorities managed to suppress that by killing thousands of people and putting a whole lot of people in prison. I wouldn't bet against their suppressing anything happening in Hong Kong. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:42, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

And just something extra recently from a HK local. The police claimed that they've foiled a bomb conspiracy by a radical HK independence organization that advocates armed opposition against the government. So perhaps real terrorist actions (not officially declared ones, but those that might place travellers under life-threatening situations) shouldn't be ruled out?廣九直通車 (talk) 05:09, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Is the feeling in Hong Kong that the allegation is likely to be true or made-up propaganda? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't know too much exactly either, and this only serves as a reminder of the local situation. Public resentment to the government, nevertheless, is still high actually.廣九直通車 (talk) 09:27, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Of course it is! You don't engender love by beating people up. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:03, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

In the initial phase of the COVID-19 pandemic, when pretty much only China was affected, some Hong Kong independence activists detonated bombs in a hospital to demand that the government completely shut the border with mainland China, but thankfully, nobody was hurt. And I saw interview with a Hong Kong independence activist in exile in America, and he said that he is trying to join the U.S. Army in the hopes that he can participate in a U.S.-led invasion of Hong Kong to kick the Chinese out and secure independence for Hong Kong. I don't have access to intelligence reports so obviously, I don't know what is true and what is propaganda, but I won't be surprised if the ongoing crackdown has made resentment levels against China so high that pro-independence Hongkongers will feel compelled to carry out terrorist attacks.

And as a side note, the propaganda goes both ways. As I previously mentioned, many pro-independence Hongkongers believe that the Opium Wars were a result of unwarranted Chinese aggression against the British, and were fought by the British to save China from a drug addiction crisis. And that was being taught in schools by some pro-independence history teachers prior to the start of the ongoing crackdown. The dog2 (talk) 19:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, you did mention that, and I find it stupefying. I'm sorry to hear if there are any Hong Kongers who think the U.S. would ever invade Hong Kong. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:01, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh well, young people are often very idealistic. Many young Taiwanese want Taiwan to declare independence right now, because they believe that America and Japan will stand up for human rights and democracy, and send their militaries to help Taiwan fight off the Chinese invasion that is sure to ensue. And as you know, Taiwan and Hong Kong are very similar in that the youths are overwhelmingly pro-independence, reject the Chinese identity and generally have positive views of colonial rule in their respective areas. The dog2 (talk) 23:49, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

I do not know that youths in Hong Kong are overwhelmingly pro-indepedence and that young people in Hong Kong and Taiwan have generally positive views of colonial rule. Ugh, Japanese imperialism! And the British were even worse, but in more recent decades, their rule was in fact benign in Hong Kong. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:02, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Chautauqua edits

Hi, Ikan. Can you explain your reasoning for this edit? I suppose it reads fine either way, though I think I'd have removed the definite article. But I was wondering if you had a particular case to make for putting "magazine" after "Smithsonian". Powers ^(talk) 21:09, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I feel like it reads better. People don't usually say "the magazine, Time" but "Time magazine". Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:55, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

You're right about Time. I think maybe "Time magazine" (or "Life magazine" for that matter) became idiomatic because just saying "Time" (or "Life") is ambiguous in speech. I don't think Smithsonian has the same problem, but like I said I guess it works either way. Would you object to removal of "the"? Powers ^(talk) 02:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

No, I'm fine with that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:26, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

WikiSP Newsletter #2 (2021-06)

WikiSP Newsletter of July 2021.

Members

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16:10, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Can someone explain what this means? "[W]e require that members of the community of each project that this project focuses on be able to join the hubs." Is there a way we could prevent people from joining the hubs if we wanted to? Do we need to do anything to make it possible for people to join the hubs? I also don't understand what we're supposed to be doing on the hubs. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:20, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

If someone wants to join the hubs, are warmly welcomed! Except if the user was blocked by the group, WMF or project, no. Not necessarily that everyone joins, but those who can serve as a voice for the projects that one can ask "hey, we want to do this, how do you think we could adapt it to the project?" After all, as the page says "provide a clear vision of a particular project, know the weak points of each project and discuss potential solutions that could benefit them [...] but may be invited to contribute their knowledge on some topics that may be unfamiliar to Wikimedia Small Projects". I hope I have answered. In any case, if you do not want this newsletter, I can withdraw you next month. --Galahad (sasageyo!)^(esvoy) 16:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Galahad. Don't withdraw me, please. Is there any current discussion that involves en.voy? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

At the moment no, project hubs will be a center for the projects: ex, if you want be the ambassador of enwikivoyage, will be included within the wikivoyage project hub. By forming this, we benefit. If we want to do positive things, let us at least know whether we can do it or not. Regards, --Galahad (sasageyo!)^(esvoy) 17:36, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

I feel it as well

Quite unrelated to Wikivoyage, but

this revision, and this revision should explain it all ;).

Plus, thanks for copyediting the Georgian cuisine article. Looking good for a FTT nom. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Sure thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Special:Diff/4249275/4249295

The original edit was on 10 June, so I think the first sentence was meant to say "As of 9 June 2021" instead of "As of 9 July 2021". But I'm not too sure, and you're more familiar with Jersey than I am. (for starters, I didn't even know a place like that existed until now) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:16, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

But if they still require masks on public transport, they haven't eliminated all restrictions, right? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:20, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

That's true. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:26, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Security Expedition?

I've noticed your edit and response on Eswatini, and I certainly feel the need to make timely updates on various articles. Do you think an expedition focusing on security situations of various destinations will be helpful to Wikivoyage? Regards.廣九直通車 (talk) 04:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, yes. I do think it's useful. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Maybe a "Stay safe" expedition, checking articles, starting at the country level and going down from there, to make sure they're as up-to-date as possible. We need to note, though, that as long as the pandemic continues, there could be very rapid changes in public health conditions almost anywhere. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

But it could work for non covid related issues. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Right, but we can't ignore those. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Posted on Pub#Proposal for Stay safe Expedition, regards.廣九直通車 (talk) 11:19, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I had my suspicions....

it seems like assuming good faith didn't work here. Oh well, now their business is blacklisted, so we don't have to worry. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

They may still come back and try to advertise some other way. I didn't assume any good faith, but I did follow normal procedures. the penalty for block-evasion is an indefinite ban, and 1 month is usually the most for an IP address (though 3 months are possible). Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:51, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Well... if the link is blacklisted, then how do they even advertise their business without links? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

You'll see sometime. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP range as well so even if they switch IP's, they're unlikely to get one outside this range. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Is this about 202.126.0.0/17? Are you aware that /17 means 2^15=32,000 addresses? I suppose the business doesn't have that many, so most of the addresses are in use by innocent people. Even if this is the shortest prefix (I didn't check), I doubt it is worth the collateral damage, especially as their URL is already blacklisted. –LPfi (talk) 08:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes I am well aware about it. But the next shortest, 202.126.0.0/18 doesn't cover these edits, so 17 is the only range option here. The last good edit by that IP range was before April, so very few will be affected. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

This is a manageable, limited touting edit war. Please unblock that IP range right away. We shouldn't take drastic steps except when they're necessary because of really destructive vandalism. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Done SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

FYI: ARR8

He'd have been inactive for two years as of Wednesday so just letting you know about his sysop and interface-admin privileges. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:20, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Also Sumone10154 hasn't edited for 2.5 years. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

This isn't personal to me. The place to bring these things up is Wikivoyage talk:User rights nominations. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:25, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't know any other 'crat here though. Your the only one that I know. But I'll bring it up there as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:53, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

You're still new here, so you are unfamiliar with this procedure. It's not done as a unilateral desysopping by a bureaucrat. Here's a list of bureaucrats on this site. Not all are very active, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the list. That's a lot more than I thought. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:15, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

w:ja:LTA:SLIME

Would 1 month be an appropriate block? If your wondering why I clicked "1 year" that's because I just wanted to click something so that user can be blocked until I nuke his pages. But anyway, thanks for deleting the first page. FYI: Most of the time, if it's the vandal who creates things in Japanese, it's probably w:ja:LTA:SLIME or their impersonators. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Sure, 1 month is fine, though I tried just deleting without comment, then seeing whether they do anything more. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

It is discrimination!!!

I think that these measures are discrimination and this the most light word that can i find, but we are not here to play with words, if you dont like this word use another, the readers and travellers will judge what is these measures, at any case i am here to inform the travellers and i will do that. User:Green Duke Italia. —The preceding comment was added by Green Duke Italia (talk • contribs)

Did you read my edit summary and Ikan's message on your talk page? It may seem like discrimination to you, but not towards others. Yes, Original research is allowed here, but personal opinions aren't. So I suggest that you take these messages more seriously. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Spam blacklist of the waytomongolia tour

I think we screwed that one up. It seems like that IP was not a tout, but simply just changed their name which resulted in their website being blacklisted because it seemed like they were removing their competitors business. LPfi found out that both websites are linked, so I guess... I don't know what to do. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:59, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Take the URL off the blacklist, unblock the accounts at issue and let them know that they can make the needed changes. And thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:05, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Also note the removal from the blacklist in the relevant thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:06, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Lock evasion account?

Day dreamer m.mac ; )

You'd think that's a lock evasion account? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:19, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Just waking up; can you give me some context, like a link to contributions? Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:04, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

OK, I see. Maybe, but as long as the user's posts are limited to their user and user talk pages, not much harm done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:10, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Doing similar things to that vandalism only account you blocked earlier this afternoon. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, similar. But what made me block that one was that it also posted to the user talk page of the locked account. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:12, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that response, there was an edit conflict and for some reason the edit conflict gadget didn't appear which caused an unusual response. Strange. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:17, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

I didn't notice anything strange. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:47, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

The original edit that I intended to publish was this:

Just waking up; can you give me some context, like a link to contributions? Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:04, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Doing similar things to that vandalism only account you blocked earlier this afternoon. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

OK, I see. Maybe, but as long as the user's posts are limited to their user and user talk pages, not much harm done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:10, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:52, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, it didn't strike me as strange. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:53, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Brendan

Looks like he switched providers from Telstra to Optus. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:24, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

OK, I wasn't checking. I just judge from the content. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:05, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

The joke of this thread was that most call him the "Telstra" or "Telstraman", but now he doesn't even use Telstra ;) Probably some news to SelfieCity as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:08, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, always funny when I see the company's branding in football games and other events, because I think of Wikivoyage. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:10, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, after all, the largest network provider in Australia, also which I use. I haven't seen it much in soccer games (but I only watch like one? per year), occasionally see it in AFL but mainly see it in rugby games. Doesn't remind me of Wikivoyage much since I've called him Brendan for a while. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:16, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Over here we use Spectrum, which is incredibly reliable, even though we get a couple thunderstorms every week. A direct lightning strike and internet is back in 5-10 minutes. When I'm in California I use Comcast, which is variable. On a good day it's faster than Spectrum, but on a bad day the internet can be down for a few hours. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:19, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

I just use AT&T when up there. In my opinion, alright, but not so great in Arizona. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Looks like he's gone back to Telstra. He was probably using a public Wi-fi then, since most public Wi-Fi's tend to use Optus (for cost reasons). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Please avoid edit summaries when dealing with that WMF banned user

Please don't use edit summaries when dealing with Ljupco. Engaging with him will only encourage him ever so more that he'll try and vandalize more. Thus, I've rev del'd your edit summary (I don't think he's aware of your edit summary yet), but please take this into consideration in the future. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

The YouTube link? I couldn't tell who put that there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:20, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for being quite harsh there. The best way to tell if it's his edit is by his edit summary in Ljupco style shouting, and the content is nonsense or just copied from somewhere else (since he can't express himself coherently). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Post codes in Germany

Given your recent removal of the post code from a listing in Berlin. I think I'd mentioned before that several streets exist more than once in Berlin (this one seems to be unique, but still) and thus and for general purposes of orientation the postcodes serve the voyager. Especially if we want to be the only website they'll need to plan their trip. Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

No problem Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:58, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Clarification for the usage of term " Mofussil Bus"

In a edit summary which you have made on 31.07.2021 on page named - " Tirunelveli", you have asked what the term "Mofussil means. "Mofussil" is a word which denotes rural (or) suburban regions which are located near(or)around the city. Hence, Mofussil bus means, a bus, which connects the rural and suburban parts to the main city. I think the term may be unfamiliar to you because, it is used in India. Also, the term have originated from Urdu language which is spoken only in Indian subcontinent. For clarification —The preceding comment was added by Vishwa Sundar (talk • contribs)

Thanks, Vishwa Sundar, I appreciate the clarification. This should be clarified in India#By bus if it is not already explained there. (Parenthetically, I signed for you - edits on talk pages are signed at the end of the edit by typing 4 tildes [~] in a row.)

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

New golden route

I was trying to make a map using the mapframe and marker template but it seemed to break and loads an error message you can see it in the get in section, could you help? Thank you! Also I feel the New golden route article fufills the criteria for a usuable itinerary could you upgrade or tell me what needs to be added (my guess would be understand is too short. -—The preceding comment was added by Tai123.123 (talk • contribs) 00:11, 6 August 2021 I fixed it, the error came from capatilizing city in type -Tai123.123

Using the format used on New South Wales National Parks, use the wikidata rather than lat and longs that we use. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

SHB2000, thanks for answering. I don't know much about the technicalities of dynamic maps. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, dynamic maps are easier to use than static maps, but that's probably just me with my technical knowledge here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm having trouble uploading the banner I made for it (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/131109_Kenrokuen_Kanazawa_Ishikawa_pref_Japan01s3.jpg/800px-131109_Kenrokuen_Kanazawa_Ishikawa_pref_Japan01s3.jpg). Tai123.123 (talk) 15:49, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

@Tai123.123:I have added it to the article. You do not need to upload it specifically to Wikivoyage. All you need to add is: 131109_Kenrokuen_Kanazawa_Ishikawa_pref_Japan01s3 (cropped).jpg

Take a look at the edit source mode when you have the chance. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:03, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Tai123.123 (talk) 16:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

210

Confirmed that it's Brendan. Seems like he thinks using an IP can get him under the radar. Also, thanks for picking up my mitsake at Talk:Indonesia. Plan to mass replace all these infoboxes and add phone numbers as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I think for articles about Indonesia, whichever form of English is used is fine, as long as it's consistent. I wouldn't want people to utterly waste time "correcting" one form of English to another. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Also to that edit on North Rhine, that isn't Brendan. It doesn't geolocate to Maroochydore. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

OK. Strange phrasing, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

This was him, although I think it may be best to rephrase that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

It's not a listing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

A1C

You might not be aware of it, but it has finally happened. Now we'll have a lot less edits from community tech bot. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I wasn't aware. Some of the other Commons users will pick up some of the slack, of course, but this is a good step. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Looks like he's trying to get his rollback right again at c:User talk:King of Hearts#Revoke rights... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I just looked at some of his block warnings "You will be blocked". What an asshole! Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

What I don't get is he's not allowed to threaten someone with those, but he's allowed to use a template (which last week he threatened to an artist uploading her own work questioning about its originality and the lack of EXIF data). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:54, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I suppose that is because the wordings are agreed on, not the "will be blocked" stuff, because that part of the topic ban was the only thing questioned, and because there was no discussion on that part. –LPfi (talk) 07:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

His block warnings were mentioned in the thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Cuaxdon - Vandalism only account

Would you think so? They were the one who created that out of scope template, and have 0% good edits? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Remember, deny recognition. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:04, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

They've got a meta userpage (a lot more fancier than mine) which is why I was asking. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:58, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

I act based on what I see on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiSP Newsletter #3 (2021-08)

WikiSP Newsletter of August 2021.

Members

Jsmura • Villalaso • Manlleus • Laura Fiorucci

Ongoing discussions

• A discussion on changes to the membership policy is underway,
• A discussion on increasing temporary seats on the Administrative Commission is underway.

Miscellaneous

• We have reached 25 members!
• Members to the Regional Committees were recently selected. Congratulations to Alexandrabello for joining the LATAM and The Caribbean Committee.
• SmallProjects starts on August 16. A synthesized version of how the project will work can be found here.

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• • • •

20:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

SLIME

FYI: Reported the IP for a global block as they're w:ja:LTA:SLIME. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:57, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:10, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Linking to official websites in other languages

Should i link to the official websites of hotels listed in stay if they are in Japanese? Thank you! Tai123.123 (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. If they have English-language sites, link to those instead, but if a Japanese-language site is all they have, definitely put that in the url tab. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:32, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

The official tourism board also has a page of places to sleep in Japanese should i link it Tai123.123 (talk) 22:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, in a templated listing for the Tourism Office in "Understand". One thing you didn't ask: Please don't delete unused fields in listing templates. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

if fax and phone number should i list both? Tai123.123 (talk) 22:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Fax has been deprecated from our templates in that you won't see the field if you click "add listing". It doesn't need to be listed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:47, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

ok, I've never used a fax in my life Tai123.123 (talk) 22:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Understood. I'm sure you've never sent a telegram, either. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes Tai123.123 (talk) 00:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

I was just making a lighthearted joke. I remember sending a telegram now and then many moons ago. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

I forgot what a telegram was until now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

It's been a long time! Did Western Union have offices in Australia? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:10, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

They still do, particularly in Melb. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:04, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Do you link Awashima can be upgraded to usable as it's about as detailed as an article about an island of 300 people can be Tai123.123 (talk) 00:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Done. It can be upgraded to guide soon, just with some brush ups with the get in and get around section, but it's really good for it's state. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! What do you feel can be improved in the get in section as i feel it is pretty complete (i understand that get around needs work though Tai123.123 (talk) 01:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps you might want to have it like two of our best rural area articles, Norfolk Island or Central Nordsjælland, but there's also one of my favourites, Kangaroo Island that you might want to use. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Tai123.123 (talk) 02:09, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Made a banner, what do you think Tai123.123 (talk) 02:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

LGTM so I replaced it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I updated Go around is there any other section that needs to be upgraded before it can get guide status Tai123.123 (talk) 05:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Important birding area

Important Birding Area is a proper name and has an agreed upon set of criteria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Important_Bird_Area Tai123.123 (talk) 04:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I divide kiso valley

Can I give tsumago, Magome and Narai individual articles and turn the kiso valley into an extra hierarchal region, I think this should happen as there is enough to list in each individual town and the kiso valley is to large to have one stay/eat/do section.

Also what should i change before updating awashima to guide Tai123.123 (talk) 02:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

If you want, but make the proposal on the article's talk page though, and the community can decide. For Awashima, I'm okay with it, but I'd wait for another person's opinion before the upgrade. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd trust your judgment on what to write an article about. I'll read the Awashima article when I have a chance. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:50, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

IP at Libya

That's Brendan. Edit looks a typical edit of his, and it geolocates to SE Qld. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I just summarily revert any edit that doesn't make sense or seems fatuous or valueless like that. It doesn't really matter to me whether you find that it's by that guy or not, and I mean this in a friendly way: it's really not worth the time to discuss it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Person in banner image

Hi Ikan, a quick question: Is it OK to have a banner for Najran that has a person visible in it? It's of a museum guard, so I figure there's no expectation of privacy, but I don't know what the policy is on these. I made another banner just in case, but it's much less badass, with no robes or swords. Travelwriter1000 (talk) 15:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, looks OK to me. The policy is at Wikivoyage:Image policy#People in photos. Basically, we don't want to use someone's personal selfies. That's not what this is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How to name articles

Like I mentioned earlier I am planning to divide the Kiso Valley and as no one as objected to my message on its talk page I will go ahead with it soon. My dilemma comes from what to name each article, the two biggest attractions in the Kiso Valley are Tsumago and Magome, both well preserved post towns though they fall into the cities of Nagiso and Nakatsugawa. As they only make up a small percentage of each city I feel it would misleading to title the articles, Nagiso and Nakatsugawa yet have all the imformation be about one small section of town. Should I ....

A. Title the Articles Nagiso and Nakatsugawa and divide See, Eat, Do and Sleep into two sections (one for the post towns, one for the more populous part

B. Title the articles Tsumago and Magome and make Seperate Nagiso and Nakatsugawa articles.

Thank you! Tai123.123 (talk) 00:00, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I think I understand correctly that Tsumago is a town in the larger city of Nagiso and Magome is a town in the larger city of Nakatsugawa. Are these cities that are more like subprefectures and contain a bunch of different towns within them, or are Tsumago and Magome more like neighborhoods in, say, Tokyo? Would there be anything to list in the larger cities that isn't contained within Tsumago or Magome? Keep in mind, there is also another solution, which is to have Nagiso and Nakatsugawa article and make Nagiso and Magome redirects to them, but the ultimate criterion is the traveller comes first - we should do whatever is most useful for people who might visit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:26, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes tsumago is in the larger city of Nagiso and Tsumago is in Nakatsugawa.

I feel Tsumago and Magome are not like neighbourhoods as access from the city centre requires travel through more rural areas (look on google streetview), yes there are attractions in Nakatsugawa/Nagiso not in Tsumago/Magome. Finally both lonely planet and japan guide list Tsumago and Magome as their own towns Tai123.123 (talk) 00:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Also Nakatsugawa administers a large area (676.45 km² /261.18 sq mi) and Nagiso does also (215.93 km² (83.37 sq mi)) Tai123.123 (talk) 00:46, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd say make separate articles however it seems most reasonable to do so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiSP Annual Plan

Hi @Ikan Kekek, I'd like to invite you to propose your ideas for the next annual plan of the group; next year we want to support non-Spanish speaking projects and it would be excellent if you could participate in its structure. Regards, Galahad (sasageyo!)^(esvoy) 02:58, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hola, Galahad! I'd like to throw this open to anyone reading to suggest a project. Galahad, please remind me what projects you all worked on. I'm unsure what is possible. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:01, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Last year we landed the Spanish Wikivoyage contest, on february the Wikivoyage + Wikinews contest, on july Spanish Wikivoyage edit-a-thon, august an investigation of spanish small projects and on october we'll land an conversatorium about small projects. Whenever you are ready, please put your ideas on subpage on wikisp. Regards, Galahad (sasageyo!)^(esvoy) 02:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

An edit-a-thon on one or more Spanish-speaking countries might be a very good idea. We can discuss this in the pub and get back to you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Currently Ground Zero is working on Mexican articles, but an edit-a-thon would definitely help the long neglected articles (a lot of them are particularly Latin American countries minus Brazil). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:07, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I am working on Mexico articles by adding info from other Wikivoyages and from Wikipedia, by other editors would find info from other sources, so I don't see harm in putting forward Mexico as a project. Ground Zero (talk) 11:47, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Since I got a bunch of conflicting suggestions in the pub, I'm tempted to present them to these folks and ask for their opinions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the delay, Galahad. Where would be the best place for me to start a discussion with your colleagues, based on the feedback I got in the Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub#Edit-a-thon for one or more Spanish-speaking countries? thread? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. You can put your ideas on https://wikisp.org/wiki/Pub or subpage in your userspace. The Administrative Commission approved the contest focused on latam, so you can help us to structure better the contest. Regards, Galahad (sasageyo!)^(esvoy) 21:24, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Glad to see New Yorker and musician

I live in South Brooklyn, that why I've a lot of NYC Subway photos before covid era. I hope they are good for article. Actually it's headache to upload video in commons via some third party product. Also, in Russian WIKIpedia, I am editing spoken article, do you need the same for wikivoyage? GK tramrunner RU (talk) 01:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

That's great that you're doing spoken versions of articles! I don't believe we've done any. It might be worth discussing the idea in the Travellers' pub. Subway photos are OK to add where relevant, sure, though I don't know how many. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:38, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

It would be a good step as part of Wikiblind where not everybody who is vision impaired has access to page reading technologies. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:44, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Single-terminal airports

The discussion has now been archived, but your statement that "Single-terminal airports never get their own article on this site" raised my curiosity. Please see Beijing Daxing International Airport and "Inside Beijing’s new Daxing airport, the world’s largest single terminal". Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 01:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

There are super rare cases of that, but this looks like a tiny airport. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:54, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Nelson. That's the exception that proves the rule. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:17, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I delete stay safe

I finished editing the Tsumago-Magome trail article and the stay safe section is empty, can i delete stay safe as there are no safety concerns (its a short hike in a very safe nation). The region template article says it can be omitted however itinerary template doesn't say this. Tai123.123 (talk) 04:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Not really advised. If you can't find any issues, try to nitpick on the smallest of the smallest (like issues with storms) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:30, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

ok, I mention the weather and bears in prepare, should i repeat that info in Stay Safe Tai123.123 (talk) 04:42, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

If it's a concern, then yeah, mention it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Bello

Without revealing too much details openly, it seems they were triggering EF12 when trying to make an edit to Hausa phrasebook. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:12, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

OK, I don't really see why, but I guess it's an interlingual bug. Thanks for explaining. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:45, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh no, I think I see the problem. That really needs to be remedied. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:47, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Yep. Although I don't want to be the one who takes unilateral action. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I am trying to check, took one action right away. –LPfi (talk) 11:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Giving up. –LPfi (talk) 12:28, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I've tried to analyse into seeing what went wrong with the filter, and I can't really see any reason why EF12 is preventing the edit. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:43, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I think it's a scunthorpe problem, with "assalamu" being treated as an obscenity. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:05, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Assam is treated the same, as I mentioned there. But there are too many problems of the same type to just have that one expression fixed. –LPfi (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Stub phrasebooks

Do they usually get listed at Phrasebooks or do they need to be an outline to be listed there? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:56, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think there's an established practice, but it makes sense to me to list a stub there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:58, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I modified {{phrasebook-status}} so it can accomodate stubs too, but you'd think it needs a mention at the top of the page (there's already one for outline, usable and so on)? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:03, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm going to try sleeping more after I finish posting a message in the pub. I fully trust your judgment on this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:13, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Waypoints for walks...

The links to waypoint files were added to London on foot, after I asked about waypoints on the original topic's authors user talk page.

If Google can't be used for these fair enough (It is a proprietary platform, and I'd have strong reservations about waypoints being tied to a specfic proprietary map-platform anyway). Is there was a suitable "free" (GNU sense) replacement for these that was widely supported on mobile devices or tablets?

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:06, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Have a look at Wikivoyage:How to use dynamic maps. Whether Wikimedia/OpenStreet maps are widely supported on mobile devices or tablets, I don't know, and the entire contents of your message might be worth discussing at Wikivoyage talk:Map, where people who are much more technically savvy than I may have things to say. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:25, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	I recently pasted 500 edits and would like to give you this Barncompass to thank you for helping me learn how to edit this site and for always quickly responding to my questions on your talk page. --Tai123.123 (talk) 04:39, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Tai123.123 (talk) 04:39, 11 September 2021 (UTC) Tai123.123 (talk) 04:43, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not sure I deserve this, but I do my best to help when I have the time. Thanks for contributing so much content! Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:39, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Ikan, don't beat yourself. I'm sure you've done a great job in helping new users out (myself included). After all, you've got the highest amount of edits here (who is not a bot since Traveler100bot has more edits) and IMHO definitely deserved. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:48, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

It's overly dramatic to suggest I beat myself, hahaha. But I'm glad I've helped. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:23, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh well... Hope you reach your 100000th soon though :) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:56, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm not counting and I'm a bit embarrassed that I've spent so much time on something that can never make me any money, but I usually enjoy this volunteer work. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Well... I'm quite embarrassed that out of my 20000 edits in 7 months, I too have been editing too much. But x tools says that about 10% of my edits are from that Correct typos in a click which explains it all. And for the other hand, I haven't been inside a car ever since I got adminship, because of lockdown. (yep, I've spent three months in lockdown now :() which explains why I got so much edits quickly SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:22, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh and there is a former commons admin who had a little more than 1,000,000 edits (c:User:INeverCry) although he's now WMF banned. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:23, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Hell, do anything you like to pass the time while you're in lockdown. Goodness knows, I had a lot of time to kill for most of the last year and a half! Where did that fellow have all those edits? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:24, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Well... lockdown isn't so great when you're an outdoor person. This annoys me more, given that I can't go for a walk in my nearby lake because it's 5.2 km out of my 5 km radius. I miss those days when I lived in a small rural town (which never was affected by Covid) :( At least building a travel guide gives me hope for the future. (and I hope my fourth holiday doesn't get canceled in a period of 12 months) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:41, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

They're really not letting people walk on the streets? That's stupid. Walking outside is good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:49, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

You can walk in your local streets... but I prefer the greenery (you can never be too far from greenery in Sydney. Not like Singapore, but still very green). There used to be a bushwalking trail near me although they've cut it down and they're building something there (which I have no idea about and I was never consulted about this)

If you know of the North and South Island rivalry in New Zealand (or the Singapore-KL rivalry), it's a similar thing with Sydney with North and East against South, West and Central. Except that this was taken to a political level as well. East has more cases, all the politicians live in the North, and some parts of the Center have zero cases. Yet we're put under harsher lockdowns. I sadly happen to live in the Center. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:06, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh and I should also mention that a former PM got fined for not wearing a mask. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:12, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@SHB2000 What is the reputation around Bankstown, I've been watching some aussie reality TV as of late and there is a contestant from bankstown and everyone when else reacts like it's amazing one can survive in bankstown why is this? Tai123.123 (talk) 17:32, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Bankstown has quite a terrible reputation. Some claim "it has too many eshays", otherwise there's a high amount of crime and lawbreakers there. I would never visit Bankstown alone, and to be frank, I've visited Bankstown only about three times. To why it has such a reputation? Not sure. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:17, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Is there a reason why Bankstown doesn't redirect to Sydmey/South, could i make that a redirect Tai123.123 (talk) 23:31, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry i meant south-west Tai123.123 (talk) 23:32, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

And to INC, I found this floating around... Although I think he's the only user with a million edits to be WMF banned. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:45, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek As I gave it to you I definitely think your deserving of this award, I would probably be alot less active if there wasn't such a community around this website and I feel you are kind of at the centre of the community and I'm thankful for that. Tai123.123 (talk) 17:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for being here! Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:32, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

commons

Just wondering... but why do the editors on commons get offended easily and are pretty defensive? Just asking because both of us have been taken to ANU before for such small issues. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:49, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

As we say in Yiddish, ver veis (who knows)? It's not worth worrying about. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Nothing worth worrying about....., but y'know. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:44, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Please help me in this ridiculous deletion request on commons. I'm lost for words here (the file is used on numerous pages here on Wikivoyage). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Amazing, but it looks like this is being handled. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

The nominator got blocked as vandal in five days after account creation. I believe that is how things are supposed to work. –LPfi (talk) 11:52, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Noticed then. I guess this wasn't obvious vandalism. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:02, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Any mistake can be made once by anybody, but when the number grows, you draw your conclusions. New users engaging in policing should raise an alarm, but it is not forbidden. –LPfi (talk) 12:54, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Redang Island

Is it significantly different to the rest of Terengganu? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:18, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I haven't been to Redang, but I have been to Pulau Kapas. Any island that features resorts catering largely to non-Muslim foreigners is very different from the great majority of the rest of the state, which is on the mainland. The counterpoint would be that it's the islands that most foreigners from outside Southeast Asia are drawn to, so take that for what it's worth. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Makes sense now. Thanks for the clarification :-) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:33, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

My talk page protection

If it concerns you, see Wikivoyage talk:Administrators, for my reasoning to that long protection. Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:49, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Undo

Hi Ikan, can I ask you why you did this? Thanks, Brycehughes (talk) 22:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Wait, I guess you labeled it as an undo but really just switched the parameter order? I guess you just mis-summarized then. Brycehughes (talk) 22:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I could have edited the summary. Basically, I undid your edit to keep the fields in normal order and then moved only the URL to the right place. Sorry for causing confusion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

No worries, thanks. Brycehughes (talk) 22:51, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Userpage of concern

Have a look at User:Gentenaar (I'm deliberately not linking it so I don't ping that user). Are those types of userpages allowed? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:52, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

It also seems they're disruptive on the Swedish Wikivoyage. I just tagged one of their pages for deletion. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Odd user page. It says it was imported from the other site, but it was created recently, not by import. Usually non-users should not create user pages, and this user has no contributions over here, apart from the user page. Of course, he might contribute later, and then knowing from where he comes is good. It is not too uncommon to create a user page in anticipation of contributing. –LPfi (talk) 11:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm still concerned when they created a page on sv.voy with only the letter "n" in it. I'm not sure whether WV:DENY applies here, because this seems like an odd case (being an admin on nl.WT, but vandalising on a sister project). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

LPfi, you were right to delete the "imported" template, of course. Otherwise, let's see what Genenaar does here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

They also appear to be a nl.voy crat as well, albeit only having 300 edits there. This user has got me puzzled. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:58, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Benno salahgaul IP user

Which one is it? You mentioned "You are undoubtedly the same user as the IP user, so this is your second infraction", but I'm not sure which IP you're talking about. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:16, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

User:110.138.210.73. See the history of Sukamade. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:13, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:18, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Humourous

As I understand it, "humorous" is derived from the Latin "humor", rather than the English "humour", or something like that. Ground Zero (talk) 09:43, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I thought those were the same word.

Best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:43, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Interestingly, I've also fell for the same as well. We spell "humorous" in Australia but thought "humourous" was British spelling. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

rollbacks

What were these two rollbacks about? That's not Brendan. I've known this IP user (always edits under a 144.xx IP) for some time as they contribute to a lot of Pacific language wikipedias. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:32, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

I figured it was Brendan because it doesn't make much sense to classify French, still less Spanish, as Pacific Island languages. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:17, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

I've known this IP user for some time though, and what more, this IP communicated with me meaning this IP is definitely not Brendan (there was however, another Brendan edit on Coolum though, which was just a few minutes after this IP stopped editing). I suppose French could be considered a Pacific language given that it's spoken in New Cal and French Polynesia, but I definitely agree Timor is not in the Pacific. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

If French is characterized as a regional language, the Pacific wouldn't be close to the #1 region. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:54, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

To be honest, this IP has somewhat given the idea to categorise languages into region. If a certain language is spoken in two regions, it can certainly be categorized into all of the regions on where its spoken (such as espangol or even Yiddish). The only issue with that though, is does northern Australia count as the Pacific (this isn't the outback though)? I might try and do something similar to what we do for our topics and itineraries, but would need to make an announcement in the pub first, after designing a template similar to {{PartOfTopic}} or {{PartOfItinerary}} SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Regions can't be breadcrumbed more than one place, so why can languages have more than one category? Also, why do we want them to? French is a world language. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:06, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

It's categorised into every continent its spoken in. But mainly, the reason for doing so is for organisation, as it's impossible to tell which language is spoken where by just looking at Category:Phrasebooks. It doesn't change the breadcrumb hierarchy though, only the category structure (which is not viewable to readers) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

We use categories very sparingly on Wikivoyage, more or less only for maintenance, so the category logic of Wikipedias or Commons does not apply. Usually categories here are added through the breadcrumb system. If they are to be used in other ways there should be some specific and explicit reason. Where a language is spoken should be told in the phrasebook and in the country (or region) guides; the category system is too imprecise for that purpose (and hidden to readers!). –LPfi (talk) 09:33, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Can we please delete all the geographic categories for phrasebooks now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

We actually do use categories for articles, and these incomplete phrasebook categories would fall into the example after community consensus. For example, Wine Regions of Ontario is basically categorised into Category:Topics in Canada, the same way it's categorised into Category:Alcoholic beverages. These under-construction categories work the same way. So technically French is categorised into five categories, for the five continents its spoken in + the overloaded unreadable Category:Phrasebooks.

And to "we please delete all the geographic categories for phrasebooks now", the answer is no, since it needs to go via the VFD process, unless it meets WV:CSD. While we did delete, Category:Jokes, that was pure trolling and spam so technically we were able to do it, but deleting these categories without going via the VFD process is an abuse of tools. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:54, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think everything that's unilaterally created needs to be nominated for deletion to be deleted, but fine, we'll have to have a debate about this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

WikiSP Newsletter #04 (2021-10)

WikiSP Newsletter of October 2021.

Members

Sargento de Hierro • SHB2000 • Ybsen lucero • JOAN

New election board members

Hasley • Hispano76

News on complementary policies or changes to the Foundational Text

• The electoral policy was approved; this allows the members of the group to decide the members of the different components or to choose the General Coordinator.

Ongoing discussions

• A vote to approve the Code of Conduct is in progress.
• The Administrative Commission is the most important component of the group as the substantive decisions emanate from there. Elections for the Administrative Commission have begun. The election commissioners will send a message to all those eligible to register as candidates and/or electors.

Miscellaneous

• After two years, we have finally been recognized! An announcement has been made, which is also summarized in this Spanish Wikinews article.
• Episodes one and two of SuenaWiki Reloaded, a space that allows to talk about the projects of the Wikimedia movement and free knowledge globally, can be listened to through Wikimedia Commons.

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Special:Diff/4309235 on Oceania

I removed that statement as it was confusing, but technically, there's no land border in Oceania today. There's a land border with Asia (which is the pg/id border), but that's not a land border within Oceania.

I'll keep this brief, as this is politically controversial, before the Indonesian province of Papua [chose to join]* Indonesia, it used to be part of Oceania and the entire island of New Guinea was part of Oceania. But ever since the 60s where the western half of the island [voted to join]* Indonesia, that region has become part of Asia. However, on the other hand, when Papua New Guinea gained independence from Australia, it remained as part of Oceania. (and that was the only time where Australia had a land border).

And those asterisks: Papua wasn't willing to join Indonesia, but rather both the Australian and Indonesian governments forced them to and so called it a "vote". But the majority of those who live in Papua want independence, so if Papua were to ever become independent, it'd be considered to be part of Oceania. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, yeah, I misread what the land border meant in that context. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah this history is not well known unless you're interested in SSE Asian history. A lot of people think that this area was solely controlled by the British, and its their fault for Papua having to go join Indonesia, but in actual fact it was the Australian government who forced them to. (source) It's a similar reason why so many people think that PNG and Nauru were gained independence by the British, but in actual fact it was Australia who they gained independence from. (hence why there's still detention centres in w:Manus Island and Nauru) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:49, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll remind you that I used to live in Malaysia, and I also have a longstanding interest in geography and history. I'm well aware of the sham "referendum" held in former Dutch New Guinea in 1969. However, I don't see how Indonesia's occupation of West Papua causes it to change geographical region. I guess sort of, politically, maybe. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah when I meant SSE I usually mean anything east of Java (but not including Java) which includes Timor as well. But yeah I think politically it does, although not geographically. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:31, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not really in disagreement with you, but I'm thinking that it wouldn't be farfetched for PNG to join ASEAN, and if it did, I don't think we'd have to move it to Southeast Asia. Also, East Timor is included in Southeast Asia but is not an ASEAN member. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Timor is often ambiguous whether its part of Oceania or Asia. The also the issue there is that Timor isn't fully connected, and there's a small segment of it fully surrounded by Indonesia, so it's really unusual to go from Asia and head further away from the Oceanian mainland to go to one section of Oceania. The WWF says that Timor (+ the eastern islands of Indonesia) is part of Australasia, but then Australasia doesn't include much of Polynesia and Micronesia.

Economically speaking, Timor's biggest influence is of course its neighbouring Australia (given Timor doesn't get along with Indonesia well), hence why it's sometimes considered Oceania. It's a similar reason why Oceania doesn't have a one certain Seven Summit. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Snowy Mountains Hydroelectric Scheme

Sorry for not replying earlier, as I needed to get some sleep. As far as I know, that scheme did bring a lot of migrants from the US as well, albeit not much compared to Europe though merely because the wages in the US in the 50s were still much much lower than those of Australia's (and it still is), hence why a lot of people migrated. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Got it. I think the note is phrased more clearly now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I should have wrote that note more clearly. Thanks for picking that up. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Sure thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Latin Oratorios

To my knowledge, baroque oratorios from Venice were mostly in Latin, though I could be wrong on this. Vivladi's only surviving oratorio, Juditha Triumphans, is in Latin though. The dog2 (talk) 19:43, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, but I think it's clear that a majority of oratorios are in vernacular languages. We could specify that many early oratorios are in Latin. I'll edit the text. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Deleting Pages

Do you mind when I @you to delete a page as I can't delete them as I'm not an admin, if you find them bothersome I will stop Tai123.123 (talk) 04:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Tai123.123, you can nominate pages you think should be deleted for deletion and tag them with vfd, or if the page is obviously vandalism, a test, something created by mistake etc. you can tag it with the speedy delete tag and any admin can take care of it. --Ypsilon (talk) 05:09, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

I know that I just feel I get a faster response if I @ an admin. (SHB said they're fine with it so I will continue to @ them if Ikan is bothered by it) Tai123.123 (talk) 05:13, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

I totally don't mind, but I'm not always around to help. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:14, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for not minding. I do also tag them with {{Speedy}} so other admins can see them. (Hopefully one day I will become an admin so I can delete them myself) Tai123.123 (talk) 05:22, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Ideally I would, but I've been busy IRL this week, and so I've not been as active as you may have seen me before. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:28, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Tai123.123, would you like to be a patroller? That would give you the power to rollback a series of edits. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:45, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

I made them a patroller a month ago. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, cool. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:03, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

I have also had template editor for a bit, the only extra thing that I want is the power to delete pages so I don't have to @ you guys (I feel patrollers should be able to delete pages with less than 5 edits and are younger than 24 hours) Tai123.123 (talk) 04:13, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tai123.123: Some wikis such as ruwiki or viwiki have an "eliminator" group that can do such (but they can delete all pages). Unfortunately enwikivoyage is not big of a wiki to have that sort of group yet. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

WikiSP Newsletter #05 (2021-11)

WikiSP Newsletter of November 2021.

Members

-sasha-

News on complementary policies or changes to the Foundational Text

• Six days left to sanction the Code of Conduct. If you are an active member, you can go and exercise your vote.

Tech news

• We have implemented three new instances: Limesurvey, Moodle and MediaWiki. The first will be for conducting surveys to be sent to volunteers, the second for a future educational program and the third for testing on MediaWiki.
• As you know, this group offers permanent connection to Libera.Chat through its bouncer service. Now the requests are processed via Phabricator to make it easier for volunteers to access this service.

Miscellaneous

• On October 29, we requested a general support fund so that our mission can continue uninterrupted. We hope that the Latin America and Caribbean Committee will look favorably on our proposal to support small projects.
• We need your feedback: Help us to focus our efforts to support small projects in the coming year. We want you to tell us what we can support and in what ways we should support them. The survey will run for thirty days, until December 03. The survey link is here.
• The results of the Admincom's temporary seats will be announced on November 8.
• From November 09 to 10 we will have a edit-a-thon at Wikiviajes. There we will edit as many destinations as possible.
• On November 16th we will have the Allie Awards; a virtual award in which we recognize the excellence, initiative and activism of volunteers in the Wikimedia movement. You as a volunteer can nominate who you consider deserving of such an award. You only have to ping Galahad with the name and the reason why he/she deserves to be recognized. You have the opportunity to nominate until November 8.
• On November 17th we will be supporting the friends of WikiAcción Perú and the Cámara de Comercio de San Martín in the Wikiviajes workshop on the region of San Martín. If you want to participate, you can write us through hello<at>wikisp.org.

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00:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Ikan, the survey and the Allie Awards can be of your interest. Regards, --Galahad (sasageyo!)^(esvoy) 15:49, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Question

there is special people who edit this page? 197.250.101.200 09:24, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:29, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

The question coming from the IP looks like a PA to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:35, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

What is a "PA"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:45, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Personal attack. I'm judging that on the fact that the tone of the IP's comment looks as though they were surprised or shocked. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:48, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh. Whatever, it's totally unclear. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:49, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Notice of discussion on Wikidata

Hi Ikan, if possible, could you please comment on d:Talk:Q132931, in which this is something about your (and my) actions on Wikidata about removing three deleted articles, in relation to apparently what AC calls "page deletion vandalism". Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I have nothing to add to what you said, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:28, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

But thanks for replying on DerFussi's talk page though. If he goes on like this, might go to ANU. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:16, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

That guy is really a glutton for punishment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Now he thinks I don't know anything about how deleting pages work, and I should have gone thru the long {{vfd}} process for an obvious case that's him block evading under three IPs. I'd wish that guy stopped stalking us, or may as well go to AN on Wikidata about his lack of civility. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:52, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Go ahead and nominate him for a global block. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:55, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

I can't do that, at least not yet because he needs to be indef blocked on two or more projects for that, but I believe SelfieCity already had that idea on that (see Special:Diff/4256974), but if he does get banned on Wikidata for continuous personal attacks and harassment, then... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:03, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Got it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

A teeny tiny edit request

Hi Ikan, I don't think this deserves a discussion to change, but I don't have the rights to edit MediaWiki namespace myself, so hence I am asking you: Adding a docent to an article creates the tab of the same name in the sidebar, but the perfectionist in me is bothered by the fact that that tab's heading is completely in lowercase, whereas other tabs have their first letter capitalised. I believe that you should have the right rights, so could you please edit Insider-title, capitalising the D in "docents" as to fix this? Thank you in advance.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 23:57, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Would this require you to be a template editor? If so, I'd be happy to make you one. I'm not experienced in making this kind of edit, but I could have a quick look and see if I can figure it out. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I just checked, and any user can edit that page. I'd want to see it in action to see how capitalizing it would change things, but you should feel free to just edit it as you see fit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I already am a template editor. That only gives me access to the Template namespace though. MediaWiki is yet another level above that, and I believe only bureaucrats can edit it. The page I linked is where the extension that adds docents to the sidebar sees what it should put in the sidebar's heading. It should be quite a straight-forward edit.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Are you sure you can't edit it? If you definitely can't, sure, I'll make the edit, but I'd like to know, because when I click the "Protect" tab, it's showing me that all users can edit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:04, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

It only allows me to see the source code, so I really can't edit it. That would mean that either Template editors lose their ability to edit MediaWiki namespace, or, more likely, that MediaWiki is hard-locked for bureaucrats only, since that's where some of the site's main elements are stored (logo, disclaimer, sidebar, navigation bar, et cetera).
-- Wauteurz (talk) 00:07, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

That's really weird. OK, sorry for all this discussion and I will make the edit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, and no worries about the discussion. Be as sceptical as you'd like, I consider that a good thing. -- Wauteurz (talk) 11:31, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I've edited the MediaWiki namespace before, so maybe minimum admins only? AFAIK, most MediaWiki elements that are usually json or css pages are also locked for me, but that'll need an interface admin or a global interface editor. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:45, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

[edit conflict] I suppose the protect tab only shows any page specific protection. My understanding is that the wikimedia namespace is protected across all projects, requiring admin (not bureaucrat) privileges. There are also pages that require interface editor rights, such as MediaWiki:Common.css. –LPfi (talk) 12:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Audio files

Hello Ikan, I was not aware about the media file policy enforced in en.wikivoyage. As personal opinion, I believe that this policy has a good sense in preventing useful information to be "hidden" in audio or video files and lacking in the text, on the other hand the technology has evolved a lot since wikivoyage was born and nowardays it's fairly common that someone uses wikivoyage from its smart-device rather than printing pages before leaving home, the opportunity to have a talking voice giving a summary of a stage would add flexibility and appealing to wikivoyage. Anyway, as I told, I'm not going to stand up against the policy. Best regards. Ysogo. --Ysogo (talk) 21:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Ysogo. I'd welcome your restarting discussion about this policy at Wikivoyage talk:External links if you like, as your arguments make sense and might be considered. I don't commit to taking a position one way or the other but would consider any arguments made in the thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:05, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

A quick question

Hi Ikan and The dog2

A question on Bahasa Melayu, as my knowledge of Malay is limited to a couple of words. But does the word pulu, have the same meaning as pulau? Found it in this image (on the right), but would like to double check before starting a Pulu Cocos National Park article. I've never seen "pulau" being shortened to "pulu", but maybe it's Australian Malay, but not too sure hence why I'm asking. Asking you both because you both are the only two active here who know some Malay. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:26, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I've never heard of the word "pulu", but maybe a native Malay speaker like Chongkian will know better. The dog2 (talk) 10:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

That must be a local pronunciation there. That wouldn't be surprising, and as a matter of fact, the spelling for both Rumi spellings, pulau and pulu, would have been the same in Jawi (Arabic-based script). Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:22, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I have double check locally and with some people. All of them agreed that pulu is not/never be part of the official words in Malaysia's Malay dictionary. So it looks like it is the local (official/widely used) dialect/variant of Malay language used in Coco Island of Australia. Not sure if Malay language has the official status (thus officially documented locally in their dictionary) in Coco Island or Australia. Chongkian (talk) 02:04, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Chongkian AFAIK, it probably doesn't, because even English does not have an official status in Australia (Australia has no official language) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Alcohol in Iran

Given your recent edits, you may be interested in this comment made by a guide in Iran after explaining that Armenians are allowed to have wine because it is part of their religious practice, "so every Iranian has an Armenian friend". Ground Zero (talk) 03:44, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

That's not very surprising. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Mjvdz98

re your message on User talk:Mjvdz98. It's likely the same person as Mvdz1998. Look at the similarities in usernames. One has an extra j in it and the other has an extra 19 in it and both only really edited London on foot. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:05, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

That makes sense. Doesn't really matter much in terms of my posts, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

The hat depicted in File:Tasmania banner 3.jpg

To answer your question on Talk:Tasmania#Banner, that's a classic rural Australian style hat known as the akubra hat, particularly worn by farmers and those that live in the bush (i.e. inland Australia) and South Australia (I don't know why, but The dog2 may know as they've lived in SA before). It's not widely worn on the coast, but the trend of wearing akubras is increasing. However, I have no idea whether it's worn in Tasmania or not, because simply, I've never been there. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Got it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:44, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Israeli citizenship for Jews

Doesn't Israel have a "Law of Return" or something of a similar name saying that all Jews are automatically eligible to make Aliyah? Of course, you have to meet the Orthodox definition, which means you need to either have a Jewish mother, or have undergone an Orthodox conversion, meaning that the Chinese Jews are not eligible because they recognise patrilineal instead of matrilineal descent. The dog2 (talk) 20:51, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, there is a Law of Return. It does not make non-citizen Jews citizens of Israel without their having applied for citizenship. It also does not require matrilineal descent and applies to people for whom only one grandparent was Jewish - except when it doesn't. It's not simple, but in no way does it make all Jews automatically citizens with no action on their part. Please don't make these kinds of edits based on a lack of expertise. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:17, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I remember there is a controversy because there were a bunch of Kaifeng Jews from China who made Aliyah some years back, but because they traditionally recognised patrilineal instead of matrilineal descent, the Israeli government refused to recognise them as Jews, and they had to undergo the Orthodox conversion process before they were allowed to make Aliyah. Do you know why that was the case then? The dog2 (talk) 21:47, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

The dog2, the real issue here is why you would post important information like this without checking it first. These things are easy to check online, so there isn't any reason to post misinformation. We all make mistakes from time to time, but the frequency with which you post wrong things that you could have checked concerns me. Ground Zero (talk) 21:52, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't know why Jews from Ethiopia and China have to undergo conversions, whereas Orthodox Christians from the former Soviet Union with one grandfather who was Jewish were let in under the Law of Return without any issue. Why don't you do some research to find out how Israeli domestic politics drives such inconsistencies? But don't post about it in our travel articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:05, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

"program" in Australia

From what I know "program" is the only spelling found in Australia and finding "programme" is very rare, with the exception of "programme" in proper nouns, mostly in UN programs as the UN uses UK Oxford spelling. There's a couple of other cases out there too, such as w:The Micallef P(r)ogram(me) (quite a humorous one) and sometimes the Landcare Programme (although the government uses "program"). But yeah, that IP on Melbourne was just me logged out and finding the British "programme" is almost nonexistent nowadays. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:16, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I saw your edit summary in the article in question. I reverted you only because you were logged out and I didn't see a reason to trust an IP account that made that kind of edit without an explanatory edit summary. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I've used the edit summary "spelling" quite a lot when a British and/or American spelling is used on an Australian article although I do sometimes use a full edit summary such as this one, also on that very same article or this one to Australia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

And when you're not an IP, I wouldn't second-guess your spelling edits. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:32, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

maps creations

Do you know how to create this type of maps (colorcoding)? https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Delhi#/map/0/11/28.5770/77.2133 It would be helpful if you could provide me links on how to make this 2006nishan178713 (talk) 19:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

I never learned how to make maps, sorry. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

@2006nishan178713 I'll explain it on your talk page. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:06, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding this

Guadeloupe is a French overseas territory, meaning they're technically part of the EU, and the EU mandates British English. So, the answer to your question is a yes. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia)

Officially. But what English-speaking countries normally send the most tourists there? I doubt the British Isles are as well represented there as the U.S. or Canada. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

I also remember seeing British spellings like travelling and centre when doing research to write Guadeloupe National Park. So not US spelling but it could also be Canadian spelling. (major difference is the -yze endings) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

OK. Yeah, hard to determine the difference. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:11, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Qanaaq Article

Halló, vinur! I happened too notice we both edited articles in the Great White North. Good friends, we will become. SealEater1488 (talk) 03:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, nice to meet you, and welcome! I haven't been to the Arctic (a few amazing overflights and a brief stop in Anchorage on New York - Anchorage - Seoul flight, don't count); I just copy edit lots of articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

	Merry Christmas
	This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year in advance! 2006nishan178713 (talk) 19:45, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Merry Christmas to you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas Ikan :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Same to you. I hope we have no pandemic next Christmas. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it's the very first Christmas where I'm alone rather than visiting family and friends or out camping. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

It's the second Christmas in a row when I have no gigs. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:28, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

I am in my home as well. Last year I went out camping but this time there are no plans. Will visit the church in the evening.
FACT: Cooch Behar has only one church. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 05:39, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Guess I'm not alone then. Usually most people don't go to church here for Christmas as most Australians are irreligious (including myself) or claim they follow a religion but never actually follow the religion. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:52, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Here in India, most of the people visit the church as it is just a tradition to go there. People irrespective of their religion visit the church during Christmas. I am not a Christian but I enjoy Christmas as most of the people do. It's always fun and joy during Christmas. :) 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:05, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I was once in Kerala during Christmas, and I was quite surprised that the churches were full because I'd never seen that many go to church during Christmas in Australia (even those who are Christians). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

It must be fun. I'll be online in a few hours. I need to complete my assignments. Bye!😁 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:21, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

My girlfriend will go to church, as her church is still having Mass, but many churches are not, and I normally go to church only to hear or play a concert, except now and then when my girlfriend's choir is singing a mass I particularly want to hear. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:08, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Have Fun!! 2006nishan178713 (talk) 08:12, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I hope you do. I expect the day to pass quietly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:15, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy Chinese Food Day to you. Ground Zero (talk) 19:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Hah! Eating Chinese food is an everyday thing for me. Today, I have leftovers from roast chicken legs and cauliflower/mushrooms-and-cheese I cooked last night. Merry Christmas to you and your husband! Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:08, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

The word "Eskimo"

Could you plese consider removing the word "Eskimo" from all non-American articles? I find that word to be very offensive. Artic natives perfer to be called "First Nations," "Inuit," or "Yupik" depending on how far north they are. SealEater1488 (talk) 05:09, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

@SealEater1488 Not Ikan here, but I'll make sure to do that when I come across this. You might also want to see a thread started by @Ground Zero: in Wikivoyage talk:Canada Expedition#Indigenous people, Aboriginals, First Nations people, Natives, Indians, Inuit, Eskimoes and Metis which seems to be what we use on this site although it's not always followed. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:13, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

SealEater1488, please keep in mind that this is a site that anyone can edit, so if you see any offensive words, please remove or substitute appropriately for them, except in "Respect" sections of relevant articles, where people should be told not to use the word. I can certainly remove the word, too, if I see it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

My User Page

Can you ad this picture to my page banner? I trid, but it doesn't work. Warm regards, SealEater1488 (talk) 05:21, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

@SealEater1488 Done SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Not to make any assumptions here, but I noticed the username on RC and...have some questions. Our username policy is pretty open, but "1488" and "seal eater" in the context of Native Canadians can both be interpreted fairly inappropriately. I'm pretty lax on usernames, but this made me raise an eyebrow. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 06:04, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Removing the word "extermination" from Auschwitz-Birkenau made me raise an eyebrow too. —Granger (talk · contribs) 08:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Didn't realize that edit. Ok, so maybe I shouldn't have been too nice. Had no idea what 1488 meant earlier but... --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:28, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

OK, let's not wait any longer. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Indefblocked. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:35, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I've speedy archived a thread started by SealEater1488 on my talk to prevent it being a target if the user comes back with future sockpuppets. You might also want to do the same as well. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:47, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Targets of sockpuppets are useful, aren't they? I won't say why, but give that some thought. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:50, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I can see why. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:58, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Tesleemah and copyvios

I blocked them for 31 hours to get them to read and respond to your messages given to them. I would ideally unblock them once they've confirmed they won't do it again, but I'm travelling overseas to the US tomorrow so I won't be able to do it. Just asking on whether you can unblock them once they've confirmed they won't do it again. Thanks :) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Sure, whenever I see the message. Travel safe! Where are you visiting during our omicron surge? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:12, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I'm visiting L.A. to visit family that I haven't seen in years. I probably picked a bad timing, but... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:15, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I owe my cousin in Venice, CA a visit but won't be going this January. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:17, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Nevertheless, it's nice to see everything open up, making it one step closer to normal life. My friend got to finally see their parents last week after two years of disruptions to the state borders in Q. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

You may get to see a whole lot of stuff close down. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Looks like Tesleemah left us... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

How do you know? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:39, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

That seemed to be their last edit for some time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 19:11, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

It's always possible for users to come back later. I hope Tesleemah does. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:47, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Thumbnail

Hi @Ikan Kekek: I would be glad if you put me through how to - "add thumbnails, not full-sized photos, and type meaningful captions, not filenames" - images while uploading them to Wikivoyage article. Atibrarian (talk) 07:22, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

If you click on the diff (here or where you saw the edit comment), you see that IK added "|thumb" after the filename, which makes the file a thumbnail, an image of smaller size. Also, you used the filenames as such as captions, while IK edited them to correct case, removed digits etc. You could improve it just looking at the image, such as "Ososo Carnival" → "At the Ososo carnival" or "View of Ososo" → "The Ososo hills". If you know something about the thing the image is depicting (or the description at the file page is good) you could make them more informative, like "A group dressed for the ima uhu dance at the carnival". –LPfi (talk) 10:23, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Ikotun - Egbe Terminal

I still don't get why you deleted the Ikotun - Egbe Terminal I created...it was supposed to be an article on wikivoyage as I was directed.

It's on the list of articles to be edited and I tried doing that.

Maybe the article was poor but I wanted to keep on editing it with more edits.

Kindly provide reasons for the deletion.

JadePhenom (talk) 06:58, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Can you explain what I did wrong that warranted the deletion of my wikivoyage page on Ikotun-Egbe Terminal. I saw it as an article that needed creation on the main page before I created the article and I still wanted to make more edits on it before it was deleted. So what's the reason?

JadePhenom (talk) 07:21, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Sure. Please read Wikivoyage:What is an article#What does not get its own article?. A bus terminal gets listed in the article for the city where it's located. It does not get its own article. Thanks very much, and please let me know if you have any other questions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:43, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

How we will see unregistered users

Hi!

You get this message because you are an admin on a Wikimedia wiki.

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Instead of the IP we will show a masked identity. You as an admin will still be able to access the IP. There will also be a new user right for those who need to see the full IPs of unregistered users to fight vandalism, harassment and spam without being admins. Patrollers will also see part of the IP even without this user right. We are also working on better tools to help.

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Thank you. /Johan (WMF)

18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Is this good?

Is my edit here OK??? Please do not block me. 96.18.219.55 17:18, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh,and my user page is a phrasebook/sandbox.96.18.219.55 17:21, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

anons aren't supposed to have userpages. Please create an account. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 19:12, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

IP users have userpages. Your edit is OK to me except that those were racist incidents. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

How about an RfA on the English Wikipedia?? 96.18.219.55 21:11, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

A what? Anyway, I edit only occasionally on Wikipedia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:18, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

You deleted my user sub-page

My user sub-page is gone!!96.18.219.55 23:29, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

That's the one you wanted deleted, right? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

A Question.

Can i withdraw Vfd noms? 96.18.219.55 17:09, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Post in the relevant threads that you want to, and let others decide what to do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Zoo or botanical gardens

Can we write articles about zoo, botanical gardens, museums? Or, do we need to merge them into a certain nearest related article? Haoreima (talk) 11:13, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

See Wikivoyage:What is an article?:

• Museums, statues or other works or institutions of art. World famous institutions like the British Museum, the Louvre or the Smithsonian can have redirects, but most museums should not.

The same goes for zoos and botanical gardens. We commonly refer to the "sleep test": an institution where visitors do not regularly sleep should not have an article (and neither should hotels).

If the institution is complex and interesting enough, we often make a subheading for it, last in the relevant section (such as See in these cases). In most cases, what you'd write about it is more suitable in Wikipedia, and we do include Wikipedia links in the listings (usually using the wikidata= parameter). Those who want to know more about the institution can follow the link and read the Wikipedia article.

For a very special place, say the Louvre or British Museum, one could write a travel topic article. Mostly the listing is enough, or a few paragraphs as a subsection.

–LPfi (talk) 17:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Unusual writing systems

[heading added by LPfi]

@Ikan Kekek, LPfi: Please import Module:If_empty from English wikipedia. We need that module for some templates. We need those templates because in some phrasebooks, non Latin scripts are used, which some people don't see in their computer screens! Haoreima (talk) 04:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Please make a proposal somewhere. Wikivoyage talk:Template index seems like the most appropriate place, and you could link it in the Travellers' pub. And you should be the one to import the template if it's approved. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:29, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

You seem to be creating non-working templates. Please don't do that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:30, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh it's actually because of those non working templates, I was requesting you! The module was necessary to make them working! :-) :-) Haoreima (talk) 05:38, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

How can I import anything even the template is approved for import? I am neither an admin nor an importer! I don't hold any rights here in wikivoyage! Haoreima (talk) 05:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, I don't know the ins and outs of that, having never imported anything between Wikis. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Done Requested at the right place you suggested me! Now, please import! :-) Haoreima (talk) 05:40, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

As prompted by User talk:Haoreima#Illegible notation:

The "gibberish" you are seeing is probably the Unicode code points (in hexadecimal) of the characters in question, as you lack the font for showing them. You shouldn't need any add-on programs, but Microsoft might distribute the fonts in language packs. which might be easier to install than the fonts on their own (and I don't know whether you need some extra modules to use writing systems with combining symbols). Having to install a suitable font for viewing a strange alphabet or writing system is not, I think, anything odd, although with modern storage capacity, distributing fonts for anything included in the current version of Unicode with the operating system is probably feasible. In this case, it might have taken some time to get the system included in Unicode and adding support (constructing a font that works well with the other ones in the system), so needing an update is not too far-fetched.

That said, yes to serve the travellers we need to give good instructions. This is a general problem: how do you add support for an alphabet or writing system not supported on your device out of the box. Last time I looked at it, quite some time ago, I tried to add support for Elvish (Sindarin, I think), and the instructions were quite convoluted or confusing. This should be a standard procedure, but did not seem to be one for end users (easy for out-of-the-box-supported ones, but not for third-party ones – the instructions were developer-level). I hope the situation has improved, and for most writing systems I hope it suffices to point out a suitable language pack or font, and give instructions for installing and taking into use such packages.

–LPfi (talk) 14:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Sindelfingen "usable"?

As you know I am not a long time user and I am not sure as how this assessment draws the line. I just wonder if it now qualifies as "guide". I think all the basic requirements are met.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 14:51, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

The relation to Böblingen should be sorted out. Linking it as the first word seems awkward. It looks like the article was written on both of them, but Böblingen then created, creating confusion in the hierarchy. Either merge them or have them as separate entities.

One-liners should be added in the Go next. Otherwise it seems Sindelfingen has the general overview, clear get in and around instructions, different choices and information required for guide, and I don't see any other issues, but I just took a quick look.

–LPfi (talk) 16:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

(As not too seasoned, you might not want to solve the Sindelfingen/Böblingen issue by yourself, but it needs to be solved.) –LPfi (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

The part of Böblingen might be in part a copy, when it comes to public transport, road traffic and suggestions where to go to in the area. So I already had in mind to reuse it in part, but on the other hand there is at least as much to say about Böblingen as is to Sindelfingen, probably more. Böblingen has a US military base and Motorworld Region Stuttgart which is also very interesting, different artists, different partner towns, other museums, different events and festivals, other businesses of importance. Böblingen is also Landkreis and this means that it is important over a bigger area than just the city. The city has 50.000, the Landkreis has a 300.000 population. But as you can imagine the last months were not very inviting to do research on hotels, bars and restaurants. I expect that we will see a major restructuring and even during last months some of those went out of business or have new ownership. So there is a long time plan to upgrade Böblingen as well when things have settled. I already have Wikidata items for most of the things of importance and lots of photos to choose from. Some redundancy is unavoidable, but I don´t think it is much of a problem and as soon as Böblingen is upgraded, some parts of Sindelfingen can be cut back. On the other hand, there is enough differences that grant two different articles. And I don´t think it would be wise to have three articles at the moment.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 18:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Giftzwerg 88, I would defer to your judgment unless anyone else familiar with the two cities makes counterarguments that seem compelling. LPfi, thanks for having a look at the article and offering an evaluation. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you seem to have it under control. And IK: my pleasure. –LPfi (talk) 20:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Untitled

2A00:23C8:8E90:AE00:B1F5:369F:69D0:1144 is back under the IP 86.169.245.119, who per the duck test is the same user and both are disruptively edit warring and changing things to their preferred version of the article and I've given up assuming good faith. I was wondering if whether a block is needed (if it is, I'll do 2A00:23C8:8E90:AE00:B1F5:369F:69D0:1144 as I have nothing to do with this IP while can you do 86.169.245.119 as you have nothing to do with that IP.) If possible, can you also protect the pages as well? Thanks, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:14, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

They are the same user! Which I noted on a discussion page (note having different connections is not sockpuppetry)

Also, removing the false information (supported by multiple references) and incorrectly spelled content from SHB2000 is not disruptive. It seems SHB2000 'preferred version of the article' is one with demonstrable incorrect information and incorrect spellings. Also, their comments have been just about the user and not the content.

Yes, please block. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:30, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

For what reason?

Edit warring and trolling, the usual. And I made the block. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:34, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I've blocked the IPv6 and restored the last version pre-IP. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:39, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I did some rollbacks, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:47, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Should the pages be protected? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:52, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Grace789

It seems she still does what you and GZ told her not to do, at least, that's what's just happened on Isuofia after she said "noted". Unlike the previous listings or the airport issues, they even inserted a banner which is not in that town. Is there anyway we can get them to stop doing that while getting them to still edit? I don't want to fail again like what I did with Tesleemah who has likely left us at this point in time. (cc @Ground Zero:). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:05, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on online psychology, so how would I know? Give her a warning and then block if necessary; what other alternative is there, unless you want to just closely supervise her edits and leave it at that? I'll defer to you on this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I'd give her some latitude, based on the latest exchange on her user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello, Ikan Kekek. I have come to your talk page with an urgent request. An account named Tokyo is a jerk is reprinting the lyrics. Please block it. --Tmv (talk) 09:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Blocked. Thank you very much for helping out! Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

small problem

solved, after a long time - please ignore off wiki message, have solved the inner workings of the SUL failure, after a stroke of sheer whatever... trust all is well, back regularly soon... JarrahTree (talk) 01:10, 7 February 2022 (UTC)